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Leah Farrell

Ex-army officer tells Dáil of offence culture & need for Chief of staff powers to suspend wrongdoers

Cathal Berry, TD, calls for discipline powers to be given to Chief of Staff to deal with alleged abusers in military.

A FORMER MILITARY officer and sitting TD has said that a culture of automatically taking offence at criticism has stymied efforts to deal with a toxic workplace identified in the Independent Review Group (IRG) into conduct in the Defence Forces. 

Cathal Berry, who is a former senior officer in the Army Ranger Wing, called on the Tánaiste Micheál Martin to give the Chief of Staff of the Defence Forces the same powers as the Garda Commissioner to suspend people as investigations of wrongdoing are conducted. 

Berry was speaking during statements in the Dáil by TDs and the Minister for Defence on the IRG report into abuse and harassment in the military. 

He welcomed the report and called on those people who were identified as abusers to be dismissed out of the armed forces and welcomed an independent oversight body as well as a statutory enquiry. 

He identified two key issues around culture which is centred around an institutional inability to accept criticism.

“The first one is that our our forces are hypersensitive to criticism and I felt that myself that dissent is almost regarded as being unpatriotic or worse that it’s a manifestation of ill-discipline.

“When I came here after 23 years in the Armed Forces, the first skill I had to develop was the ability to take criticism without taking offence. So the first thing if we can change something in the defence forces, it’s removed as hypersensitivity to criticism,” he said. 

Berry also identified a second issue that he believes would help to solve the problem of complainants being treated badly.

He said that the military is rightfully “obsessed with excellence” but said this was having a negative outcome. 

“Excellence is important. But because of this obsession with image, they take complaints very, very poorly, that complaints are something that should be embraced, not something that should be resisted,” he added. 

He said a key solution for the Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Seán Clancy was to be given the power to suspend accused wrong doers. 

“Just one suggestion as well as I know the Garda Commissioner has the means and the legal authority to suspend somebody on full pay provided there’s enough evidence without prejudice to any investigation.

“The Chief of Staff doesn’t have that power,” he added. 

Understood

Tánaiste Micheál Martin did not address that point in his summation but earlier in his speech he spoke of confidence that military leadership understood the scale of the problem.  

“The implementation of the IRG’s recommendations will require a considerable and shared effort, not least on the part of the Defence Forces’ leadership and I’m confident following extensive discussions with the Chief of Staff that the scale of what is needed is understood.

“This week has been a very challenging period for the Defence Forces.  But for the good, professional people of integrity who do serve in the Defence Forces, it also marks a new start,” he said. 

Martin turned his attention to the perpetrators of “unacceptable, misogynistic or bullying behaviour” and said “this is the end of it. It simply has to stop”.

“You have no place, and no future in Oglaigh na hÉireann,” he added.

 

Richard Bruton, TD, had asked the Tánaiste in regard to how would the statutory inquiry operate. 

Martin said that a key pillar would be the ability of the tribunal to compel people to appear before it.

He added that this would not just involve the Defence Forces but the examination would also include the Department of Defence – adding that it will include examinations of senior management and officials.

The Tánaiste said that previous efforts to deal with the issue, such as the Independent Monitoring Group (IMG) were not effective.

The IMG was established in 2002 following reports into abuse and “negative behaviours” within the Defence organisation. 

In some commentary by Dáil deputies there were comments about the importance of solving the retention of staff and recruitment problems but Martin took a different view.

He said they would address the issues identified in regard to resourcing, staffing and capability but the problems identified in the IRG would have to be the focus.  

“We will be doing more but let’s not lose focus on what is fundamentally wrong here is the culture that is prevalent, throughout the forces,” he said. 

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    Mar 30th 2023, 8:29 PM

    This advertorial was brought to you by the Defence Forces Press Office and associated puppets.

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:12 PM

    @Gavin Tobin: very true….i actually kinda of like this guy Cathal but im shocked at his statement about suspension…. especially for a military officer….the defence forces already have huge powers to discipline troops… they don’t need to suspend soldiers they have greater powers already up to and including military courts that are the only other courts recognise by the state as in if you’re found guilty of a serious crime in a military court you can be sentenced to a normal prison not a military detention centre….at the moment any soldier accused of wrong dooing can be brought up on orders and confined to barracks while the investigation is going on ….

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:37 PM

    @Dave Ryan: CoS getting power to suspend? Can we trust brass to not abuse even more power?

    Have zero respect for Berry. He’s part of the problem, read this.

    https://www.accas.info/archives/2681

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:51 PM

    @Gavin Tobin: wasn’t aware of that ….so he is the same as the rest of them

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:55 PM

    @Gavin Tobin: unfortunately Gavin they will do what they have done in so many cases they will drag it out in the hope that the unfortunate people involved either die or take their own life….. witch i am away has happened with a few air corps troops

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    Mar 30th 2023, 11:15 PM

    @Dave Ryan: A protected disclosure was made to Simon Coveney in December 2015 alleging possibly 8 untimely deaths.

    Since then we have recorded a further 40 new untimely deaths & discovered another 60 earlier untimely deaths 99 males & 1 female average age of death 53 years.

    Current Minister Micheál Martin called for a public inquiry into the Air Corps toxic chemical exposure scandal in February 2017 & met with 6 survivors in June 2017. A further 28 personnel have died since we met with Martin in fact one of the 6 had a heart attack 3 days after meeting him & is lucky to be alive.

    #DelayDenyDie is the political & legal strategy we are dealing with and it is working well for the state.

    Here’s Martin 6 years ago.
    https://youtu.be/vwwxq1XMHjs

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:49 PM

    There are faults in the PDF that need addressing, particularly bullying and misogyny but the GOC’s already have the powers to deal with it and they do use them. Cathal Berry TD, as usual will use any forum for his self aggrandisement. It’s all a smoke screen to cover for his voting with the government to end the eviction ban. He has consistently voted against everything he told his army constituents he stood for. I wouldn’t believe the Lord’s Prayer from his mouth.

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    Mar 30th 2023, 9:58 PM

    @Rosemary Flowers: . never trust an officer is still valid in the case of this guy i guess…pity because now he has a place at the table he could have used it for some good

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    Mar 30th 2023, 11:19 PM

    @Rosemary Flowers: you mean Cathal Berry is not “Credible Competent & Caring” as per his own website slogan….shocked I am.

    Wasn’t very competent with his voting yesterday LOL

    I know former personnel who canvassed for him in 2020 who will protest his clinics if he runs again. He is an utter disappointment for all the military family who supported him.

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    Mar 30th 2023, 11:52 PM

    I done my recruitment training in 1978, there is no comparison between then and how it is today, we had no health and safety, poor equipment and conditions, there was bullying even brutality, it’s not a holiday u signed up for, ur a bunch of comrades relying on each other to help win during a conflict, if u cant take it u shud go, I seen big strong lads give up to easily and the weak lad do the business, if ur mentally strong enuf to take it then get up and get on with it or else leave and don’t bad mouth about it, u learn discipline and respect which is something that’s missing in the youth of today, I stayed for 27yrs and seen lots of bullying but u have to stand up for urself like these women are doing, the bullies are few and far between and usually get their comeuppance in the end.

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    Mar 30th 2023, 10:21 PM

    Need to weed out the bad apples and discharge them a.s.a.p. but it’s going on for years so some of the bad apples are high ranking now

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    Mar 31st 2023, 12:33 AM

    Department of enterprise n reform
    awfull place to work bullying is the norm
    Pascal Donoghue is minister there pay attention to HEO n AP n PO in your Department it’s awfull for graduates experienced staff to be humiliated by so called managers under staffed n historical workload People have choices make no mistake about it
    Bullying staff is not acceptable full stop.

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    Mar 30th 2023, 11:43 PM

    Why would anyone subject themselves to this crap. It is still endemic in public n civil service in 2023 awfull shower of control freaks

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    Mar 31st 2023, 10:43 PM

    After being on the receiving of military as one of those brave souls who came forward and also realising the treatment I got after reading the report it explains alot it doesn’t help to explain to my why I lost my job after admitting that I became so desperate after being abused years earlier I tried to end my torment and then through a series of enexplicable dicisions to then be medically boarded more 13 years later because of Mental illness and I dared try to standup for myself . I am looking forward to the inquiry .The system in ables bullies more then then now for those that didn’t stand up and report my abusers when one was overseas shame on you by not dealing with them you are also responsible be proud of yourselves you are also part of the problem .

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