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'I was punched in the face': ED nurse on why there's no appetite for strike but it may be 'only way'

Dublin-based nurse Moira Wynne said that the lack of homecare for older people is affecting the entire health service.

LAST UPDATE | 4 May 2023

MOIRA WYNNE HAS been an emergency department nurse in Dublin for fourteen years. In her own words she can “cope with a lot”, but she reached a breaking point when a man punched her in the face while she was on duty. 

“It wasn’t the patient’s fault,” Wynne explained. 

“I want to be able to go into work and provide an environment for patients where they are looked after, and I am not concerned about being able to keep them safe. 

“There’s been many times when someone comes in who is experiencing mental health issues, and they are waiting in a hall where it is noisy, bright lights are on constantly, it’s crowded, doctors are coming in and out, ambulances are arriving. 

“For vulnerable people that is the worst situation to be in. We should have quiet spaces where they are able to be assessed, and staff are there to do that, and we do have one of those spaces, but sometimes three or four other people should have a safe space as well. That is what really gets to me,” Wynne said. 

“I am usually very calm, but when I got punched I went and sat down in an office and cried. My colleague came in and said ‘Oh my God, you never cry!’, but that day I couldn’t hope,” she added. 

The Clinical Manager said that she believes that there is no real “appetite” for industrial action amongst the Irish Nurses and Midwives Organisation (INMO) member’s at the conference this week, but that “it might be the only way to see changes made, but I hope not”. 

“When we talk about the safe staffing framework, it is not some made up plan. It is facts-based. We want to see it implemented with some weight behind it. That means that if, as part of the framework, there needs to be four nurses in your team, there are. When one person leaves, no one is able to turn around and say ‘Well maybe you will be okay with three,’ and then not replace them,” Wynne added. 

INMO has voted in favour of holding a national ballot on industrial action if sufficient progress is not made on a safe staffing framework that is underpinned by legislation.

This move comes despite Health Minister Stephen Donnelly promising an extra 25 million in funding for 854 additional nurses in acute hospitals across the country. 

“Where is he going to get them from? We’ve heard promises like this before, but we know that the recruitment process is unnecessarily slow, and we have approved positions that are vacant in the health service,” Wynne said. 

“Migrant nurses are being made to come here and pay to do a test that isn’t like anything I did when I got my qualifications – and if they fail it twice, by even getting one station out of fourteen wrong, they are out. 

“For people looking to move to practice in other parts of the country, you’d think that that would be fairly simple, but it isn’t, it can take six or nine months and you need to go through all of the paperwork again, including garda vetting,” she added.

The Dublin-based nurse said that she believes the lack of investment in older people’s services is contributing in a serious way to the backlog for discharges and transfers in acute settings, and has a knock on effect on the entire health system. 

“It is like we are on a hamster wheel.

Older people go through deconditioning, and they are able to be discharged, but there is no availability for homecare hours to make sure that they will be looked after at home, they can’t even get twelve hours a week. 

“Families try to do it, and we see them exhausted, but in many cases they cannot do it all by themselves. So one thing knocks into another. That patient continues to stay in an acute bed, we end up with overcrowding, the staff cannot cope with the demand, and non-urgent surgeries get cancelled. 

“That means that by the time a patient who is pushed back on a waiting list comes to us, they are sicker, and they are then also in hospital for longer. 

“In some cases, an older person can come in for something like a chest infection, and because they can’t get homecare hours, they end up going into a private nursing home. We are paying a very large amount of money to these private facilities, when we should be invested in helping people to get back home,” Wynne said. 

Being redeployed to other wards that are short staffed is an issue that is affecting emergency department nurses up and down the country – a motion was passed calling for the practice to end within the health service at INMO’s conference. 

“It is not like a site manager would redeploy us just for the sake of annoying someone. They come into the ED and think things look under control, and then people get asked to go to other areas. 

“The thing is, things can look under control one minute, and there can be a very urgent situation, like patients coming in after a car crash, the next. 

“It also affects us retaining staff. Some nurses have gone on to complete postgraduate study specifically in emergency department work, and they don’t feel they can do that to the best of their ability when they are redeployed, or we have patients coming into us who should be able to get seen by a GP,” Wynne said. 

Bernard Gloster, the CEO of the HSE, made a number of promises on changes to critical care planning, and changes to the structure of the HSE, which should see more senior managers reporting directly to him. 

Wynne, who has attended many INMO conferences, said that listening to Gloster she felt some “hope that things will change”, because he “recognised the problems we are facing, and spoke about solutions and deadlines”. 

“We are so used to being told that we are so hardworking, that we are the cornerstone of the health service. We are tired of that. It seemed to me that he is someone who wants to confront the reality of the situation. 

“I like what he said about scrapping the winter plans, because they are a joke. We follow them each year when in reality, we go back after Christmas and it is just as bad, and the situation isn’t getting better during the rest of the year either. Then we are meant to act surprised that people are in unsuitable conditions. 

“I love what I do. I feel very honoured that peoplFe trust me to look after their relatives. I’m proud to make a difference and to work with such an amazing team. I just want to be able to do my job well,” Wynne said. 

“We also need to end the disconnect between the people making the plans, and the people working on the frontline. Look at what has happened with the new Limerick ED. My colleagues are working there and it is like a war zone, but it was meant to be a solution at the time. We need to bring together the interested parties and have an honest conversation about the way forward in order to future proof our hospitals,” she added. 

Minister Donnelly is set to address the INMO conference tomorrow. 

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    Mute Declan Moran
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    May 4th 2023, 9:40 PM

    The level of abuse nurses and other healthcare staff have to put up with on a daily basis is outrageous. There doesn’t seem to be much support from management on these issues so I’m with them on this. The workplace should be safe and free from all of this. God knows their job is hard enough as it is

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    May 4th 2023, 10:26 PM

    @Declan Moran: I totally agree with you on this. I would go a bit further and say there is NO support from management or the HSE desk jockeys. I admire the perseverance of medical staff in these difficult circumstances.

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    Mute Alan Wright
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    May 5th 2023, 2:16 AM

    @Declan Moran: Not to take away, but I’ll add in our Firefighters. How anyone can attack them when trying to save lives. There needs to be harsh & consistent sentences for anyone attacking these vital (nurse/doctor/firefighters) people.

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    May 5th 2023, 9:39 AM

    @Richard Starling: Not to knock the argument with regards to the abuse that these folk endure; but the HSE management really have little recourse to do anything. And as a former healthcare worker – I have no gra for HSE management.

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    May 5th 2023, 12:09 PM

    @Alan Wright: You could add paramedics to that list.

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    Mute Patrick Lynch
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    May 4th 2023, 10:54 PM

    It is beyond my compression how anyone can abuse either verbally or physically medical staff. This behaviour should never be tolerated .

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    Mute John McDonagh
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    May 4th 2023, 11:11 PM

    @Patrick Lynch: ——-But it is, by the H.S.E. authorities AND THE COURTS,

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    Mute Simran Collops
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    May 5th 2023, 9:36 AM

    @Patrick Lynch: The sad reality of working on the frontline is that verbal abuse originates mostly from your own medical and nursing colleagues – all of whom are painfully overworked and overstressed. It is tolerated – but that does not make it okay.

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    Mute Gerry Dornan
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    May 4th 2023, 9:39 PM

    Strike..

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    Mute Eddie Garvey
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    May 5th 2023, 1:53 AM

    There is not a chance that the nurses will strike in any meaningful way for pay and conditions. They have a union that appears to be in the pocket of the govt and as a profession who care about their patients they will avoid anything that would negatively impact their patients. The result is they are underpaid and placed under poor working conditions. The govt and the public will continue to take them for granted until the profession becomes so unattractive that standards and quality of those entering the profession drop and it is only at this point that the public will be effected and at that point it will be too late to reverse. We value solicitors, accountants, TDs, senators, estate agents, etc in this country, nurses we don’t value.

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    Mute Dave Barrett
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    May 5th 2023, 12:17 AM

    Strike. Bring this government to its knees. Hospital have become very dangerous places to go. Our health care staff are burnt out.

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    May 5th 2023, 4:22 AM

    There should be security guards in all emergency departments

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    Mute Stephen Deegan
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    May 5th 2023, 12:13 PM

    @Paulco: There is, but they’re normally not present when a patient is being assessed. Assaults usually happen when the care worker and the aggressor are one to one.

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    May 5th 2023, 7:26 AM

    Any so called strike will be a day, or two at most. The preparation for the strike will include plans to ensure the minimum effect on patient care. Already there is the problem. Those demonstrating will be mainly sacrificing rest days or turning up on a leave day. My wife is a nurse manager, so deals with endless emails, rosters, HSE admin demands. Should she demonstrate or picket, she will have to work a v long day the next day to catch up. Aside from some cancelled non urgent appts, any strike will have zero effect. The INMO have no imagination. Two practical things they could do is campaign against the demand for nurses to have to pay each year to be allowed work (registration fee, imagine!) or HSE taking months to be able to issue a retired staff members first pay slip

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    May 5th 2023, 9:31 AM

    Ah yes – the age old excuse of blaming the HSE – lol. In reality the HSE is dogged by the same bureaucratic red tape that has delayed all progress in this country for many years.
    To put things in context, let me say I am a former front-line healthcare worker who spent 20 years busting my gut to care for people in a system that barely provides for its own. I did burn out. And I left, and honestly have never looked back.
    The problem is above the level of the HSE. Our own government does not provide for our people.
    Lack of hospital beds, lack of doctors/nurses… compounded by lack of adequate on site staff parking facilities, poor conditions – and all of that before we even begin to deal with the fact that on any given day, almost 25% of hospital beds are occupied by people who could be cared for in the community, but the community health support network is so non-existent, that they cannot be discharged.
    Couple that with big decisions like building new hospitals – the childrens hospital for example; in 2010 it was unveiled as going to built on the Mater hospital site – until Dublin City Council intervened and objected to a staff car-park that would be required, which delayed things yet again, before ultimately being built elsewhere in an equally inaccessible part of the city (which ranks in the top 10 for worst traffic in the world).
    The budgetary overruns involved are not the fault of the HSE – but our government. The delays in its delivery are not the fault of the HSE – but our government. The lack of a decent community healthcare support network is not the fault of the HSE – but our government. The lack of housing for not only our own people, but the refugees that our government agreed to house, are again the fault of our government.

    When do we finally say – enough is enough?

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    May 5th 2023, 11:07 PM

    As a health care worker there is no clear protocol in the HSE to complain against abusive patients.
    Yet abusive patients can complain and readily be abusive to a person merely trying to do their job.
    Surely under employment law a person deserves respect in the workplace???

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    May 5th 2023, 5:49 PM

    HAving dealth with the HSE at many diferent levels, from patitent to advocate. I have to agree with the front line staff.
    Sitting i a hospital corridor will tech you loads. Thhe amount of people carrying sheets of paper outnumbers the amount of frontline staff.
    Try to get documentation and it takes forever and it costs a fortune. Getting and FIS can take what feels like a liofetime.
    Slaintecare is supposed to solve this but the HSE Mandarins will not let go of their power easily. Betwwn them and the ncivil servants in the Dept of Health they weild a lot of power and have no intention of letting oit go withiut a hell of a fight.

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    May 5th 2023, 8:56 PM

    @Gary Kearney: Slaintecare is an utter mess, and will not do anything to solve the issues.
    First and foremost, we need digital health records available nationwide; so that Jo Bloggs’ health record from Navan, who fell off his cousins ladder in Claremorris while trying to fix his roof, is accessible to the well meaning doctors in UCHG etc.
    Encryption does not need to cost the earth – leave it dependent on the consumer to decide their own encryption key/level. If they make it impossible then great for them – so long as they have decided on an ICE contact who has access to their key.
    Personally – I am more concerned with my financial security than my health records – and they (the banks) have no problem unilaterally deciding what is supposedly secure.

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    May 5th 2023, 8:58 PM

    @Gary Kearney: And Slaintecare is designed by the HSE mandarins you describe :(

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    May 5th 2023, 6:58 AM

    thought she was Gemma O’Doherty

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