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It’s getting worse by the hour with Trump, as much as I detested Clinton and all she stood for, this man is extremely dangerous for the planet as a whole.
The Trump lovers online here are getting more quite every day …..waking up now methinks!
Well they were idiots if they didn’t see it coming. He has already secured his place in history as most hated American president. After nixson that some achievement especially I’m his first week.
Well I wouldn’t be keen on him he has a point. If ireland was getting flooded with illegal immigrants we’d at least want an electric fence of some sort. Cheaper in the Top line stores.
Secured his place in history as the most hated. What a laughable comment. Self absorbed cry babies cant throw a hissy fit forever. But he does deserve legitimate criticism secret cia black site prisons overseas doesn’t sound very America first.
@Paul Furey, out of curtesy for others I personally refrain from commenting on every Trump article, it is in the interest of balance and fairness to hear different opinions rather than the same people commenting every day, however while we’re on the subject just 2 quotes from President Trump in the last 24 hours, “A nation is not a nation without it’s Borders”, There is no place for politics when it comes to the safety of our citizens”……
@Maurice
Can you not see the sheer lies and hypocrisy??
Simple example: practically declares war on the CIA in a series of personal tweets, the following week meets them, tells them the best thing ever and blames a biased hostile media for making up ‘fake news’ about his views on them. You couldn’t make it up!
@Maurice Bourke: Hated by the snowflakes and their celebrity craving parents only. Madona is not happy at all. Promised tax break is gone
@Kate Flaherty: Very true. Hundreds of innocent people murdered by illegal immigrants who were caught several times and released
Val, anything to say about trump advocating torture? Or are you just going to throw another few vacuous tangents into the mix?
@Daniel Lambert: Nobody complains about the Chinese Wall. What’s wrong with a wall if they want it? Previous Adminsitration wasted $7BLN on a virtual wall project covering only something like 50 miles and it didn’t work! Documentary is on-line. At least defence contractors made a packet on that pet project until Congrssional Oversight Committee cancelled it as a waste of $
@Avina Laaf:
That is legitimate criticism which is perfect. It is the ‘Trump worst president ever’,'Trump is literally Hitler’,'he is Putin’s puppet’, ‘he is a racist, misogynist etc.’ nonsense that is wrong.
@Maurice Bourke: “he is Putin’s puppet’, ‘he is a racist, misogynist etc.’ nonsense that is wrong.”
No, no it’s not. He’s made statements corroborating the fact that he is all those things and there are witnesses, such as the Ms. Teen USA and Ms. Universe contestants he spied on. I assume you don’t have a tv or newspapers under the rock where you live, troglodyte.
@Philip Gerard:
Oh Phil, you’re making yourself look silly again. What is your definition of misogynist? I’m thinking a man who marries women and who has run beauty competitions for women might fall short of the definition of ‘a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.’
@Maurice Bourke:
I would think the majority of those views are based on direct observation of a series of individual incidents like the one I mentioned.
@Ross Stewart: That’s at Gountanimo? Bush started it and I did not approve, Obama continued it and I believe all the tribe about him been too good to do bad. So Trump says he will use it too, I suppose if they are ISIS, it would do no harm, but isis not democratic.
The Irish government did it up until video recording of prisoner interviews ended in 1998, Lyric FM is now doing it to me because my car radio is stuck on one channel,
@Maurice Bourke: I’m thinking a man who says this:
Torture certainly gets people to talk, but the information is usually worthless as they’ll say absolutely anything to get it to stop.
It is now waiting for a video to be released where terrorists groups return the favor
Exactly Avina laaf, they just say what you want them to say to make it stop.
And they get the wrong people also.
John McCain is the only real hope to stop this despot with respect to torture.
Imperial Japan used waterboarding and many of these techniques on US POWs during WWII.
Trump hates McCainand vice versa but McCain has been through it.
@Dave O Keeffe: I’m sure he cares a lot about what you think.https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/824440456813707265
It seems that Trump is not even convinced of the advice from his own Defence Secretary regards torture..
@Diarmuid:
John Mc Cain the terrorist sponsor, John Mc Cain here with Abu Bakr Al Baghdagi, Islamic scholar and Islamic State leader?? That John Mc Cain??
@Barnes: Ah, YouTube the ultimate proof of all the right wing conspiracy nutcases
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus:
Maybe to a SJW such as yourself,this leftist rag is more to your liking?
@Barnes: @Barnes: You use a picture of fictional serviceman in Vietnam to attack a real serviceman who fought in Vietnam and experienced torture first hand in defense of a Vietnam draft dodger who’s lived a pampered life.
@Darren Tully:
Ok lets clear this up, Mc Cain served in Vietnam, Mc Cain endured torture, Trump dodged the draft, are we in agreement?
Lets move on a little..Mc Cain met with head hacking rebels inc Islamic States leader, agreed?
Islamic State and other head hacking groups, torture, burn alive ,maim, rape and enslave women and children…hopefully you manage to cop on to the hypocracy of Mc Cain.
@Barnes: McCain did so in order to try to stem the violence are we in agreement?
Closer to home the Irish and British governments met with representatives of groups conducting smuggling, drug dealing, robbery, intimidation, leg breaking and punishment beatings, bombings, abductions and murders all because of religious and political affiliations, in order to try to stop the violence are we in agreement?
Hopefully you cop on to your own hypocrisy
@Darren Tully:
“McCain did so in order to try to stem the violence are we in agreement?”
Agreement? Ehhh no.
Wipe your mouth Darren because your spouting shyte, It’s there in black and white in the BBC report.
‘Sen McCain – who was the Republican presidential candidate in 2008 – has repeatedly urged more forceful American support of Syrian rebels, calling for US cruise missiles to target Syrian government forces.
After unverified reports emerged last month that Syrian government forces had used chemical weapons on rebels, the hawkish 76-year-old senator renewed his calls for the establishment of a no-fly zone.
He has also repeatedly urged that the insurgents should be armed’.
“Stem the violence”.. yeah right.
Wait until he gets a hold of Alec Baldwin!
It’s torture enough trying to watch the Baldwins act.
In a day that will live in infamy .. trump has bombed the baldwins
All trump has to do is have good old chat with enda Kenny and this government… They know how to get people to pay for something…. Just look at us paying most of Europe’s banking debt… At least they get a wall. All we got was homelessness crisis,. Health service shambles etc…
@Irving Chubbie: How does Trump feel about Drone strikes. Obama loved ‘em!
I herby award todays wittiest journal.ie comment award to LITTLEONE
A real advocate for the advancement of civilisation.
In all fairness, why the f@¥k would Mexico pay for that wall ?
The funniest thing is that 99% people are not aware there is already wall built by Obama there. It is called Mexico–United States barrier. The project was signed by Bush administration but then mostly built in Obama era.
@Ronan O Connor:
Why do they think they will have a choice in the matter?
@Ronan O Connor: Why the fu’xk did we pay for banking debts?
Would he also defend the other side torturing his countrymen?
There are rules and regulations in the conduct of war and the US are signatories to those rules.
Actually George they aren’t signatories to all the rules
@Jimmyjoe Wallace:
They did sign the United Nations Convention against Torture.
He should ask Senator John McCain what he thinks about being on the receiving end of torture.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_against_Torture
@George Vladisavljevic:
Not condoning Trump at all but
1) Daesh don’t play by any international/humanitarian rules
and
2) Trump is looking to reinstate policies that were used by previous governments. He is not the first and will not be the last Republican who holds these views
@George Vladisavljevic:
They chop peoples heads off already…..of course they torture, that is not even in question.
However, should the US torture…..obviously not, unless they don’t hold the values they espouse.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever.”
If you’re a president who doesn’t trust the intelligence community to tell you the truth, why would you trust it to make the right decision about whether to torture people?
Trump is going to make it very difficult for all Americans travelling around the world . They will be seen as supporting This tyrant and his policies . As far as Ireland is concerned he is going to make things very difficult for us all here on this Island.there will be huge job losses and a drop in Investment here. And I hope our button kissing ministers don’t go near the white house with a stupid bowl of shamrock on paddy’s day making beggars of themselves and making us all look stupid. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. This creep is going to damage our country along with the Brexit mob.
Never missed a shamrock ceremony at white house should not stop now it’s huge publicity. I think we should make it even easier for Americans to visit. Double the holiday visa time here. For one it shows them we are better and bigger morally and two we make more money from the fools lol. Wall ain’t going to be much by the way unless they go down 50 feet underground and hundred in height. Mexico tunnels in drugs and I believe the cartels have not only discovered the shovel but they also have another advanced weapon. Ladders
@Gerry Fallon: “The Brexit Mob ” You mean 52% of the uk or 17.2 million people that some mob .
Well Robert,if they had been told the truth at the time of going to vote the stay camp would have won. They (Farage and his cronies)didn’t fill the electorate in on the consequences of voting to leave,especially on the north situation which is vital to keeping the peace. Look at the mess now Robert. Do you honestly think it’s all going to run smoothly for irish/UK relations? We have serious problems ahead.
@Gerry Fallon: we Irish have no sense of dignity and pride. Kenny will prostrate himself before Trump asking for crumbs from the table. He will get nothing but the national sense of inferiority requires us to ingratiate ourselves with out supposed “better”.
If Kenny goes to present the shamrock, it will confirm him to be an utter lickspittle.
@Eye_c_u: yep —> nothing like sucking up to fascism. is there?
Can’t believe I’m defending this idiot – but the headline is deliberately misleading and evocative…. he didn’t pledge to do anything – he said his opinion was that they should fight fire with fire, but he’d leave it up to the ‘experts’.
This story is shocking enough without throwing on an exagerated headline.
The headline has now changed!
Unfortunately the Mexicans will pay for that wall. He will impose some unforeseen taxes on imported goods. Something yet to be announced.. Thats my guess.
@saoirse janneau: Just heard that it’s likely to be huge taxes on money leaving the US for Mexico. Western Union and bank transfers. so it won’t be Mexico, but people of Mexican origin sending money back to families
@saoirse janneau: And in retaliation the Mexicans will put huge taxes on exports on states like California-where their trade with Mexico is close to around $24.5 billion..
The US will win any trade and tariff war with Mexico which can hardly afford to get embroiled in such a tit-for-tat exercise that will knock its much smaller economy.
Trump has rebooted nationalism and protectionism which was inevitable given disastrous globalisation.
It didn’t matter who was in charge, it was inevitable as manufacturing, production and jobs have been sliding out of the West into Asia (mostly) and Latin America, while huge flows of people have been going the other way, depressing wages in the West.
In the West soon it will be not only Muslims but other immigrants, and then mass deportation programmes. Technology is also replacing labour, with 3 out of 10 jobs currently done using labour to be replaced by automation by 2050.
Better buckle up.
@Ó Connmhaigh: True. In the last 15 years the U.S. MNC’s have cut U.S. jobs by 2.9MLN and created 2.4 MLN jobs overseas. That’s what this is all about. If it wasn’t Trump would have been someone else. People in the U.S. are sick of Off-shoring of Jobs, white and blue collar!
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/news/2012/07/09/11898/5-facts-about-overseas-outsourcing/
@Anne Marie Devlin: this will probably start a trade war with Mexico of sorts. they wont take that. It appears Trump is slow on the concept of cause and resultant effect ..
@Ó Connmhaigh: There are no winners in trade wars – apart from short-term propaganda, it’s lose-lose.
@saoirse janneau:
Of course they will pay, i agree……it is not as if they will have a choice.
@Anne Marie Devlin: I would think, he will not alienate They wiMexico , I reckon he will strike a deal, Will pay something. The wall will be built,.
Trump is right and who cares if terrorists or potential terrorists are tortured. Isis and the likes are brutal and need to be treated as such. If torture can save countless innocent lives then go ahead and do it. This is war and not Sunday brunch with the girls.
@Irish Actors: So you wouldn’t mind if we take away your spouse without any evidence, charge or process and torture her in a a black hole for a few years?
Ever consider that innocent people mistaken for terrorists are tortured? Even locked up in Guantanamo for years? Ever consider that, innocent or guilty, waterboarding encourages people to say ANYTHING to make it stop. So information from torture can be true or false and impossible to differentiate? Watch the video of hitchens undergoing waterboarding and see if it doesn’t change your mind.
You’re adding a few things into the mix there along with the torture, as you do in any good Hollywood film, but to answer your question with a question, how do I sign up for her being taken off for a few years? My bit on the side would be delighted!!
Ross-maybe a few innocents will fall foul of the method, but that’s a small price to pay for the prevention of terrorist acts against thousands of innocent lives. These terrorists laugh at the current methods of treating them as civilised people who should be treated accordingly. They continue to slaughter while we let them relax in prison unable to give them as much as a slap on the hand.
Torture doesn’t work, it just recruits more enemies
It does work. The enemies are already there. Now go back to fairyland.
@Dave O Keeffe: NO terrorists recruit more terrorists on there own
Glad to know that if you were tortured in the wrong, in between your screams you’d say ” well it’s a small price to pay to stop terrorism…”
@Ross Stewart: I am not saying i agree with it i dont have enough info C’mon really they dont pull a little old lady off the street and torture her .
I was replying to IrishActors
@Irish Actors:
I think the big issue in your statement is the use of the word ‘potential’.
@Irish Actors: It worked amazingly well in the north in the 70s. it really halted the IRA. Sure they weren’t heard of again after 1973 when people got a whiff of the torture methods being employed. Irish Actors, you really are clueless. Torture, ethnic profiling, shoot to kill policies, discrimination etc led to much higher levels of recruitment as they are doing with ISIS
And what would you suggest? All sit down for a nice cup of peppermint tea and discuss how to stop this whole misunderstanding? Why don’t you step into the real world. The world where Isis use toddlers to execute people. That’s what you’re dealing with and group hugs ain’t going to cut it honey.
Irish Actors, torture is an excellent recruitment aid “look at what they are doing to our people” etc. Torture doesn’t work https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture it only makes things worse.
@irish actors, “group hugs ain’t gonna cut it honey” – we’re not living in a Hollywood action movie and speaking like a macho ‘go get em’ cowboy doesn’t help you make your case. It’s not all black or white; torture or peppermint tea. There are many shades of grey in between. If your family were bombed and tortured and illegally jailed without trial, would you think of fighting back? I bet you would.. and so do the victims of US military power.
@Irish Actors: How many people were killed with Drone strikes during the last Administration without any trial. How many killed in “collateral damage”? Anyone got figures? At a guess a much more serious situation I’d say as remote operators use what looks like a video game machine in Nevada and go home for dinner after work. Truly scary and not at all publicized or even discussed!
@Dave O Keeffe: It worked for your idol Stalin
Mattis (and many other military and Intel experts) already called bullsh*t on these claims/alternative facts before. So this is hopefully little more than just another PR moment.
leo varadkar wants to travel over and meet (lick-up to) him
He’s no orator but to be honest he is right about putting strict vetting in place for people who want to enter the country. It cannot be good that there’s a huge number of undocumented in a country.
@Bean Ui Mise: yeah, playing the anti immigration card always gets the reactionary slavering support.
Why should Mexico pay for it? It Trump that wants to build it. If I wanted to build a wall between me and me neighbour I don’t think my neighbour would pay for it!
If only there was information available, oh wait… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Intelligence_Committee_report_on_CIA_torture
This is how ISIS recruit
@Dave O Keeffe:
yes that is very true !!, and all the wars and invasions into their countries for oil, and dictators placed in power and supported by the west, and slaughter of civilians by the west.
Lots of reasons for recruitment and anger in that part of the world…..ISIS is evil but the roots of it can easily be understood.
The articles headline picture just sums him up, he looks like a slapped child being told to put the lid back on his pen!!
Trump the puppit! I’m going to go with what they say”. He’s going to go with everything his spooky background staff say. They are pulling the strings for this hateful fool. Make America great again?really? It should be “make America hate again”! I just hope they don’t come here on holidays anymore.Ive gone off them big time.
Looks like there’s going to be a Mexican standoff
A big wall just requires a bigger ladder.
@Gagsy 99: Or a shovel to dig a tunnel
Everyone thrown their toys out of the pram because Trump is putting his country first and not his oocket
Ridiculous
I’m gonna build a wall. On my own property, between my house and my neighbours. For my own security. And I’m gonna make my neighbours pay for my ginormous wall. That’s how this works, isn’t it?
I hate the way the media take every word Trump says literally. When he says Mexico is going to pay for the wall he doesn’t mean they will send the money, he means he will impose a tax on imported goods.
@KevinMunster: it will be bigly complicated.
@KevinMunster: @Anne Marie Devlin: I would think, he will not alienate They wiMexico , I reckon he will strike a deal, Will pay something. The wall will be built,.
If this goes ahead it will be up for 8 years max because the next president will pull it down! What a horrible man. ..
@Linda Hughes:
There is already a fence in place bully by previous administrations so I doubt any incoming presidents will bother removing the wall
The wall itself is little more than publicity for Trump as it will hardly affect the immigration issues at hand. What it will do is show the electorate that he is “a man of his word”
The thing with executive orders is that the Senate can decide not to fund them thus making them entirely redundant
Leave trump pay for it, after all he’s loaded. He could give the American taxpayers a break!!
Trump’s trumpeteers are beside themselves in ecstasy as Trump starts to live down to the very worst expectations.
What a man. Go Trump. Only in a week and look what he has achieved. Shows how pathetic and false all other politicians in the West are.
@archer 12: What exactly has the Orange achieved? He signed a few papers, that’s all
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: Archer is “pro life,” so he will be delighted that Trump stopped the Mexico City Policy funds going to overseas agencies.However…the last time that a Republican President did the same thing,the abortion rates doubled in Sub Saharan countries..It went from every 13 in 10,000 women to a whopping 27 in every 10,000 women.But “pro life” people will continue to applaud this signing…Oh well…
I don’t see any reason why Mexico has to pay for it..If you want you pay for it.
No way are the Mexican people going to pay for a wall …..shur all their money is tied up in the tunnel building
Grill em bake em fry em eat em…. there waterly versatile
RTE morning Ireland in meltdown this morning ….Trump going to expel 5 million Mexicans ….Tax all their small remittance home……His actual proposal is to expel thoes who have committed criminal offences….Most likely have a tarrif on Mexican exports to the US to pay for wall
He will tax goods coming in and out
Wanting to expel millions of people and calling them a race of criminals. Now where did I hear that before?
Thanks for Donald trump Irish is living on street hotel for none Irish.
@Patricia Cooney: Could you repeat your comment in English, please?
@Larissa Caroline Nikolaus: Patricia’s another Russian troll on here,
@Philip Gerard:
Is that a fact, or something out of your AR$E ? Care to back it up…..of course not, just another lazy smear in place of an argument….sad
@John003: So true, RTE is just into Trump bashing. It is not working, people realise they are at it. They are selling off land now in case a rival get it. Time to split them up
A wall will not achieve much. Most illegal immigration comes from overstayed visas. People arrive by air!
http://www.fairus.org/issue/how-did-illegal-aliens-arrive-without-inspection-or-with-visas
@María Eugenia Baiardi:
I guess we will see wont we……
Forrest Trump
The illegal immigrants who are protesting at the election of Trump, waving
Mexican flags, and yelling “Trump is not my president” are telling the truth.
His name is Enrique Pena Nieto.
The illegal immigrants protesting against Trump, waving Mexican flags, and yelling
“Trump is not my President” are telling the truth. His name is Enrique Pena Nieto.
Trying to make Mexico pay for a wall it doesn’t even want is like me making a stranger buy me a house.
@Dave Rowe: Mexico does want the wall
have your say