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Why is the EC releasing funds to Hungary and Poland in face of democracy threat?

Both countries have strongly denied allegations of corruption and judiciary interference, despite rulings from the ECJ and proceedings by EC.

EARLIER THIS MONTH, the European Commission (EC) approved the release of billions of euro of Covid-19 recovery funding to Poland, despite unprecedented dissent from within its ranks.

The EC is the executive body of the European Union (EU), and is made up of 27 commissioners. It controls the money that goes to EU member states. EC president Ursula von der Leyen supported releasing the money to Poland, but five of her fellow commissioners dissented.

According to a letter seen by Politico, Executive Vice President Frans Timmermans strongly objected to the move, saying that he “disagrees with the fact that the legal order is being adjusted to the political reality, instead of the other way around.”

Over the past number of years, Poland, along with Hungary, has clashed repeatedly with EU bodies and institutions, including the European Court of Justice (ECJ) and the EC itself. The reasons for this have been allegations of corruption, interference in the judiciary, and democratic backsliding in the two countries.

Both countries have strongly denied the allegations, however, despite numerous rulings from the ECJ and infringement proceedings launched by the EC.

Timmermans’ concerns echo those of hundreds of MPs, legal experts, and civil liberties organisations across the EU, who all say that democracy is under serious threat in Poland and Hungary, and that the EU is not doing enough to address the situation.

Eroding the rule of law

Problems with eroding the rule of law and democratic backsliding go back to 2015 for Poland, with the coming to power of the ruling PiS party.

According to Freedom House, a US government-funded think tank that focuses on democracy and political freedom, since securing power PiS has been moving aggressively to assert control over the judiciary.

These moves include reforms which put the power of appointing judges in the control of parliament, allowed the justice minister the power to dismiss presidents of courts, and which lowered the retirement age of Supreme Court justices, among others.

The government also passed laws which curbed the power of the country’s Constitutional Tribunal and installed pro-government judges on its benches.

Various European institutions – including the European Court of Human Rights, the EC, and the European Court of Justice – have ruled against the reforms, or taken infringement proceedings against Poland in recent years.

The EC launched actions in 2020 and 2021 which alleged that a Disciplinary Chamber for judges undermined judicial independence in the country, and the ECJ ordered that it be suspended.

The Polish government has responded by doubling down in many cases, refusing to accept the decisions of the EU. Last year, its Constitutional Tribunal found that parts of EU law were incompatible with the country’s constitution, which it said would have primacy over the ECJ.

This is something which is not compatible with EU law, and the decision was met with condemnation and further infringement proceedings from the EC. 

In Hungary, according to Freedom House, democratic backsliding has been ongoing since 2010, when Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s party, Fidesz, took power.

Since then, the government has been pushing through various changes to allow the party to consolidate control and power over various institutions.

The issue in both countries has brought the ire of many of the leaders of other EU countries, as well as sitting MEPS.

“What worries me about it is, on a couple of levels, I’m worried about the fact that since 2005 really, the Commission hasn’t taken seriously issues around infringement proceedings,” says Barry Andrews, Fianna Fáil MEP for Dublin.

“The main role of the Commission is guardian of the treaties, but there’s been a very noticeable shift in policy away from guardianship of the treaties and towards keeping the member states happy.”

Andrews refers to Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU), which states that, as guardian of the treaties – the international agreements which establish the constitutional basis of the EU – the Commission’s responsibility is to enforce EU law.

“So into that vacuum, not surprisingly, various governments are emboldened to ignore the treaties, to ignore the values of the EU – rule of law, democracy, human rights, freedom of expression… and not be concerned that serious steps will be taken to remedy the situation.”

According to the Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index, 2021, just 6.4% of the world’s population live in full democracies, while 37.1% live under authoritarian regimes. According to Andrews, the trend from Poland and Hungary – and, on a smaller level, some other EU states – is part of a wider global shift away from democracy and towards autocracy.

“At some point the EC is going to have to really come to terms with this issue, and the way that Ursula von der Leyen has greenlit the Polish reconstruction fund without serious changes to judicial laws in Poland doesn’t really augur well,” says Andrews.

What can be done

The use of the EU recovery fund was seen by the EC as a way to pressure Poland and Hungary into rolling back on some of the anti-democratic initiatives they have put in place in recent years.

[The Commission] worked hard and included this almost Rule of Law conditionality, but not quite there,” says Professor Tobias Lock, Professor of Law at Maynooth University, “But what it says in the EU regulation that is of relevance here, is that every member state who receives money from the EU has to have mechanisms in place to prevent, detect and correct corruption, fraud and conflicts of interest.

“That is basically code for, they have to have a functioning legal system, so that these funds are not misappropriated.”

Poland and Hungary both challenged this conditionality to the ECJ, but Europe’s top court found against them in January, ruling that, when it comes to democratic principles, “the European Union must be able to defend those values, within the limits of its powers”.

Both Poland and Hungary are net receivers of EU funding, and so are reliant on getting the money.

“It has long been argued that if you want to hit countries in the EU, especially those who are net receivers of money… then you have to turn off the tap of EU funding,” says Lock.

“[The Commission] did that, and everybody was quite happy about that.”

However, earlier this month, the EC granted the release of the funding, with von der Leyen stating that the approval was linked to Poland implementing judicial reforms.

“The approval of this plan is linked to clear commitments by Poland on the independence of the judiciary,” she said, after the release of the funding was announced.

Under the agreement, Poland has to abolish its Disciplinary Chamber for judges, and reform the disciplinary regime, among other measures. However, many commentators, including members of the Commission, were deeply unhappy with the move, saying that it was letting Poland off the hook.

“The problem is that Poland has made all these promises, but they haven’t delivered on these promises yet, we don’t know what’s going to happen,” says Lock.

“And if they don’t deliver on the promises, or they deliver on the promises initially and then two years later they turn the clocks back, there’s nothing the Commission can do, they’ve given up that lever, for now anyway.”

A political decision?

For many looking on, the move by the EC is a result of the Russian invasion and subsequent war in Ukraine. Poland has taken in over 3 million refugees from neighbouring Ukraine since the war began, and has been lauded for its efforts.

“To me, that seems to be the most plausible explanation. I mean, why would they now release the money… I think the reason, in my view, is that they wanted to give Poland something in return,” says Lock.

“To be fair to Poland they’re doing a fairly good job of looking after the refugees, and they’re taking in way more than anywhere else. But still… they’re still violating, by and large, the rule of law while doing so.”

According to Barry Andrews, Poland “doing the right thing” in relation to Ukraine shouldn’t “lead to them doing the wrong thing in other areas”.

He says that most other EU countries were sharing the burden of helping Ukraine, “without running roughshod over the rule of law, and without ignoring the primacy of the European Court of Justice.”

“Once you let that rot come into the treaties, it’s very hard to get it out.”

What more can be done

While Hungary has yet to see the release of recovery funding, the country has said it hopes to reach a deal with the EC by the end of the year. It is likely that the EC will look for it to implement reforms to tackle corruption and democratic backsliding, before releasing the funds.

Other than withholding funding, another measure to sanction countries that are seen to be breaking EU laws and undermining the treaties is for the EC to trigger Article 7 of the Treaties of the European Union. 

This would see an offending EU country have its voting rights and other rights suspended.

“That would be the ultimate sanction,” says Professor Lock.

“Now obviously we’re not there at all, really, because this requires a relatively large majorities in the European Council, it means that such a decision to suspend voting rights… has been supported by all EU member states, except the offending member states of course.”

Only the Commission has the power to trigger Article 7, and only if there is a “serious and persistent breach by a member of state of the values of the EU”.

“Now you could argue that Hungary and Poland have seriously and persistently breached the EU’s values, but politically it has been not possible to come to such a decision,” says Lock.

The reason for this is, firstly, is that such a decision requires a unanimous decision from the European Council – the heads of State of each EU member – and Poland would likely always back Hungary, and Hungary would back Poland, in vetoing the decision.

As well as this, the move would likely shock the EU to its core, and other EU states are unwilling to go those lengths, as of yet, preferring to try other methods.

Recall the Commission

The only power the EU Parliament and MEPs have would be to vote to recall the entire Commission, in the hope that a replacement Commission would act tougher on rule breakers.

However, according to Barry Andrews, there is not a majority in the Parliament for such a drastic move, despite the frustrations of a large number of MEPs.

“Definitely not a majority for that. But there is a debate and it has been talked about,” he says.

“There are certain criteria that Poland has to fulfil in terms of judicial reform… if there’s evidence of them not actually doing what they said they would do… I think in the Autumn there might be more discussion about it.”

Andrew says he would draw some hope from the objections of certain Commission members to releasing the recovery funding, which shows that there are “very live discussions going on in the Commission”.

“Ultimately however, the people of Poland and Hungary are the ones that will have to make a big call here.”

Both Viktor Orban’s Fidesz and Poland’s PiS remain popular in their respective countries among voters. Orban secured a strong electoral victory in April, with concerns expressed by the Opposition and outside observers over the strong pro-government bias of state media and institutions.

Professor Lock says that the issue will likely continue, and that the very values of the EU will be drawn further into question.

“The EU always likes to portray itself as a community of values, but the question then is how far do those values really go? Are they just some sort of veneer and if you scrape it a bit there’s nothing good underneath it, or do they take them seriously?

“And I think there’s some doubt under that now. At the moment, we can’t be sure they’re taking them too seriously.”

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:50 PM

    If anything the last few weeks have shown us is that there is a sizeable population in the UK that does not view Ireland as an equal.
    We are fine as long as we are not causing trouble for them – i.e. know our place.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:22 PM

    @Sean: nah, just the daily mail/Sun readers

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:24 PM

    @oh i dunno: which is a sizeable portion of the UK population.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:32 PM

    @Sean: Sky Newsh is always very low brow so this ignorance from presenter is to be expected. Im just glad Michael Martin is not Taoiseach as FF would have bowed and scraped to the British. Ive never voted FG but Leo and his team played an absolute blinder

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    @Michael Hayden: sizeable enough as it was these readers who voted for Brexit in the main.

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    @Sean: Ireland isn’t an equal. It’s smaller than Yorkshire.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:46 PM

    @Sean: SkyNews, pfft. Where their political editor is under the impression that Sinn Fein are the minority party making up the government. UK are welcome to travel back to the 1800′s. Good luck to them.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:53 PM

    @Damocles: ironically, it shows the slight arrogance and aloofness that some nationalists in Ireland have that they viewed themselves as equal to a global financial and political superpower. We are only able to get any sort of all Ireland deal due to the backing of the eu, of which we are pawns. English nationalists and elites are, of course, completely arrogant, but I would say we have the same proportion here.

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    @Gulliver Foyle: it’s only arrogance when someone you don’t like is doing it. When the UK tries to get the best deal for themselves it’s arrogance. When the EU and Ireland do the same thing it’s completely fair and reasonable.

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    @Sean: Another problem is that far too many people don’t even understand that Ireland isn’t part of the UK.

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    @Sean Flaherty: part of Ireland is part of the UK.

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    @Damocles: Not for long!

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    @Sean: Ireland isn’t an equal. It’s smaller than Yorkshire.

    @Damocles: Ireland is a sovereign state whose rights and concerns are as valid as any the UK has.
    The idea consistently expressed in a lot of UK media is that the Irish are causing trouble, when the opposite is clearly the case.
    It’s a situation of their making.

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    @Damocles: Correct. But we are a sovereign partner with the UK in the EU.

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    @Michael Hayden: about 100%

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    @Damocles: I do hope by your example, you mean the difference between the populations of Ireland and Yorkshire….

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:35 PM

    @Damocles:Ireland isn’t an equal. It’s smaller than Yorkshire.

    And the Great Britain is the size of a gnat compared to Russia, whats your point exactly? Also, no part of Ireland is part of the UK, you must mean part of the island of Ireland. Honestly no one does hubris quite as well as the British!

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    @Paul Linehan: population wise, Ireland is smaller than Yorkshire.

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    @Shane McGettrick: Ireland is not equal to the UK. Russia is not equal to the UK. Great. Glad we’ve got that sorted.

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    @Damocles: I asked you what your point was, were you comparing population, landmass, GDP, average IQ, median income? I’d guess you were just going off on one, as Brexiteers are so wont to do. Glad we’ve got that sorted.

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    @Sean: The fact that the question was put in this way does indicate that there is an element in the UK that is angered by our audacity in seeking to limit the damage that Brexit will have on us. Coveney deserves kudos for not reacting to the hyperbole from the DUP.The only group claiming any kind of victory in all of this is the DUP but if it placates their extremists, fine.

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    @frank murphy: Bad move ye made not choosing Coveney as leader. That’ll bite ye in the arse.I see Enda Kenny is still correcting the Dail record. He claimed in one of his stories (presented as fact at the time) that some poor woman who was kidnapped by isis converted to Islam. She didn’t.The question is if Leo’s corrections of the Dail record ( Frances Fitzgerald ) presages more of the same. Flannagans hanging on in there by the short and curlies.

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    @Damocles: Some countries may have power of another but all men are made equal.

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    @frank murphy: Man, you are way over the top. tone it down. You are not doing FG any favours. Your support makes you look like an obvious troll or completely deranged.

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    @Damocles: No it isn’t!

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    @frank murphy: WHAT?

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    @Sean: its true sean. Quite an eye opener this week. Disappointing. Feel like I had my head up my ar** on this.

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    @frank murphy: Thought that was Adams!

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    @Shane McGettrick: number of sheep

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    @Dave May: .have you got inside information about this?

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:54 PM

    Does Simon Coveney and Ireland feel guilty? Did he vote for a ludicrous Brexit at the behest of the Daily Mail? Did he do so knowing full well it could set Northern Ireland back decades? Is his party critically divided and causing mayhem in the negotiation process? Did his Government neglect to do an impact study? No? Then shut up Boulton and look at your own team first.

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    @@angrymanwithissues:
    “Brexit at the behest of the Daily Mail? ”

    What simplistic, juvenile nonsense. You sound like a student council amateur marxist.

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    @Denis Bán: “You sound like a student council amateur Marxist”.

    What simplistic juvenile nonsense.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:26 PM

    @Denis Bán: I do apologise, Denis. Knowing I’ll encounter the likes of you on here, I do try to dumb my commentary down so you can understand what I’m saying. If they add a video function on here, I’ll post some videos with sock puppets explaining the issues of the day – that will probably help you out.

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    I hope your a troll account because I would hope someone whos posted the amount of nonsense you have today cant actually exist, from sticking up for this guys ridiculous questions to hoping Palestinian protesters get fired on by the IDF.

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    @Denis Bán: “marxist.”?? – then explain the stance by the City of London (by that I mean the financial institutions).

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    @Donal O’Leary: Denis Ban is a white supremacist troll

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    Dec 8th 2017, 4:27 PM

    @Denis Bán: How much of part do you think the right wing press has played in the achievement of Brexit, the tabloid readers have been fed a constant anti EU diet for years, this question asked of our Taniste was for their benefit, keep repeating it, couching it in questions or “quotes” and hey presto it’s a “fact”, a way of deflecting the ongoing cock up, do you think he asked any DUP member to clarify the lie by Arlene about the Irish government stopping them seeing Monday’s proposals? ,

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:56 PM

    Brexit could lead to the end of the UK. We must position ourselves to pick up the pieces. The government has done well in representing our interests.

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    @Sandra O’Fucáif: I would wait and see what the final outcome will be before we start doing cartwheels. This is the first battle, its the war we need to win.

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    Dec 9th 2017, 11:36 AM

    @Sandra O’Fucáif: I agree completely Sandra. Fair play to all involved. Good fair & balanced comment from you.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:51 PM

    Sky news and its rightwing aganda

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:09 PM

    @Paul Maguire: God forbid Irish politicians would be asked tough but fair questions.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:04 PM

    @Denis Bán: the question should have being asked off arlene and not Coveny! There was agreement last Monday until the battle axe that is arlene threw her toys outta the pram

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    Dec 8th 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Paddy: good jeysus, I wouldn’t get up on her to open the curtains

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:58 PM

    This dismissive attitude on the other side shows that we were right to draw the line where we did and stick to it.
    There will be more of this to come, of course.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:18 PM

    @Danny Rafferty:
    Adam Bolton doesn’t represent the “other side”
    He’s just a shock jock who likes to think his opinion matters.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:11 PM

    @Stephen Griffith: OK. You probably have a point there.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:07 PM

    Boultan is not the brightest ,simple answer to his question was, we did not call a referendum on leaving the european union ,we did not allow a right wing anti europe press delude the british public with fake news and lies ,we did not have a prime minister who cowardly promised a referendum to keep peace within his own party and use the politics of the european union to distract from his own political weakness.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:56 PM

    Typical Sky reporting everything is good as long as it’s the British leading the way. A bit like when someone looses in sport or any other field they are Welsh, Scottish and Irish but as soon as they win and get any type of accolades they’re British they don’t know their bum from their elbow you know what I mean

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:02 PM

    Michael Collins would be proud of yas lads!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 8:31 PM

    @Colin Savage: proud of a country saddled with private banking debt by those in charge, a housing crisis caused on purpose, a health system not fit for purpose, politicians openly following their own agendas and lieing to the public, referendums delayed due to concern about voter bases, cans kicked down the road over and over, corruption investigated by tribunals but never acted upon and the list goes on….
    We have 100 years experience in our governments making bad decisions and abusing positions and the public do nothing about it so I don’t think brexit will affect that.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 10:31 PM

    @Shane Carroll: we paid 200+ billion to banks?

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    Dec 9th 2017, 9:36 AM

    @lavbeer: 64 billion to bail out banks, 100 billion due to the economy collapsing. 8 billion a year interest on the 200 billion debt.

    http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/debt-profile/historical-debt/

    Irish tax payers paid 44% of the EU banking crisis despite the Irish making up only 1% of its population so I wouldn’t trust the EU to act in Ireland’s best interests during brexit negotiations.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:54 PM

    Éire innit

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    Mute Franklin Roosevelt
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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:48 PM

    “Leo and Simon did such an amazing job this week, they should be joint-Taoiseach forever!”

    What did they do exactly, apart from let the DUP and Conservatives make fools of themselves in front of Tusk?

    “Shut up, they’re great!”

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:52 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: If it had gone to shite, you’d be one of the first online warriors to criticize them.

    Like I keep saying, the mob is a brainless entity.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:55 PM

    @MK76: no, I would blame the stupid British imperialist mindset that got them into this situation in the first place.

    They still think they have an empire.

    They’re a smaller country now on the world stage than the state of California

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:59 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: yet still one of the largest economies in the world

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:07 PM

    @MK76: Jesus, imagine if I actually criticized Leo and Simon!

    All I did was make fun of the effusive praise they’ve been getting the last few days, despite not doing a thing.

    Maybe you belong to the weird right wing mob.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:18 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: Yeah, fair enough and I don’t believe they are due anything other than a “decent job done, thus far”.

    You can’t say that there isnt a significant “sentiment” on these forums who are only willing to criticize, but too blinded by political bias to admit a job well done.

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    Mute Ian Kavanagh
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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:27 PM

    @MK76: the mob … yeah anyone who pipes up is the mob !!!!the FG mob want Leo to take the credit for this, yet the same idiots claim it’s outside pressures etc that are responsible for his failures ( of which he has many )… mob indeed.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:36 PM

    @Ian Kavanagh: exactly Ian.

    Of course, they are blue shirts. Fascists have a hard time dealing with any type of critique or reality.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:52 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: Ha. You try to take a reasonable approach (see my 2nd post above), but when one of the LLA warrior buddies come in to support, true colours are quickly revealed.

    I don’t suppose you get the delicious hypocrisy of castigating others for labelling you, while at the same time calling them “blue shirts” and “fascists”.

    Like I said, the mob is a brainless entity.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:57 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: Did you get your nappy changed yet? You are very cranky.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:03 PM

    @MK76: the mob … how old are you again ? I didn’t think Leo is allowed to employee kiddies in his 5 million media spin machine … I can’t believe a grown person would fall back to the mob phrase at every possible opportunity… the mob. lolĺ

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    Dec 8th 2017, 4:44 PM

    @MK76: repeatedly calling a single person makes no sense.

    And I said nothing factually incorrect when I called Fine Gael supporters blue shirts. They have their roots in fascism.

    Would you prefer to be called communists?

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    Mute Martin Horan
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    Dec 10th 2017, 1:08 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: as Dean Acheson said in 1962 “Great Britain has lost an empire and has not yet found role”

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:42 PM

    The Brits are just making trouble because they lost. A bit petty isn’t it really…

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:25 PM

    Well done Simon, answered an offensive question with class. Leo and Simon have done great work with the brexit talks so far, credit where credit is due.

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    Mute ChuckE
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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:43 PM

    The award winning my news showing a nationalist view without really doing any fact checking in the timeline of the talks breakdown during the week. Our representatives did extremely well this week and showed themselves to be far more competent than their British counterparts. Thank god it wasn’t Enda in the hot seat

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:13 PM

    Well answered!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:40 PM

    Sure Sky never have a good word to say about us!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 4:52 PM

    @Maire: ___ It probably stems from their attempt at setting up an Irish Sky News channel, the channel that soon disappeared into oblivion because no one here watched it.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:42 PM

    What this past few weeks has shown is just how dysfunctional the current UK Government actually is. The Conservatives are in the midst of a civil war over Brexit. And to be honest I doubt Labour would be in any better state if they were in Government. With Corbyn and much of his front bench who are anti EU at odds with the majority of the Labour back benches who are in favour of the EU and remain. Brexit is probably the most divisive event to happen to the English since the English Civil War. With thed country split the way it is the Conservative Government are terrified of allowing a second referendum simply because they fear it would rip the party apart.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:10 PM

    @Mick Jordan: you mean rip the country apart .

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:12 PM

    @Mick Jordan: spot on.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:02 PM

    Adam Boulton is Kay Burley in trousers, he’s like a big kid.

    https://youtu.be/1gkHwU4DRA8

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:37 PM

    Fantastic work by Leo and Simon and don’t forget all the diplomats etc working hard behind the scenes also. Did Sky ask Arlene the same question I wonder?

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:55 PM

    Well done Simon. Great performance

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    Dec 8th 2017, 7:07 PM

    @Michael Carty: He can do performance in the theater. He did nothing as he did for resolving housing crisis. In private company he would have been fired already. Oh yes, he loves supporting palestinian terrorists. Let him put more palestinian flags on the buildings :D

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    Dec 8th 2017, 7:11 PM

    @Michael Carty: He can do his performances in the theatre. He did nothing now but EU did and previously being housing minister to solve housing crisis his party created. In private sector he would have been fired already. Oh yes, he has success in putting palestinian flag on the building xD More terrorists welcomed.

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    Mute Paul Coughlan
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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:59 PM

    Adam Boulton knows little about ireland and certainly about the DUP and brexit

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    Dec 8th 2017, 12:59 PM

    Talk is cheap, time will tell a tale about this so call agreement though hopefully we are heading towards an all Ireland solution. Its unlikely ever loses a nights sleep over anything considering how quick he was to get out of housing.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:41 PM

    Si and Leo have forced Theresa to agree to what she was offering.

    This is a massive victory.

    Well done lads.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:48 PM

    @Damocles: Ireland went in prepared the UK didn’t. UK are now the small fish against the EU27.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:13 PM

    @Damocles: this is and will be a great deal for this country one which may not have being agreed with out the efforts of Simon and Leo. Whether you like them or not they done good!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:15 PM

    @deise: ok. You keep shoaling in your tank and maybe playing in the plastic sunken ship feature.

    We have oceans to chart.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:23 PM

    @Paddy: I’m sure they’re not going anywhere.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:56 PM

    @Damocles: great comeback. Are you Borris Johnson?

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:39 PM

    @Damocles: It’s more like the Brits are shoaling in their tank and playing with the sunken plastic ship while Ireland and the EU are charting the oceans…

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:42 PM

    @deise: I haven’t got the hair to be Boris Johnson.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:44 PM

    @Ken Loughman: the UK would be one fish. A fish can’t shoal on its own. Your comment makes no sense.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:51 PM

    Just wait til Brexit is hailed a success and Coveney suddenly becomes a ‘British’ politician…

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:24 PM

    Sarky individual Boulton.
    The Brits again thought they were going to walk all over us and it did not happen.
    There should be not let up because they will come back at us.Its not over by a long shot

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    Mute Adrian
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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:00 PM

    FG don’t do guilt. Its all about portraying false images, and trying to keep the false charade going. That’s what FG is all about.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:01 PM

    Can’t fix it, best solution to FG is make like it doesn’t exist!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 1:30 PM

    @Adrian: FG do what FG do best … kick the can down the road.

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    Mute Do the Bort man
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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:27 PM

    Well its really petty from the Sky broadcaster, just because they lost. I guess the Brits will just have to lump it.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:46 PM

    The kerfuffle was caused by the UK leave vote, nothing else.

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    Mute Kevin Barry
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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:35 PM

    If the UK cabinet and negotiators were portrayed in a season of “Yes Prime Minister” in the manner that they have behaved over the last 18 months the public would have rejected it as over the top.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 11:54 PM

    I’m British and I am appalled at the dismissive arrogance much of the British Government and people have shown with regards to this issue. We chose to exit the EU and the onus is on us to provide solutions to the inflammation we are causing in doing so. Ireland is standing up for themselves and quite rightly. The British media has conveniently cherry-picked angles to spoon feed the British public with outrage. I believe this debate has exposed severe shortfalls with respect to the British public’s understanding of Irish & British history. I can certainly say that the education we provide to our children in Britain is censored to avoid stains on the nation’s character. This must be addressed.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:38 PM

    Surprised at Bolton. He’s usually good. Still I suppose if you want to scramble an Englishman’s brain mention Ireland.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 8:10 PM

    As a Brit here in Ireland I truly find the anti-UK verbal diatribe many of you are throwing at us as distasteful. Do you really dislike us so much ?, what have we done in these last 80 years to deserve such hatred ?, did we not try and help the State during the financial crisis ?, did some of our heavy contribution to the EU coffers not find its way into the Republic ?, did we not consistently support you in Brussels when the larger states dismissed you ?, I could go on. Anyway, best of luck with your friends in Brussels, I’m sure they won’t ever dream of treating you with the same contempt they thrust on Greece when next the economic cycle is downwards, _ no, surely not. They don’t have a track record of ever imposing life changing austerity conditions for borrowers do they.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 8:02 PM

    Saw it today and the lad did very well in fairness.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 5:50 PM

    It was between the EU and the UK, Sky trying to drum up anti Irish hatred…

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    Dec 8th 2017, 4:44 PM

    Once all this ganging up to extort even more money out of UK is over and the UK is finally free from the freeloaders, Ireland can sit and feel proud of there position in EU as the dogs that they treat you as. Then you will vote to leave. You nearly had the bottle twice but got bullied and surrendered I don’t see Michael Collins being proud of any Irish politicians who willingly handed over the sovereignty that was so hard fought for. Didn’t even make the 100th centenary. Shame on you. This is how they are treating the biggest net contributor and you think that’s fair game. Well Ireland is a net contributor now, enjoy your rise in contributions and don’t forget the main meal of Irish fish you will serving your masters.

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    Dec 9th 2017, 1:56 PM

    @De Mad Hoor: totally agree with you. Great Briton will have independence back. English politicians will make rules and regulations for its people. Ireland is finished as we knew it, our politicians did hand over our sovereignty that as you rightly say was fought so hard for. We might get the right to vote for our so called politicians, but its not our voice they will answer to, because they do not work for the people of Ireland.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 7:46 PM

    Who writes Adam Boukton’s script?? Guilt? Does he understand the meaning of political negotiation? Does he understand the Good Friday Agreement? Does he understand there is a cost to the UK leaving the EU? But “guilt”? Hardly an appropriate term .. no one died!

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    Dec 8th 2017, 3:25 PM

    Stupid ignorant question by Boulton but fair play to Coveney he gave a very good detailed response.

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    Dec 8th 2017, 5:51 PM

    @Joe Johnson: His next question was, do you have a pig under your arm and can you riverdance for us now?

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    Dec 9th 2017, 3:26 AM

    Time now to reclaim the seas & oceans & the assets that lie there-in !! #notonukewaste Irish sea >>> Legalities of Shannon Stopovers ned to be questioned also ?
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    Dec 8th 2017, 9:04 PM

    He could of said “we’re actually trying to save yiz brits from your own stupidity but your to dumb to notice, you’ll thank us some day”

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    Mute Martin Horan
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    Dec 10th 2017, 1:14 PM

    @Franklin Roosevelt: as Dean Acheson said in 1962 “Great Britain has lost an empire and has not yet found a role”

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    Dec 9th 2017, 12:25 PM

    Huge Coveney?

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    Dec 8th 2017, 2:38 PM

    have to say I think teamfinngael have done great McEntee, Varadcar and Coveney came across as young dynamic europeans. very polished performance we should be proud. Have the shinners made a decision about anything yet?

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