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Money Diaries A 25-year-old sales representative on €35K living in Dublin

This week, our reader is juggling visits to the gym with stressful work days.

WELCOME TO HOW I Spend My Money, a series on The Journal that looks at how people in Ireland really handle their finances.

We’re asking readers to keep a record of how much they earn, what they save if anything, and what they’re spending their money on over the course of one week.

Are you a spender, a saver or a splurger? We’re looking for readers who will keep a money diary for a week. If you’re interested send a mail to money@thejournal.ie. We would love to hear from you.

Each money diary is submitted by readers just like you. When reading and commenting, bear in mind that their situation will not be relatable for everyone, it is simply an account of a week in their shoes, so let’s be kind.

Last time around, we heard from a part-time call centre supervisor on €29K in her final year of college. This week, a 25-year-old sales representative on €35K living in Dublin.

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I’ve been living in Dublin ever since I moved up for college in 2014 and have always kept an eye on my expenses as money tends to just run away from me. My current job is as a sales rep in a small company which means I have to wear many hats and work in all departments at all times.

I keep a monthly budget but I wouldn’t consider myself particularly frugal. I probably end up with about €400-€600 saved by the end of the month but that tends to get snapped up with expensive dinners or trips away throughout the year. I have only just paid off a loan which I had for five years and I can already feel a huge freedom in the amount of money I have by the end of the month.

I currently live alone in a small studio apartment so I feel very fortunate that my rent is so low with this in mind. I have one of the few rare “nice” landlords so my rent hasn’t risen at all since I moved in five years ago. The only bill I pay is electricity as well so the landlord covers the internet and bins. I have my own car but I don’t really use it unless I’m driving home to my parents house or if I go on a hike at the weekend – not a common occurrence these days! I often think about selling the car but I do find it handy to have and while I can afford it I might as well keep it.

Myself and my partner plan to move away within the next year or so and I would like to have a decent bit of money saved before then. We both have a good amount of savings already but I do appreciate upending your whole life for another country isn’t cheap.

Occupation: Sales representative
Age: 25
Location: Dublin
Salary: €35,000 (with monthly bonuses depending on sales)
Monthly pay (net): €2,631

Monthly expenses

Transport: €20 Leap Card + €50 petrol
Rent: €140 weekly (a steal, I know)
Household bills: €80
Phone bill: €35
Health insurance: N/A
Groceries: €200
Subscriptions: €8.99 for Netflix, €8.99 for Disney+, €9.99 for Spotify, €1 for Mubi, €7 for NowTV, €4 for Patreon (The Creep Dive Podcast), €35 for gym membership
Discretionary: €40  for nails (non-negotiable)

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Monday

7.00 am: Wake up using my sunlight alarm clock which makes me feel like a superior person. I used to suffer terrible pangs of anxiety first thing in the morning, but this small change has improved my life significantly.

7.30 am: I am working from home today, so I head to my local gym to get a short session in before work. I have a roaming membership which is handy as I can use the gym near my house as well as the one in town for the days I work from the office. I was in London this weekend so feeling a little guilty about eating, drinking and spending so much and working out helps me feel a bit more back to normal. I do my food shop after the gym to get most of the essentials and it comes to €17.33.

9.00 am: Start work at my home office and try to refamiliarise myself with what I actually do. I only had a day and a half annual leave last week but I feel like it was nearly not worth taking due to the mountain of work I have to come back to. I tear through as much as I can while listening to the radio in the background.

10.00 am: Please don’t judge me, but I have leftover chicken balls from a Chinese takeaway I got the night before for breakfast. They are cold out of the fridge and everything. Love my life.

1.00 pm: Make myself a bagel for lunch and do some household chores as a break from work. Working from home is great for doing things around the house and I put all my washing away from the night before. I probably should get out in the sunlight but I stay in my little hobbit hole.

6.00 pm: Finish work for the day after it felt like I would never get through everything. I’m meeting my family in town so I don’t feel one bit guilty about closing my laptop and running away. My uncle is over from America and I haven’t had a chance to see him until now so we meet up in a pub in town. My mam, my sister and my partner join us.

8.45 pm: We don’t stay long. I think I have three pints which amount to €19.20. Myself and my partner nip into a burrito bar for a quick meal before heading home separately. I cover his meal as well so it amounts to €20.50. Pretty expensive evening for a Monday!

Today’s total: €39.70

Tuesday

7.00 am: Wake up and start walking into town. I walk everywhere these days as I am pretty close to town and I hate public transport. My philosophy is that I can trust my feet to get me somewhere on time but I cannot trust Dublin Bus. I have an appointment with my dentist before work and have a little bit of time to kill. I buy a jambon from the deli and walk around the park. (€2.70)

10.00 am: Catch up on some work and have my breakfast at my desk. For the days I’m in the office, I feel like I don’t spend too much on food as they do provide a lot for us. I have porridge and a coffee using the office kitchen and get back to work.

1.00 pm: Time for a lunch break. I make a bagel with some stuff that I brought from home and afterwards, I head out for a walk to try and keep active. I need stuff for dinner tonight so I head into Lidl and get a few supplies. (€12.85)

6.00 pm: Finish work and head home after a tough day. Despite my earlier statement I decide to get the bus home as I am very tired. Covered by my Leap card.

8.00 pm: Read in bed for a bit after dinner. My mam got me a kindle for Christmas which I am loving, especially as it included three months of “Kindle unlimited” which allows you to read books for free. It’s mainly old books and classics and I am currently halfway through the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Eowyn and Aragorn just met and she is giving him major flirty vibes. Haven’t heard anything about Frodo and the actual ring so far in this book. I hope they are getting on okay.

11.00 pm: Sleepy nighty snoozy snooze.

Today’s total: €15.55

Wednesday

7.00 am: Wake up and head to the gym for a training session with my personal trainer. I only recently started working with her thanks to some Christmas money my dad gave me. She’s great and I really look forward to our weekly sessions together. We mainly chat about things we saw on the internet for most of the hour but I do some exercise as well. For some reason, this session feels tougher than most and I feel like I could be sick by the time we finish.

8.30 am: I nip into the shop on the way home to get some fruit. I made overnight oats last night again, but feel like they can be a bit heavy so needs berries to salvage my efforts. (€2)

10.00 am: Back home to start work a little later than usual. We do flexible working sometimes which is great (in theory) when I have something on in the morning. Clients are already wrecking my head as soon as I sit down and I feel like crying. Work has been so busy and today it really gets to me and I feel completely burnt out. I take an Ashwagandha herbal capsule to try to relax.

2.00 pm: Take a break and cry on my bed. I don’t want to look at my phone as my eyes are tired from staring at a screen and crying. I read from a self-help book and get angry because the author sounds so patronising. Eat a bagel for lunch and brace myself to log back onto work.

6.00 pm: A coworker encourages me to order a takeaway to treat myself after a hard week and a particularly hard day. I am easily influenced and go on Deliveroo and order myself something nice. There is a discount code that can only be used if you spend over €20 so I do so and the total ends up €19.82. Loss leader really. But I did get a spare fizzy pop for another day!

7.00 pm: Finish up work and sit on my bed and contemplate life. I have a small existential crisis and then watch Everything Everywhere All At Once using my partner’s Prime Video account. Make a mental note to call my mam the next day. I realise I’m due my period next week which explains a lot.

10.00 pm: Skincare to relieve stress and into the leaba.

Today’s total: €21.82

Thursday

6.00 am: Up early for the gym and throw some clothes on and get walking. It’s nice and quiet in the gym at this time, particularly when it gets closer to the weekend. I work out for one hour and get showered and changed and head to work.

9.00 am: Start work with a coffee from the office machine and eat a morning snack which I brought from home. I feel a bit sheepish after my dramatic day yesterday so I just keep my head down and don’t speak to anybody.

10.00 am: Breakfast of porridge and coffee all covered by work.

2.00 pm: Lunch is brought from home and head out for a walk. It’s my mam’s birthday in a couple of weeks so I look in a few shops to see if I can find a gift for her but nothing stands out to me so I end up not getting anything. March and April are expensive months for gifts but I like to take my time and find the perfect gifts regardless of the price.

6.00 pm: Finish up at work and walk home to drop my bags off. I then head to the pub to meet my friend for a meal to celebrate her birthday earlier in the week. We both get pizza and I get two pints while she gets a cocktail. €56.10 in total which I get and she’ll Revolut me her half.

10.00 pm: Fall into the bed to rest my weary bones.

Today’s total: €56.10

Friday

7.00 am: Wake up and consider risking my entire employment for an extra few minutes of sleep. Eventually get up and shower and start walking into work. Fridays tend to be quiet in the office but after this week of hell, I feel as though I shouldn’t get my hopes up for a gentle day. I’m a little hungover (after only two pints, somehow) so I buy a jambon from the deli beside work (€2.40).

10.00 am: Caught up on a good bit of work so time for breakfast. Porridge and coffee are all paid for by work.

1.00 pm: Time for a break. I brought my lunch to work and already ate it at work but I go for a walk to stretch the legs and buy a snack for the afternoon (€5).

4.30 pm: Sneaky office beers. By the time it hits 4 pm on a Friday, we usually get treated to a desk drink. It’s silly but I love it and we are all tired from the hard week so it feels well earned.

6.00 pm: Finished work for the week and ready to cherish the weekend as if it is much-needed therapy. I feel terrible about eating out so much this week, so I’m looking forward to cooking but as I get home I realise I forgot to take the salmon fillets out of the freezer :) Straight to my local Chinese. Special offer on. It comes to €13.

7.00 pm: Flake out for the evening catching up on this week’s episode of The Last of Us using NowTV and then start the new adaptation of Daisy Jones and The Six on Prime. I hadn’t read the book but did read another by the author so I have a feeling I would love it. The show is pretty good! I then go down a rabbit hole of TikTok fan edits of the characters and determine that I am #TeamCamila.

Today’s total: €20.40

Saturday

10.00 am: I have a decent sleep in which I feel my body needed. I don’t have many major plans to get up for so I have a slow morning of breakfast in bed and listening to the radio.

11.30 pm: Get up and start my chores which I’ve been putting off recently. I do a deep clean of my shower, put on a load of washing, and do general tidying of the apartment. I have more to do later but take a break to have another coffee.

1.00 pm: Walk into town to hit the gym. I would usually go to my local one on the weekends but my partner goes to the same gym in town so we coordinate to work out at the same time. We go for lunch together nearby afterwards and he treats me to it. I go to get a nice fancy beer to have with my dinner and I get him one too so it amounts to €7.

3.00 pm: I nip into the bank while walking home to get rent money out for the week. I pay €140 a week in cash which is a bit old school but I try to not ask too many questions seeing as it’s so cheap. I got the electricity bill for December and January during the week so I get cash out for that as well. With the government credit taken off, it comes up to just about €74 which I understand is pretty good considering what some people are having to pay. I read an article about a 100-year-old pensioner getting a bill of €990 during the week so I feel a bit blessed that my little apartment requires so little heating and electricity. The total I get out of the ATM is €220 to cover both rent and electricity.

3.30 pm: I tackle the big chore of the day which is sorting out my cupboards and wardrobes. I hate clutter so every three-to-six months I tear the place apart and Marie Kondo my life until it feels more organised. I stick on a movie in the background. I got an offer for three months of Mubi for €1 per month which is pretty good. There’s limited stuff on it but it has a good amount of artsy movies and classic horror films which I love. I watch the original Suspiria which is camp and cartoonish and VERY scary.

7.00 pm: Salmon fillets successfully defrosted this time so I cook myself dinner, enjoy my fancy beer and settle in for the evening. I do like living alone and sometimes a Saturday night just by myself is exactly what I need. I do some skincare and stay in bed until I fall asleep.

Today’s total: €227.00

Sunday

8.00 am: Wake up early and shower and have breakfast. No major rush on plans today either so I watch the new episode of The Mandalorian and another episode of Daisy Jones and The Six while doing my life admin for the coming week.

10.00 am: Drive over to Rathfarnham to visit my partner as he is dog-sitting for his parents while they are on a trip abroad. We take the dogs for a walk around the park and settle back in the house for a cup of tea. We have been meaning to book our summer holidays for a while now so we pull out the laptop and get everything sorted. Flights and accommodation booked but only the flights to be paid for at the moment so I transfer my half, which is €269 total.

1.00 pm: We head back to his apartment after a prolonged goodbye to the dogs. I’m starving so we call into a local grocers and get a sandwich as well as some nice bits for dinner that night. (€19.48

3.00 pm: After himself finishes with the PlayStation and I finish with a nap, we sit down and watch The Sopranos. He has seen it before but I hadn’t so we are doing a full watch through of the series and slowly getting through it. We finish season 1 and he starts to cook dinner.

8.00 pm: We have dinner with a few glasses of wine and turn in for bed. The ‘Sunday Scaries’ sink in and I feel intense fear of going into work in the morning. Why does the weekend run away so fast?

Today’s total: €288.48

Weekly subtotal: €669.05

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What I learned –

  • I’d like to think this isn’t a normal spending week as the flights for the summer holiday are in the middle of everything so it does skew the final total.
  • Another anomaly is the amount of dinners out and takeaways within the week. It is not the norm for me and I usually feel a sense of guilt whenever I don’t cook during the week. It was a somewhat sociable week for me so I will allow it but in general, I wouldn’t spend this much on food during the week.
  • Sometimes I think it is a waste of money to have so many subscriptions for streaming services but looking retrospectively, I do get good use out of each of them.
  • The weekly rent in cash is fine for me as it helps me keep an eye on finances throughout the month. I used to get paid weekly and pay rent monthly which made me feel like I had loads of excess money whereas the restriction of needing to check your account every week keeps me in line a bit more.
  • I need to get a new job.

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    Mute Toirdhealbhach Ó Ceallaigh
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:50 PM

    Definitely voting no. No way in hell I’m having a President that’s 21 years of age. Probably vote yes on that other little issue.

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    Mute Art Vandelay
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:20 PM

    I think gay people should be entitled to be just as miserable as every other married couple. vote yes.

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:47 PM

    Many are miserable without being married?

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:30 PM

    Voting ‘yes’. Let’s get this done, once and for all. Couldn’t bear this debate dragging on for years to come. The time is now. It’s the fair and right thing to do.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:19 PM

    Most certainly I will vote yes.Time to exit the dark ages.

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    Mute Joan Featherstone
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:17 PM

    I am, I am and it’s YES!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    I am voting No in defence of a child’s right to a mother and a father.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:36 PM

    I thought the referendum was about marriage?

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:40 PM

    It is, David. Top Cat’s gripe is with the already-passed Children and Family Relationships Bill. But he’s powerless against that. So, he’s determined to take out his grievances on the upcoming marriage equality referendum instead. I know, I know…

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:44 PM

    @TopCat:

    You’re “defending” a right that doesn’t exist. It has NEVER existed.

    Why are you ACTIVELY misleading people? Vote how you wish, but stop lying to people. It’s unconscionable and you don’t seem to care.

    Fact is:

    Voting No will NOT create a “right to a mother and father” that doesn’t exist in the first place. If it did the State would have to force single mothers to stay with their baby’s father.

    Voting Yes will not change the fact that the State must always put a Child’s best interests FIRST.

    @TopCat: Just be honest with people and admit that you are motivated on this issue by your extreme religious convictions. People will at least respect you more.

    This article from a senior lecturer in Constitutional Law at UCC explains why the No side keep talking about children:

    http://letsmakehistory.ie/the-constitution-the-right-to-procreate-and-the-marriage-equality-referendum/

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:45 PM

    A yes vote would copper fasten the removal of any preference for traditional MF relationships over MM/FF relationships in Article 41 “The Family”, ultimately denying children their right to a mother and a father. The constitution is an interlocking document so it is disingenuous in the extreme to suggest a yes vote would have absolutely no impact on children.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:53 PM

    Top Cat followed by The Iona Institute, enough said.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:53 PM

    I’m voting YES and I’ve checked. The referendum you’re voting in must be different to the one I’m voting in, Top Cat because it has nothing to do with children.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:54 PM

    @Winding; Section 7 & Section 9 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child states a child’s right to a mother and father. Furthermore I am not a religious person I am actually agnostic.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:58 PM

    Top Cat. It’s not the removal of a preference for a particular kind of family. Instead, it’s acknowledging that other types of families do already exist and offering them the protection they are currently denied.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:59 PM

    @Top Cat:

    TopCat’s claims are NOT supported by the Irish Supreme Court – which has previously said that married couples do NOT have a constitutional right to assisted human reproduction.

    So if married straight couples don’t have that right, married gay couples won’t have it either.

    I urge floating voters to read this link and not to listen to TopCat’s campaign of misinformation:

    http://letsmakehistory.ie/the-constitution-the-right-to-procreate-and-the-marriage-equality-referendum/

    @TopCat:

    Stop quoting the “Family” chapter heading in the Constitutional as if it’s relevant to anything. It isn’t. And every first year law student knows that. There are several Supreme Court decisions which contradict your claim (see link above) so and start being honest with people for a change.

    You are motivated in this referendum by an extreme religious bias. Which is your call. But stop using it to justify lying to people – the Referendum’s outcome will NOT impact the rights of the unborn/un-conceived child.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:00 PM

    I had the right to a mother and father also and my mother walked out on us when I was 2 weeks old. You really are undermining the job my father did raising us in what you are saying.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:04 PM

    Daniel I was raised by a single father and I know the pain of losing a mother so I cannot vote to deprive future children of a mother or a father.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:06 PM

    “Section 7 & Section 9 of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child states a child’s right to a mother and father”

    Had a quick glance at that document. Interestingly neither article (not section) 7 or 9 contain either the word “mother” or “father” .

    More outright lies it seems

    In fact, the word “father” doesn’t appear in The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child at all, while the word “mother” only appears once; in Article 24 (Health and Health Services), section 2 (States’ Responsibilities), point D: ” To ensure appropriate pre-natal and post-natal health care for mothers”.

    Therefore, by examining the document, we can see that the UNC on the Rights of the Child does not establish “a child’s right to a mother and father”

    You should actually take the time to read what you think supports your claims.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:17 PM

    Did you just completely make that up, Top Cat?!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:53 PM

    Martin it has a part to do with adopting children as that was the talk from the TV… THE QUESTION THEN IS WHERE IS THE HOT AIR BEING BLOWN FROM?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:34 PM

    Top cat
    I presume you are straight man possibly married with kids. What happens if one of your kids comes home one day and tells you he or she is gay. Do you tell them they can never get married or have kids of their own??? That thought is pretty sad.

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:01 AM

    I’ll take that a ‘yes’ then, Top Cat, shall I?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 8:16 AM

    7: “…children have a right to know and as far as possible to be cared for by their parents”

    9: “…state parties shall ensure that a child shall not be seperated from his or her parents against their will, except when competent authorities subject to judicial review in accordance with applicable law and procedures that such separation is necessary in the best interest of a child”

    Now tell me is seperating a child from its mother because Adam & Steve have an emotional urge to parent “in the best interest of a child”?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:30 AM

    You did make it up.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:49 AM

    No Lloyd I took it word from word from here:

    http://www.childrensrights.ie/sites/default/files/submissions_reports/files/UNCRCEnglish_0.pdf

    Apologies on a postcard.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:55 AM

    Yes, Top Cat. And you’ve blatantly changed the wording of it. You can’t just go around editing UN charters to suit your own ends! That’s a new low, even for you.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:59 AM

    Go away and read it. I didn’t type the entire article in here because I have better things to be doing with my day than transcribing entire UN conventions verbatim onto the journal. I lied about nothing as you accused me of and you should apologise but I won’t hold my breath.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 12:26 PM

    You added the words ‘mother’ and ‘father’ even though those words are not mentioned. John already pointed it out earlier. I’ve since read it and he’s right.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:24 PM

    Read it myself, no mention of ‘Mother’ or ‘Father’ where relevant.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 4:23 PM

    Exactly David. Top Cat’s been snared, yet again.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:18 PM

    Vote YES for Equality in Ireland for ALL!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:51 PM

    Don’t be daft there is no equality in Ireland and you can see that with the hospitals, banks and the homeless?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:16 PM

    Voting yes and so are my kids because we don’t believe its right to treat others like second class citizens, doing that has bred a society that gets disgusted at the sight of two men hugging, it breeds people that think it’s ok to call people freaks, that obsess on people who don’t have sex like they do, that call other humans unnatural, that use phrases like Ernie and Bert when talking about homosexuals and bull dykes when talking about lesbians, that associated the lgbt community with paedophilia and beastiality. These are all of the things I’ve seen on here in the past few weeks and that’s just the ones I remember off the top of my head. I do not want that society to stay as it is, I’m embarrassed of it and the people who do not think about the message they are sending young people by saying these offensive nasty things. They say they want to protect children but haven’t thought at all of lgbt children and their siblings.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:33 PM

    Errors always occur. If you can’t be found on their Register printout on the day, insist that your Polling Station phones up your local Council – all Councils will have staff on hand on 22 May to clear up any confusion.

    Also only Irish citizens may vote – so if your polling card doesn’t come or you lose it, just bring along your Irish Passport with you instead.

    You do NOT need to have a polling card to vote, just proof of ID!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:32 PM

    I am and have reminded my family as well
    Voting YES!!!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:29 PM

    A pity that Irish citizens here in the North of Ireland are still refused a vote- it would have been a YES-YES from me.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:37 PM

    It’s children of the Republic that have to endure the consequences of a yes vote so just as well you can’t vote.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:46 PM

    A genuine question Top Cat.

    It’s clear you don’t want same sex couples raising children, we’ve established that much. So how do you reconcile the fact (not the opinion now, the fact) that gay people will continue to have the right to adopt and raise children regardless of the result?

    Your issue seems to be with same sex parenting, and not same sex people committing to each other. Therefore, either way, YES or NO, you lose.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:03 PM

    Vote no because a child deserved the balanced upbringing of a mother and father.
    Without interference/or hindrance.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:09 PM

    “Vote no because a child deserved the balanced upbringing of a mother and father”

    And, again a NO vote will not stop gay people from raising kids. If you believe it will you’re gonna be very dissapointed.

    Just imagine it Dave, gay people are already raising kids and will consider to do so no matter what happens. There is nothing you can do about that.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:16 PM

    Topcat, can you explain to me:
    1. What does a mother bring to the table that a father doesn’t?
    2. What does a father bring to the table that a mother doesn’t?

    You keep saying that a child should have a mother and father (insulting every single parent family in the country) however to me it just stinks of the nuns in the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s who sold babies of unmarried mothers on the basis that they didn’t think it was normal for an unmarried mother to raise a child!

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:18 PM

    David Nolan. Nothing to do with the referendum.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:44 PM

    To deliberately take away the natural order to be raised by a mother and father, is a abuse of a childs right to be raised in a balanced environment.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:44 PM

    Right lloyd.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:53 PM

    @David Nolan:

    You’re comment is about as relevant to the Marriage Referendum as it is to the President Age Referendum. Which is, Not At All.

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:04 PM

    David, my sister is a single Mum. Her marriage didn’t work out. The Dad isn’t around much. Are you suggesting she’s abusing her children?

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:10 PM

    No I did not insinuate that your sister had done or was doing anything wrong, but I would be sure that your sister will most likely will go into another relationship.
    What happened to you sister happened to me.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:13 PM

    A hetrosexual couple relationship does not, deliberately interfere with the natural process of having children,
    Children at the end of the day still have a mom and dad

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:58 PM

    David. Please don’t backtrack. What you said, exactly, was that “to deliberately take away the natural order to be raised by a mother and father, is an abuse of a child’s right to be raised in a balanced environment”. Because of the choice my sister made to divorce, my nephew’s father is no longer around to the same degree. By your reckoning, she ‘deliberately took away the natural order’. By your logic then, my sister is abusing my nephew. Can you clarify that please?

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 7:21 AM

    I’m not back tracking, from the start your sisters children had a mother and a father.
    Thats taken away by way of adoptions and ivf.
    Your sister didn’t get into a relationship with the intention of anything like this happening and most likely her partner didn’t either.
    However the children still have a mother and a father,although they are separated, the children have both.
    Although this is not ideal for anyone concerned, most hetrosexual relationships are valued by society, and the recognition of that culminates more often than not in marriage.After Thousands of years of human development, this relationship has in the last 800+ years has been documented,books,poems,movies,sculptures,paintings,science,psychology,physiology. Billions spent on publishing and purchasing this information.
    Just one example is Dr spock a very famous book for mothers and fathers.
    Society crystalises the relationship mom and dad by the recognition of marriage.
    I don’t believe straight couples get married for tax reasons and if they do its rare.
    They may avail of laws that facilite the protection of the traditional family.But I doubt straight couples go out before or during a relationship looking into the tax or law implications of marriage.
    They may come into play in certain situations, but for most straight couples , the impetus for getting is driven by a desire for children and a commitment to each other and to protect their children.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 7:59 AM

    This is a quote.

    “When my family get together, we end up talking about who looks like who, and who have the same mannerisms and reactions.

    It used to annoy me (“I’m me, not just bits of other people!”) until recently I heard somebody describe how she didn’t know who her father was, or if she looked like him.

    She didn’t know if she had siblings or if she looked like them. It made me realise that I’m lucky that I have clear evidence – in the colour of my eyes and the length of my forehead, in the point of my nose and my freckles – that I am biologically connected to my parents and siblings.

    Also that I have a physical inheritance from my grandparents which I also share with my cousins. I never thought of it before, but my parents’ marriage is written on my face!” Niamh, 22

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:31 AM

    Nice try but you have totally back-tracked.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 1:40 PM

    Lloyd explian…

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:08 PM

    I already explained, David. You’re trying to mitigate your original comment on this point aka backtrack. Too late.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 2:16 PM

    Ok but I think if you go back on my comments you will see your error Lloyd.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 4:21 PM

    Lloyd stop thumbing your own comments and mine its childish.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 4:29 PM

    Lloyd!

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 5:51 PM

    Lloyd….

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 9:08 PM

    Oh Lloyd come on just stop with the thumbing.

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 7:11 AM

    Cheers for that lads wasn’t sure if I was on it or not but I am delighted will be up voting for what I believe in and that is ensuring my daughter will be feee to marry whom she loves be it man or woman! That’s the only relation to children this referendum has. Marriage is not the foundation for families.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:37 PM

    Hard to check the register if the site is down !

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:00 PM

    Vote no and protect the innocence of children. If passed ,over 50 laws concerning children will be changed, this is being kept quiet by the yes campaign and more worryingly being denied.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:05 PM

    Totally untrue.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:42 PM

    @mdmak33

    I challenge you to list the laws that will be changed, with facts on how exactly they will be changed

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:37 PM

    Cant be arsed..if its a yes or no..who cares

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    Mute Lloyd Hetherington
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:59 PM

    Spoken like someone who is allowed to marry his partner.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:01 PM

    You cared enough to leave a comment and read the article.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:03 PM
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    Apr 22nd 2015, 9:15 PM

    There’s a referendum on same sex marriage? Why hasn’t this been mentioned before on the journal??

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:57 PM

    THEY TRIED LOL.

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 8:18 PM

    In view of all scandal at the moment then it is past time to have a full copy of the register on-line and not just a facility where one can see if they are on it – single search rubbish – t
    Basing this on the last time I checked it online …

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 4:41 PM

    I’m in and have my train ticket booked…home to Mammy’s house friday to vote then Eurovision Party Saturday :D

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    Apr 23rd 2015, 11:32 PM

    Do you have to be resident in Ireland to be eligible to vote? I’m Irish but live in Scotland now.

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    Apr 24th 2015, 2:00 AM

    Yes, you have to physically be here. The ‘take the boat to vote’ was a campaign urging Irish citizens living in the UK to come home for the weekend to vote.

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    Apr 24th 2015, 11:43 AM

    Just to clarify, you don’t have to ordinarily be resident here. Just be an Irish citizen, registered to vote and physically present at your polling station on the 22nd. You can check you’re on the register on checktheregister.ie using the address you had in Ireland before you left. :)

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 10:42 PM

    It be funny if you were on the wrong register as many on the U.K. sex offence register are over here now in Dublin???

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    Apr 22nd 2015, 11:57 PM

    IT IS CALLED VETTING LOL.

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