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Church of England considering alternatives to calling God ‘he’

Any potential alterations would mark a departure from traditional Jewish and Christian teachings dating back millennia.

THE CHURCH OF England is considering alternatives to referring to God as “he” after priests asked to be allowed to use gender-neutral terms instead.

The Church said it would launch a new project on the matter in the spring to decide whether to propose changes or not.

Any potential alterations, which would mark a departure from traditional Jewish and Christian teachings dating back millennia, would have to be approved by synod, the Church’s decision-making body.

The Rt Rev Dr Michael Ipgrave, Bishop of Lichfield and vice-chair of the liturgical commission responsible for the matter, said the Church had been “exploring the use of gendered language in relation to God for several years”.

“After some dialogue between the two Commissions in this area, a new joint project on gendered language will begin this spring,” he said.

“In common with other potential changes to authorised liturgical provision, changing the wording and number of authorised forms of absolution would require a full Synodical process for approval.”

The specifics of the project are as yet unclear.

The bishop’s comments came in response to a question asked at synod by the Rev Joanna Stobart, vicar of Ilminster and Whitelackington in Somerset, about the progress on developing “more inclusive language” in services.

It is currently unclear what would replace the term Our Father in the Lord’s Prayer, the central Christian prayer which Jesus Christ is said to have instructed his followers to say together down the generations.

Conservative critics have hit back at the possibility of changes, with the Rev Dr Ian Paul telling the Telegraph that they would represent an abandonment of the Church’s own doctrine.

He said: “The fact that God is called ‘Father’ can’t be substituted by ‘Mother’ without changing meaning, nor can it be gender-neutralised to ‘Parent’ without loss of meaning.

“Fathers and mothers are not interchangeable but relate to their offspring in different ways.

“If the liturgical commission seeks to change this, then in an important way they will be moving the doctrine of the Church away from being grounded in the scriptures.”

A spokesman for the Church of England said: “This is nothing new. Christians have recognised since ancient times that God is neither male nor female, yet the variety of ways of addressing and describing God found in scripture has not always been reflected in our worship.

“There has been greater interest in exploring new language since the introduction of our current forms of service in contemporary language more than 20 years ago.

“As part of its regular programme of work for the next five years, the Liturgical Commission has asked the Faith and Order Commission to work with it on looking at these questions.

“There are absolutely no plans to abolish or substantially revise currently authorised liturgies, and no such changes could be made without extensive legislation.”

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    Mute I Crow
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 1:53 PM

    Since when are big bag of cans with the lads classed as groceries?

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    Mute Bilbo Baggins
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:18 PM

    @I Crow: They’re more than groceries , they’re staples!!!

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    Mute mcgoo
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:19 PM

    I’m basically 95% Bulmers and 5% Iceberger these days.

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    Mute Pajo Mata
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:17 PM

    That’s hilarious. Heatwave- buy extra groceries, clothes, furniture, toys…. Poor weather conditions- buy extra groceries, clothes, toys. Buy buy buy!

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    Mute Martin Sinnott
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 1:55 PM

    Where do kantar get these figures ? How accurate are they. Dunnes, lild and Aldi are private companies and don’t give out this information.

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    Mute Pajo Mata
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:21 PM

    @Martin Sinnott: from the named research firm in the article. You are very suspicious. Hope you haven’t had a bad experience in the past making you not trust people.

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    Mute Dave Hammond
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:59 PM

    @Martin Sinnott: private companies supply data all the time for many reasons , they want to know how they are performing in market share ? They want to compare how their competitors are performing , research is conducted all the time for all kinds of data , mobile companies want to know their market share , car companies the list is endless , being private companies doesn’t mean they won’t share performance information , most industries have some credible source , in this case kantar are the reputable research company and as they monitor the data ongoing basis you can sure it is pretty accurate actually

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    Mute David Dickson
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:12 PM

    @Dave Hammond: Lidl/Aldi are on top now with 23.1% and they are the best.

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    Mute Rochelle
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 5:10 PM

    @Martin Sinnott: They give a sample audience scanners and pay them to record their weekly shopping (you can apply for those positions), that data is used for the trends and market share projections.
    Only part of the data is made public, the specifics are sold back to the supermarkets.

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    Mute Dotty Dunleary
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 1:55 PM

    The price of a bottle of sunscreen is just amazing €10 to €15 on average!

    Previously for at home in Ireland one bottle of factor 15 would still have a good bit left in it for at least 2 or 3 years…

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    Mute DaisyMay
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:16 PM

    @Dotty Dunleary: try Aldi’s sunscreen

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    Mute Bilbo Baggins
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:21 PM

    @Dotty Dunleary: I wonder what street it is you’re buying your sunscreen on, because it’s not the same street as I’m buying my sunscreen on. Down to Lildi with ya.

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    Mute Sam Harms
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:14 PM

    @Dotty Dunleary: I paid €30 for a bottle in the Dominican Republic last year, €10-15 is cheap in comparison!

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    Mute Dotty Dunleary
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 4:05 PM

    @DaisyMay: If I wanted to end up like a lobster attracting flies I will! :-D

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    Mute Dotty Dunleary
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 4:05 PM

    @Sam Harms: Big windows in that shop for tourists I’d say!

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    Mute The Bull McCabe
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:39 PM

    I thought the country was broke?

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    Mute Dáithí
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:25 PM

    @The Bull McCabe: your about 7 years behind , nearly a full employment now.

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    Mute Artur Gurta
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 5:11 PM

    SuperValu dying a slow death. No value= lower sales. They been slipping constantly on this market research but done nothing about it?

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    Mute sue
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 8:04 PM

    @Artur Gurta: not what i read recently. Ill try and find the article for you

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    Mute Peter Murphy
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 4:57 PM

    How can four million people spend twenty seven pounds on groceries

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    Mute Quentin Moriarty
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 10:33 PM

    @Peter Murphy: bags of ice probably account for 12 million

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    Mute eastsmer
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:38 PM

    They normally wait outside the doors of these supermarkets to ask buyers for their receipts for to do the market research.

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    Mute Kevin Cashin
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 2:37 PM

    How can Supervalue sales only go up 0.1% and all others roughly 2.5 %?

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    Mute Me_a_monkey
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 3:11 PM

    @Kevin Cashin: because they’re expensive and they’re products have gone downhill

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    Mute Nick Drake
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 5:38 PM

    @Me_a_monkey: *their

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    Mute James O'Brien
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    Jul 2nd 2018, 5:14 PM

    No thanks to the propaganda spread by some media outlets.

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