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Justice Minister Simon Harris Leah Farrell/RollingNews.ie

Harris takes aim at Elon Musk and Donald Trump Jr during defence of Govt's hate speech bill

There have been concerns raised about Section 10 of the proposed legislation by the ICCL.

JUSTICE MINISTER SIMON Harris has defended the Government’s hate speech legislation, saying it passed through the Dáil with cross party support.

The Justice Minister said, following criticism from Donald Trump Jr and Elon Musk, that he did not take his political philosophy from either of the men and claimed that concerns had been overstated. 

“The reality here is just people trying to overstate things for whatever reason, that’s fine. We live in a democracy that people have their debate,” Harris said.

“This legislation went to Dáil Éireann, there is not much that the opposition and the government agree on. Overwhelmingly, the Dáil passed this legislation, because it’s not about policing thought. It’s not about stopping freedom of expression.”

People Before Profit voted against the bill, while Sinn Féin and Labour voted for amendments to remove Section 10 of the Bill.

However, both Sinn Féin and Labour voted in favour of the overall bill.

The legislation aims to update the laws on hate speech in Ireland by strengthening the legal recognition of hatred in the criminal justice system.

The bill seeks to create new, aggravated forms of a number of existing criminal offences, in cases where those offences are proven to be motivated by prejudice against ten “protected characteristics”.

These characteristics are: race; colour; nationality; religion (including the absence of religion); national or ethnic origin; descent; gender; sex characteristics; sexual orientation; and disability.

However, controversy has surrounded Section 10 of the bill, which relates to a proposed offence of preparing or being in possession of material that is deemed likely to incite violence or hatred.

Although possession of such material will be allowed for strictly personal use, a subsection of this part of the bill states that those who are found in possession of hateful material will “be presumed, until the contrary is proved” to be in breach of the law.

An excerpt of this section was shared widely online last week, and attracted criticism from Elon Musk, who described it as “massive attack against freedom of speech” and Donald Trump Jr, who described the legislation as “one of the most radical hate speech bills” in the world.

A vote, proposed by People Before Profit TD Paul Murphy, to remove this section of the bill was defeated before the legislation passed final stage in the Dáil last week.

The bill is now currently passing through the Seanad after it received Dáil approval.

Harris said that the proposed laws were about “keeping people safe and making sure that people can go about their lives and not be discriminated against”.

He added that people had a right to say offensive things, but that they did not have a right to incite hatred against others.

“It’s not your right, absolutely not your right, to say something that incites hatred or danger towards another person.

“Whenever you see Donald Trump Jr, the Trump family and Elon Musk oppose your legislation and then you see Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil, the Greens, Sinn Féin, Labour coming together to vote in favour of something? You know, there’s no conspiracy here.”

The Irish Council for Civil Liberties (ICCL), who have broadly welcomed the bill and the protections it offers vulnerable groups, also expressed concerns about Section 10 of the proposed legislation.

“Normally in the criminal case, the burden is on the prosecutor to prove the offence. That’s at the heart of what it is to be presumed innocent,” Doireann Ansbro, ICCL’s Head of Legal and Policy told The Journal.

“What we’re seeing here, we would agree, is that there is a reversal of the burden of proof. We would totally disagree with that. We think it should be on the prosecutor to prove any every element of a crime. We don’t agree with any kind of reversing of the burden of proof.”

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    Mute Green Burqa
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:17 PM

    Missleading headline makes it look like it was in ireland.

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    Mute Rob Cunningham
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:19 PM

    It doesn’t, You assumed wrong.

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    Mute vv7k7Z3c
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:24 PM

    The hashtag is London, which is visible on all apps and desktop in the same way the headline is.

    Cheers and Happy Christmas

    :)

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    Mute blakely_edward
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:33 PM

    Miaow

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    Mute Gerard Tuohy
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:52 PM

    in fairness its an irish news site so unless stated its reasonably safe to presume its ireland,little dull hashtags of which there are several doesnt make it plain to see

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    Mute vv7k7Z3c
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:57 PM

    It is the main hashtag, which appears beside the headline in both the apps and desktop. Thanks!

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    Mute Common Chimpanzee
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    Dec 26th 2013, 4:50 PM

    Do people still use hashtags nowadays?

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    Dec 27th 2013, 6:42 AM

    head up sinead keep up the good work

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    Mute Brianán Mc Bride
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    Dec 27th 2013, 10:01 PM

    I’ve never noticed hash tags until now and tag is not shown when you look at list of news stories, London should have been in headline as I too presumed nightclub was in Ireland.

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    Mute Gerard Tuohy
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    Dec 28th 2013, 3:56 PM

    say it a third time wont make it any more prominent

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    Mute margaret
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:08 PM

    Why is a shooting in a London nightclub news?

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    Mute knowyourplace
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:12 PM

    Because there was a shooting in a London nite club

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    Mute Common Chimpanzee
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:20 PM

    But Ireland doesn’t care

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    Mute margaret
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:22 PM

    One of hundreds in London. Why does this particular one make Irish news?

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    Mute Holly Kelly-Byrne
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    Dec 26th 2013, 5:25 PM

    Lads if you “don’t care”, don’t click the bloody article and proceed to read it, then comment on it to have a moan.

    Some of us have an interest in the world outside of Ireland.

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    Mute Common Chimpanzee
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    Dec 26th 2013, 5:31 PM

    Alright Holly, calm down… Don’t be getting your knickers in a twist

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    Mute Gill Traynor
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    Dec 26th 2013, 3:20 PM

    @green burqa.. didnt think nightclubs opened in ireland on christmas day.

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    Dec 26th 2013, 5:09 PM

    I despair at the amount of bullies on this site with nothing better to do.
    It was a good article Sinéad, well done! :)

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    Mute Mick Hillman
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    Dec 26th 2013, 11:24 PM

    Why cant u use ur real name so

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    Mute Kevin O'Sullivan
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    Dec 26th 2013, 4:49 PM

    I looked at the headline and assumed it couldn’t be Ireland, but seeing as this is an Irish news portal I just clicked in to be 100% sure. Regardless of hashtags, which I for one don’t look at, it is a completely misleading headline but that’s normal enough for this site. A custom we should be all used to, in fairness!

    Happy Christmas anyway!

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    Dec 26th 2013, 6:33 PM

    Lots of Us have Family and Friends in London.

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    Mute perthy
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    Dec 26th 2013, 4:29 PM

    The journal. UK

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    Mute Common Chimpanzee
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    Dec 26th 2013, 4:51 PM

    Dot co dot you Kay

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    Mute Arthur Spooner
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    Dec 26th 2013, 4:24 PM

    Yaya Yaya Toure Kolo Kolo Kolo Kolo Toure Yaya Yaya To…. *gets shot*

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    Dec 26th 2013, 9:48 PM

    Maybe because there are more Irish people living in London than in most Irish counties.

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    Dec 26th 2013, 7:46 PM

    Typical England.

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    Dec 29th 2013, 5:45 AM

    This one didn’t even make London local news! Common place here in London to be honest.

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    Dec 29th 2013, 7:51 AM

    Hi Lucie,

    In fact, it did. Was reported by all the British press, including BBC, Sky etc. And the London Evening Standard. Christmas Day shootings will generally make the news, even if shootings are quite common the rest of the year. Sad state of affairs though that it wouldn’t be news :(

    Sinéad

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