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Tweaked Troubles amnesty plan met with opposition

Under UK Government proposals, immunity for Troubles-related crime will depend on co-operation with an information retrieval body.

A MOVE TO tweak a plan to offer an effective amnesty for Troubles-related crime has been met with opposition.

There was outrage last year when the UK Government unveiled proposals to offer an effective amnesty for Troubles offences.

The Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill appears to have been tweaked in response to the almost universal opposition to the original proposals.

It is described as being aimed at providing better outcomes for victims, survivors and veterans.

However, both Sinn Féin and the DUP as well as victims’ groups have expressed opposition.

Details outlined following the Queen’s Speech revealed the focus remains on ending what the Government terms the “cycle of investigations that has failed both victims and veterans”.

However, immunity for individuals is proposed to depend on their co-operation with a new Independent Commission for Reconciliation and Information Recovery.

The new body aims to help individuals and family members to seek and receive information about Troubles-related deaths and serious injuries.

It is also designed to produce an historical record of what is known in relation to every death that occurred during the Troubles.

The UK Government described having “listened carefully” to responses to the original proposals.

As a result, it says a model where immunity is “only provided to individuals who cooperate with the new commission provides the best route to give victims and their families the answers they have sought for years as well as giving our veterans the certainty they deserve”.

The tweaked proposals leave open the route of prosecution if individuals are not deemed to have earned their immunity.

The Bill is to extend and apply in the main across the UK, with some provisions extending and applying to Northern Ireland only.

More than 3,500 people were killed during the Troubles, including over 1,000 members of the security forces.

Most of the deaths are attributed to republican paramilitaries while 30% are blamed on loyalist paramilitaries, and 10% attributed to the security forces.

The current legacy workload for the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) is more than 900 cases involving 1,200 deaths.

The UK Government indicated that using limited resources to pursue a small number of cases to prosecution means only a tiny number of families stand even a chance of seeing someone prosecuted over the death of their loved one.

British Secretary of State Brandon Lewis described it as an “improved approach” to addressing legacy, adding: “The Government is confident that forthcoming legislation will better support those most impacted by the Troubles.”

However, Sinn Féin’s Stormont leader Michelle O’Neill said it is not the way to deal with the past.

“We must deal with the past so we don’t burden today’s generation with that, we must deal with the past to give people the closure they need, and I am very certain the way to do that is not to give impunity and immunity to British serving forces here,” she said.

I am very certain we need a proper way to deal with the past that gives people what they need and the British Government approach I am quite sure will not reflect what is needed here.

DUP leader Jeffrey Donaldson said some innocent victims have waited decades for the opportunity to have justice, adding: “They have the right to pursue that.”

“We will judge what the Government proposes against whether the opportunity for justice still remains,” he told reporters in London.

“We haven’t seen the detail of what the Government is proposing so I can’t comment on that until we see it, but we have very clear principles in terms of how we deal with the legacy of the past.

“We must not allow a situation to develop where people are able to rewrite the narrative which suggests that the terrorists who committed terrible atrocities across the board are somehow either exonerated or can walk away.

“That is not what I think the people of Northern Ireland want. They want truth, but they also want justice.”

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said he welcomed the “abandonment of plans for a blanket amnesty”.

He told RTÉ radio: “These are new proposals. I think it’s very important that the British Government should now engage with us and, in particular, engage with the parties in Northern Ireland and the victims’ groups.”

Amnesty International described the Government proposals as a “sinister denial of rights”.

Grainne Teggart, campaigns manager, said the proposals also “dismiss victims’ strong objections and are a worrying interference in the rule of law”.

“No-one is fooled by the UK Government’s attempt to dress this up as anything other than a process designed to block victims from ever getting justice. Once again, victims are being shamefully let down,” she said.

“The right thing for Government to do is clear – deliver a comprehensive and human rights-compliant way to deal with the past. If they don’t, Parliament must reject this.

It is unacceptable that families, whose suffering extends over many decades, are faced with Government legislation which would put perpetrators of crimes – both state and non-state – above the law and beyond accountability.

Michael O’Hare, whose 12-year-old sister Majella was shot dead by a British Army soldier in 1976, is being supported by Amnesty in seeking an independent investigation into his sister’s death.

“My family has fought for decades for truth and justice. Anything less than full vindication of our rights is a painful and devastating betrayal to us and all victims who have fought long and hard for their loved ones,” he said.

“The UK Parliament must stand with victims and send a clear message that the rule of law applies to all. We will not accept our paths to justice ever being so cruelly blocked. No-one is above the law.”

Victims’ groups, including Relatives for Justice and the Truth and Justice Movement, have also expressed dismay at the proposals.

The Prime Minister’s official spokesman insisted the Government’s approach struck the right balance.

“We have listened to not just the parties but the victims’ sector, veterans, individuals, organisations from across civil society,” the spokesman said.

“The previous approach was not working. We believe that this will help with effective information recovery which provides answers for families and delivers on our commitments for Northern Ireland.”

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    Mute Rónán O'Suilleabháin
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:42 AM

    Interesting ploy. Look at the detail in his conditions.

    We’ll sell the 29% stake to any *EU* airline, subject to approval from a *majority* of Aer Lingus shareholders.
    - So he won’t sell to Etihad, long through to be a potential suitor for Aer Lingus
    - He won’t sell a partial stake or reduce their shareholding
    - The majority vote likely requires the Irish government to get involved.

    What EU airline is going to buy a stake in Aer Lingus? I doubt the other budget players have the cash (or willing), and half the national flag carriers are broke.

    This is posturing, not putting the Aer Lingus stake up for sale.

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    Mute mattoid
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:44 AM

    Nail on the head Ronan

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    Mute Paul Starrs
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:24 AM

    its Eu competition law eitihad arent from the eu!

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:24 AM

    You forgot to mention… We will sell Aer Lingus to any EU airline*

    *and then attempt to takeover that airline and get our grubby hands on both out of Irish jurisdiction.

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    Mute mattoid
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:35 AM

    @Paul
    I think that’s the point – O’Leary is posturing and bluffing, not actually trying to sell his stake. Etihad are an airline that might actually want to buy the stake, so Ryanair have excluded them from their ‘offer’.

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    Mute Bilbo Baggins
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 12:17 PM

    Etihad can never own over 49% of an EU airline due to EU rules, I wonder would they benefit from 30 odd percent in Aer Lingus, to be fair its a pretty damb cheap price if they were..

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    Mute Jonathan Morgan
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:22 PM

    Etihad can never own over 49% of an EU company….however they own just 29.1% of Air Berlin but they pull the strings. Percentages don’t always give the whole story.

    By stipulating “50.1%” and “EU airline only” Ryanair are deliberately excluding the most likely candidate to buy their share of Aer Lingus. No hedge funds and no Ethiad permitted equals PR stunt.

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 3:49 PM

    Virgin America is 75% held by a US based holding corporation as Virgin group being British, can’t own an airline in the US.

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    Mute Daniel Ryan
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:31 AM

    That’s Business! It’s not Sports! Michael O’Leary is Ireland’s #1 Business Man.

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    Mute Jim Kavanagh
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:46 AM

    He is a Eire Nua prat

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:47 AM

    To the reality Tv generation maybe.

    Something tells me you also think Justin Bieber is worlds greatest musician….

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    Mute Andrew Telford
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:56 AM

    Great business man… 6 1/2 years of failed attempts and the man can’t pull off a hostile takeover. I think that gets you a spanking at Harvard business school.

    But throw his picture in the papers every other week and have all the sheeple dumbed to the point they cant tell whats news or a reality Tv show saying ‘OMG! I like totes can’t believe he said that or is gonna do that, can’t wait to see what happens next week’ and your a great business man by popular vote…

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    Mute Seamie Dyson
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:03 AM

    So Andrew – tell me what company you took to the forefront of European business and changed the face of making it copied the world over?

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:38 AM

    Seamie o Leary admits he copied it from Southwest Airlines in the US after Tony Ryan sent him to take a look at it. Not his idea but having said that it seems to be doing alright.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:39 PM

    @ Andrew. Have you ever heard of the long game? Are lingus is just a you for them anyway, it’s Micky mouse.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:39 PM

    @ Andrew. Have you ever heard of the long game? Are lingus is just a you for them anyway, it’s Micky mouse.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:16 AM

    Brilliant, looks like they have given up on trying to buy Aer Lingus

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    Mute Ross MacCárthaigh
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:38 AM

    Or are they attempting to prove that no-one else wants it?

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:53 AM

    Greatest Irish business, the best of the 21st century!

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:54 AM

    Greatest Irish business? stupid comment

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    Mute Adam Power
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:42 AM

    Please explain how it isn’t a successful business.
    It’s a top 3 airliner in Europe originating in one of the smallest countries in the EU.
    Just because O’Leary is a pr#^k doesn’t mean he isn’t a great businessman. One of our best.

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    Mute Bill
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:45 AM

    Yes Adam I agree with you Aer Lingus have been a top class business and a top class employer for three quarters of a century now .

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    Mute Conor Power
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 12:24 PM

    Ryanair has made it affordable to travel. I still find Aer Lingus fares extortionate in most cases. Can you image without the Ryanair competition what Aer Lingus fares would have been during the Celtic Tiger years??

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 12:48 PM

    Conor is my brother
    Us Powers know what we’re talking sbout

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:11 PM

    Connor I agree we owe Ryanair a lot as they have made air fares all over Europe cheaper. However I dont think you can claim Aer Lingus is extortionate. Especially when you take into account the extra charges and the airports they fly to.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:14 PM

    Ok I’ll tone it down from extortionate to exorbitant.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:40 PM

    I’m surprised Aer Lingus haven’t gone out of business with how low their fares are. Flying to Heathrow with AL is cheaper then with Ryanair to a crap airport like Stansted. But yes if it weren’t for Ryanair the fares would be still extremely expensive. AL’s long haul flights are really cheap as well in comparison to all other carriers available when I come home from the US.

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    Mute Sean ORegan
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 2:30 PM

    Not really the greatest.. not yet.. they still have CRH to contend with and there are a bunch of others around them that you do not hear too much about.. but every bit as innovative and well run..

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:33 PM

    @ Cooper. Ross is correct. It’s a tactic.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:35 PM

    @ Bill. Largely at the tax payers expense. The company hasn’t made a profit in decades. So it’s a badly run inefficient business. In stark contrast to Ryanair which employs many more people and makes a profit.

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    Mute simonjblake
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:37 PM

    @cooper. Ryainair revolutionized accessibility to air travel in Europe. Don’t underplay it. Flights to London in the 80s were 500pounds and more.

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    Mute simonjblake
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:38 PM

    So you have flown to LHR and stansted and you prefer LHR? Are you insane?

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    Mute Bill
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 5:04 PM

    @simonjblake when was the last time taxpayers money was used to prop up Aer Lingus ?
    Could you also estimate the massive amount of tax etc paid by its employees over seven decades think you will find the latter greatly exceeds the former and by the way you won’t be paying much tax to the government on a Ryanair minimum wage

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 5:49 PM

    Simonjblake I’m not underestimating what Ryanair have done for air travel in Europe I acknowledged it above we owe them alot.

    LHR is better for both getting into London and connections onwards. I do it a few times a year

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 5:53 PM

    Read Wikipedia and you find the answers to all your remarkable questions. Where do you think the states involvement was upto the 2006 flotation? At 4:1 employee numbers in favour to ryanair you probably are right that more tax is generated by aer Lingus employees due to the fact they are overpaid. If you genuinely believe AL is better then Ryanair then I hope you have no influencial roles in life bar maybe what brand of baked beans your wife buys.

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    Mute Bill
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 6:55 PM

    Simonjblake your comment about baked beans kinda gives the game away that you are a Ryanair employee you can’t obviously afford to eat anything else

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    Mute John Campbell
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:38 AM

    Why all the begrudgers? 30 years ago Irish people were paying Aer Lingus 200 punts to get to London, today we are paying an equivalent of about 40 punts, thanks to Ryanair.
    Michael O’ Leary doesn’t court popularity but he carries multi thousands of Irish and other Europeans to many destinations at very affordable fares.

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    Mute Colin C
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:04 PM

    And if Ryanair take over Aer Lingus then expect extortionate fares all round again. It wasn’t Ryanair that brought prices down. It was competition. O’Leary wants to do away with that now that Ryanair is the larger of the two.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:12 PM

    Ive never heard an Irish person say 200 punts.

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    Mute Enola Straight
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:18 AM

    Only right. It’s like Sky having a 25% stake in UPC. Ridiculous.

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    Mute Jim Kavanagh
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:45 AM

    Cannot wait until this wee Man falls, just like the mighty Quinn.

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    Mute William Grogan
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 12:49 PM

    It’s far more likely you’ll fall….. and O’Leary wouldn’t give a toss.

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    Mute simonjblake
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 4:40 PM

    He’s not a foolish gambler like Quinn was.

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    Mute Colin C
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:05 PM

    The best thing about Ryanair is that you can avoid most of the plebs when you fly Aer Lingus.

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    Mute Henrik Larsson David Garland
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 1:40 PM

    I used to have to travel to Belfast to get home to Scotland pre-ryanair as Aer Lingus was so expensive. Have their critics like all companies but have a big fan here.

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 2:01 PM

    Making an offer to sell something to demonstrate a point will have the CC tied up in knots. They cannot consider another EU airline as being substantially any different to Ryanair as regards competition. However, the effect of the combined actions of the UK CC and the Irish Government will be seen to have an effect of the value of the Ryanair shareholding.
    This is not an offer to sell. It’s O’Leary holding up a mirror.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 11:59 AM

    Hope they sell to an airline in the Star Alliance.

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 3:10 PM

    Why? Why not a One World or Sky Team airline?

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    Jul 23rd 2013, 5:30 PM

    Star Alliance are the best quality of the alliances. Aer Lingus is a similar standard so why not?

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    Mute Stephen Dunne
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 5:11 PM

    Michael O’Leary reminds me of Bono. Both prats, but you can’t deny both of them are the heads of very successful international groups.

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    Mute Eoin Moynihan
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 10:43 AM

    So, they’re NOT going to sell unless another airline manages to buy 50.1% first?

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    Mute Brian O Cinneide
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    Jul 23rd 2013, 3:11 PM

    The British, as usual, have a damned cheek!!

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