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Give 16-year-olds the vote? TDs are set to debate a motion calling for a referendum on the move

Thomas Pringle TD, who initiated the bill, says he would like to see the referendum held alongside the local and European elections in 2024.

TDS WILL THIS evening debate a bill proposing a referendum on reducing the voting age to 16.

Thomas Pringle, the independent TD who initiated the bill, says he would like to see the referendum held alongside the local and European elections in 2024.

Pringle says that timeline is very much workable “if there was a political will there to make it happen”, but he concedes that the bill is unlikely to win government support.

The Donegal TD told The Journal that “the parties that have the most to lose from it will be Fianna Fail and Fine Gael”, since polling consistently shows that support for these parties is lowest among young people.

face mask 07 Donegal independent TD Thomas Pringle initiated the bill Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie Sam Boal / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

“I don’t think the government will accept the legislation – they’ll allow it to go to committee stage and hope that it dies there.”

If the franchise for local elections only was extended to 16 and 17 year olds, a referendum would not be necessary, as those elections are not governed by the constitution. But Pringle believes “if we’re going to do it, we may as well do the whole lot and make sure that people can vote and all elections”.

He said one avenue to reducing the voting age was to extend the franchise for local elections first, followed by a referendum on reducing it for general elections.

But Pringle is of the view that “that’s too long to wait”.

If passed by referendum, lowering the voting age would extend the franchise to 130,000 people in Ireland.

Pringle points out that several jurisdictions in Europe already allow 16 and 17 year olds to vote: Scotland allowed it on a once-off basis for the 2014 independence referendum, and then lowered the voting age for Scottish parliament elections in 2015.

In Wales, people aged 14 and 15 can register to vote, and 16 and 17 year olds can now vote in Welsh parliament elections and local elections.

A number of EU countries also allow voting at 16 for European elections.

His bill proposes lowering the voting age for all elections – Dáil, presidential, European and local government – as well as referendums.

Pringle say he believes the issues affecting young people are often overlooked in politics because parties aren’t chasing votes in that age group.

He dismissed the idea that young people might not take voting seriously: “How many people in their 50s and 60s take it seriously?

“How many older people who just go in and tick a box because that’s all they’ve ever done?

“The first time you vote, you will continue to vote … that’s I think that’s very important in terms of the democratic system.”

The bill, he says, represents “an opportunity for the political system to respond to the needs of young people.

“We could work towards having a referendum on the day of local and European elections, which is two years from now.”

The extension of the franchise to 16 and 17 year olds was recommended by the Constitutional Convention in 2013, and in 2015 the European Parliament endorsed a report calling for the voting age for European elections to be set at 16.

Furthermore, some 80% of participants in the Citizen’s Assembly in 2018 voted to set the voting age at 16 to enhance voter turnout in referendums.

The National Youth Council of Ireland (NYCI) has welcomed the bill, saying young people “have a stake and want a say in our democracy”.

NYCI Director of Policy and Advocacy Paul Gordon said: “Currently those aged 16 and 17 can leave school, seek full-time employment, be liable for tax, and join the youth sections of political parties, but cannot vote.

“We’ve seen the franchise successfully extended to 16 and 17 year olds in other jurisdictions including Austria, Scotland and Malta with positive results.

NYCI believes that the earlier young people engage in politics, the greater the chance that they will sustain a lifelong commitment to voting and participation in the democratic process.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:25 AM

    The cherry on the cake is Saudi are on the UN council for human rights. Money talks folks.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 10:51 AM

    @Brian harris:
    It’s a phuckin joke isn’t it.

    Israel sum to be pulling an Israel. Slaughtering and murdering thousands of people in Yemen, bullying those who object, and meddling in the affairs of other nations.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 5:48 PM

    @Jim Ni Suilleabhain: True Jim. Israel and Saudi seem to be close allies led by the yanks and brits who supply the weapons.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:37 AM

    Well done Canada. About time that somebody tells Saudi Arabia what they think of them.

    Perhaps the next step should be is the stopping the sale of weapons to them as well.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 1:34 PM

    “Trudeau argues that sale of more than 900 armoured vehicles is in line with Canada’s foreign and defense policies”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/21/justin-trudeau-defends-canada-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia

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    Aug 7th 2018, 11:37 PM

    @George Vladisavljevic: And Israel is giving the Saudis plans on how to build a nuclear power plant with plans on how to build nukes, Israel probably get hit by those nukes first???

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    Aug 8th 2018, 12:44 AM

    @George Vladisavljevic: Trudeau parks his principles so as not to get in the way of business and Real Politics

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:27 AM

    Its time the Saudis came out from living in the Dark ages ,Human rights go beyond borders and sovereignty.Canada should be supported by all believers in democracy and civil liberties

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    Aug 7th 2018, 10:18 AM

    @Anthony Gallagher: the 10,000 or so princes would prefer if they don’t. That way they can spend their billions of dollars on fast cars, prostitutes, drugs and other excesses while in Europe while telling their people what they can and cannot do back home.
    Someday their people will realize that while they’ve been prostrating themselves before Allah their leaders have been indulging all the things they claim are evil symptoms of western countries.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:03 AM

    Hopefully the Canadians don’t retaliate with similar measures lest they be accused of a Muslim ban.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:09 AM

    How many immigrants has the US backed saudis taken in since the conflict started. none.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 10:41 AM

    Are these the same people taking over Waterford?

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    Aug 7th 2018, 10:11 AM

    Time to shut down all contact with Saudis and kick them out of every civilized country. They are responsible for terrible atrocities and funding IS.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 10:41 AM

    Saudi Arabia – “If you criticise us, there will be consequences.”
    Canada – “Ok, Eff Off.”

    Except the Canadians are way to polite to give this response..

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    Aug 7th 2018, 2:17 PM

    @David Knight: And way too compromised by their sale of arms to Saudi

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    Aug 7th 2018, 12:48 PM

    Europe needs to stand firm with the canadians. I believe that leo has asked the powers in brussels to unfriend them on facebook – that will teach them not to threaten another 9 11 on our friends.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 1:56 PM

    @Toby Thedogk: Saudi Arabia threatened another 9/11?

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    Aug 7th 2018, 2:36 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: Not sure what was meant there either .. But Bin Laden and his Contruction Empire family were/are Saudi’s and current Saudi Dictator, who Obama even went to congragulate on his corranation, was the chief cheque writer for ISIS.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 3:31 PM

    @Dave O Keeffe: yesterday they posted a picture of a plane about to hit a canadian building on an official saudi twitter account. Since deleted. Western media must have been told to not to report it.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 2:16 PM

    Why don’t the left wing groups protest as much outside Saudi or Turkish embassy’s or visits, as much as they would Trump?

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    Aug 7th 2018, 1:55 PM

    Why would ANYONE in their right mind ever want to even consider this medieval country,

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    Aug 7th 2018, 12:21 PM

    Saudi diplomacy – No-one talks about anything.- except US.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 9:01 AM

    Fu.ck Saudi Arabia I say, much prefer Russian petrol anyway.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 2:33 PM

    Saudis are not evil .. America says so .

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    Aug 7th 2018, 11:34 PM

    @Irish Bob: Wahhabism was invented there instead of soccer, says everything about kicking a wife about instead of a ball as a past time?

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    Aug 7th 2018, 11:35 PM

    @Irish Bob: The US is acting now more like Babylon than the Babylonians were lol.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 7:02 PM

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” So a said Edmund Burke.

    At least Canada spoke up. The rotten Irish elected in our Dail, are either too cowardly to speak up or too busy with their political games, to do the right thing. Meanwhile women’s rights suffer still.

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    Aug 7th 2018, 3:52 PM

    World has gone into crazy chaos …. all these toys being thrown out of all these prams.

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