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New €5,000 allowance for TDs and Senators to beef up personal security

The allowance was approved by Cabinet this morning.

THE GOVERNMENT HAVE approved a new once-off allowance for politicians to reimburse their security costs, with TDs and Senators able to claim up to €5,000.

Cabinet this morning agreed to introduce a Security Requirements Allowance for TDs and Senators after consultations with the Attorney General.

The allowance will allow politicians to claim back up to 50% of their personal security costs, to the maximum value of €5,000. The allowance would be a once-off, vouched expense.

The allowance will cover TDs and Senators improving the security of their staff, homes and offices, but requires a security review to be carried out by a member of An Garda Síochána.

Gardaí have provided some suggestions as to what politicians can have installed, including CCTV cameras, panic buttons and intruder alarms.

Work carried out to install any security measures must be carried out by registered installers and it must meet industry standards.

The proposal will require amendments to existing legislation, with Minister Paschal Donohoe aiming to have the amendments passed as soon as possible.

It comes after politicians were urged to consider a personal alarm as well as not hold constituency clinics alone as part of fresh security advice from the Oireachtas.

All TDs and Senators received the advice in January, just a week after a bag of excrement was thrown at Fianna Fáil Minister of State Anne Rabbitte and Fine Gael TD Ciarán Cannon while attending a public meeting in Galway.

It also follows a meeting between female TDs and Ceann Comhairle Seán Ó Feargháil to address safety concerns. Justice Minister Simon Harris said that issues raised at the meeting would be taken “extremely seriously”.

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    Mute Robert Rusk
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:07 PM

    Government’s attitude to data protection is like me doing my NCT: Lash it in there, see what fails, fix it up, repeat.

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    Mute D H
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:28 PM

    Robert thats the best comparison yet

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    Mute Paul Maguire
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:00 PM

    What is it with this Gov so hell-bent in getting peoples pps numbers, first it was the water now its education. Its like something out of George Orwell 1984 or was that 2015

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    Mute winding_down
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:27 PM

    Data Analytics (analysis of big data made possible by the Cloud) will allow the government to take better and more accurate policy decisions, with fewer errors. Ireland is pushing itself internationally as a centre of excellence in this with the goal of making it an important sector of the economy.

    Unfortunately the approach of the Irish civil service to this is a bit like 3 Blind Mice.

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    Mute Jason
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:46 PM

    The government already have the PPS no of every citizen – they issue them to us.

    People constantly give out about public sector waste and not being able to join the dots. This proposal us an attempt to help the various government depts join the dots and save on waste and duplication of work.

    The following depts and agencies already hold PPS no’s: health, education, social protection, agriculture (in certain cases), HSE, revenue and others.

    There does need to be very robust laws about who can access information, who needs and for what reason. The law needs to be very stringent on those who try to access information illegitimately and it needs to protect citizens, but if depts and agencies ‘talking’ to each other leads to a better service and to huge cost savings, then this is a good thing.

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    Mute Shane O Malley
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:02 PM

    she wont be around much longer,,thank god

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    Mute Moonshine
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:19 PM

    That won’t matter, the permanent government will implement it.

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    Mute Paddy Hannigan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:57 PM

    Its not that the government don’t have access to the pps numbers its that when they were introduced guarantees were given as to which departments could access them.In fact laws were drafted to make sure they could only be used for certain purposes by specific departments.This was done to stop exactly what the government is trying to do now.It was done to curtail the use of the numbers for the long term tracking of individuals through out their lives aswel as stopping the transfer of that information to private intrests.

    If we start handing out the information ‘willingly’ the government can use it as a precedent for doing exactly what the original legisation was drafted to stop happening.

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:06 PM

    The “government” seem to be on a relentless mission to get the people of this country to voluntary hand over their private details.

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    Mute Reg
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:11 PM

    They already have them….revenue, department of education, welfare, health, driving licence, vehicle registration etc etc. Time for some joined up thinking?

    Changed address a while back, lost count of the number of different agencies I needed to notify. Wouldn’t it be great if you could just notify one?

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:15 PM

    Reg, if the HSE is sold, will this “database” be transferrable?

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    Mute RonanM
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:19 PM

    Any what sort of fool would buy the HSE!!

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:23 PM

    The H.S.E infrastructure is only rivalled in expense in terms of tax payers costs in installation by our water network –
    the elite love infrastructure – guaranteed income stream – same theory as Landlorism in the 18th Century – own the infrastructure enslave the population !
    Thankfully they picked a cretin like Enda Kenny to deliver the coup de grace -Worst investment by the Elite of Europe since the British thought WW1 would solve their “Irish Problem “…..

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    Mute Mr Phil Officer
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:41 PM

    …also what if some people don’t want their data to be stored for 30years, will their right to privacy be respected.

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    Mute Uncle Mort
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:16 PM

    Common Purpose is a political charity using Behavioural Modification
    Common Purpose (CP) is a Charity, based in Great Britain, which creates ‘Future Leaders’ of society. CP selects individuals and ‘trains’ them to learn how society works, who ‘pulls the levers of power’ and how CP ‘graduates’ can use this knowledge to lead ‘Outside Authority’.
    Children, teenagers and adults have their prejudices removed. Graduates are ‘empowered’ to become ‘Leaders’ and work in ‘partnership’ with other CP graduates. CP claims to have trained some 30,000 adult graduates in UK and changed the lives of some 80,000 people, including schoolchildren and young people.
    But evidence shows that Common Purpose is rather more than a Charity ‘empowering’ people and communities’. In fact, CP is an elitest pro-EU political organisation helping to replace democracy in UK, and worldwide, with CP chosen ‘elite’ leaders. In truth, their hidden networks and political objectives are undermining and destroying our democratic society and are threatening ‘free will’ in adults, teenagers and children. Their work is funded by public money and big business, including international banks.
    They have 2 offices here. Cameron and Merkel are members, we need to know which of our ‘elected leaders’ are too.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:56 PM

    Uncle – all you need to do is follow the language –
    Simon Coveney during some crisis lately was harping on about “Managing the Risk “” ..it was a phrase he repeated several times …. not saying he is but it is the same language that German used -
    saw some crisis as ” a project management issue ” or some such rubbish.
    Management 101 …..
    Excellent post – important to highlight this !
    I call it “controlling the narrative as cover for wealth grab ” ..Nama being a perfect example of this theory of mine – chugging away while Enda and co. supply entertainment and scandal for the masses while conveniently preventing the truth from coming out !
    Look to Union Leaders and Senior Civil Servants as well for membership of this nest !
    Fergus O’Dowd is most certainly not a member !

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    Mute Uncle Mort
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:30 PM

    Indeed and as we are seeing the freedom of the Press under threat yet again this item is important and yet ignored.
    “Press row: PM faces questions over link to charity
    David Cameron officially declares that he is patron of an initiative run by Common Purpose, a charity linked to the campaign for tougher regulation of the Press ”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423070/Press-row-PM-faces-questions-over-link-to-charity.html

    We need some fearless journalists to get to the bottom of the Common Purpose influence on OUR government.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 6:10 PM

    Mr. Cameron failed to declare it – Has he got the “Charlie Disease ” ?

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    Mute Layne Staley
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:10 PM

    “The reason for keeping the data for 30 years I presume is because we want to ensure that we have the necessary information in terms of planning etcetera, but look, that is an area I would be happy to examine.”

    ‘I presume’ – It scares me this incompetent bungling fool is more or less supposing what the role of this exercise in data retention is. She was a complete failure as a minister for housing and I suspect this will continue to be the case. I wonder which job the non-democratic EU have in mind for her.

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    Mute Gus Sheridan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:00 PM

    Germany 1933………………….

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    Mute rory conway
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:15 PM

    Over invasive. The public have spoken on this in the unrelated issue of IW.

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    Mute Jason
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:50 PM

    Really? Who is bring dragged from their beds and sent to internment camps? Who is burning books. Attacking citizens in the dead of night in organised and sanctioned attacks? Ffs, get some perspective.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:57 PM

    Enda ‘s Night of the Long Knives – or Seanad Abolition as he called blew up in his face !

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    Mute Jason
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:02 PM

    By constitutional means. He accepted the decision and moved on; he didn’t burn it down and have the senators shot.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:21 PM

    He would never have bothered except the polls suggested a 60% support for it ….. I wonder what happened there – the behavioural modification crew can’t fool Paddy as easily as those in Europe who are quite happy to be subjects instead of individuals …..
    And besides Jason what choice had he …Germany/Nazis didn’t have the added threat of an I.R.A. in the thirties …..
    I can now reveal that the Time for Enda to go the Country was during the Seanad Referendum – he would have closed the Seanad and got re-elected no probs …Too late now though and when you miss your spot – you miss your spot ..Ireland is going to be grand folks – enough of us awake now to re-educate our parents and friends and colleagues

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    Mute Sheik Yahbouti
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:24 PM

    Why don’t you get some perspective Jason? None of the measures you mention are necessary if the same objective can be achieved by stealth. Some people regard the proposed measures as over invasive and will no cogent argument for it. They are entitled to hold that view.

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    Mute Dermot Ryan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:20 PM

    Reads as …
    ” I haven’t a clue what I am at and let those behind the scenes carry-on until ye spot it and then I’ll tell ye I’ll look into it even though I hadn’t in the first place and still don’t have a clue !”

    I’m not paying for this shi-ite any more !

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    Mute Jason Bourne
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:42 PM

    It needs to be clarified, who came up with the age of 30? A politician didnt. They wouldnt. So who did this? Then go after the ‘why’. I’ll bet you would start to see an agenda that has nothing to do with education whatsoever.

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    Mute shane
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    Jan 8th 2015, 5:13 PM

    a online database of everybody under 30 including The child’s name, address, date of birth, nationality and mother’s maiden name wow that’s some hackers wet dream

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    Mute claire finnegan
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    Jan 8th 2015, 5:06 PM

    This is just plain insanity! I read an article the other day that they also want access to people’s bank accounts when claiming social welfare. Now, I’m all for preventing welfare fraud but this is an absolute over-reach of the governments powers. A national database of pps numbers? We already do a census, have birth and death records etc surely they must know the population and the needs of the population. No need to be handing over pps numbers too. As we recently saw with irish water and their database leaks- the government simply cannot be trusted with this information. What’s to stop them from establishing new semi-states and handing over pps numbers etc to them? Or what happens when a department is privatised.
    If there was a logical reason for it and the information would be protected – why not! But our government can only offer a “presumed” reason and no real guarantee of protection.

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    Mute Joe Simpson
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:09 PM

    Wouldn’t it be great to be able to track the progression of primary school students to target supports. No good targeting secondary schools if the damage has already been done.

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    Mute Stephen Harney
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:26 PM

    Yes, but hopefully the individual has progressed to adult life before they are in their mid thirties. Note the INTO and parent groups were part of the consultative group, no problem with that though advocacy groups for older groups are not involved. When is an individual classed as an adult after all education is compulsory to 16 and the vote comes at 18 with a proposal to lower this to 16-17 and the DoES want to retain data for 30 years!

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    Mute YippyDee
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    Jan 8th 2015, 2:36 PM

    This government is hell bent on extracting the private information of our children. It’s relentless.
    What business have they got keeping such information on file for thirty years? Resources would be better spent
    keeping records on pedophile priests and corrupt bankers for 30 years instead of following the instructions of our European masters.

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    Mute Jason
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:54 PM

    If you claim children’s allowance they already have all your kids info – dept social protection. If they go to college and get a grant they’ll have this info – SUSA and college authorities. And when they start work – revenue. The government already have all this, this proposal is to make the transition from one to the other seamless. It will help, for example, the recent SUSA mess ups. As long as the law is robust enough, this is actually a very good idea.

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    Mute Harold
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    Jan 9th 2015, 1:13 AM

    I studied at night until I was 29 doing various post grad courses whilst I worked. A lot do, so the 30 age limit doesn’t seem unreasonable

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jan 8th 2015, 6:10 PM

    School children are only children until they are 18 and not 30, so why wait until they are 30?

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    Mute Thierry Ratt
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    Jan 8th 2015, 6:45 PM

    Govt also says now they should vote at 16

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jan 9th 2015, 1:06 PM

    16 is not a mature age as many 16 year olds now are eejits, teenage pregnancies, drinking too much and doing too many drugs and they think 16 is mature. 16 year olds are easily led by others because they are out to make friends and to get noticed by others. Not to make mature decisions…

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    Mute Jeffrey McMahon
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    Jan 10th 2015, 9:19 PM

    Kinda sounds like the politicians really

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    Mute Michael Sands
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    Jan 11th 2015, 12:25 AM

    Especially after drinking in the Dail bar and then voting… lol.

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    Mute Chris
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:23 PM

    She won’t be concerned about it after the next election

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    Mute Thierry Ratt
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:51 PM

    Fascism alive and well without the uniforms

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    Mute John Wheelwright
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    Jan 8th 2015, 5:13 PM

    There is way too many simpletons with jobs these days and that’s why all those people on the dole can’t fill any positions. Show this woman the door please!!!

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    Mute Marko Burns
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    Jan 8th 2015, 4:00 PM

    Creche’s mainly have paperwork (tons of it) – not digital data.

    Fine if the Govt wants to take away all the paperwork and store it themselves – or let them digitize it themselves but it seems absurd for creche’s to have to keep all this data stored.

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    Mute Paul Roche
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    Jan 9th 2015, 7:00 AM

    Can I just say…
    That I’m wondering if Ruairi Quinn was responsible for this?

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    Mute Ron North
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    Jan 8th 2015, 10:28 PM

    This is going on your permanent record. :-O

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    Mute Paul Dunne
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    Jan 8th 2015, 3:24 PM

    if your not up to no good it dosent matter how long they keep it.

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    Mute Al Ca
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    Jan 8th 2015, 6:04 PM

    @ Paul
    I’m sure the people of East Germany ‘back in the day’ didn’t want to be ‘up to no good’ like looking for freedom and other silly stuff as the Stasi noted down everything about them, as long as you were a good servant of the state keeping your head down…you had nothing to worry about.

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    Mute Proinsias Ó Foghlú
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    Jan 8th 2015, 8:33 PM

    I don’t have any issue with the state holding this info forever if they want it may be invaluable in the future like church records.

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    Mute Jeffrey McMahon
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    Jan 10th 2015, 9:13 PM

    Shared with other government departments, so that would be department of environment from which it is a short jump to Irish Water and lo and behold we have an entire generation of Irish signed up as future customers fully traceable by the PPS numbers that they couldn’t get off of the adults.

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