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Nina Hoss and Cate Blanchett

Cate Blanchett on Tár: 'I don't think there was ever a safety net with the whole thing'

The Australian actor talks about her latest role as a controversial conductor in the Oscar-tipped Tár.

LAST UPDATE | 14 Jan 2023

IF YOU APPROACH watching Cate Blanchett’s latest film, Tár, expecting definitive answers, you won’t find any – and that’s the joy of it.

What you will find is a mesmerising performance from an actor at the top of their game: Blanchett brings to the screen a magnetic portrayal of the film’s protagonist Lydia Tár, an American conductor who lives in a rarefied world and who is about to experience a fall. 

Lydia Tár is a fictional creation from the mind of actor/director Todd Field. He is an Oscar-nominated filmmaker who has a gap of 16 years between this and his previous film, Little Children (starring Kate Winslet), and just one other feature to his name, the devastating In The Bedroom (2001).

Together, Blanchett and Field make Lydia feel so real that you can understand why some audience members thought the film was a biopic of an EGOT-winning conductor. 

Tár was written specially for Blanchett, and her portrayal of such a complicated, layered, frustrating yet charismatic figure has her tipped for an Oscar. The film pushes Lydia Tár to the brink, as she gets ready to launch two major projects: a book named Tár on Tár, and a recording with the Berlin Philharmonic of Mahler’s Symphony No 5. 

It’s a high-pressure time for Lydia Tár, but it’s not like she hasn’t been around intense stress before. In fact, she seems to thrive on it – while working on these two projects she also hatches plans to despatch a colleague to another role, which she knows will upset him. And we slowly realise she’s dealing with some pretty nefarious behaviour in her personal life, behind her wife Sharon Goodnow (Nina Hoss)’s back.

…Or is she? That’s the thing about Tár – you never quite know what the answer to a question will be. It wears its ambiguity proudly.

The film follows Lydia for three weeks as she wrestles with what’s going on in her personal and work life. And if all that isn’t enough, in the night time the conductor appears to be haunted by strange noises. 

No safety net

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If things are intense for the fictional Lydia, they must have been for the real-life Blanchett too. Several of the Australian star’s scenes (and she’s on screen nearly the entire time) are one-shot scenes, including a 10-minute sequence early on, when Lydia visits a class in Juilliard in New York City.

No doubt Blanchett’s extensive theatre work – she is a former artistic director, alongside her husband Andrew Upton, of the Sydney Theatre Company, and has tread the boards countless times – helped there. But Field himself said in an interview that his lead had ‘no safety net’ for these scenes.

The Journal caught up with Blanchett and Hoss for an interview this week. When we asked Blanchett if she felt that lack of a safety net herself, she laughed and told us:

“I don’t think there was ever a safety net with the whole thing; getting up in front of the Dresden Philharmonic and conducting those rehearsal scenes, I felt definitely in peril!” But she described it as “a dance you’re always dancing, with the camera crew, with the other actors in the scene, with the musicians in the scene, and with Todd.”

The 10-minute one-shot at Juilliard was rehearsed by Field and Blanchett a number of times before being filmed, and Blanchett described it as “much more akin to being on stage”. “We had these technical rehearsals, and then we had the performances, which were the takes, and we actually got it on the first take, it all came together,” she explained.

But their joy of nailing the take was short-lived, she revealed:

And then the camera just… it slipped and went the wrong way. And so we had to [do it again], but it was thrilling.

Initially though, she had been worried about this scene. She told us this was because Lydia has a sensitivity to people’s body movements, and misophonia (sensitivity to sounds), which both play a specific role in how she behaves in Juilliard. 

“I said to [the director], when he said he wanted to do it in one: there’s a really important component that I think you’ll lose if you do it in one,” of Lydia’s misophonia.

“This student has a bouncing knee, which is driving her crazy. And so I think [it influences] the way she’s speaking to him, but of course I said the audience is not going to get that… But because he’s the filmmaker that he is, I think you get that stuff homeopathically and perhaps if you’d cut into that scene, you wouldn’t – it would have made that stuff too front and centre.”

Indeed, that scene captures Lydia’s acute sensitivities and its impact on the students well, without drawing attention to the fact it is a one-shot wonder – quite the feat. 

‘Sharon is not naive’

The central relationship in Lydia Tár’s life is with Sharon, played by the German actress Nina Hoss – famed in particular for her long working relationship with director Christian Petzold.

The audience wonders how much Sharon knows about her wife and her behaviour. When we see Lydia acting out in front of Sharon, we watch her partner’s facial expressions as she tries to wrestle with what’s going on. Did Hoss feel as though Sharon knew the darker sides to her wife?

“I don’t want to explain too much, but what I wanted is: it’s two adults. And Sharon is not naive. She’s lived life and she has chosen a partner that is not the easiest to be with. And she has done so with open eyes,” said Hoss.

And so she can take a lot because she decides to be okay with that. But what does that mean in the long run for the relationship? And why does she do that? What does she get out of this relationship?

For Hoss, it was about exploring the pair’s relationship and what Sharon gets out of it. “I just wanted the observant Sharon to be in power of the situation and not being like… this leaf that just follows behind. Agency – she had agency.”

She understands that not every viewer might find an easy explanation to the pair’s relationship, with some feeling Sharon is a victim. “It’s complicated. [Humans] are very complicated beings, you know,” she said.

Detail

While the performances in Tár are pitch-perfect, everything surrounding them is too, from the stunning backdrop of the Berliner Philharmonie concert hall and its mid-century wooden curves, to the fancy restaurants Lydia meets her confidantes in, to the industrial loft where Lydia and Sharon live with their daughter Petra. 

Tár is so hyper-specific, so focused on being an evocative depiction of a particular milieu, that the audience can’t help but get wrapped up in the world of Lydia Tár, even as her behaviour gets more unhinged. 

There has been much discussion about the themes that Tár evokes, from cancel culture to gender parity. But it’s not a film that’s trying to be didactic; Field seems to care less about landing on a definitive answer than about exploring the character of Tár and what she might think about certain things.

That Juilliard scene, for example, ostensibly is about whether we in the 2020s should disregard art made by troubling artists. Some of Lydia’s behaviour towards the students is condescending. But what about the good points she makes too? The audience has to grapple with what they themselves make of this discussion – Tár isn’t going to lead them to an easy answer.

It also is not a film that tries to say ‘women are monsters too!’ (thankfully). Lydia Tár is in an unusual position, as female conductors are sadly a rare breed, though work is ongoing, including here in Ireland, to change that. As a result, some have argued that to place a woman who is in a minority in the role of a dangerous or misbehaving person is in its own way offensive.

Again, the film makes us think – is Lydia Tár prone to bad behaviour because she is a woman, or despite it? Is she right when she indicates, at the beginning of the film – which is structured around a public interview with Adam Gopnik of The New Yorker, in a handy on-screen info dump – that she is somehow outside of gender? Yes and no, the answer seems to be.

Tár is the sort of film that leads to long, knotty conversations afterwards, to teasing out what one scene says and what another one means. In refusing to be definitive about anything other than Lydia Tár’s intelligence, talent and ability to manipulate, it gives the viewer lots to chew on. Just like a great movie should. 

Tár is in cinemas from today.

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    @Keith Ellis: Not sure whether you’re technical or work with computers, but the hack was a HSE hack – not got to do with the app. The app/data hub feeds its figures from HSE sources (which is the part that’s affected) nothing got to do with the app whatsoever. Could be worth actually looking into what you’re spouting about rather than just talking nonsense. Again, the app was rolled out pretty quickly and many other countries have used our opensource code to create their own.

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    @Breda Kelly: Got my DCC e-mailed at 11.38am today. My second vaccination was on 20th June.

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    @Keith Ellis: never lose an opportunity for a good moan. I suppose you’re pi55ed off we have the 20th highest full vaccination rate.

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    @Paul Furey: nope Paul. Anything to get back dining indoors and away from the smokers. But I suppose that’s just me moaning again.

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    @Keith Ellis: to be fair, they didn’t say 19th July in which year…

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    @Keith Ellis: I got my 2 vaccines efficiently and on time! I got my cert by email this morning! I’m livid because this is NOT what I’m used to! I need to complain! On social media! Constantly!

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    2m / 25k = 80 working days. So basically end of October. Target set by EU was this day next week.
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    @Anthony Keenan: “The Government expects to issue up to 25,000 Covid-19 digital green certs for travel each day from the middle of this week after an initial block of nearly 2 million is approved for those already vaccinated.” Irish times.

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    @Séamus Heffernan: said he didn’t understand the first part. I tried posting links to articles but seems to be filtered out. But google td par rises and you’ll see 2 x from mid last year together and one in feb and one in last month. Thanks.

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    @Peter McGlynn: You mean the pay rises that came as part of a wider public sector pay restoration that you’ve nicely click-baited to stir the outrage of a particular section of the commenters here?

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    @Peter McGlynn: no they are issuing 2 million certs in the initial block, once those 2 million are issued then the rate would drop back to 25k certs per week.
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    @Peter McGlynn: before being so critical, you might want to read the article you are commenting about. 160k certificates have already been delivered and they expect to have 1.8m delivered by next Monday.

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    @Peter McGlynn: you are some whinger. 90% of those fully vaccinated will have their cert by next monday. If they could do that many in a short period of time, do you not think they will increase the output when required.
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    @John Buckley: I put my hand up – it was indeed the wording of the Irish times article that was misleading and actually a little click-baity. I’ll wait and see so.
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    @Peter McGlynn: where am I ignoring anything, I corrected your false information.
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    @Peter McGlynn: The opposition get those pay rises as well. Don’t remember any of them coming out at the time and turning it down.

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    @Roy Dowling: all Sinn Fein tds returned the payments.

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    @Peter McGlynn: Did you miss the bit where it said “after an initial block of nearly 2 million”? Those are probably all sent out by now. There will be about 25,000 per day after that – i.e. the people who are going to get their final vaccination each day.

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    As someone who is a host in a bar this is going to be a nightmare.

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    What is to stop you from taking a screenshot of your QR code and sending it to all your friends ?

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    @Barry Teehan: Common sense?

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    @Ajax Penumbra: Unfortunately lots of people don’t have common sense. They tried it here ( Netherlands ) and had a “test event” in a nightclub with 600 people who all were perceived to be all clear. A couple of days later over 160 had tested positive.

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    @Barry Teehan: It’s designed so businesses can reopen safely so maybe act like a decent human being by not taking the piss like that and sure if that doesn’t work the €2000 fine and possible prison sentence might

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    @Barry Teehan: There’s a Unique Certificate Identifier code on the cert (35 characters in length). It’s up to the premises/business to check the identity on the DCC against another form of personal ID.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:23 PM

    @David A. Murray: I’m not suggesting anyone do it David, but there are obviously ways around the system if nearly a third of the people in that nightclub ended up with the virus.

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    @Barry Teehan: nothing, but hopefully a bit of common sense will tell you not to.

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    @David A. Murray: it is so easy to make a false cert. Unless you can scan the QR code for validity, the rest can be anything.

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    @Barry Teehan: It has your name and date of birth on it too

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    @Barry Teehan: Because your info is encoded in the QR code. And you can be asked for ID to confirm. So if four Barry Teehans rock up to the pub and try to get in with a fake QR code, they might some other fake ID too

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    @Barry Teehan: Are all of your friends called Barry Teehan?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 5:24 PM

    @Barry Teehan: A €2000 fine?

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    Got mine’s in a Revenue envelope- near had heart failure!

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    Do we know how many cases of Covid19 have been found through the tracker App?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 12:56 PM

    @Claude Saulnier: Email the HSE.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:09 PM

    @Claude Saulnier: Loads.

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    @Tommy Berry: I expected investigation journalists to be on the case

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    Jul 13th 2021, 9:22 PM

    16,492 who tested positive uploaded their random IDs for matching with app user IDs. 25,428 received a close-contact alert from the apo.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 9:24 PM

    ‘from the app’

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:43 PM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: 25,428 from different households?

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    Jul 14th 2021, 12:00 AM

    @Claude Saulnier: I don’t know that. You’d have to ask the HSE. I think it means that they were near another person for more than 15 minutes. I don’t know how you calculate households from that. They might have been working together for all I know, or in a taxi or train.

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    Jul 14th 2021, 11:13 AM

    @Fiona Fitzgerald: given the range of bluetooth, the space between seats in trains or buses and other criteria, these figures can be read whichever way one decides to read them. And from the people who were close contacts, how many cought the virus.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 11:21 AM

    Cute

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    Jul 13th 2021, 1:30 PM

    If not vaccinated or recovered, will it be the case that you receive a pass alongside a negative test result (as an attachment in an email for eg)?

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:03 PM

    How will I know the email is the real thing.
    I got a email the pdf link has the EU flag with EI on it but the E is backwards.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 3:43 PM

    @Declan Carr: that’s the correct one alright. If you print the page, it prints as A4. You fold the page into a small four paged, little book. It fits in your wallet. Once that’s done the EI will look the way it’s supposed to. You don’t have to print it out though.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:00 PM

    will that also have instructions on how to fold it ? hmm liberal use of the word digital.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 2:46 PM

    @ed w: Some people have to print it, so instructed how to fold it.

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    Jul 13th 2021, 7:13 PM

    @ed w: yes, it does have instructions on how to fold it

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    Jul 13th 2021, 7:49 PM

    So who exactly is posting out letters to those vaccinated by GPs? HSE says its GPs, GPs say its not them…anyone know? SHAMBLES as ever!

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