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'Onus on us all to challenge narrative that single males pose threat to communities', TDs told

The Department of Integration says finding accommodation for asylum seekers is “extremely difficult”.

LAST UPDATE | 16 Feb 2023

THERE IS AN onus on politicians and Government to challenge the narrative that single males arriving under the International Protection Accommodation Service (IPAS) pose a threat to communities, according to Secretary General of the Integration Department, Kevin McCarthy. 

The Public Accounts Committee (PAC) was told that the department is seeing a significant reluctance among providers to provide accommodation for international protection applicants. 

The secretary general said the department has run into particular challenges in accommodating single males. 

“It is a particular challenge as I mentioned with single males, because a narrative seems to have gotten out there that single males somehow present a threat to communities – there is no evidence.

“In fact, the evidence over the 22 years is to the contrary. So it is a narrative we need to challenge. These people do not present a threat to communities. I think there is an onus on all of us to challenge that narrative, but certainly it has fed into a reluctance and we are seeing the impact of that in trying to secure contracts for international protection,” said McCarthy. 

The secretary general was also asked if the protests that have taken place across the country outside accommodation facilities have had an impact on providers renewing contracts with the State.

“There is no question that there is a considerable reluctance on the part of providers to become involved in international protection provision, a reluctance we don’t see on the Ukraine front. So that has been a huge challenge,” he told the committee. 

Screenshot - 2023-02-16T114311.092 Secretary General of the Integration Department, Kevin McCarthy.

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“The protests are not helpful from that point of view, to be perfectly frank about it,” he added. 

He said providers are now hesitant, stating that they have “concerns and fears around bringing trouble onto themselves, on to their communities, so that is certainly a challenge”. 

A number of politicians raised the issue of the lack of consultation with local representatives about the use of some buildings in their area. 

Sinn Féin’s Matt Carthy disputed a department statement that before the opening of a facility that engagement with local politicians would take place. He said that is not the case and politicians often find out along with everyone else. 

Social Democrats c0-leader Catherine Murphy gave a number of examples where she was only informed retrospectively. 

McCarthy told politicians th window in which the department can inform politicians is often narrow, stating that they are only told when a contract has been signed off on and secured. 

“For reasons beyond our control” McCarthy said information can be leaked, however he acknowledged the need a better level of engagement with local representatives and communities. 

“We operate on trust,” Murphy told the secretary general, stating that there is a level of disrespect there that they cannot impart information to their constituents. 

“At the very least, what people expect from us is to be honest with them,” she said. 

A group within the senior officials group is looking at the whole issue of communications, including the timing of the release of information safely, said McCarthy. 

McCarthy said due to the “sheer scale and urgency of need” to provide accommodation to people arriving into Ireland, the time window for consultation with communities is limited.

However, he said the department is aware of the need to address “information deficits” within communities.

“We are committed to working with elected representatives, local authorities and local communities in this regard to ensure that local dialogue is fact based and to counter misinformation that is used in some instances to generate fear and resistance,” McCarthy said. 

Loss of 3,000 bed spaces ‘conservative’

Concerns were also raised at today’s committee meeting over the ending of State contracts with 700 providers, with many of the contracts due to expire in March. 

McCarthy said that contracts to house Ukrainians have not been lost to date, but on the international protection front the department is losing contracts “which creates a difficulty for us”. 

He said the new accommodation contract that has come into effect sets out that refugees  will now pay for their own meals. The secretary general said that there is a clear risk of losing contracts, adding that the estimate that 3,000 spaces will be lost is a “conservative” estimate. 

“We have to plan on assumption that a number of people will decide not to renew,” he said, adding that there will be a significant shortfall across April and May. 

The committee was told there are now 172 emergency accommodation centres accommodating international protection refugees, with the estimated expenditure for 2023 coming in at €363 million – an increase of 9% on 2022 expenditure.

Second transit hub ready in months

McCarthy said the department is also in negotiations in relation to the procurement of a second transit hub, separate to the Citywest complex, which has come under significant pressure in recent weeks. 

It is hoped the new transit hub will be ready in the next number of months.

The second transit hub should “take pressure off” the Citywest hub, said the secretary general, who added that the January decision to pause entry into the overflow facility was “taken over concerns of the impact of the sheer numbers that were arriving”. 

Having a second transit hub “doesn’t necessarily solve our problem”, he added, stating that, to date, the State has not been able to provide accommodation to 203 people. 

The broader accommodation concerns still stand, said McCarthy, stating that in the absence of the procurement of onward additional accommodation “we will quickly run into the same problem again, to be frank about it”.

When asked about some hoteliers running into problems with getting payments from the State, McCarthy said that additional resources have now been put in place to deal with payments to hotels.

When raised that this could be a deterrent for accommodation providers renewing their contracts, McCarthy said the pace of paying out has picked up as there are now 700 providers on the books, and this did create a challenge where invoices were building up. 

However, he acknowledged that it was not in the State’s interest to make people wait for payment when they are trying to keep people on board. 

“Intensive efforts are being undertaken daily by staff in the Department to source emergency accommodation. However, procuring enough bed space to keep pace with incoming arrivals remains extremely challenging,” McCarthy said.

At present, the State is accommodating 77,000 refugees, with 57,500 arriving from Ukraine while 19,741 are International Protection applicants. This time last year, Ireland was accommodating 7,500 International Protection applicants.

“Meeting this ten-fold increase in the overall numbers accommodated has involved huge operational challenges over the course of the last year,” McCarthy said.

Today’s meeting comes after The Journal reported last weekend that no new buildings have been made available to the Department of Integration since Minister Roderic O’Gorman appealed for vacant buildings late last month.

O’Gorman had appealed for sports centres, conference facilities, arts centres, student leisure centres and any other large buildings that are “deemed safe” to house refugees.

While departments are understood to be in the process of reaching out to bodies within their sectors to find out if more accommodation is available, it is understood that no new buildings have been immediately made available following the call out. 

Meanwhile, Minister for Justice Simon Harris has announced that the temporary protection permission for those fleeing war in Ukraine will be extended for a further 12 months to March 2024.

“The Irish government and our colleagues across Europe continue to stand resolutely with the Ukrainian government and its people.

“The commitment to European solidarity is evident now more than ever and is reflected in the recent EU Commission decision to extend temporary protection until March 2024.

“In that regard, I am pleased to announce the extension of temporary protection permissions to people fleeing the war in Ukraine for a further 12 months to March 2024.”

He added that it would give certainty to those in Ireland and providing accommodation. 

“This will give reassurance to the people who have sought shelter and security here from the war in Ukraine that they will have continued access to the supports that they need.

“It also provides certainty to the various organisations involved in providing those supports of the future requirements and expectations.

“Ireland has never before seen so many people arrive in such a short time frame. It is our moral imperative to provide support to the Ukrainian people and I am proud of the welcome and support our communities across the country have delivered.”

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    Mute Kyle O Rourke
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:08 PM

    Israel-modern day Nazis

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    Mute Emily Elephant
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:10 PM

    And thus ended the thread.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:20 PM

    State terrorism alive and kicking……….

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    Mute Sean Mahoney
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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:04 PM

    Be careful,

    We goyim can not speak ill of Israel. they are God’s chosen people, while we are merely “Cattle” Dont you know
    because of there acceptance of Torah, Jews have a special status in the eyes of God,

    He gives them the right to put polonium on your cornflakes. !!!!

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    Mute werejammin
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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:06 PM

    Are you saying that the Israelis are cereal killers?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:13 PM

    Pure class. got a good giggle out of that.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:45 PM

    Another egghead like meself…

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:35 PM

    If he was poisoned it’s far more likely to have done by his former supporters in Iran. He was a bit like Ian Paisley in that he was a former extremist who had finally adopted to reality. Arafat had accepted that Israel wasn’t going to be defeated militarily & was in the process of negotiating a 2 state solution (while lining his own pocket with Gulf & Western funds). This obviously didn’t go down too well with the extremists who were financing his senseless wars from the safety of Tehran, Doha & Dubai.

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    Mute Kyle O Rourke
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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:50 PM

    Nah, I blame Israel. The same Israel who executed a Palestinian in Dubai on his way to Iran and tried to make it look like the IRA, how could anyone ever trust them after that?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:33 PM

    Oh Thomas, no one will fall for that lame attempt to deflect the attention away from Israel. Must try harder man!!!!!

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    Mute Petr Tarasov
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:19 PM

    Could have been lots of people, but probably the Zionists. Not that we’ll ever know for sure.

    People used to say this was a crazy conspiracy theory and mock Palestinians for speaking of it. Now it turns out to be true. For all his faults, Arafat was a great uniting figure in the Palestinian resistance.

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    Mute Brian Ó Dálaigh
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:34 PM

    Petr, please learn the definition of Zionism. A Zionist is a person who believes the Jews, just like all other ethnicities, deserve the right to a homeland. You are confusing far-right wing Zionists with all Zionists. Fine Gael are a right wing party. Would you accuse them of being fascist simply because they are on the same political spectrum? There are many Zionists out there who believe in peace between Israel and Palestine and the implementation of a lasting peace.

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    Mute Cormac O Sullivan
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:43 PM

    Ya fine Gael seem pretty much like fascists to me. Or are you one of these apathetic Irish who think they are doing their best for the Irish people… Probably

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:45 PM

    I think they got an overwhelming majority to do what they are doing. Read the programme for Government, they lay out everything there, prior to a vast majority of us voting for them. So, yes they have hard decisions to make but they are doing they’re best for us and for Ireland, and to compare them to the Nazi machine shows a major lack of brain function.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:48 PM

    Well thats just crap jason. People voted on their manifesto, not the program for government. They lied their way into power, for example, promising no tax on the family home.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:58 PM

    Funny thing, though. Most of the “fascist” parties are left wing. The most famous ones were National Socialists, and their closest supporters here were Sinn Fein. Mosley’s blackshirts came from the British Labour Party. The BNP are staunchly pro-nationalisation and describe themselves as “the Labour Party your grandad voted for”. Golden Dawn regard communism as a betrayal of proper socialism. Jorg Haider’s crowd based its platform on bolstering the welfare state.

    Geert Wilders is just about the only genuine right winger who gets to be called a fascist, and his policies on community healthcare would not look out of place in most social democratic parties.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:59 PM

    Brian — Have a read of Parting Ways: Jewishness and the Critique of Zionism.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:01 PM

    Petr, the man was 75! If the “zionists” wanted him dead by poisoning they would have done it a lot sooner and quicker.
    Cop on!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:03 PM

    Petr,
    “Could have been”
    “But probably ”
    “We’ll never for sure”
    But you say it’s the zionists?
    You sound very confused.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:11 PM

    Declan — No! You sound confused, or just not very smart maybe. I said “probably the Zionists” as you’ll have noticed. It is true that he was poisoned, a theory often met with ridicule in the past, but I clearly stated we’ll probably never know for sure who’s responsible.

    It’s all there in my comment, as clear as could be, for those who understand the English language.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:13 PM

    I don’t buy the ethnicity trope. There is no ethnic Christians Muslims or Jews. Askkenazi Jews hail from around Georgia. Is that not their homeland? What gives ethnic “Russians” a right to migrate to Palestine?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:15 PM

    *are

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:20 PM

    Petr, your use of the word “Zionist” is just a thinly veiled cover for your deep seated hatred of all things Israeli.
    Don’t deny it because you were on here last week and you admitted to it.
    You admitted that the whole concept of Israeli abhorred you.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:25 PM

    Declan, calling someone a Zionist is just like calling them a republican, or a democrat, a socialist or a communist.

    It’s a political ideology – the ones trying to equate it with Judaism are merely trying to place themselves beyond criticism.

    There’s plenty of Christian Zionists, same way there’s plenty of Jews who disagree with Zionism. So Zionists do not automatically equate with Jews, in fact – for some Jews to be called a Zionist is an insult.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:59 PM

    Emily, I’d like to hear your definition of left wing if you believe that Hitlers National Socialists were socialist in anything but name.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:05 PM

    Petr, wouldn’t you be the butt of all jokes to find out that it was his now extremely wealthy wife that arranged it all. Not that you’re not already a joke. Your racism towards Israelis is appalling.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:56 PM

    Coddler, I detect a No True Scotsman fallacy in the making, but I’ll humour you. Nazi policies included using public funds to create homeless shelters and use infrastructure projects (not all of them military) to reduce unemployment. They were explicitly anti capitalist, and pro planned economy in what they said was the national interest. They expropriated private property and banned the sale of agricultural land. All of which were and are left wing policies, whether or not any of the thousand branches of the Judaean People’s Front acknowledges them as orthodox socialists.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:18 PM

    Actually Coddler, Emily has a point. He was a psychopath and his party were no different, but he did do many things that would be considered socialist – remember the People’s Wagon or Volkswagen?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:21 PM

    What about the People’s Front of Judae??

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:35 PM

    It never ceases to amaze me that when a heated topic or debate starts as a result of an article it seems to bring out such primitive way of thinking for the majority. Some of you who contribute intelligently in other articles end up looking like fools when an “edgy” topic is raised.

    Nothing is black and white. Everything is a lie and everything is true. I would try bother contributing something to the discussion but it will inevitably get lost in the argument between the “we hate Israel and they are literally worse than Hitler” crowd and the “how dare you question the West and its allies, we would be speaking German if not for them” crowd.

    The Journal used to be a good place to have a debate and a laugh but now its just filled with trolls and keyboard warrior/ amateur historian-geopolitical-philosophical-theological experts…most of whom get their knowledge from Youtube videos or wiki pages.

    That is all. Let the madness recommence.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:56 PM

    Emily,

    No definition of left wing then?
    The Nazis were socialist in the same way as Josef Fritzl ran a crèche. National Socialism is itself a contradiction in terms as socialism is an international philosophy and concerns itself with the interests of the working class of all nations and not just one. Nationalisation in the interests of a war effort to slaughter the people of other countries and achieve imperial expansion is the polar opposite to socialism.
    The Nazi nationalisations for example did not extend to the Krupps factories which were a key industry and critical to the Nazi war machine so their explicit anti capitalism was very selective.
    P.S. Were those homeless shelters you mentioned located in Auschwitz or Belsen?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:57 PM

    King, actually it’s the Judean people’s front. :)

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    Nov 6th 2013, 9:11 PM

    Well I was expecting the No True Scotsman. Thank you for not disappointing, Coddler.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 9:56 PM

    Well said, also worth noting that Zionism for the majority of its existence (especially the early part) has been seen as a predominantly left-wing movement.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:36 PM

    Did you take you take long to google it?

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    Nov 7th 2013, 1:32 AM

    That there nice man with a mustache from Georgia and his mass murdering crownies might qualify, or maybe Pol Pot.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:18 PM

    Said it from day one, poisoned with radioactive material, most likely by the Mossad given its rarity. Hopefully there is some way of tracing its origin, and hopefully the confirmation that it was a political assasination won’t be used to scupper the fragile peace process currently underway.

    (I’m sure we’ll have the professinal zionist bloggers on here soon enough with the usual crap about the man. Still want to contend he died from an AIDS related illness?)

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:34 PM

    It was Ahmad Jibril, Secretary-General of the PFLP General Command who said that ““To be honest, the French gave us the medical report, that stated that the cause of Abu Ammar’s death was AIDS.” and he did have a corps of hunky blond Scandinavian bodyguards.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:34 PM

    Have you a link to back up your vapourings?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:47 PM

    Hizballah’s Al-Manar TV carried the statement by Ahmad Jibril, live and in glorious technicolor

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:50 PM

    So no link then. More zionist propaganda filth.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:52 PM

    I was asking werejammin – the grand mufti of proof/ link requests :)

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:57 PM

    Did you miss the bit where I said ‘most likely’?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:58 PM

    No I was too busy high fiving myself when I read your link request….

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:05 PM

    Good man.

    Do you pat yourself on the back after you have a w**k as well?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:07 PM

    ye sordid dirty minded civil servant lout grumbler ye

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:39 PM

    Dont know if thats true Auntie but we do know that many arabs don’t really like women (they are a necessary evil, all them hormones and periods etc)so stranger things have happened.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:26 PM

    Why is it I am not shocked anymore by the behavior of Israel !!! There biggest group/country terrorists, Israel assassins giving Irish passports by embassy, Israel solders modern day pirates, boarding Aid boats killing crew, robbing Palestine people land, poisoning Arab leaders !!!!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:30 PM

    Where does it say Israel poisoned him in the article?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:36 PM

    Best of luck with your english language lessons

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:36 PM

    If all those bleeding hearts cared so passionately about Palestine why do they not access it via Egypt, is it because they wouldn’t get any publicity? And as Ehud pointed out, where does it say that Israel, who by the way are the only democratic country in the region, had anything to do with it? The terrorist thief Arafat had many enemies within also.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:11 PM

    Well Ehud it wasn’t the Mexicans.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:21 PM

    It is a very dangerous endeavour to be a peace maker in the middle-east especially because the US and it’s client state Israel are determined to continue wars to feed the Military Indusrial Complex to maximise profits just as Eisenhower warned.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:25 PM

    Heavy stuff this! To lighten the mood I see little mix were back on the X Factor last week! I’ll get me coat.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:33 PM

    Education people. Arafat and his organisation the PLO had many enemies, including Abu Nadal’s organisation the ANO, which split from the PLO because they didn’t want peace with the Israelis. Some people are too quick to point the fingers at Israel with zero evidence.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:37 PM

    But it was more than likely Israel.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:38 PM

    Sorry, do you have any evidence at all?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:39 PM

    But it was more than likely Iran.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:41 PM

    Ehud
    Have you any evidence that clears Israel

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:42 PM

    No need to apologise Ehud. Do you have evidence stating it wasn’t Israel?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:43 PM

    The law doesn’t work like that, Chopstix. Innocent until proven guilty. It’s up to YOU to find evidence proving Israel did it.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:46 PM

    Who else other than the Russians would use polonium?? The Israelis that’s who!! Sickners!!!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:48 PM

    Israel haven’t really won the right to get the benefit of doubt now have they ehud

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:54 PM

    Polonium allergy is very common, we may never know.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:54 PM

    Aunty? Whats it like working in the Israeli propaganda office? A good number I hear.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:55 PM

    Chop, do you have any evidence that it was Israel just like when you said “show me the evidence that the Syrian govt was behind the chemical weapons attack”
    Such a hypocrit!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:58 PM

    Typical low standard of debate on the journal. Accusations being thrown around with no evidence, along with ad hominem attacks about being Israeli propaganda agents if you dare question them. No wonder nobody takes this site seriously.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:59 PM

    Declan
    I don’t need to produce evidence as I never blamed Israel in this can you produce evidence that I did
    Take you’re time deco

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:06 PM

    Chop, trolling again?
    I just know that you want to blame Israel.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:15 PM

    @Ehud Olmert, it is nice to give the PLO [ Dublin and District] fan club an opportunity to do their ritual dance but what made you think that anyone ever took them seriously as they pose as intellectuals ? The DailyMash is more believable than this stuff.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:16 PM

    Jason Bourne, tis a great number, but shhhh don’t let on, them Israelis are very slow to pay!!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:20 PM

    Declan
    You’re a mind reader now eh
    Again you loose an argument with me and again you turn to insults Just give up pal I won’t hold it against you what’s the score now
    Chop 1000
    Deco 0

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:33 PM

    You know guys if you dislike the standard of journalism / comments you are more than free to read another website..
    I find it odd that you wish to whine about the standards and quality yet you keep returning.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:04 PM

    @Shanti Om, where did anyone criticise the standard of journalism? I for one will continue to mention the low standard of comment and indeed highlight comments such as yours which twist and insert your wishful thinking into what others have posted.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:09 PM

    I think you’ll find, Ehud, that when people realise that they are debating with a person using a fake account, they tend to stop taking said debate seriously. So a bid you a goodnight Sir/Madam/Unicorn (please circle most appropriate).

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:11 PM

    Just the tip, Simmonite?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:26 PM

    Fair enough – no one criticised the journalism in this particular thread.
    Still, if you are unhappy with the standard of debate, no one says you have to take part. I’m sure you can find somewhere that’s more to your standard.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:40 PM

    I know. I did a job for ‘them’ in 1996 and am still waiting on payment. I was told to go to hell!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:39 PM

    professional zionist bloggers here!!! I personally dont the israelis didn’t do it , not because the wouldn’t but because they could have bumped him off many times over if they wished. More likely fome other faction or someone who was jealous of his influence (and wealth) or both, but don’t worry we know who will get the blame!

    Still awaiting my fee!!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:54 PM

    Yes taxi bill, because polonium 210, available mainly from nuclear reactors, is the murder tool of choice for ‘ someone who was jealous’.

    Must update my Cleudo boardgame. “It was Colnel Mustard in the drawing room with the highly rare radioactive material.”

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:09 PM

    seems he had more enemies than you could shake a stick at , and not Just the Israelis

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:24 PM

    werejammin…

    Notice in the above article mention of the assassination of Russian ex-spy and Kremlin critic Alexander Litvinenko. Doubtful the Jews were responsiblie there, yet the murder weapon was the same. Nah….what am I thinking…the Russians have no friends or influence in that region right?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:20 PM

    Jews responsible for both? No

    Secret service from enemy countries of victim responsible for both? Probably

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:52 PM

    Van poyton letting the mask slip.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:38 PM

    Dan, you do know there are many Jews who oppose Israel. This conflation of ethnicities, nationalities and allegiances is why most in Ireland haven’t a clue about the middle East.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:40 PM

    Very true Brian. Irish people seem to hold the simplistic view that
    Jew = pro-Israel
    Arab = anti-Israel.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:57 PM

    Please don’t label Irish opinion on the Middle East as “simplistic”. Very arrogant comment.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:00 PM

    Do you agree or disagree with the above synopsis Peter? Do you think every Jew in the world loves Israel? Do yo think every single Arab hates it?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:47 PM

    The reason for this confusion is that too many people try to conflate issues by calling any criticism of Israel or Zionism “anti Semitic”, which it is not, George Bush was a Zionist – but he wasn’t a Jew, I can call him every name under the sun and it still won’t be anti Semitic.

    Same way people should be free to criticise the actions of a state that claims to be the bastion of democracy in the Middle East and then ignores the internationally recognised borders of said country, create open air prison camps and drop white phosphorous on civilians.. It’s not anti semitism to disagree with that – it’s called having a shred of humanity.

    This doesn’t mean that Hamas are angels – far from it. But for those who keep trying to equate Zionism with Judaism it’s all about the simplicity, obviously if you disagree with Netanyahu you’re on the side of terrorists eh?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:23 PM

    Did the Swiss find any of the money he stole from the Palestinians?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:25 PM

    Ah you’ve clocked in already. Enjoy your shift.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:28 PM

    Still hidden somewhere, never to be uttered about. The terrorist Arafat’s only concern was lining his own pockets, like Hamas and their Iranian brethren, they don’t care about Palestine or Palestinians, only the destruction of democratic Israel.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:36 PM

    Sure Arafat wasn’t even a Palestinian. He was Egyptian.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:58 PM

    Petr, arafats wife lived in Paris with a $250,000 a year income?
    The EU gave the Palistinian authority $2 billion. Where did the money go?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:29 PM

    I love the way it’s fine to call one side terrorists and yet the other side who go around bulldozing people’s homes, bombing indiscriminately, and dropping white phosphorous are beyond criticism.. In fact – to level any criticism at their overreaction and outright hostility is “anti semitism”.. But it’s never anti semitism to call an Arab a terrorist for trying to stand up for themselves.. Arabs are just as Semitic as the Jews, in fact – even more so..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:35 PM

    Dan don’t confuse Jews with zionists

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:26 PM

    Potential suspects? Arafat had as many enemies within as without. Either way it had to have been sourced from a state involved in uranium enrichment. Was my enemy’s enemy my friend?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:20 PM

    Fair comparison. How many concentration camps has FG built? How has he curtailed any freedoms we hold dear? How can seriously compare a democratically elected leader to the Nazi’s? Plus what the hell has your comment got to do with the story you’ve just read? Put your head back in the sand.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:49 PM

    As far as I am aware in 1933 the Nazi party received 33% of the vote while in the 2011 Irish general election Fine Gael received 27.3% of the vote. While I am not stating that the parties are similar in anyway I am just pointing out the the Nazis did in fact receive a higher proportion of votes…………

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:55 PM

    FGs ties to the Hitlers brownshirts and Mussolinis blackshirts are well knows.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:05 PM

    And poor o’duffys gang got shot at by the spanish fascists they went to support. Rofls ensued..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:38 PM

    Is the Tunisian international arrest warrant still out for Suha Arafat on charges of corruption?
    “Corruption is a way of life for the Arafat family. Suha’s husband used the millions–probably billions–provided by the international community for aid to his fellow Muslims to build a state for his artificially created Palestinian people to bankroll an unremitting reign of terror against Israel and the West instead. Oh, and he siphoned off several million so his wife could live far away from him. So while their people lived in misery Mrs. Arafat enjoyed a lavish loca vida in Paris on money her husband stole.”

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:03 PM

    Another zionist copy+paste merchant.

    Yawn……

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:09 PM

    Is the Tunisian international arrest warrant still out for Suha Arafat on charges of corruption?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:38 PM

    “Artificially created Palestinian people”

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:41 PM

    Where’s the rest of my comment gone?

    Please, cast your mind back to before Israel declared themselves a state, what was that mandate called?
    And the deal was supposed to be the creation of TWO states, Israel and Palestine, but Israel won’t allow that – they get their lapdog the US to veto Palestines attempts to be recognised at the UN. The reason is quite apparent, Israels intention is to take all of that land, and if Palestine was recognised – their expansion would be considered an act of war.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:34 PM

    I wonder who did it, this could be a case for lieutenant Colombo.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:12 PM

    And just one more thing Israel……

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:29 PM

    Guns appear to have been jumped
    ” The head of the Russian forensics institute, Vladimir Uiba, was quoted by the Interfax news agency last month as saying no trace of polonium had been found on the body specimens examined in Moscow, but his Federal Medico-Biological Agency later denied he had made any official comment on its findings.

    The French pathologists have not reported their conclusions publicly, nor have their findings been shared with Suha Arafat’s legal team”

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:29 PM

    red thumbs suggest Auntie is wrong if so please correct her or is it you just don’t like the comment?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:40 PM

    The UN, in the 1947 two-state partition resolution, called for creation of a “Jewish state” and an “Arab state.” There were no Palestinians at the time.During Israel’s War of Independence in 1948, Israel had to defend itself against half a dozen Arab armies that attacked the nascenet Jewish state and the Arabs told their people to leave as they would destroy Israel in a day or two and that the Arabs could have all the land. The rest as they say, is history.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:51 PM

    “There were no Palestinians at the time”

    So Palestine is not officially recognised as a state. It was a strip of land on the west coast of the Middle East with no official status, the people who lived there were not Jordanian, Lebanese, Iraqi etc.. They were from the bit of land known as “Palestine”, so by default they get called “Palestinians”, the only reason “there were no Palestinians at the time” is because their state wasn’t official. And thanks to vetoes – it still isn’t.

    We have our “Jewish state”, where’s the “Arab State”?
    It was supposed to be a two state solution, at present we have one state aggressively absorbing what was supposed to be the other.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:26 PM

    Oh boy! I expected a trail of madness at the bottom of this story and you guys didn’t disappoint. Hitler cakes for all!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:48 PM

    And the Godwin award is on it’s way to you..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:18 PM

    I’m never drinking tea or coffee again…

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:25 PM

    After we devastated the Teutonic wealth we caused the perfect circumstances for 490,000 of our poorest people to be sacrificed providing a victimisation status for our most ambitious and ruthless people. They commited unlimited crimes to achieve our multi-generational aim. We corrupted the historical record to suggest many multiples of our people were slaughtered. We then labelled our critics no matter what crimes we committed. We regularly remind the globe of this sacrifice with countless historic documentaries. Does nobody ask why there are no documentaries of the genocides of much grander scales that have occurred since? Our war crimes go without any punishment. Our Temple will be rebuilt.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:58 PM

    I stopped reading when I got to your picture.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:30 PM

    It’s from the Protocols of Zion – which was a forgery, but some would think that it’s being used as an instruction manual today..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:43 PM

    The forgery is near completion – who owns your privatised nation? Do you acutally know who controls your money supply? Look behind the proxy investors and institutions and you will find the truth.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:26 PM

    Hamas executed over 19 Palestinians and brutally tortured and maimed over 60 others whom Hamas suspected of collaboration with Israel, some were blinded and others shot in the legs as Arafat continued his efforts to ‘unite’ his various factions.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:38 PM

    Who cares about how the old paedophile died.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:55 PM

    all the international academics are out in force today……..watch a few documentaries and read a few daily issues of the star and suddenly everyone is an expert ha ha ha ha

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:58 PM

    The IPSC are out in force today. I thought they`d be too busy sticking yellow stickers on Israeli produce.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:44 PM

    it was the CIA……they were jealous because he had a lovely keffiyeh………well actually it was probably the freemasons or the new world order because he wouldnt add them to his bebo

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:20 PM

    How insightful utterly irrelevant to this thread Jim.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:00 PM

    If we’re to make the assumption that many will make and say Mossad did this, what would be the motivation in killing a 75-year-old Arafat when multiple opportunities were to be had previously.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:10 PM

    The man is dead, lets leave it at that.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:36 PM

    “which found at least 18 times the normal levels of radioactive polonium in his remains.”

    If that’s correct then it couldn’t have killed him.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:51 PM

    Polonium is highly dangerous and has no biological role.[16] By mass, polonium-210 is around 250,000 times more toxic than hydrogen cyanide (the actual LD50 for 210Po is less than 1 microgram for an average adult (see below) compared with about 250 milligrams for hydrogen cyanide[65]). The main hazard is its intense radioactivity (as an alpha emitter), which makes it very difficult to handle safely. Even in microgram amounts, handling 210Po is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment (a negative pressure alpha glove box equipped with high performance filters), adequate monitoring, and strict handling procedures to avoid any contamination. Alpha particles emitted by polonium will damage organic tissue easily if polonium is ingested, inhaled, or absorbed, although they do not penetrate the epidermis and hence are not hazardous as long as the alpha particles remain outside of the body. Meanwhile, wearing chemically resistant and “intact” gloves is a mandatory precaution to avoid transcutaneous diffusion of polonium directly through the skin. Polonium delivered in concentrated nitric acid can easily diffuse through inadequate gloves (e.g., latex gloves) or the acid may damage the gloves.[66]

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:52 PM

    Parts of my comments keep going missing when I use HTML..
    The source for above is:
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

    It doesn’t sound like the stuff is particularly safe..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:55 PM

    I would think about 1,000 times normal background level would be a lethal dose. 5 sieverts is the lethal dose , there is no way the average is a mere 18th of that.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:56 PM

    Shanti, all that’s great but you missed a very important fact.

    If you have an 18th of what he had and that’s normal he had virtually none as 18 times f**k all is still f**k all. You have a trillion atoms of Uranium in your body. It won’t killed you, neither will 18,000,000,000,000 atoms of Uranium.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:08 PM

    Are you guys missing the point that the level of radioactivity from the polonium in his remains was halving every 4months from the time he was poisoned until his body was exhumed for testing?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:12 PM

    An 1/18th of something halving is still f**k all. IF the comment I re-quoted makes any sense then presumably the Polonium in his body was 1/18th of what it would have been in a normal person (i.e. not a major terrorist handling all sorts of sh1te) dead X years.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:13 PM

    Werejammin that would have been accounted for, the clue the scientists were seeking was the amount of a certain isotope of Lead that the Polonium would have transformed into. They were not looking for Polonium , that would be daft.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 10:54 PM

    Why is this not the top story on main stream media tonight….? The hint is their for he folks. We are not being told the truth. I’m listening to alex jones here and he is on fire tonight….he talks plenty of crap but there is some sense in what he says. You just gotta separate the downright silly talk to the truth.

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    Nov 7th 2013, 1:16 AM

    Met the man at a PLO checkpoint in the Tyre Pocket in 1982 in Lebanon just b4 the Israelis invaded

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    Nov 7th 2013, 9:38 AM

    Still no sign of the billions he looted.

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