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Irish Defence Forces

'Not enough being done' to implement key recommendations in landmark Defence report

PDFORRA, the group representing 6,500 enlisted members of the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps, will begin its annual delegate conference in Trim, Co Meath today.

LAST UPDATE | 9 May 2023

NOT ENOUGH IS being done to implement key recommendations twelve months after the landmark Commission on the Defence Forces report was published, a conference will hear today.

Mark Keane, President of PDFORRA, the group representing 6,500 enlisted members of the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps, speaking ahead of the group’s annual delegate conference in Trim, Co Meath said key undertakings by Government must be delivered to ensure the future of the military. 

The Commission on the Defence Forces looked at the capabilities of the Irish military and made sweeping recommendations for urgent institutional change and resourcing. This was followed then with a Government Action Plan.

Keane said that issues including the lack of certainty in contracts for non-commissioned ranks officers, resourcing, retention of staff and pay have not been solved.

He also said that the issue of bullying, sexual assault and harassment identified in the recently published Independent Review Group should be taken as an opportunity to bring positive change to the organisation. 

The first Ombudsman for the Defence Forces, Ms Paulynn Marrinane Quinn BL, will address conference delegates on Thursday morning.

It is expected that Quinn will address delegates on the history of the establishment of her office and the initial reports of the Independent Monitoring Group (IMG), which was established following the revelations of Senator Tom Cloonan in 2001.

The IMG was a body which reported back on the efforts and progress of the Irish Defence Forces following the allegations but had not issued a report from 2014 on. 

“The IRG made for stark reading everyone that has read it has been shocked by it, people are just aghast at what it says but it also needs to be remembered that the majority of the Defence Forces condemn the behaviour and believe strongly in the need to root out those who perpetrated it. 

“It is not reflective of the decent hard working people and we would encourage anyone who has suffered to come forward,” he said. 

Keane said that the key to solving the crisis in defence is to use the Commission report along with the IRG document as a benchmark to begin a major change programme. 

“We have the corner stone that is the Commission on the Defence Forces. We are willing to engage with all key stakeholders and we have built a good relationship with the Department of Defence.

“They need to take that report and use it to begin the change needed, to give a strategy of investment that will enable the organisation to meet the three Rs, recruitment, retention and remuneration. The IRG report gives us a catalogue for change.

“It affords us a chance to look back in on ourselves. If all that is dealt with they can make the Defence Forces an employer of choice but they need to start with the three basic issues and move forward from there,” he added. 

Crisis

The conference is scheduled to hear more than 55 motions on a wide variety of topics on Wednesday and Thursday, with speeches by the Minister for Defence Micheál Martin and Chief of Staff Lt Gen Seán Clancy.

PDFORRA has several motions seeking the fair and equitable introduction of the Working Time Directive and the provision of proper allowances for additional hours worked by their members.

The retention crisis in defence leads the most in the topics covered with motions seeking remedial measures to attempt to retain personnel.

The PDFORRA President said that there is a particular problem with specialists who appear to be leaving in increasing numbers.

There are a significant number of motions from the delegates representing their colleagues in the Naval Service, which has seen ships fail to put to sea due to lack of crews.

“The Minister will be fully briefed and he will listen to what is happening. He needs to take action on two key aspects: the European working time directive around working hours and a need to do something about the post 1994 contracts which will see people forced to retire ahead of time,” he added. 

51700105603_0510a441f9_o A number of motions deal with an extreme staffing crisis in the Irish Naval Service. Irish Defence Forces Irish Defence Forces

In November the The Journal revealed that a measure to increase the fitness of serving members in the 1990s saw contracts introduced forcing members to go prematurely. 

The rule means that Sergeants who have joined on post-1994 contracts must resign when they reach the age of 50.

This problem was an issue at more junior ranks and there was some agreement to solve it but Sergeant ranks are now facing mandatory retirement.

Sergeants or Petty Officers as in the Naval Service, are senior Non-Commissioned Officer rank in the military – their role is to lead teams and implement orders by officers. They are also heavily involved in training new recruits.

The Government introduced an “interim arrangement” to allow Irish Defence Forces sergeants, who would be forced to retire prematurely at the end of the year, to stay on in service – this will run until 2025.

“This needs to be dealt with – saying to people that they are extended until December 2025 is not long enough. Our people are still worried about where that leaves them. 

“They have shown huge loyalty to the State – it is time that the State repays that and at least sorts out the contract problem once and for all. 

“It is not fair that it is left dangling over their heads – they need to know and they need to know now,” he added. 

The Tánasite, Micheál Martin, speaking at the conference said that work was underway to find a solution to the mandatory retirements of non commissioned officers and other ranks. 

He said there was also work being carried out on the Patrol Duty Allowance and he had been in discussions with Pascal Donohoe, the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform.

The Chief of Staff told the conference that the temporary fix on the mandatory retirements was welcomed more work was needed. 

“While the securing of this interim agreement is of course welcomed, the Gen Staff will
continue to advocate for a permanent resolution to this ongoing issue, with a view to
retaining in service our most experienced and skilled personnel and providing them
security and clarity on their terms of employment,” he said. 

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    Mute Dave Hammond
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    May 9th 2023, 8:15 AM

    We have a problem that needs Government involvement .

    Government gets involved.

    Now we have 2 problems.

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    Mute John O Mahony
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    May 9th 2023, 11:32 AM

    The government has no intrect in the defence forces and its hasn’t for a decade at least

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    May 9th 2023, 6:57 AM

    6,500 doing what??

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    Mute Alex O'Sullivan
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    May 9th 2023, 7:05 AM

    @Gerry Dornan: Probably the stupidest question I have heard all week. What do you do all day, Gerry? They are protecting our country against internal and external threats, providing Peacekeeping to make the world safer, providing assistance to the state in times of flood, fire and crisis. There’s a bloody war on in Europe, we need (a better armed and resources) Defence Forces more now than we ever have since the foundation of the state.

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    May 9th 2023, 7:41 AM

    @Alex O’Sullivan: How are they protecting our country.
    They’re understaffed, underpaid and underresourced.
    How many days worth of ammunition do they stockpile?

    The ‘defence forces’ are a very valuable state asset when you consider the work they do. Lets be honest, I can’t see them protecting the country, unless Malta invades.

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    May 9th 2023, 5:19 PM

    @Gerry Dornan: The things no one else can, or will!

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    May 9th 2023, 8:26 AM

    The defence forces needs to be reduced and a nation wide well egulated maintained militia be created in every county….the defence forces will never ever be fit for purpose on its own should ireland ever be invaded…it will always invariable be left to the irish people as a whole to defend ireland….

    Where the defence forces can be full time fully trained and continually trained full time can mobilise right away into trained strategic positions while mobilising the nationwide militia in to fight with the defence forces in defending ireland….weapons should be stored in every county for quick access in such an event…

    Are only best strategy is a defensive strategy incase of invasion….our defence forces will always be inadequate to defend ireland no matter what’s done…that’s why a militia work with the defence forces is the best option as they can be trained part time and be ready….it will be to late recruiting people when the invasion happens and we will be hamstrung out the gate….

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    May 9th 2023, 9:23 AM

    @William Slevin: We used to have exactly that Militia, it was called the FCA. A presence in nearly every major town in the country and approximately 40000 strong until it was disbanded in 2005. The problem with Defence policy in this country is the attitude of Irish citizens to the issue and their dismissive attitude to the role and importance of the Defence Forces and our willingness to take responsibility and adequately fund and resource our own national security. Many military neutal countries of similar size and wealth have maintained well resourced and equipped armed forces to protect their neutrality and not covertly outsourced their sovereign responsibility to neighbouring nations.
    I think its time Irish people took a long hard look at their attitude to national defence and security.

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    May 9th 2023, 10:27 AM

    @William Slevin: Absolute nonsense, go to the States if you want militia. Nonsense from you again!

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    May 9th 2023, 12:49 PM

    @Chutes:”@William Slevin: Absolute nonsense, go to the States if you want militia. Nonsense from you again!”

    No need for me to move to the United States when we should have independent militias ready to aid the defence forces in case of an invasion…

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    May 9th 2023, 5:18 PM

    @William Slevin: What we need in a country this size William is a professionally trained and properly renumerated military, anything else is nonsense William!

    Where did you serve that you know so much about it?

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    May 9th 2023, 12:45 PM

    @robbie masterson:

    The only threat to us is from britain…and after everything they did to us if they came to our defence the very least they can do for us after trying to commit genocide and ethnic cleansing of us….don’t you think?

    We’re under no threat especially as a neutral country…

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    May 9th 2023, 6:11 PM

    @William Slevin: Under no threat is a simplistic and naive view of our current situation in a changed world. No credible air defense of any kind from radar to aviation assets to surface to air capability. A Naval service without a subsea surveillance equipment. An Army devastated by ridiculous reorganisation in 2012 and all three services hemorrhaging personnel at an unsustainable rate due to Government neglect and indifference. No to mention Cyber and Hybrid warfare against state assets, remember the HSE cyber attack. Regards Britain being a threat I seriously doubt it in my opinion. Again as a nation we need to fundamentally look at our attitude to our own national security and safety

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    May 9th 2023, 8:24 PM

    @Robbie Masterson: we are in one of the most safest positions on earth were ireland is…for now britain is not a threat to us and hopefully that will stay the same…

    We’re I do agree with you is building up against cyber threats that’s where we’re we are most vulnerable…that’s realisticly the only way we can be reached….

    Russia is no threat to us…they are too far…they can’t even take Ukraine when the us/nato is involved…this is all fear mongering…I’m not saying you but the media attention is…their is no nation on earth that can get us except for a nato nation…Russia and ireland had always good relations even during the soviet union ere until our ejits in government start shooting off at the mouth especially Martin dear God the man is a liability he will make ireland an enemy of Russia…

    We should be focusing on were defence is needed and as your rightly pointed out our cyber defence is quite crap…I’d be happy for that to be heavily invested in…

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    May 9th 2023, 8:30 PM

    @chutes: I served nowhere….where did you serve? Oh wait it doesn’t matter…..Ireland is in one of the safest positions on earth our only threats of invasions would be from a nato country and that’s not gonna happen is it….so get a grip will ya…

    We’re best served as a neutral country to hold diplomatic talks between country’s in conflict….serve in diplomacy allowing room to talk who ever it is….not every country has to be ready to pick sides and get in the fight when theirs no legitimate reason to do so…

    We are better served by a part time nation wide independent militias that back up a small dedicated defence forces…its what makes most sense…and cost effective

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