What other gulf states?and I thought Saudi Arabia was a western ally?

The Saudis are the largest exporters of Salafi Wahhabism in the world. Whether they’re funding ISIS directly or not, the fact remains the ideology they espouse bears much resemblance to the one of ISIS.
The Saudis are the largest importer of US arms globally and they’re currently killing hundreds of civilians in Yemen with US, British and French support. The influence of Saudi in that region along with the destabilisation of Iraq has contributed to the monstrosity that is ISIS.

Yeah, well Saudi Arabia is involved in a proxy war with Iran for dominance over who supplies the rest of the world with its resources . Syria, being an ally with Iran, is pipeline central for any resources to be pumped towards Europe. Saudi Arbia wants to destabilize Syria, thus weakening Irans position, so it arms and funds ISIS. Que Bueno or who benefits is Saudi Arabia and the mega global corporations who control the oil supply…..Sometimes truth is definitely stranger than fiction.

Wikileaks:

“Saudi Arabia is the world’s largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton. “More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups,” says a secret December 2009 paper. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. “Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide,” she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.”

The fact that the US and other Western powers continue to supply the Saudi government with billions in weaponry proves they prioritise money above the victims of terrorism.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cables-saudi-terrorist-funding

The elephant in the room that all appear to be ignoring for some reason.

Derek: That is definitely correct. Iran is a theocracy and has its issues with human rights, but it is not the reason for major instability throughout the region despite what the neocons in Washington claim.

How will the World respond? In the UK:

“In the coming weeks the government’s surveillance bill will be passing through the Commons. If we truly believe in standing in solidarity with Paris, we must let it pass. We must demand it passes.”

“I have less and less sympathy with those who oppose the new surveillance powers that the government would like to give the security services……..I want these people properly spied on, properly watched – and I bet you do, too.”

Actually they were largely armed and trained, directly and indirectly by the U.S. They receive their funding from Saudi Arabia and seized oil wells. Qutar actually funds the slightly more moderate Muslim Brotherhood.
The west needs to start openly asking questions of the Saudis.

That’s not the point of this badly written article. The ISIL say they have two enemies. The “near enemy ” ( local) and the ” far enemy” , the West. Now that they have their Caliphate , they are turning attention to the far enemy . That is the strategy. The article could be a lot shorter , a lot more precise , and a lot more accurate. It is waffle.

Where did ISIS get their weapon originally.
During the second Iraq war Saddam opened all Iraq’s armouries to the public in the mis-belief that all Iraqis would rally to him and with patriotic pride defend Iraq against the invasion. After Saddam’s government fell and his military went on the run, many of his Officer Corp found a home with AQ which later split into ISIS.
ISIS gained strength among Iraq’s Sunni tribes when the Shia dominated government began punitive measures against the Sunni minority. And with the professional military leadership from Saddam’s old guard and Obama’s withdrawal of US forces (despite all his military and intelligence peoples advice) the new Iraqi army was in no position to resist them, going so far that two entire Divisions (25,000 troops) abandoned all their equipment (even their uniforms) and ran away.
When ISIS captured Iraq’s Central Bank the got a windfall amounting to $5 Billion. They became the richest terrorist organization in history. You can buy a lot of equipment with 5 Billion and the illegal arms market don’t care who the buyer is as long as the money is good.

That article is a load of b*llox. It says who is fighting them yet just mentions the Yanks and their allies, they are dropping a few bombs but they are fighting nobody. The SAA, Hezbollah, Iranians, Iraqi militias, Kurds and a tiny number of Assads opponents are fighting them in the ground.

Once again you learn more from the comments section than you do from the article

A lot of their weapons came from the wests arming of rebel groups to fight Assad and from the iraqi army units they defeated, which were also supplied by the west after saddam was defeated and the iraqi army was reorganised and re armed. This is what happens when other countries meddle in the affairs of unstable countries. The west largely has to shoulder the blame for the rise of Isis. Another article on the journal seems to be placing the blame at Assads brutal put down of the arab spring but isis was already on the rise in western iraq and just took advantage of the chaos of the syrian civil war. With russia now involved backing assad the west should forget about toppling assad and concentrate on working with the russians to conquer isis once and for all, they can then go about the problem of assad in a more dignified and effective way than arming every group it comes across thats willing to fight. Arming militants always comes back to bite you in the ar$e eventually

Monty..agreed,Iran is the most powerful Shi’a state and bitterly resents the fact that Saudi Arabia is custodian of Mecca,Medina etc…Islam’s holiest sites.

D. H….indeed.

There are radical muslims and moderate muslims: A radical muslim wants to behead you! A moderate muslim wants a radical muslim to behead you.

…”after the time of the prophet Muhammad’s death. Isis has resurrected the idea.”

A note to the author – FALSE – The caliphate went from the time of the false prophet Mohammed to the end of the First World War with the collapse of the Ottoman empire.

ISIS, Al Quaeda, Al Nusra and Muslim Brotherhood etc are all the same organisation cloaked with different brand names.

DH the Syrian civil war was on going about 2 years before ISIS got involved. And when they dodge so it was not only against the SAA but also against the Kurds, the FSA, and their former associates in AQ. By that time they had already over run large parts of Northern Iraq and had captured a lot of equipment that the West had given to the fledgling Iraqi army. Obama’s attitude was to arm the Iraqi army to the teeth and leave them to it, completely ignoring his own military and intelligence leaders. Something he has done time and time again.

The US UK and France have started ww3 All for an oil pipeline just fantastic. And now we have the US talking about war with Russia for the resources in the north pole.

Yes Anne I’m in agreement with you but the reason that I’m against such measures is because we all know the greatest abusers of civil liberties are democratically elected governments. that’s the reason we all need civil rights. yes these criminals use them to get around the law but my view is if the authorities did their jobs properly then there is enough legislation to combat these groups

Mick yes you’re right, thats what i was saying. That isis started in iraq and just took advantage of the chaotic civil war in syria to gain both territory and weapons that were supplied to the rebels by the west.Its never a good idea to arm rebels in these proxy wars because you end up looking down the barrel of your own guns. Same thing happened in afghanistan after the russians left, western supplied weapons turned on the west by the mujahideen

Most of their weapons came from Saddams armouries, those abandoned by the new Iraqi army and the illegal arms market. Remember ISIS captured 5 Billion Dollars in Cash when they took the Iraqi central bank in Mosul. Added to that they are getting income from selling oil to the Assad regime and other Black Market forces and are taxing all those living in the areas that they occupy. Black Market Arms dealers will sell to anyone as long as the price is right.
Take all the ISIS’s Heavy Armour and artillery. It’s all Russian surplus. There is a huge market for cheap ex-Soviet/weapons that flooded the arms market after the fall of the Soviet Union. So ISIS has very little need for the West to arm them.

The insidious influence of American Jewry on US foreign politics means that Iran is being threatened by both the US and Israel because they want to join the Nuclear Club to protect their borders from the Sunni hordes (ISIS) in surrounding states like Saudia Arabia.

Writer of the main article should read the comments and go away and write a proper article on the subject. Thanks to the posters for some good info.

This video explains a lot…cut to the chase: The US provided most weapons directly and indirectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6kdi1UXxhY&feature=youtu.be

Mick the west has already armed them , inadvertantly maybe but armed them none the less. Most of the weapons stolen from the iraqi army were paid for by the US, and its been widely reported that most of the sophisticated weaponry paid for by the US that was supposed to arm the more moderate rebel groups fighting Assad has ended up in the hands of isis. This is the folly of arming militants in this part of the world. Its never worked before and it doesnt work now. The only winners are the military complex that manufacture weapons and i might add whose interest lies in perpetual war

http://educateinspirechange.org/alternative-news/media-telling-real-origin-isis/

The root is us foreign policy.

Fred Astare – that’s a great comment about radical and moderate Muslims. And true too! Their faith specifically dictates Jihad as their duty

ISIS is a creation of Western governments. Listen to Gearoid O’Colmain explain it. https://youtu.be/L7GAbVhjTSw

The US made them and armed them and are still arming the. Sometimes saudi will arm them with US and English and Israeli made weapons. The Paris massacre didn’t stop the US to stop arming them but it’s continued. The worst the situation and the more land grab.

Good informative piece, I enjoyed it.

Spied on with no evidence necessary. One mans “terrorist” is another mans political representative/activist. Privacy as a right is crucial for freedom

Well practice what you preach then mr Hoffman. Up off your ar$e so and get fighting in the Middle East. Or maybe you prefer that other people do the fighting while you voice brave and heroic comments on the Internet? Yeah that’s what I thought. Your attitude is no better than the crooked foreign policies that caused this mess in the first instance. There will always be armchair morons like you willing send young men to their deaths in the name of bravery. That’s the real shame

I thought that the US supported Sadam when he invaded Iran? Did the US not shoot down the Iranian civilian passenger jet during the terrible war?

Niall. Saddam was always Russia’s man. Look at the army under Saddam. All their weapons were Russian, their Officer Corp was trained by Russian Officers. In the Iran/Iraq war the US took the attitude that Saddam was the lesser of the two evils and so supported him with intelligence.

And then the will be back to the correct prophet… Eventually

Your deep molten hatred of the US has blinded you to reality Sean Yes the US are no angles in the middle east but the sectarian hatred between Sunni and Shia has been around for a thousand years Islam has from its inception conquered by the sword before the US existed

What nonsense. ISIS are just Wahabbists under a different name. The Wahabbists were a 19th century movement who brought a strict “prophet methodology” to the Arabian peninsula. The only difference between them and ISIS is the level of violence. The Wahabbists movement found ready adherents in Saudi Arabia but ISIS have declared war on Shi’a Muslims and declared them as apostates and want to eradicate them all. The idea that a US think thank created a strictly Quranic interpretation of Islam is utter nonsense.

Could you two geniuses point out to me where I said americans were to blame for extremist Islam. No, my point being that there will always be a shister who will jump in and take advantage of divisions between people for their own gain, it was the modus operandi of any empire building nation ever, divide and rule..
And Donk don’t assume I’m anti American because im anti unbridled capitalist greed, the two are not necessarily the same.. there are plenty of admirable Americans