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Armed Irish Air Corps PC-9s. Irish Defence Forces

Ireland's air policing security failure and how the British system keeps their skies safe

There are 1.2 million flights passing over our heads on an annual basis which is 80% of all transatlantic traffic.

SPEAK TO IRISH national security sources for any length of time and the subject of a gaping hole in Ireland’s air defences will start to fill the grumbling discontent of the conversation. 

Not alone is the Irish Air Corps without an aircraft to respond to almost all incoming suspicious and threatening aircraft, but the State is also completely blind to know what is out there because of a complete lack of primary military radar.

Commercial aircraft use transponders which transmit their altitude, identity and other information to Air Traffic Control but without that signal from the individual aircraft there to track what is flying in Irish controlled airspace.

That gap, those sources have said for many years now, is filled by the Royal Air Force (RAF) and other countries which Ireland depends on to respond to flights.

Ireland’s airspace is vast – it is roughly six times the size of Ireland’s sovereign land mass, according to a briefing document on the subject.

There are 1.2 million flights passing over our heads on an annual basis which is 80% of all transatlantic traffic.  

Russians bombers have flown down the west coast disrupting civilian traffic – the most recent was in March 2020 when they were monitored by the RAF twice in a week. Malfunctioning aircraft as well as pilots who forgot to turn on a transponder have all caused a response but it wasn’t the Irish military responding.

Caused a ripple

That issue has caused a ripple through the political ranks this week. Opposition TDs have demanded an answer from Tánasite Micheál Martin and Taoiseach Leo Varadkar. Those calls were not asking why Ireland does not have an air defence capability but why it has a supposed secret deal with the RAF to police Irish skies.

This week Martin, who is Minister for Defence and Foreign Affairs, denied that Ireland relies on the agreement with the British and claimed reporting was inaccurate. He refused to explain further citing a policy to not comment on national security issues. 

Varadkar, said in the Dáil that Ireland does depend on international partners to assist in national security measures. 

Senator Gerard Craughwell has issued proceedings in the High Court to determine if the deal exists. That is yet to come to hearing.

Whether Ireland has a secret deal or not can only be determined by the search of a locked safe in a Government department, but here at The Journal we wanted to take a look at how the system works. 

It is not unusual for a suspicious aircraft to enter Irish airspace – sources within the civil aviation governance sector and in the military have said usually it is an aircraft with a malfunctioning or accidentally turned off transponder. 

An Air Traffic Control source said a radio call usually solves the problem and need for fighter aircraft to respond is stood down. However when there is no communication fighters are sent up to check on the crew. 

The other type is a military aircraft, usually Russian Bear bombers, come out of their bases in Russia and make a run down the Western seaboard of Europe. On a few occasions those aircraft have skirted close to Irish airspace. 

As one security source described the Russian strategy: “It is diplomacy through other means – it is a strategic message and that is similar to how the Russians used their naval vessels to intimidate Ireland and the EU shortly before war broke out in Ukraine by conducting naval exercises off the Irish coast.” 

In the wake of the 9/11 attacks the security needs around air travel changed dramatically – the threat to Britain from rogue hi-jacked civilian jet liners was a major concern. 

It saw nations such as the UK and the RAF bolster their air defences to deal with the new threat – Ireland stood still and spent nothing to ensure its air defences and instead, according to sources, doubled down on a deal it had with the British Government. 

raf-typhoon-eurofighter-low-level-in-mid-wales RAF Typhoon Eurofighter low level in Wales. Alamy Stock Photo Alamy Stock Photo

The Royal Air Force

The RAF, as recently as 2 May, responded to an alert off the coast of Scotland as Russian aircraft appeared. 

While there was no immediate risk of armed engagement the British pilots scrambled Typhoon fighter jets from a base in Scotland and backed them up with early warning radar aircraft and a tanker to keep them flying. 

A spokesperson for the RAF outlined how their system works.

“The primary role of the Royal Air Force is to defend the UK and when necessary, UK interests overseas.

“Quick Reaction Alert QRA is a routine part of the RAF’s air defence role to protect UK airspace.

“The RAF’s (QRA) aircraft are held at immediate readiness to protect the United Kingdom and can take off within minutes. QRA are launched to intercept unidentified aircraft because the aircraft cannot be identified by any other means. i.e. the aircraft is not talking to civilian or military Air Traffic Control, has not filed a flight plan and / or is not transmitting a recognisable secondary surveillance radar code.

“The paramount duty of the RAF is to control the air over the UK and, when necessary, UK interests overseas,” the spokesperson said. 

It is a complex system but the RAF spokesperson is keen to stress that it was developed during World War Two and the Battle of Britain. 

“In the UK, under the direction of our Air Battlespace Controllers at RAF Boulmer in Northumberland our fighters can be scrambled to intercept, identify and, if required, intervene aircraft approaching our shores,” he said.

Sources have said the word “intervene” is a euphemism for forcing the aircraft to leave airspace, land or in the worst case shoot it down if it poses an immediate threat to people on the ground and other aircraft. 

Those security sources have said that the initial sighting of military aircraft is normally informed to Irish authorities by British Air Traffic Control contacting their opposite number in the Irish Aviation Authority.

Minister for Defence and Foreign Affairs Micheál Martin, responding to a question from The Journal this week, denied there was a mechanism whereby he is informed of an incident. 

The concern among security sources is around how a shootdown order would be communicated to the RAF pilot. A number of senior military sources said this would likely be a decision left to London given that the pilot is British. 

The RAF spokesperson said that this response service is on duty twenty four hours a day and through the week.

The air force maintain this in the UK and in the Falklands, which is also known as the Malvinas in Argentina.  

The system uses the multi-role Typhoon squadrons based at RAF Coningsby on the west coast of England and at RAF Lossiemouth in northern Scotland. They are then supported by Voyager Air-to-Air refuelling aircraft from RAF Brize Norton near London. 

The RAF do not just provide cover for their own territories but also in Cyprus, reaching across the Middle East in Operation Shader and in Estonia as part of NATO’s Baltic Air Policing mission.

Since 2019 the RAF has conducted a NATO Air policing deployment to Lithuania in 2020 and then in 2021 and last year to Romania.

The Irish Air Corps

Kevin Phipps is a retired Irish Air Corps captain and pilot – he said that Ireland does have a limited capability to respond to slow moving aircraft. 

The PC9 training aircraft is often seen over State events doing ceremonial fly pasts but it has also a capability to be armed. On one occasion, during the visit of Queen Elizabeth II, it intercepted a wayward aircraft. 

“Regarding the capabilities of the Irish Air Corps in comparison based on my experience having spend my last 5 years in service as a flying instructor on the PC9 and as a qualified Pilot in Air Intercept tactics.

“The Air Corps are capable of conducting pre planned Air Patrol operations which are effective at intercepting slow moving aircraft such as a Cessna or a helicopter travelling at slow speed and at low altitude. This was seen during the visit of Queen Elizabeth to Ireland in 2011.

“The Air Corps utilise the Pilatus Pc9 which is primarily a propellor driven training aircraft but has been fitted with Heavy machine guns and advanced heads up display to enable it to intercept and potentially shoot down a target in the air,” he said. 

Phipps said that the PC 9 is not comparable to the RAF Typhoon which is a supersonic full spectrum 4th generation war fighting aircraft.

51700654880_01ddc18cea_o An Irish Air Corps PC-9 armed with machine guns and rocket pods. Irish Defence Forces Irish Defence Forces

The former Air Corps pilot said a key issue for Irish Air Defence is the lack of a so-called “recognised air picture”. This is information gathered across a primary radar system and satellite that builds up a detailed read out of every aircraft in the airspace – including those without transponders.

This was a key recommendation in the Commission on the Defence Forces report which looked at Ireland’s below standard defence apparatus. 

“We have no visibility bar what we gather from the civilian surveillance radar system primarily based around aircraft transponders and satellite surveillance systems,” he said. 

Phipps said that even if Ireland gets that radar system there will still be a need to ask “partner nations” to respond because the Irish military do not have the aircraft to carry out the role.

“In my opinion it’s clearly a Government policy decision not to invest in an air policing capability which is not a war fighting capability but rather enhances air safety given the volume of overflight traffic that is controlled in Irish Airspace.

“This would be the norm in other Neutral European countries like Austria and Switzerland,” he said. 

‘Not a light switch capability’

Phipps said 2021 costings he has seen for such a fleet of aircraft, a squadron of between eight to ten fighter jets with the primary radar system, would be in the region of US$360 million, (€329.5m) with an annual running cost of US$20m (€18m).

“This capability investment is all consistent with the report of the commission on the defence forces.

“This is also not a light switch capability and will require many years to reach full operating capability. In the interim we will still need to cooperate with another partner to respond to any detected threat,” he added. 

Sources have mooted that Irish Air Corps top brash would consider the most likely aircraft model for Ireland to be the Swedish Saab Grippen aircraft. They would cost an estimated €58m each but that comes with a manufacturer maintenance programme.

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In briefing documents seen by The Journal, the cheapest running cost would be for eight aircraft at €18m while a full air policing system would be €166m annually. 

Ireland has had jet fighter capability in the past with the Fouga Magister CM-170 and before that the De Havilland Vampires but then Irish defence focus shifted to a training only air role and the most recent fighter style aircraft were the PC-9 propeller aircraft.

Those briefing documents outline a suggestion that any air policing role is an Aid to the Civil Power scenario, meaning the military budget could be supported by an allocation in the Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport.

The document also outlines that, as air policing benefits the airlines overflying Ireland, that the aviation regulator here could put a levy on those carriers to fund it.   

Military sources have said they are growing in frustration with the Department of Defence’s explanation that the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform is causing delays in progressing the Action Plan, which was developed to bring about the required resourcing for a primary radar system.

Regardless of those internal squabbles, the idea of equipping the Irish Air Corps with the fighter jets to do the air policing job has been put on the long finger. 

The Commission on the Defence Forces was structured around levels of ambition – the air policing role was pushed back to the most ambitious level, particularly because of the need for a radar system first. That was despite much discussions by members who wanted to move it forward. 

Regardless of those machinations and the gnashing of teeth over the supposed deal with the British, all that will become redundant fallacy if Ireland’s military security apparatus is found wanting when a critical incident arises.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:11 PM

    How much is planned on being paid to the owners of the hotels that are putting up immigrants and giving them meals. Meanwhile 10,000 Irish people are homeless while we bring in people from the other side of the world for no good reason.

    When Irish immigrated to USA and Australia and the likes they weren’t given a thing from any government, which is fair. You worked and contributed to society to survive. No such thing as being put up in a 4 or 5 star hotel in New York or Boston being paid for by US citizens tax money. Because that would be ridiculous. How is the very same thing happening in Dublin and Galway etc. as we speak?

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:18 PM

    @Theo Von: Immigrants to Ireland also work and contribute to society (provided that they are allowed to do so). They are no different.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:24 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: Do you think the cops would let you through the gate in JFK if you had no passport or documentation Bren?

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:30 PM

    @David Corrigan: That’s not relevant to my point. Some of us Irish tend to have a highly entitled attitude to migration: emigration is fine; it’s immigration we don’t like. We need to accept that emigration is immigration.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:37 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: My point is both scenarios are different. Comparing the Irish system to the Australian, Canadian or US systems is like chalk and cheese.
    There are A LOT of Americans who don’t like Irish for example coming to their country and “taking their jobs”. I got that thrown in my face a few times over there. It’s the same here. You will get a small percentage of people here who don’t like immigration and there is no getting away from that.
    You will find a very high percentage of people here though who will tell you it’s too easy for folk to move here without proper background checks or documentation etc.
    In summary, people here don’t mind migration. They do worry though about the lack of checks. Massive difference.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:18 PM

    @Theo Von: assisting those from fleeing from war is rather different to other immigrants, most of which are lucky to get a camp bed with no bed. Thankfully world is a different place than what it was 100+ years ago

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    @Roj Blake: no privacy

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    Jul 26th 2023, 7:41 PM

    @David Corrigan: “Do you think the cops would let you through the gate in JFK if you had no passport or documentation Bren”. You’re correct, they wouldn’t. But that’s not a good thing in my book. The original poster is talking about international protection applicants, and by christ we treat them badly, but nowhere near as badly as they’re treated in the US or Australia. Economic migrants come here to work, and that’s what they do – work, pay taxes and live.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:07 PM

    Giveaway budget haha don’t make me laugh

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:30 PM

    @john mac: Repayment Budget this should potentially read. Giveaway, if it actually will be, is definitely inappropriate given we are owed a fortune in terms of the huge financial support we generously gave to our banks without hesitation all those years ago. And with the continuous dipping into our pockets since, we are certainly due a significant change in government tax take.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:07 PM

    @Fintan Stack: give with one hand take away with the other. Same bs different budget

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    Jul 26th 2023, 2:01 PM

    @john mac: giveaway……. shur it’s only your own money you’d be getting back from all the various taxes.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:57 PM

    @Jp Cleary:,I’m disabled and have no family,I’ve not been able to work in 3 years,I’ve worked since I was 11,I’ve a cheap car,my neighbour is a single mother with 1 child,she’s working,social &FIS,and her rent is a euro more than mine,she have the creche free,and then her mother takes over,She was telling me €680 a week.coz she’s getting more hours,but a family with both working are robbed,when we got the money last year,I was so great full especially for the oil,but I’d to pay almost 70 vat on it,when u said about they taking it back,your so right,the likes of me,all of my money goes back into the economy,from food,petrol,bins,esb,
    person I no,is coming home from the US,I told him fly to Dublin and say u have nothing,coz he hasn’t,he will get looked after,seems to be the only way now

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:48 PM

    On the good news front…
    RTE is offering 3 great prizes when paying your TV licence:
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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:53 PM

    Get rid of the USC you’ve robbed us for long enough.and can we have a new government please.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:19 PM

    @reg morrisey: a new Govt of Shinners and hard left nut jobs? No thanks as I prefer a Govt that encourages people to work

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:51 PM

    @Roj Blake: Encourages people to work? They can’t hire guards, doctors or nurses due to the poor conditions of the functions they manage. If they can’t encourage people to work for their own departments then that kind of blows your theory out of the water. Again.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 5:31 PM

    @Roj Blake: encourages people to work?? You’re having a laugh

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    Jul 26th 2023, 5:46 PM

    @Roj Blake: encourages people to work??? I work over 80 hours a week just to make ends meet because I’m taxed into nonexistence!! I’d seriously be better off on the dole!!!! The squeezed middle need serious support and tax realignment across the board! In Ireland the current model is the more you work & contribute the more you’re taxed! This cannot continue!

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:27 PM

    Giveaway to one hand, and take it back in other ways from the other hand

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    Jul 27th 2023, 12:35 PM

    @Shaun Gallagher: Yup, the 3 cup and ball trick. Cant loose. Great reason to not do any work for them

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:14 PM

    One rents out a room or rooms, they are exempt from tax.
    A landlord rents out a house, but takes in less than the ‘rent-a-room’ above – they still pay tax. Unfair.
    I know the landlord’s house is an investment – guess what: When the house is sold the government will get a fair bite from the CGT. In essense, the landlord is penalised via tax for being a landlord during the rental period, but the rent-a-room owner is not.
    Can we fix this?

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:22 PM

    @Keth Tgi:
    Also: If said LL makes an end of tax year lumpsum payment instead of paying tax throughout the year, they are penalised/fined by 500 Euro also. In fairness, this was frozen during the pandemic for a year or two, but it’s back now.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:20 PM

    Time to really go after the gougers, seriously hit their obscene profits with punitive taxes instead of assuring them that no matter what they charge the state will just pump cash to them via cost of living and energy subsidies.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:24 PM

    @Mike Finnegan: I had to edit that as the sensitive folks at the Journal thought the word “profiteering” would be perceived as toxic….

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:58 PM

    You’ll get a few hundred over the course of a year while revenue will take a broadcasting charge and those with a mortgage will see nothing with higher rates coming in. Not to mention ever rising carbon taxes. So in part, the average person will still be worse off.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:24 PM

    The last time they were talking about looking after the workers I got an extra fiver a week in my wages. About 3 weeks later they were taxing me an extra fiver. Did this happen to Anyone else???

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:35 PM

    @michael odwyer: no as taxes on work went down in last budget

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:53 PM

    @Roj Blake: Taxes on energy went up i.e. VAT. Give you a fiver and take back a tenner indirectly.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:56 PM

    Why are they not going after the electric companies to bring down prices, surely it’s only fair to stop the rip off, if price of electricity came down there would be no need for pay outs, or maybe the government are getting a big slice of the profit so it’s cheaper to give out these payments

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:39 PM

    The people need to band together and remove these thugs from power.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:34 PM

    @Dylan Bvrn: thankfully the IRA thugs aren’t in power here

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    Jul 26th 2023, 4:13 PM

    @Roj Blake: Censorship is in full swing on the journal , sister site of RTE news , comments closed on Nationalist Party story ???

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:04 PM

    Ooh First… .Please Sir, Can I have some more?…..

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:56 PM

    Varadkar pledged to bring the inheritance tax threshold allowance for children back to pre-Celtic Celtic levels during this governments term he did nothing. Children caught in this situation have had to leave the family home on the death of parents being unable to pay inheritance tax. We will all be caught in this trap sooner or later. What a sick. .hole of a country.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:23 PM

    Great to see supports for businesses who really need a helping hand during times of record profits. Sme’s ofc wont benefit just the big boys again.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:44 PM

    The elites throwing bread crumbs to the sheeple via Clone (Our body double) Varadkar.
    The original varadker was a man of the people so the elite took him out in 2011. look at any old pics and compare with today and honestly tell me its the same person

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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:10 PM

    What about the “temporary u.s.c” promised to be abolished years ago…..

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:23 PM

    Does no one else see the absurdity of how the inflation system works……in all countries btw. The focus on a ‘cost of living’ package is the ultimate irony.

    The the government is your only source of inflation. Not let me clarify, I’m not talking about prices going up and down (those are on the scarcity side), I’m talking money supply which is on the monetary side of the equation.

    Inflation should always be broken down as price (scarcity) related or monetary, ie the number of units chasing those goods. The only way to have a general rise in the price of all goods and services is by first increasing the money supply. As we have seen since the 70′s.

    Governments (and by extension what they allow bankers to do) are the ones who ultimately decide how much debt to build up, publically and privately. Obviously central banks policy determines the speed and extent of inflation, but for me, the gov sets the rules, and is the one doing the big spending.

    So, they control the value of money,via their ability to spend more than they earn (tax), indefinitely, or contract (snowballs chance). Without constant expansion the system collapses anyway – imagine a world without new credit / lending, instant collapse, and how you gonna pay the interest on trillions of debt then.

    So they got us into this mess, and we are stuck with it (inflation) until a whole new system / reset, currency collapse, go digital etc. Those fellas stashing the gold might not be so stupid, but any hard asset will survive better than fiat.

    So when I see them helping the poor inflation ravaged citizens, by promoting another inflationary policy (cost of living, energy subsidies) I shake my head at the brazen irony.
    They need to stop spending our money at these unsustainable levels. Every EUR above the tax take is inflationary down the line. There are no limits on government debt, so they can continue the expansionary suicide for a while longer…covid was huge, war is now huge, but the biggest expense (debt) of all is only just starting…..saving the climate.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:56 PM

    Tax cuts are not much help to anyone whose income is below the tax bracket!!!

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:13 PM

    Lowering tax rates in an inflationary, overheating economy is economic insanity.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 12:16 PM

    @Name not provided: That’s the sacrifice they will make to try and keep SF out of government.
    FFG come first. The country comes 18th or 19th place on their list of priorities.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:33 PM

    @David Corrigan: SF Govt will destroy investment and jobs

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:52 PM

    @Roj Blake: I don’t think so. Intel and other such organisations don’t care about FFG in power. They are not going to care about SF in power.

    The multinationals are here for the cheap labour and tax breaks. They are not here for Leo and Michael.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:48 PM

    funny how they say tax cuts were given since 2014… most people who worked 2014 didn’t earn 40k or more at the time so they can only now profit from these increases

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    Mute Tom Newell
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    Jul 26th 2023, 3:56 PM

    Theres no such thing as giveaway with this lot, its give on one hand and take it back twice with the other

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    Mute Brian molloy
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    Jul 26th 2023, 4:58 PM

    Don’t forget to give the dole merchants and other long term wasters on welfare a nice hefty increase so they can still live off taxpayers, and before any lefties start mouthing,I’m talking about the crowd that don’t want to work

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    Jul 26th 2023, 1:56 PM

    Painful leader!

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    Jul 26th 2023, 4:19 PM

    Forecast 2030….We will soon be like India, 80 thousand sitting on the Cork Dublin train including the roof. No charging points in the motorway, it’s a safety issue. All cars banned in towns and cities due to multiple battery fires. Taxes on electric cars double in the budget. Firemen refuse to fight forest fires because their fire engines are electric and its hard to recharge in a forest. Electric cars banned from ferries due to a safety issue. Gardai refuse to attend 999 calls due to the sluggish electric scooter problem, unable to catch up with geriatric offenders using walking frames. Rape and sexual assault removed from the statute book. Watching porn a prerequisite to getting a marriage licence. Parents pay the government child allowance. Ryanair wins 50 seats in the local elections. President Mick O’leary congratulates his namesake Mick Wallace for becoming Tanaiste for the second year running. Formula E struggles to finish in Westmoreland Street for the second year running, weather was too cloudy. A wolf stops the Cork Dublin train namely the Eamonn Ryan express or as the leesiders call it Von Ryan’s Express.

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    Mute Paddy C
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    Jul 26th 2023, 6:01 PM

    Toss the peasants some scraps is that it?this country has fast become a country where you need a good income and a fair bit of savings in the bank to stay afloat which there is a lot of people who seem to have or either have borrowed up to they’re eyeballs or people literally going week to week with it getting harder as time goes on despite the nonsense of hear that people’s wages are rising,mine hasn’t and almost everyone I’ve talked to hasn’t either

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    Mute UCD Trinity
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    Jul 26th 2023, 7:36 PM

    OH NO
    Leo is turning into Michael Martin
    Look at his hand movements in the photo…………..
    WE ARE ALL DOOMED…………….

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    Mute Wayne Shoes
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    Jul 26th 2023, 5:34 PM

    Ah come on .just cut there jobseekers .You have to stick to what you know Leo.

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    Jul 26th 2023, 8:30 PM

    I earn just over 40,000 a year. Recently I got a job paying 1200 euro, the net pay I received was 576 euro. That’s a crazy tax system.

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    Mute Harry
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    Jul 26th 2023, 6:25 PM

    Here’s a “tax package” for any government, you can only steal 5% of what anyone earns in direct tax, and 1% maximum on any indirect tax.

    Anything you spend above that is down to you.

    Deal?

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    Mute Stealth
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    Jul 27th 2023, 4:28 AM

    Security ERO still has not passed, only waiting since 2019 for a pay increase from €11.65. If the min wage goes up to 12.70 we might get something.
    In that 5 years min wage would have gone up almost €3 from €9.80, but we’d only get €1.05

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