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Government's 'objective' to cut childcare costs before Christmas - Taoiseach

Martin warned that the toughest period in this crisis could be wintertime.

LAST UPDATE | 20 Jun 2022

 IT IS THE Government’s objective to cut childcare costs for families before Christmas, Taoiseach Micheál Martin confirmed today. 

Speaking to reporters at the National Economic Dialogue at Dublin Castle, where key stakeholders and unions will submit their thoughts on the forthcoming Budget, the Taoiseach said: 

“Childcare is a big issue. It’s a very significant cost pressure on families. And we’re going to look at that.” 

When asked if some measures in the Budget will be felt by parents before the end of the year, the Taoiseach said: 

“That is the objective of the Government.

“We’re very clear across government, that the next budget has to look at affordability issues around childcare. So that certainly is an issue that will merit consideration.

“We have to do it with obviously within the fiscal framework.”

Speaking at Dublin Castle, Tánaiste Leo Varadkar said the Government “can reduce the cost of services that are influenced by Government”.

“Next year, increased subsidies for childcare should be used to reduce costs for parents. This will increase disposable family incomes and make it more attractive for parents to return to the labour market thus helping to fill vacant positions and moderate wage inflation.

“Investing in childcare makes sense now and for the long-term,” he said.

Key pillar

The Journal reported in April that childcare costs will be a key pillar in October’s budget. 

The Department of Children has worked up a proposal that has is being sent to the Department of Public Expenditure this summer.

The idea of core funding was introduced last year by Children’s Minister Roderic O’Gorman, which he said at the time was the key to unlocking some of the most challenging issues in the current funding system and offers a new basis on which to build partnership between the State and providers.

Core funding to the tune of €220 million will help improve pay and conditions in the sector, and in turn, enable parental fees to be controlled by the State, so that the full affordability benefits of the Early Childhood Care and Education Programme (ECCE)  programme and the National Childcare Scheme (NCS) can be realised. 

Varadkar said he wouldn’t put a timeline on when parents could see a reduction in their childcare costs, but added that the three parties in Government are “determined to make a significant move on the cost of child care”. 

“We’ve already brought in two years of free preschool which is already childcare and education. But it’s an enormous cost for a lot of parents, for a lot of young families in particular,” he said.

It is preventing people getting back into the workforce, added Varadkar.

“So it makes economic sense to to substantially reduce the cost of childcare,” he said.

Varadkar also said that it is possible that social welfare increases will kick in almost immediately after the Budget day announcement in October, rather than increases being rolled out in January, as is often the case.

“The budget is announced on Budget Day and then there’s the Finance Act. There’s a Social Welfare Act as well. But actually a lot of the weekly rates can be increased by ministerial order,” he said, stating that legislation is not needed for the implementation of the increases.

“So that can be done more quickly,” he added, adding that some tax measures can also be brought in on the night of the budget.

Pension hike 

He indicated that pension hikes will be higher than they were last year, when 5 Euro was added on the weekly payment. 

“That was on the basis that inflation was running at around 2% or 3% and inflation is now running at around 7% or 8%. So I think it stands to reason that the pension increases in the social welfare package will have to be greater in 2023 than they were this year,” he said.

Speaking about the wider budget today, the Taoiseach again dampened down suggestions that the Government will bring in measures to address the cost-of-living before October.

He said the immediate priority of this year’s Budget will be the cost-of-living, adding that the Government cannot run the risk of “chasing inflation”.

“We do not want to repeat the mistakes of the 1970s,” he added.

Martin said that winter could be the most challenging period, and that the Government has to ensure it is prepared. 

“Russia has cut off gas supplies to Germany and Germany is talking about the activation of dormant coal plants – that is serious stuff,” he said.

“And the indications russia is endeavouring to levy significant pressure on European states with respect to supply of gas. That’s the context we have to plan.”

He added that a “month-to-month approach isn’t the ideal approach”.

“We understand the pressures on people. But we’ve got to accept that the winter period could be the most significantly difficult period of this crisis so far.

“And therefore we’ve got to make sure that we have enough in reserve to deal with that and to keep the pressure off people, to enable people to have some quality of life and get through the winter,” he said.

Services delivered ‘effectively’

Addressing the National Economic Dialogue later, Martin said the Government “must ensure that our people are supported in the face of rising costs of living, that the services they expect are effectively delivered and enhanced, and that we are making the investments necessary to ensure a prosperous future”.

However, he added:

“Our resources though are not limitless, nor is our capacity as a small country. We need to prioritise and manage carefully our resources, while ensuring we protect those most vulnerable.”

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar used his speech at today’s event to speak about the need to look after middle-income earners in this year’s Budget. 

“Workers should not have to rely on their employer being profitable enough to get a pay increase. Some simply won’t be able to pay. We shouldn’t say to those workers that they will get no help to improve their disposable income.

“And middle-income people getting pay increases should not lose 52% in Income Tax, USC and PRSI. They should be able to keep most of it. This, in turn, can help moderate demands on employers for bigger increases. So it makes economic sense,” said Varadkar.

The Tánaiste said a comprehensive anti-inflation strategy is needed.

“Central Banks will do what they have to do, unwelcome as it is. Governments can do more by helping to reduce some of the underlying high costs that Irish people endure.

“We can continue to reduce the income tax burden on workers and middle income families by indexing tax credits and tax bands. I think the case for this is stronger than ever,” he said.

Public pay talks

Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform Michael McGrath was asked by reporters if the Government would be increasing the offer it made to unions at last week’s talks.

“I do hope we can get back into discussions, I think it is in the interests of everyone that we have a collective agreement,” McGrath said.

“It helps to provide industrial peace and also gives us certainty over a very large area of expenditure.

“I think the offer that was made by the Government was a good offer, it went a long way towards matching the projected level of inflation but we have to ensure that any deal is affordable and sustainable.

“I do hope we can get back into discussions and the Government’s door is very much open but there has to be a realistic basis for reaching agreement.”

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    Sep 10th 2018, 6:57 PM

    She seems a charmer. Goes to Clare County Council, looking for their support, and when questioned threatens to sue people. How to win friends and influence people.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:39 PM

    @Dave Slater: ….when libeled threatens to sue people.

    fixed that for you there

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:43 PM

    @Dave Slater: I don’t hear jimmy criticizing the FF bagman to the media.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:45 PM

    @We Love Katamari: shes being purposely ignored by the media, save for negative articles like this one.

    hopefully she gets the support of 20 TDs as a public interest candidate, social media is on fire with people willing to vote for her.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:10 PM

    @Dermo Adams: she’ll struggle to get them, I emailed my Independent TD to ask him to support her nomination, he took the well worn path of the Irish politician, Silence.
    He fears he’ll lose a vote if he was truthful and a man.
    Those at the Trough don’t want anybody rocking it.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:53 PM

    @Sean Conway: so unless he does, his comments somehow don’t matter?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:55 PM

    @Dermo Adams:

    How can you say she’s being ignored by the media?

    You are literally commenting publically on her on one of Ireland’s largest media platforms.

    There have been dozens of articles and reports on her over the last three weeks here on Journal, Irish Examiner, Irish Times, Irish Independent, Sunday Business Post, and all radio and TV shows.

    That she cannot get a single Council to back her speaks volumes.

    I guess people just plain don’t like her views.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:17 PM

    @Brinster:
    A bit like the people who spoke out against the Church in the bad old days?
    A lot of people didn’t like hearing the truth then either

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:22 PM

    @Bernie Roche: so you think Jimmy Guerin shouldn’t be allowed to ask that rumour and hearsay about his sister’s death be thrown about with no evidence (or seemingly no plan to ever show evidence) because of another, unrelated situation?
    Doesn’t seem fair to Jimmy if you ask me.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:43 PM

    @Only here for the comments: I never said anything about Jimmy Guerin.
    I was replying to brinster who said
    ‘That she cannot get a single Council to back her speaks volumes.
    I guess people just plain don’t like her views.’
    That sort of attitude is why corruption is rife in this country

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:39 PM

    @Bernie Roche:

    People don’t like her views, Bernie, because she is a conspiracy theorist anti vaxxer who exploits misery, fear and ignorance all for the purposes of self promotion.

    Then threatens to sue anyone who dares to question her on her own un-evidenced pronouncements.

    She appeared in front of Clare CoCo to ask for their votes – as soon as they questioned her she threatened to sue them.

    So I don’t think it is anything to do with corruption.

    It is to do with her being the Worst Candidate I Have Seen in My Lifetime.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 7:28 AM

    @Brinster: You forgot toxic. The people who don’t like her views are people who don’t like having the mainstream narrative questioned.
    By the way conspiracies happen all the time, the banking and insurance cartels are 2 glaring examples.
    Another one coming down the line is going to be gardai in cahoots with drug dealers.
    You will have a great time with that one.
    I do agree she is a poor candidate for the presidency

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    Sep 11th 2018, 8:59 AM

    @Brinster: Speaking of evidence, you can produce yours of where she says she’s antivax? No? Didn’t think so, cause she’s not and you’ve just swallowed the narrative that MSM wants you to.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 1:26 PM

    @Bernie Roche: you claim what she said is true, how could you possibly know that? She has provided no actual evidence.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 6:54 PM

    Same tack used to silence Garreth O’Callaghan on the Philip Cairns issue.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 6:59 PM

    @Chemical Brothers: Give it a rest with the conspiracy theories

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:03 PM

    @Chemical Brothers: completely different case, circumstance, evidence, arrests, convictions, but hey, it’s all a connected conspiracy man ….

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:40 PM

    @Tweety McTweeter: Like her callanan penalty points conspiracy theory? like her missing 12 foot bood stained fence theory? like her mary boyle theory.?

    gemma has form getting things right

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:58 PM

    @Chemical Brothers: Philip cairns family wanted him to stop with his behaviour

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:54 PM

    @We Love Katamari: and so is incapable of being wrong?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:38 PM

    @We Love Katamari: even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:12 PM

    @James Kiernan: she has a shniff for a story and she bases it off evidence. She doesn’t tend to flippantly remark on any rumour for no good reason. She built her career on building relationships with informants and people who know what’s happening on the ground whatever ground that may be. It might be unpleasant for her brother as he doesn’t want to reopen old wounds as do many victims families of falsely accused murderers.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:10 PM

    Gemma was warned by another Guerin family member about possible involvement by the state in Veronicas murder. Gemma reported on it a good few years back. I don’t see what the problem is here.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:24 PM

    @Bobby Moore: Let her name all these people so.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:22 PM

    @Brinster: ‘a toxic conspiracy theorist anti vaxxer’

    They paying you per insult now?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:26 PM

    @The Risen: but anti vaxxer and conspiracy theorist are positions she demonstrates. Toxic would be a cheap enough one….if you were paying, like.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:40 PM

    @Brinster: She reported on it. It’s what journalists do. She didn’t do it as a publicity stunt as you state. But then again that’s all you FG shills do is try and muddy the waters and try smear any sort of opposition.
    She has stated quiet clearly that she is not an anti vaxer either. But you still spread that lie about her. Won’t you.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:01 PM

    @Brinster:
    Nothing but an overreaction from Jimmy Guerin that’s been manipulated and fuelled on by desperate state corruption apologists folks like you flapping all around threads like this.
    You should be ashamed of yourself but you’re obviously not.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:59 PM

    @Bobby Moore: it’s not reporting if there’s no evidence.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:11 PM

    @Tweed Cap: Your being misled by a tinfoilt hat, sensenaist fake

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:10 PM

    I don’t see what Mr Guerin is getting so upset about. Nothing O’Doherty has claimed is an insult to Veroica or her memory. To say it is an insult is just obviously politically motivated hyperbole. I’ve no great opinion about Gemma O’D one way or another, by the way

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:12 PM

    @Paul Devlin: it gets too close to the newspaper group who pushed an employee hard, then harder, until

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:22 PM

    @Paul Devlin: She’s claiming that the person convicted of the murder was not responsible.

    That robs the family of justice. Of closure.

    Maybe you could come back to us when a conspiracy theorist starts making up lies about a murdered member of your family before proclaiming that Jimmy Guerin isn’t entitled to feel sickened by this.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:55 PM

    @Brinster:

    State fanboy

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:58 PM

    @Mick Barnier: adding Insult to injury there. suggesting that Veronica guerin wasn’t doing things of her own accord but instead was being pushed in some way? Typical of O’Doherty cheerleaders, there’s always someone behind the curtain isn’t there?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:05 PM

    @sixmile:

    Darn right I’m a State fanboy.

    I love my country.

    I’m actally proud to be Irish.

    Unlike a lot of the “patriots” on here.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:20 PM

    @Brinster: The state is not the country

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:28 PM

    @Bernie Roche:

    fg thinks the state is everything, hence the fg fanboys reply.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:49 PM

    @Brinster: You’re working very hard tonight on behalf of FG.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:01 PM

    @Brinster: you are a complete contradiction. Veronica’s brother claims it was John Gilligan that had her murdered, however gilligan was never found guilty of her murder, so therefore the family is robbed of closure already. Just goes to show what a clown you are. You FG shill

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:15 PM

    @Dave Doyle: Gema o@Dorhethy is a f\
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    Your working hard for the gangsters that killed Veronica Guerin

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:21 PM

    @@at: Ah yes the Shinners worked well with the Dealers

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:03 PM

    Let her run and let the people decide her fate.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:13 PM

    @Paddy Downey: grand. But if she spouts nonsense should we not point it out? Or should she get a free pass because she’s running for office? That isn’t how it works for anyone else.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:33 PM

    @Paddy Downey:

    Worst.
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    Ever.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:43 PM

    @Paddy Downey: I agree. I’m not sure how I feel about her but I’d definitely like to see her given a platform to speak and be challenged through a campaign. It wouldn’t be a good look for the political establishment if she wasn’t given the opportunity.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:00 PM

    Gemma needs to lay off the hooch, a) for this ridiculous theory and b) for genuinely thinking she has a hope of becoming president. The new Jim Corr

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:05 PM

    @Alonso:

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:56 PM

    @Alonso: at least you give a good description of the cross they are nailing her to.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:49 PM

    The last candidate I would vote for.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:04 PM

    The woman is an embarrassment to genuine journalists. She should forget about the presidency and concentrate on her works of fiction for the tin foil hat folk.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:48 PM

    @Willie: Oh, please name all of these ‘genuine journalists’ for us please? The ones afraid to step out of line for fear of being blackballed by INM, or the ones who report whatever the government and Garda press office hand to them?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:00 PM

    @The Risen: you know most of the time there really isn’t a conspiracy but one needs evidence to back up ludicrous claims

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:11 PM

    @The Risen:
    Better still let’s see Gemma produce one single piece of evidence aside from rumour and speculation.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:24 PM

    @The Risen: Honestly you’ve embarrassed yourself beyond belief backing this anti vaxxer conspiracy theorist.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:49 PM

    @Brinster: you seem to be obsessed with gemma running, or is it just fg letting their little attack pup out of the broom cupboard

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:52 PM

    @Brinster: Whats embarrassing is seeing you completely lose your shit and carpetbomb every presidency article with your anti-gemma o doherty infantile rants.

    Grow up

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:54 PM

    @Dermo Adams: Now now Dermo, if the FG shills want to addfuel to the accusations that there’s a concerted effort to scupper the womans candidacy, we should just let brinster and his ilk keep doing what they’re doing.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:01 PM

    @Dermo Adams:

    Hilarious!

    I barely post anymore.

    I make an exception for anti vaxxers as I think they are the lowest of the low.

    Dangerous people who feed on ignorance and misery.

    And yet the people who are paid to post here every day lose the plot when I make a rare appearance.

    Absolutely hilarious!

    Dermo my good man – i will continue to expose anti vaxxers for as long as I want to. Annoying you and the other shinner bots here is merely the icing on the cake.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:03 PM

    @The Risen:

    Shill?

    More nonsense from the account that posts here 24/7.

    One of us is paid to be here, frequently-banned-The-Risen, and it isn’t me.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:20 PM

    @Brinster: you were banned as well, genius.

    Pot meet kettle.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:24 PM

    @Dermo Adams: ‘ you were banned as well, genius.’

    hahahaha

    what a clown you are brinster

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    Sep 11th 2018, 9:28 PM

    @The Risen: please, oh wise and well informed one, share with us poor ignorant citizens what’s really going on in our country. Or is it really our country? I hear the Illuminati have taken over.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:01 PM

    Never believed Gilligan was behind it and still don’t . Reckon him and his gang were just patsies for others .

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:21 PM

    @Seosamh Snr Nolan:

    The shooters didn’t know who they were working for! The same people who killed martin cahill killed veronica guerin.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:57 PM

    Listen to her ted talk. Flinging accusations against everyone with zero evidence to back it up. The conspiracy theorists love it.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:16 PM

    A few weeks ago The Journal was full of O Doherty well wishers. People were going to vote for her in their droves. Not many people coming forward to support her. Classic Irish style drop the dead donkey.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:25 PM

    @John Nolan: The Gemma “well wishers” usually crowd any article that mentions any of the other potential nominees. Strangely, they are mostly absent this evening when Gemma is front and center.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:29 PM

    @John Nolan:
    Maybe people are begining to realise that she’s a fruit and but bar.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:37 PM

    @Michael Allen: You should focus on getting her a nomination first son.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:41 PM

    the hatchet job continues. the other candidates being fawned over on the other atricles on this site. shameful

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:05 PM

    Gemma must have known she was to face being attacked by people like jimmy guerin. great timing jimmy.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:36 PM

    @Sean Conway: She was the one who brought up the murder of Councillor Guerin’s sister just two weeks ago.

    Unprompted.

    Since then she had refused to clarify comments she made at a public meeting that are on tape.

    Them she pulled out of an appearance in front of Fingal CC and Councillor Guerin at the last minute today.

    No one to blame but herself

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:59 PM

    @Brinster:

    you’re a bitter twisted fg/state fanboy.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:00 PM

    @sixmile: playing the man as usual? Why not refute the facts? Oh, forgot, you can’t.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:04 PM

    @sixmile: playing the man? Easiest way when you can’t dispute the facts I suppose….

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:09 PM

    @sixmile:

    Right on cue, there’s my stalker.

    You’re developing a weird little obsession with me, sixmile.

    Maybe you should take a break from the bitter abuse and go for a nice walk.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:32 PM

    @Brinster:

    lmao, “bitter abuse” says the king of bile ha ha ha

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:01 PM

    Jimmy Guerin must have taken a vaccine as a child

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    Sep 10th 2018, 9:22 PM

    @Big Red: because he doesn’t believe in the daft idea of government collusion ?who would ?
    Veronica Guerin uncovered a hornets nest of gangsters unbeknown to herself who like Cahill in his Mickey Mouse jocks, continued his criminal life with impunity .
    The laugh of this notion is that CAB evolved from her death and if there was any iota of evidence of this nonsense claim it would have come out in the wash when millions of euro were being confiscated over the past 20 years . Heads rolled .Someone in the gang would have blabbed .
    Guerin did not know what she was dealing with at the time and the thugs did not get into bed with anyone or were guided by anyone only by their greed

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:59 PM

    Did she explicitly say there was state involvement in the killing or are political and media opponents twisting what she said to throw a banana skin under her campaign

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:26 PM

    @Moss Cotter: She explicitly said it. There is a video.

    Would take you about 6 seconds to find it on Google.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:48 PM

    @Brinster: you seem to be a very bitter individual..you exhibit a hatred of Gemma o Doherty not based on political differences but something more twisted

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:53 PM

    @Moss Cotter:

    Yes Moss – i’m bitter against anti-vaxxers and for good reason.

    People die because of their dangerous nonsense.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:05 PM

    Has she exposed this story if full,? is she afraid of getting bumped off , if she does? or is she just talking shite to get a load of press?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:54 PM

    won’t be voting for that crackpot… Micky D all the way

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:14 PM

    @ruth mc cann: mickey d is a confused old man, he promised one term but he seems to have forgotten

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:08 PM

    @ruth mc cann: Labour Party, it’s rid of their ilk we need. Micky D got a taste for the champagne in the Aras and quickly forgot his one term pledge.
    Typical Labour party member.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:06 PM

    If only Gemma had a bigger spoon to stir the sh%t with, then she’d be, like, famous!

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:01 PM

    I would like it investigated if it was my sister,this journalist is hated by the establishment for exposing corruption etc in the country.recent revalations about gda in false murder fogures,false charges,false breath tests,false bank accounts.missing phones laptops belonging to 2 x commissioners.smoke is rising and the fire is burning.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:06 PM

    Has she exposed this story if full,? is she afraid of getting bumped off , if she does? or is she just talking bs to get a load of press?

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    Sep 10th 2018, 6:57 PM

    I’d say every one should call it a day now, what’s past is past.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 7:43 PM

    She’s a very suitable candidate in the current political climate, she just needs to get rid of the conspiracy stuff.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:29 PM

    @Adrian: Beyond the conspiracy stuff – what is there?

    No record of public service.
    Never stood for election for any other office.
    No history of charitable or philanthropic work.

    A toxic rumour monger keen to exploit other’s misery to raise her profile with the most ignorant Irish society has to offer.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 10:04 PM

    @Brinster: That’s some slur on people, vile, full of bile, and totally unnecessary.
    With such comments coming from you, who would normally be reasonable, but pointed, it makes me think that there is some real palpable fear from the political establishment in the country.
    This woman exposes the naked corruption surrounding the top echelons of Irish society. Pushed to the fringes of journalism by DOB, she does valuable work in reminding people of who actually rules, not governs as best she can.
    The other plastic paddies offering themselves have nothing but their own gain as the main goal. Gemma O Doherty offers a real alternative, an alternative to the yes men who won’t rock the boat on the wholesale corruption pervading Irish society.
    She must be doing something right.

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:51 PM

    @Dave Doyle:

    Dave – we often differ but on this topic I can’t be civil. I’ve replied elsewhere on this thread why you’re absolutely right – I 100% fear her.

    I’m part of no establishment though – political or otherwise.

    There is an awful lot of bile in my comments and I believe it is fully deserved.

    Anti-vaxxers exploit fears and cost lives.

    Damn right I fear them and I will absolutely continue to challenge them and point this out.

    300 Irish women die from cervical cancer each year. We don’t have a cure – we have something better – a vaccine!

    We can stop 70% of this type of cancer from ever happening.

    She is threatening that without evidence.

    That deserves every bit of my bile – I won’t apologise for that.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 8:45 AM

    @Brinster: Sorry Brinster i don’t buy that at all. What she said was taken out of context. It doesn’t justify the total hysteria surrounding her attempt to get a nomination.
    I’m not ignorant of the office of President, but i don’t know everything that surrounds it, what her powers are and aren’t.
    But just wondering would her or anyone else being President give them access to documentation not available to ordinary people?? Would she have access to documents surrounding issues she has worked on, that would not be available to her under present circumstances??
    She could cause serious trouble for a lot of people if that were the case.
    I know my thinking is off on a tangent here. But the hysteria isn’t justified, it’s frantic in the extreme.
    Here’s the anti vaxx link.
    https://www.facebook.com/RevolutionIreland/posts/2054268731292112

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    Sep 10th 2018, 8:25 PM

    The shooters didn’t know who they were working for! The same people who killed martin cahill killed veronica guerin

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    Sep 11th 2018, 6:20 AM

    I’m not having a go at gamma (can’t afford the legal bills) but can somebody explain to me how she is going to tackle corruption from the aras? This is a serious question. I always believed the president was a ceremonial figure head whose main task was to sign bills as he was instructed and greet foreign diplomats and heads of state. Basically the Irish host.
    I genuinely don’t understand how she can fight and expose corruption as president, would she not be more constructive in the dail or highlighting this from another platform.
    Is she hoping that she will be exempt from the usual libel laws etc?
    Can someone please explain this to me.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 8:31 AM

    @Gasher: *Gemma

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    Sep 11th 2018, 12:35 AM

    The Journal rehashing this story. Just like bores.ie the journal is on its way out.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 1:05 PM

    Just because Jimmy Guerin had a brilliant sister, does not make him a shining star. His opinion is no better and probably worse that the average ‘Joe’, because he is emotionally invested and maybe doesn’t want his ‘acceptance’ of events disturbed. No one can blame him for that, but one can blame him for not keeping an open mind and by his actions, seeking to keep an excellent anti-corruption candidate out of the election. Gemma Doherty is a shining light, similar to Veronica, shining a light into the dark and shady corners that few others have the guts to do. There are also those who like to think there are no dark and shady corners because it suits their ideal. But in the real world there are people and government who are willing to go to great lengths, including murder, to achieve their own agendas. Gemma Doherty seeks to ‘out’ these people, surely that’s a good thing and something we should help, not hinder. I believe Jimmy Guerin’s speech was unwise and possibly politically motivated. To try and hinder a person that is genuinely trying to fight corruption even ‘if’ they make small mistakes along the way, is just plain wrong. Corruption comes in many shapes and areas’ and it is this corruption that is responsible for the homeless, health, education, tax, infrastructure, services etc…. crises. Corruption, and incompetence. How will it be changed if people don’t play their part and support people like Gemma when they come along. Don’t just complain about corruption and then do nothing about it when you get the chance. The presidents office has the power of PR and little else, that may be enough to shine a light.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 1:48 PM

    The independent in the UK hardly thinks its a conspiracy https://www.independent.co.uk/news/police-may-have-tipped-off-guerin-hitman-1360117.html

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    Sep 10th 2018, 11:25 PM

    The burden of proof lies with the person making the extraordinary claims. Time to put up or shut up if she is not just a vile attention seeker using a viscous murder to spread lies and appeal to half witted conspiracy junkies.

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    Sep 11th 2018, 9:58 AM

    Jimmy is a langer

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