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IRELAND IS ONE of a number of EU countries who have repackaged old promises as part of its pledged Covid recovery reforms, a new analysis has found.
The EU has set up a €700 billion fund to help economic recovery after the pandemic. What is unique about the programme is that payment is conditional on the achievement of pledged reforms to make the EU’s economy more resilient.
But upon closer inspection, several of these reforms are hardly revolutionary, with some measures already underway and others legally required by some countries regardless of the EU fund.
Ireland’s carbon tax promise is one example of this. Our government committed to raise its carbon tax by €7.50 annually as part of this EU funding agreement.
Dr Diarmuid Torney, co-director of DCU’s Centre for Climate and Society, said that this milestone was “an easy win” for the government as it was already a “long-standing commitment” with cross-party consensus. He added:
This was going to happen anyway.
In fact, the first two milestones as part of this measure – introducing legislation and a first increase of carbon tax – were already complete before the government submitted its plan to the European Commission in May 2021.
Like all member states, Ireland was required to submit such a plan before it could get any funding from the Recovery and Resilience Fund (RRF) – the €700 billion programme set up to help EU economies recover from the pandemic-induced lockdowns.
Ireland submitted one of the shortest plans and received one of the lowest amounts per citizen. In total, our plan is worth under €1 billion in funding.
Being compensated for measures that are already complete is something that member states pushed for during negotiations but was not initially included by the Commission.
This system of cash-for-reforms was introduced to gain the support from the so-called ‘frugal’ member states: the Netherlands, Austria, Sweden and Denmark.
The idea was for the system to be a kind of insurance policy to make sure that the money also contributed to making the economies of poorer member states more resilient against future economic shocks.
This arrangement was agreed at a five-day EU summit in Brussels in July 2020. Since then, the greater part of the Recovery and Resilience Fund has still to be disbursed, with the programme running until the end of 2026.
The Commission has so far disbursed €95 billion in grants and €47 billion in cheap loans. The total fund consists of €338 billion in grants and up to €386 billion in loans.
Ireland hasn’t received a cent as yet as the government hasn’t submitted its first payment request, with a number of its initial milestones to be completed as of its latest update to the Commission last year.
“Implementation of the overall plan is well underway,” according to a spokesperson for the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. They told Noteworthy:
“On 13 January 2023 following extensive engagement, the Commission adopted the Operational Arrangements for Ireland’s Recovery and Resilience Plan.”
These set out how the milestones and targets are to be monitored and “the next step” is their signing by Minister Paschal Donohoe as well as the European Commissioner for the Economy.
This system of cash for reforms has led to embarrassing delays for some countries, including Germany who made a bet on delivery of a Covid vaccine being developed by German pharmaceutical company CureVac.
The German government promised the Commission that it would invest €712 million in vaccine companies and that this would lead to a second approval request at the European Medicines Agency (EMA), in addition to the already approved Pfizer vaccine, developed with German company BioNTech.
But CureVac was unable to deliver. Following disappointing results regarding the vaccine’s effectiveness, the German company announced in October 2021 that it had decided to withdraw its vaccine candidacy from the approval process. In the end, Germany invested €121 million less than intended.
The failure was not only an embarrassment for CureVac, but it also put the German government in a difficult position, having repercussions beyond that specific investment as it was included in the country’s national Recovery and Resilience Plan.
A successful second vaccine was part of a package of 37 ‘milestones and targets’ Germany had promised to achieve before the Commission would pay Germany an RRF instalment of €4 billion.
As it had not achieved all of its goals, the Commission could reduce the German payment by an amount determined at its own discretion.
This is one of the reasons why the recovery fund is breaking new ground: member states do not receive money from the fund as reimbursements for specific costs, but only when they have fulfilled certain promises.
These are the so-called milestones and targets member states have included in their Recovery and Resilience Plans, which have been approved by the Commission and the other member states.
Ireland’s plan has 74 milestones and 35 targets across 16 investment projects and nine reform measures. These are split between three priority areas: Green Transition (€518m), Digital Reform (€291m) and Job Creation (€181m).
A team of international journalists led by Follow the Money and including Noteworthy as an Irish parter are collaborating under the banner of the #RecoveryFiles. We have investigated some of the promised reforms made by their member states and how they have been implemented so far.
This has resulted in a picture which varies greatly from country to country across the continent, but it also raises questions about how the RRF will be implemented in the coming years.
How has the innovative cash-for-reforms system worked until now? And what hurdles and political challenges are up ahead?
The Recovery Files is a pan-European research project investigating the Recovery and Resilience Facility, initiated by Follow the Money in 2021. You can find out more and help support the Irish contribution to this investigation here.
One discovery made during the investigation was that at least seven member states, including Ireland, had included measures in their plans which were actually not new at all.
Of the 46 milestones and targets which Ireland included in its plan for the first financial instalment, five had already been fulfilled before the other member states approved the Irish plan.
In addition to the carbon tax measures, two milestones were also completed in relation to “aggressive tax planning” in Q4 2020 and a “report on the supplementary pension landscape” was published in November 2020 which fulfilled a pension reform milestone.
Others were near completion at the end of May 2021 when the plan was submitted.
These included the entry into force of the Climate Action and Low Carbon Development (Amendment) Bill 2021 which was signed into law less than two months later on 23 July 2021, and just two days after the Commission endorsed Ireland’s plan.
An even higher proportion were fulfilled by Germany who had completed 23 out of 37 initial milestones and targets before plan approval. In other words, more than half of Germany’s promises for the first tranche required no effort.
One such milestone was the approval of a first vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, a condition which had already been met in December 2020 when the EMA approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Despite that, Germany included the approval of this vaccine as a to-be-achieved milestone when it submitted its plan on 28 April 2021.
According to documents made public following a request from Die Welt, the Commission pointed this out to Germany in its informal discussions about the draft plan. EU civil servants encouraged Germany to include a more ambitious goal – which is where the promise for a second vaccine came from.
It is unclear to what extent the Commission made similar suggestions to other countries – the Commission has refused access to many documents on discussions on member states’ plans. However, the Commission did approve all of the plans, including the six which included pre-achieved milestones.
The Netherlands proposed to achieve 26 milestones before it would request its first instalment. Of these, 13 had already been completed by 8 July 2022, the day the Netherlands submitted its plan to Brussels. One such milestone was the coming into force of a revised Open Government Act – something which had already happened on 1 May 2022.
This repackaging of old reforms was not what Ireland, the Netherlands, Germany and other member states originally had in mind.
A month before the decisive EU summit, Merkel was told by her civil servants that Germany could be “a role model” to other member states if its plan contained “an ambitious reform project”.
When Merkel and her colleagues signed off on setting up the pandemic fund in July 2020, they said that the national plans should include “the reform and investment agenda of the Member State concerned for the years 2021-2023”.
The Commission’s proposed legal text setting the detailed rules for the fund spoke of “the subsequent four years”.
But during parallel negotiations on these details, EU diplomats from the various member states were already changing which measures would be allowed as reforms and investments.
A number of member states wanted to be able to include reforms already agreed on or achieved, and investments already made.
A previously confidential document written in the same week as the summit has shown that diplomats from France, Cyprus, Latvia, Hungary and Malta were lobbying in favour of including old reforms and investments.
Following an ‘access to documents’ request from Follow the Money, the EU Council released a 250-page document which contained the positions of member states on the draft regulation.
The Maltese delegation argued that member states should be allowed “sufficient flexibility to include proposals for reforms that would have already taken place”.
France added that this was necessary because otherwise member states would “put off” reforms until they were RRF-eligible. Hungary argued – successfully – that reforms and investments “initiated by the member states after 1 February 2020” should be eligible.
Sweden and Austria were the only countries mentioned in the document as opposing it, although a spokesperson for the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that the Netherlands also “actively advocated” for not using the RRF to finance “existing measures”.
According to this confidential document, the Austrian delegation said: “Funding [at] the EU level should be used as a carrot for ambitious structural reform that would otherwise not take place.”
Given that context, it is surprising that Austria and the Netherlands ended up deciding to do the opposite of what they originally lobbied for. The Austrian think tank Momentum Institute found that of the investments announced in Austria’s ultimate recovery and resilience plan, only 4% were new.
An analysis by Noteworthy of Ireland’s plan found that a number of the projects were already planned or well underway. This includes the carbon tax milestone which our plans states “is a key policy lever in support of Ireland’s transition to a carbon neutral economy as set out in the 2020 Programme for Government”.
Another, the Schools Broadband Programme, has been ongoing in various iterations for more than a decade. It is currently funded and managed by the Department of Education at an annual cost of €13 million.
It was allocated €13.5 million under the RRF with targets of “installed routers in at least 750 primary schools” by the end of June 2022 and “at least 990 primary schools” by the end of September last year.
A spokesman for the Department of Education told Noteworthy that “in May 2021, some 900 primary schools were on high speed connectivity”. They added:
“That number has now increased to some 2,000 primary schools on high speed connectivity, delivered through commercial provision, the ongoing implementation of the National Broadband Plan and progress through the NRRP [National Recovery and Resilience Plan] project.”
The same RRF project on digital infrastructure in schools also had one of Ireland’s simplest milestones to achieve – publication of a circular to schools. This circular which detailed a grant scheme was sent to schools by the Department in November 2021.
Other projects in Ireland’s plan that were already planned or underway include the enhanced rehabilitation of Bord na Móna peatlands, the acceleration of investment to support electrified rail services in the Cork metropolitan area and retrofitting of buildings under the public sector Pathfinder Programme.
We also found several instances of member states including compulsory measures they are required to take as milestones or targets.
At least eight member states (Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Italy, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Spain) have included milestones or targets which promise to ‘transpose’ EU directives into national law, or which promise to achieve targets laid down in such directives.
But adapting national laws to reflect agreements laid down in a new EU directive – a process called transposition – is always obligatory, with or without the RRF, and these agreements come with deadlines. Yet the Commission has accepted milestones which promise directive transpositions later than the legally agreed deadline.
In some cases, the promises relate to measures member states should have taken a long time ago. In 1991, EU member states adopted a directive to make sure that urban waste water was properly treated, which included targets for 2000 and 2005.
Italy and Spain were among the countries not meeting those targets and the Commission even resorted to taking Italy and Spain to the Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) in 2019 and 2022 respectively.
However, the Commission also accepted the two southern countries using the RRF to finally meet these targets.
Italy promised that none of its inhabitants would be living “in agglomerations non-compliant” with the directive by the end of March 2026, while Spain promised to introduce measures “aiming at ensuring compliance” with the EU rules by mid-2023.
Italy also included eight (sub)targets for the increase of the share of the waste that it recycles by the end of 2025. But these are not originally from Italy either. Of this, Jean-Pierre Schweitzer, expert on EU waste legislation at the European Environmental Bureau, said:
These waste targets are already agreed, legally binding objectives within the packaging and packaging waste directive and the waste framework directive.
The same can be said about Italy’s promise to set up a national air pollution control programme by Q4 2021 (required since 1 April 2019), Bulgaria’s promise to define energy poverty by Q4 2022 (required since 31 December 2020) and Lithuania’s promise to make sure public sector websites are accessible to disabled people by Q1 2023 (required since 23 September 2020).
There are two ways of looking at this development. The recovery fund rules state that it cannot be used to pay for “recurring national expenditures” except in “duly justified cases”.
Politicians from ‘frugal’ countries may say that the Commission is rewarding member states with money from an EU fund for measures they are legally obliged to take anyway – and which other member states have paid for out of their own national budgets.
Those from southern or eastern EU countries may point out that there are still enormous differences between what member states can afford to spend.
The RRF grants are divided between the member states based on criteria that are supposed to make sure that the fund supports the countries heaviest-hit by the pandemic. That is why Germany has been allocated €28 billion, while Italy is due to receive €69 billion.
Another view is that the existing methods to make sure member states carry out common agreements like EU directives have their limitations.
Although the Commission has emphasised in a strategy paper published in October 2022 that the Recovery and Resilience Facility “is not an enforcement tool”, the system of milestones does give the Commission an additional device to make member states comply with EU laws.
That said, this would require the Commission to muster the political will to pick a fight. As political scientist Dr Tommaso Pavone said in an interview with Follow the Money last year, the Commission is showing a decreasing willingness to make sure member states enforce EU law in their own countries.
The crucial question for the RRF is: What will the Commission do if milestones or targets are not met or if member states backtrack?
There is some evidence to suggest that the Commission is willing and able to stand its ground. “The RRF does have added value and we have seen it pushing reforms across the finish line,” says Dr David Bokhorst, research fellow at the European University Institute.
In countries like Italy, you can also see that the system of milestones has stabilised long-term transformations.
In November 2022, the Commission disbursed €21 billion to Italy after it completed 45 milestones and targets. One of them was a new law which made companies accept electronic payments as a way of reducing tax evasion.
Shortly after receiving the funds, the Italian government made a proposal that would weaken the new law by waiving penalties for transactions below €60. Following criticism from Brussels, Italy quickly decided to scrap the proposed change in law.
While Italy has already received €67 billion from the RRF (€29 billion of which is in grants it does not have to repay), it can still expect a further €123 billion up to 2026. However, if the Commission detects any backtracking with regard to past milestones, it can decide to withhold the funds.
Most of the attention will probably go to how the Commission is going to react to payment requests from Poland and Hungary, which first need to resolve core rule of law issues before they can receive any RRF money.
The Polish government will have to fulfil several milestones related to this, including the status of judges who were suspended by the Disciplinary Chamber of the Supreme Court – an institution the Court of Justice has ruled lacks political independence.
EU justice commissioner Didier Reynders said earlier this month that a new draft law amending the law on the Supreme Court was “a promising step forward” towards complying with the promises in Poland’s Recovery and Resilience Plan. With almost €3 billion for the first RRF instalment at stake, the bill passed in the Sejm – the lower house of parliament – a few days later.
However, some have concerns as Poland merely promised a reform which ensured that the affected judges “have access to review proceedings of their cases”. This promise does not guarantee that the judges will be reinstated, which was what the Court of Justice demanded.
In August 2022, four groups of European judges filed a lawsuit before the Court of Justice to reverse the member states’ approval of the Polish recovery and resilience plan.
In a statement, the organisations said that the Polish milestones “fall short of what is required to ensure effective protection of the independence of judges and the judiciary and disregard the judgments of the CJEU on the matter”.
The Commission can also expect other, smaller test cases, which will elicit less attention than its high-profile rule of law battles with Poland and Hungary.
One is the payment request for €3 billion that Romania submitted in mid-December 2022. The Commission will have to determine whether Romania fulfilled the milestone which promised the transposition of the EU whistleblowers’ protection directive.
The draft Romanian law implementing those rules has been heavily criticised by the European Public Prosecutor’s Office (EPPO), which feared that the law offered so little protection, it would actually discourage potential whistleblowers in Romania. Although the text was amended before it became law, concerns remain.
Another issue involves an Irish milestone. Ireland promised to raise its carbon tax annually, thus making the use of fuels with high CO2 emissions less attractive.
But while our government did increase the carbon tax rate as promised, it also adopted a number of measures that can be seen as offsetting the measure’s effect, like providing households with energy credits worth €800.
In a press release from last April, the government stated that a reduction in VAT on gas and electricity would “more than offset the increase in carbon tax”.
DCU’s Dr Diarmuid Torney said that the risk is that these “supposedly temporary” cost of living measures would become permanent as “it is politically difficult to reverse [measures] that make the cost of fuels cheaper”.
The European Commission’s assessment of Ireland’s plan stated that carbon tax is “expected to help decarbonise the economy”.
When asked about the impact energy supports are having on this ambition, a spokesperson for the Department of Finance said that the Commission has been provided with “full details and evidence of the implementation of carbon tax rate increases”.
The RRF regulation states that there should be “satisfactory fulfilment” of the milestones and targets, leaving a margin of discretion for the Commission.
What is still unclear, however, is what would happen if the Commission determines that one or several of the milestones or targets whose fulfilment is required for a financial instalment has not been “satisfactorily fulfilled”.
Although the Recovery and Resilience Facility is not due to be evaluated until February 2024, there are signs that the model of payments linked to milestones and targets is already becoming a blueprint for other EU funds.
In June 2021, the Commission proposed establishing a Social Climate Fund. This fund is meant to compensate Europe’s poorest households for the costs of the energy transition.
The draft legislation setting up the fund proposed that member states would be required to submit national plans to Brussels, in which they would promise milestones and targets. The reimbursement of money from the fund would then be conditional on the fulfilment of those milestones and targets – exactly the way it works with the RRF.
When asked about this comparison, the Commission would only acknowledge that the Social Climate Fund, like the RRF, “is a plan-based and results-oriented financial instrument. However, the characteristics of the Social Climate Fund, including its objectives, target groups, duration and eligible measures, are rather specific and different from the Recovery and Resilience Facility.”
The European Court of Auditors did state that the plan for the Social Climate Fund “builds on basic features from the Recovery and Resilience Facility”, and stressed “the importance of drawing on lessons learned from the implementation of the RRF”.
The auditors warned that it should be made clearer when milestones and targets can be considered “satisfactorily fulfilled”.
Researcher Dr David Bokhorst points out that the Commission will have to monitor more than 5,000 milestones and targets, with the easy ones having been set for the first years of the fund’s lifetime. He added:
“The really difficult targets have yet to be achieved and are scheduled to be fulfilled in 2025 and 2026.”
He highlights one of Portugal’s targets – to enrol 800,000 participants in the Portugal Digital Academy programme by the third quarter of 2025. “That is 8% of the entire population. How can we make sure they all follow these training courses? What is the quality of those training courses?”
A target in Ireland’s plan involving a large number of people is the enrollment of at least 430,000 patients – just over 8% of the entire population – “with chronic disease or high risk of chronic disease” in a component of the Chronic Disease Management Programme by the end of this year.
This programme was introduced by the 2019 GP agreement, with patients who are enrolled in it having “two scheduled reviews in a 12-month period”.
Last September, the European Court of Auditors explained in a report why difficult targets could become a problem. It said:
The amount paid in a specific instalment is not necessarily based on the estimated costs for achieving the milestones and targets included in the payment request, but rather a result of the negotiations with the member state in question.
As a result, in the case of partial fulfilment of milestones, it would be “difficult to determine which reduction would be appropriate”.
The auditors urged the Commission to establish a method to calculate how to reduce payments in the case of failed milestones, so that each member state is treated equally.
The Commission told Follow the Money that it is “following up on the European Court of Auditors” recommendation to the Commission to prepare a partial payment methodology, but declined to say when this would be ready.
It has apparently not needed such a methodology for the 20 milestone-related payment requests it has received so far. These were made to 11 out of 27 member states who have so far fulfilled their first milestones and targets.
A spokesperson for the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform told Noteworthy that Ireland’s first payment request process “began in December with annual payment claims to follow until 2026″.
The first step is an informal cooperation process between the Commission and Ireland. Upon completion of this informal process, Ireland will present a formal payment request to the Commission.
The Commission then checks for “the satisfactory fulfilment of Ireland’s milestones and targets”. Following this, the payment request “is considered by Council after which the Commission processes the payment”, the spokesperson added.
Several member states are clearly holding off on submitting payment requests until they have acquired informal confirmation from the Commission that the required goals have been reached.
Germany is one such country, having originally planned to send a payment request in mid-2022. After the CureVac setback, the government decided to wait.
In December 2022, it submitted a new version of its national plan with amended goals. This will now have to be approved by the Commission and other member states. The German finance ministry expects to be able to send the delayed payment request in Spring 2023.
That Germany, the EU’s largest and richest member state, would be one of the first countries to tell the Commission that it would be unable to fulfil all its promises was probably not what Merkel had in mind when she left Brussels after the marathon summit in July 2020.
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By Maria Delaney of Noteworthy and Peter Teffer of Follow the Money
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What’s the problem with naming the hotel
If they wrote the letter name the hotel
That the hotel and other hotels will
simply refuse DCC’s requests to accommodate homeless people or will insist on charging them the standard rack rate if it is shown as likely to generate bad PR.
I have no doubt the hotel is getting a good price for the rooms,hotels are not in the habit of doing Dublin City Council favours, Name and Shame the Hotel.
Hotels can refuse on many grounds that aren’t discriminatory as they are normal policies which apply to all guests.
Most won’t accept an open ended reservation, limit stays to a maximum 30 days, require a credit card in the registered guest’s name…
They are doing them a favor by accommodating homeless people period. As the journal published yesterday. Hotel rates and prices in the capital are at an all time high. They aren’t exactly crying out for the business.
If the room is paid for and the Guest does not have a history of damaging rooms, Then the the hotel has NO right of refusal. Name the F*****s and shame them.
It’s easy to bad mouth hotel but there has to be rules and regulations for the safety of everyone involved and to protect the hotel property. Even regular hotel customers have to abide by certain rules.Imagine if council comes with an monetary arrangements, how many of us will be ready to house them in our own homes?
When was the last time You stayed in a hotel that told You park somewhere else and use the back door?
We all agree that rules must apply, But the same rules should apply to all, Not extra rules because you are down on your luck.
@Brian you are right but it looks like that these rules are made by council so as to avoid damages or confrontation of any sort where council has to pay on the behalf of the homeless people e.g suppose one’s car is scratched or damaged in parking lot inadvertently, who will be responsible?
@Rogue Who is responsible in the normal course of things? The mistake being made here is that Long term Homeless with drink and alcohol problems are being housed in Hotels, That may be the case in some places, But the majority of families being forced to stay in hotels ware in rented accommodation until very recently, But the limits on rent allowance has forced them onto the streets. The obvious solution is to increase rent allowance in proportion with rising rent. I happen to know one Young family living in a hotel for the last year, I’ll bet the hotel bill is higher than the rent increase they needed in the first place.
Playing the blame game in this is pointless. It a symptom of a far greater problem.
I know (not personally) a few people who have practically lived in hotels in Dublin. They were actors, screen writes and the like.
If I go to any capital city in Europe and pay top rates to stay there I do not expect families on welfare running around the hotel without any controls.
This is Emergancy accommodation that the hotel are providing because our government and councils have not done the job they are paid to do.
@Chris Mcdonnell. Why on earth would You think that because someone is going trough a tough time , Their kids would be running around without control?
I have stayed in hotels all around the world, And By far the most misbehaved children ware the children of the well off and privileged.
I wish I could contact Catherine who wrote this article. I sent emails but they are not going through. I have a both heartbreaking and hair raising story to tell re: tus nua a DePaul charity in Finglas.
Well, that’ll help the self-esteem of people who are down on their luck…nothing like being made to feel worthless and ashamed to help give you the spirit to lift yourself out of a bad spot. That has made me sick.
It’s pretty messed up alright, no doubt about that
‘It is understood that the rules were drawn up on behalf of Dublin City Council’. So, is the issue with the Council or with a specific hotel? If it’s a Council ruling does it not apply to all designated hotels providing accommodation on behalf of the Council? Either way, it’s draconian.
Just because someone is unfortunate enough to be homeless doesn’t mean they should be officially treated like second class citizens. The curfew aspect is despicable
When some of these families return to their home country they won’t have a good word to say about Ireland and the cruel welfare system we operate.
The land of 1000 welcomes me ar$e.
@ wiklagirl…..” rules drawn up on behalf of DCC” , well , when there is anti-social bahaviour in DCC estates how come the rules arent so quickly enforced!
Isn’t that the most fantastic part of it. When they leave they won’t be encouraging more leeches to come. Excellent.
It’s undoubtedly harsh, but, I suppose, beggars cannot be choosers.
The girl on Liveline today was from Finglas Not Kinshasa, What do You mean by ” Home Country” ?
most families in hotel are irish fool, this is happening to irish families not that it should make a difference we prove time and time again that kids and single mothers dont count in this country, have them{family} come in through the side entrance dont let any1 see and through them into a room and trough away the key.Unfortunatly more and more irish people just dont care and i blame all of it on fine gael – they have push this country and the peoples syky to a horrible unfreindly place.
What a horrible , old fashioned , and mean thing to say – well done you !
As I said earlier in the week, I actually saw local families who had been forced into that situation in a Dublin hotel on Tuesday morning. Shocking that it’s been allowed to happen.give these people their dignity. I can understand no grills or drying clothes in the rooms, but use the back door. The government needs to hang its head in shame. But at least it deflects from iw.
explain” Leeches”
how many of you would pick the hotel or hostel in the city you are travelling to if it mentioned on the site or tripadvisor that it was also a homeless hostel?
Is that not the point, Force the hote to treat all residents equal? Name this Hotel today and sure as F**k any hotel with similar policies will stop tomorrow.
Discovering the hotel I chose was being used as a facility for people without a house would not stop me from staying there. Hearing they implemented these draconian rules would.
Brian, I am not saying I agree or disagree with either side here (as I think that its pointless; there’s a much larger issue here), but this is someone’s livelihood also. Would you compromise your business by not introducing rules that have had to have been borne form some previous experience??? I think you should calm down a tad on the hotel bashing. No fire without smoke. Sadly smoke can tarnish everyone’s clothing…
@Oisin, Firstly, I’m a very clam individual.
I’m not “Hotel” Bashing, I’m having a go at “individual” hotels who would issue this disgraceful list. Unlike them who are targeting “everyone”.
They are compromising their own business by treating some paying guests differantly than other paying guests. Let me ask You,If You went into any hotel and ware told You get a better room and treatment if you own your own home, Would you stay thare? I wouldn’t.
Maybe the hotel do not want the guests who are actually paying rip off amounts off money to be disturbed? If this is the case then it should be used solely for people who are unfortunate enough to be in this situation. After all, it’s fair exchange to me it seems. Rules seem reasonable to me….no smoking or cooking in rooms and no visitors after eleven at night. I mean seriously who has visitors at that time? And no children under 18 allowed be on their own? That’s allowable too
Yeah because the council got discount rates, the homeless should be treated differently than their fellow human.How very reasonable of them.
I don’t believe the council got discount rates.
Have to agree with Mary all Bar the car park (not sure why when rooms are paid for) seem fairly reasonable the resonance for grills or toasters is due to fire safety & drying clothes not room causes damn smells. Rules don’t seem harsh to me after all its a hotel not a block of flats to be fair. The rules apply to all guests.
Not sure why they have to use a different entrance either that and car park are only ones I would have an issue with tbh rest are in line with regular rules.
Not using the main door could be as simple as one or more hotels had to highlight to DCC that some long term residents were traipsing out for a smoke every 30 minutes as they are bored off their chops. As a hotel where it’s front door is an important representation of the establishment will take issue with the same people who for all we know have been chain smoking in their fluffy pj’s every day when guests are arriving. Just like anywhere, guests there for the weekend are giving privileges where someone living there for months must have more rules imposed.
Why can they not just build concentration camps for these people and be done with it. Talk about humiliation.
I’m sure those in concentration camps would have picked a free hotel room with a few conditions of stay over certain death.
Ireland has become a disgusting country and the present government does not give a damn (they are only interested to get re-elected) the fat cats have gotten fatter thanks to FG forget about LAB as the moaner Joan has committed political suicide with Jobstown . The vast majority of the present government are completely out of touch with reality, they have jumped onto the gravy train and live in another world. But they will get a deserved wallop in the next election. The Government has abused and lied to the electorate but the electorate have woken up.
Why dont you leave Ireland if its disgusting. You do know where Dublin Airport is.
I am an Irish citizen but I don’t live in Ireland, I got my ass out there a longtime ago.
“Why don’t you leave ireland”
FFS – such childishness
Another Blue Shirt?
I really doubt Fine Gael will be getting much of a wallop in the next election. People knew what they were getting when they voted for them.
I think the shocker was that Labour didn’t do much to soften the blows. They are finished in government for a long time to come for sure.
Just someone very deluded and has no empathy for Irish citizens I’d guess Paul.
“such childishness” so you go and visit the Phoenix park tonight, Mount joy Square and anywhere else on Dublin streets and count the number of children sleeping rough and then come back to me and speak about “childishness”
This was directed at Mr. Canning.
Everyone is entitled to their option and free speech .
Stephen I think you’re wrong there alot of FG supporter’s at the last election are leaving in their droves.24% at last poll quite down from the lofty heights of 36%.
@Paul – my comment SPECIFICALLY refers to your suggestion, as quoted in the comment.
And I stand by it – so please, next time you want to be childish, please don’t confirm it by trying to deflect from your original stupid and irrelevant comment.
@Norman – As we all know polls in this day and age are rather meaningless and change constantly. Look at the recent UK general election for that. The exit polls were the only ones that were accurate.
You may be right that support for FG is down overall but for people like me who never voted for them, I am left asking myself who to vote for now?
I voted for Labour last time but my politics have changed since then so they won’t be getting it. SF and the Anti People Socialist Austerity Alliance or whatever they are called will never get a look at from my vote. Fianna Fail don’t deserve my vote with their weak leadership and popular politics. Independents never achieve anything. So I’m left in a situation where I may as well let Fine Gael finish the job they started, after all they have achieved some positive things, even though I don’t particularly like them.
Obviously this is as things stand now. Lots can change in the coming months.
Stephen FG are following the plan as put in place by the late Brian Lenihen so those FF that loaned their vote to FG will return to FF as there is no difference between the 2.Independents will decide the outcome of the next GE unless FF go in with FG.
Sorry son, but you would have to be a complete idiot to vote for FG.
@Norman – I just don’t see independents as contenders for anything, they are too fractured and even more so than other politicians, they take on popular issues mostly.
@ Arnie – Give me an alternative and a reason to vote for them, lad. I;ll consider all options.
Yes, vote for the party that destroyed the country financially.
So homeless people are to be treated differently to other citizens of the state .Worked well in America and South Africa.
Treating them a sub human. Those rules are a disgrace how dare they.
Well done Labour you must be proud of yourselves. Looking forward to iPhone Joan testifying about her “imprisonment” shortly before the next election. Sure to garner votes that story.
Yes Kerry Blake, her imprisoned in her car, paid for by us, the taxpayer, for a couple of hours and now look at these poor families, imprisoned in one room and God only knows for how long!! This government are so stuck up their own asses it makes my blood boil!!!
Unreal, well this is what you get when you elect teachers etc to run your country the lack of a statesman is evident. And as for the idiots that think this will never happen to them or their extended families good luck to them.
Very little being done to solve the homeless crisis, yet a Minister can spare the time to discuss spending up to 100,000 euro to put an asylum seeker through university.
**Carol Oates
Very little being done to solve the homeless crisis, yet a Minister can spare the time to discuss spending up to 100,000 euro to put an asylum seeker through university.**
Ironically, that asylum seeker probably speaks much better Irish than a waste of space like you Carol.
I wish we could ship out the bigots like you.
Bless your ignorance. I can tell you I know many people from overseas who have better English than I have. One of my good friends is Russian and has corrected me on more than one occasion. So your slur is wasted on me. It’s not a competition on who is smarter or who paid more attention in English class. It is a question of funds and social responsibility of the people who are supposed to be in government. Do you honestly believe we should even be considering paying university fees for one particular student to that extent when there are kids sleeping in cars and sleeping bags in Dublin parks? Not to mention the legal precedent it would set for other students from overseas at the cost of homeless, health, and other services in Ireland. If you do, there is no reasoning with you.
carol,very well said
If they don’t like the rules, they should do what the rest of us do, get a job and pay the market rate for a house. They can do as they wish then.
Many of these families aren’t allowed to work because they are from overseas. It isn’t their fault that they can’t work. It’s the system.
Why are they here if they can’t work?
Ah, the halfwit racists and bigots crawl out of the woodwork…
A lot of gullible idiots like yourself with their head up their holes also come out of the woodwork proclaiming anybody who has the audacity to question multiculturalism is a racist.
Harsh
…and probably illegal. It’s a hotel, not a work house.
If that’s how they treat their guest, someone would want to check on how they treat their staff.
Their a lot more rules you have to adhere to when you ” bust your gut working”to get a mortgage… and a lot more hardship.
A lot more hardship than sleeping on the streets? Get real!
House of Cards – it will get worse – can see these Hotels declining acceptance as the numbers grow.
What a mess the Government has created.
Why can’t we actually read the attached docs on Android phones? Very annoying Journal.
I can on my Android phone.
Good for you. I, and many others, can’t as it’s too blurry.
No fear of our Minister for Social Protection having to use the tradesman’s entrance her being a champagne socialist.
I can read it fine. Have you tried cleaning your glasses?
Áine, no need to be rude about it. Your post spoke for all Android phone users. I am merely pointing out that this doesn’t include me. This may then be an issue with your phone or software, rather than being TheJournal.ie’s fault as you seem to be suggesting.
Yeah. It’s fine on both my Androids too.
it’s perfect on my android.
Áine has a cheap phone, poor girl.
Open up Farmleagh for these people that would help.
As joe Duffy said today prisoners are treated better..
Prisoners are not treated better. What does rich Joe Duffy know about prison?
His first job was a probation officer.
it’s amazing how other hotel residents object to having what they call ” these” people in the hotel. the whole system is wrong but there are people I know staying in hotels and guesthouses who go to their relatives for the day but have to keep staying or otherwise they are not seen to be homeless and therefore not eligible to be rehomed
By relatives, do you mean the house where the father of the children lives?
Well OTV you should report them if you have any proof….
It is an outrage that families travel all the way to Ireland for a better life, and when they get here, this is how they are treated.
Hopefully the government invests the 18 million that is due and we can then welcome of flood of needy families from across europe and beyond. Once word gets out that Irish eyes are smiling and we have an apartment for them if they need it.
I really hope you are taking the piss.
Oh cool, there are no irish homeless people. Excellent. Glad you cleared that up.
Not good for Alan Kelly the silence has been deafening since the start of the week.
Why destroy people dignity..Name the hotel and cancel all bookings and seek alternatives..This hotel gets paid in full therefore all customers should be treated equally..
They are being paid for these families as guests and they should be treated as guests. What do they think they are going to do? I am so angry at this insult to people. Bad enough that you have to live in an hotel with your children but to be treated as a second class citizen as well, is true humiliation.
Yes. Bang on Siobhan.
Maybe the authoritarians might like if these folk would wear some identifying mark in case one of them slips through the front door. If only they had a distinguishing feature to make them stand out.
For those of you wondering what hotel it is, Google hotel gastro bar Dublin.
You mean to tell me that there allowed to use irish water for free. there really giving these folks the full cead mile failte.
I’ll make sure each of my four kids leave this joke of a country as soon as they’ve finished school and give themselves a decent quality of life away from this f***in embarrassment of a kip
Oh jay, not a very positive attitude. You’re putting me off having kids, All
Together!
Yes this is indeed the Dracula hotel in malahide!!! I reckon the inmates in our prisons are being treated better. I heard about their antics from a friend who was unfortunate enough to end up living there. Her husband passed away last year and the greedy landlord decided he wanted her out so he could increase the rent. So she is currently residing there. Horrendous situation to be in.
since January the woman hasn’t been able to find alternative accommodation for her family within her budget or choosing not to ?
Not being able to use the front door. Says it all.
“Allowing visitors to enter the hotel.
Leaving children under the age of 18 unaccompanied on the premises.
Smoking and drinking on site.”
I have worked in dcc emergency housing and those rules are there for very good reason. Not all residents would allow it but often unsupervised 3-9 year olds running all over a building with loom bands, biscuits, sausages, ketchup, bread, slices of cheese, football’s, not to mention no shoes and other health and safety issues. Kids should be supervised, visitors aren’t allowed for safety of all residents, smoking/drinking happened where I worked – a family was cancelled once for repeatedly smoking in common Hall and putting out cigs in carpet. It is not easy to cancel an apartment.
I am in no way defending the current situation, for one where I worked the residents had fully equipped apartments with dishwasher, cooking facilities etc etc and it’s outrageous to expect families to go without a way to cook or do laundry. Even at that, the accommodation is supposed to be temporary and many families I knew were stuck unable to have visitors/signing in at 11pm for over a year. There are so many more important things this article could address than necessary rules for families safety.
People need an incentive to work, there needs to be a time limit on how long we are allowed claim rent allowance and welfare. Otherwise our taxes are claimed as someone else’s right. In other countries these families would not be helped, using a back door in exchange for emergency accommodation?!? Come on it could be far worse!!
Is this hotel in malahide??
All that money spent on Irish water could have gone into helping families secure homes and not have to live like this.
Everytime one sees Health & Safety quoted as a reason one should seek evidence. I wonder how many guests have been injured when frequenting other guests rooms. My guess is no more than have come to harm while languishing alone.
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