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Govt TDs push to ensure auto-enrolment isn’t a 'Trojan Horse' for cutting state pension

The government previously said the state pension would remain stable by increasing the rate of PRSI paid by workers.

THE STATE PENSION should be legally linked to an indicator such as the minimum wage to ensure its value isn’t ‘eroded’, several government TDs have said.

The Oireachtas Committee on Social Protection last week published a report on the proposed auto-enrolment pension system. One of the recommendations was: “The State Pension should either be statutorily linked to the Consumer Price Index or a percentage of the Living Wage to ensure the real value of the State pension is not eroded as auto-enrolment is rolled out.”

Several prominent figures from government parties Fianna Fáil and the Green Party have said the value of the state pension must not drop.

Fianna Fáil TD Éamon Ó Cuív said he is concerned that the auto-enrolment scheme, aimed at ensuring more people are saving for retirement, could be used as an excuse to allow the real value of the state pension to fall.

“What I am afraid of is that if people get an auto-enrolment pension, then in times of pressured finances the state pension would be allowed to dwindle in real terms,” he told The Journal.

“[My concern] is based on 33 years in the Oireachtas and what I have seen happen. Of course you can undo legislation, but you can’t do it on the QT – it makes it that bit harder to undo it.

“You’re already paying PRSI for the state pension – auto-enrolment is meant to be a top-up, not a replacement.”

Marc Ó Cathasaigh, the Green Party Social Protection spokesman, said the government should link the state pension payments to an indicator such as the Living Wage, which is due to replace the minimum wage in the coming years.

“I have spoken repeatedly in the Dáil on my belief that state benefits should be benchmarked against an external criterion to prevent the erosion of the value of those payments in real terms over time,” he said.

Dr Laura Bambrick, social policy officer at the Irish Congress of Trade Unions (ICTU) said a legal link to an indicator such as the minimum wage would be positive, as the value of the pension would be less vulnerable to the whims of politicians.

“Ireland is unusual for not having a form to determine welfare increases – it’s in the gift of the government to determine if it will be [a rise of] €5, €10, or whatever,” she told The Journal.

Bambrick said “in almost every other European country” a formula is used, where the state pension is set at a certain percent of something such as the minimum wage. Therefore, if the minimum wage rises by 5% in a year, so too does the state pension.

Under the proposed auto-enrolment scheme, which the government has pledged to introduce next year, almost all employees would automatically start contributing to a pension as soon as they start work.

It’s aimed mostly at the private sector, where it’s estimated roughly just a third of workers have a pension. This means they will be wholly reliant on the state pension when they retire, and could face significant financial difficulties once they stop earning.

Currently, there is no obligation for private firms to pay into their workers pensions. Under auto-enrolment, all three of the company, the worker and the state would contribute to the fund.

Several stare bodies have said this is aimed at ensuring people don’t have a sudden sharp drop in their standard of living after retirement.

However, Ó Cuív and several other figures have said they fear that once private pension coverage is more common, the government will be less inclined to raise state pension payments. If the state pension payments remained static, their value would fall over time due to inflation.

This is a particular concern as the cost of the state pension is already expected to rise significantly in the coming decades as the population ages.

Bambrick said preserving the value of the state pension would work in two ways – benchmarking and indexation.

Benchmarking is when the state pension is set at a certain value – the most commonly cited one is 34% of average weekly earnings. Once it is set at this level, then ‘indexation’ happens. This is where the payment is linked to an index – such as the Consumer Price Index or the Living Wage – and periodically rises along with it.

Bambrick said: “At the minute the state pension is worth €265 per week. If there was a benchmark to 34% of the average weekly wage, it would be €310 per week.

“Once you get to that, then every year after you index it so that it increases in line with wages or with the Consumer Price Index, whichever has the highest increase.”

Bambrick said workers should see auto-enrolment as something positive, as it means private employers will now be obliged to contribute to their employees pensions.

“The reason we brought the state pension into the discussion – and why there should be benchmarking and indexation – is we don’t want people to see auto-enrolment as a Trojan horse for the dilution of the state pension.

“The two pensions have two different objectives. The state pension is just for poverty alleviation. Auto enrolment is about ensuring that you can keep the standard of living you had while working.”

However, the Department of Social Protection said: “A smoothed earnings method to calculate a benchmarked/indexed rate of State Pension payments will be introduced to Government in September and considered as part of Budget 2024.”

Ciarán Lawler, Assistant Secretary at the Department, told the Social Protection committee in March that the benchmark rate would be 34% of regular earnings.

He said that  it would be introduced “as an annual input to the budgetary process every year”.

The government has previously said it will ensure the state pension payments remain stable by increasing the rate of PRSI paid by workers.

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    Mute Gavin
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:49 AM

    We’ve known for decades that Mediterranean diet is very healthy especially in older age. Why do we keep researching things where we already know the answer?

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    Mute Peter Carroll
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:57 AM

    @Gavin: It’s about finding out why and how.

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    Mute Lad_The
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:42 PM

    @Gavin: a lot of things we “know” are urban legends or old wives tales.
    Important that knowledge is verified and understood.

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    Mute
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:44 AM

    No mention of beef? What about the pooooooor hard done by farmers, surely we’re not suggesting that the government should subsidise the production of healthier, more sustainable foods like vegetables instead of continuing to spend millions on beef subsidies.

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    Mute milton friedman
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:34 AM

    @: 1. Beef is healthy in moderation. 2. The Beef industry is a big Irish exporter, so basically a strong economic resource.

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    Mute John Black
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:50 AM

    There is also research that states that a carnivore diet that’s very heavy on red meats like beef is very healthy and provides many benefits over a normal diet.
    I personally wouldn’t go for this but I think that what diet works best depends very much so on the individual and we shouldn’t go writing off certain foods because it doesn’t fit our narrative

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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:43 AM

    @milton friedman:

    If it’s such a strong economic resource why does it rely on subsidies? The EU is phasing out beef subsidies for a reason. Why should we be subsidising the production of something with taxpayer money?

    As for the “carnivore diet” being “healthy”, that’s fringe stuff that goes against the consensus. Saturated fat is linked to heart disease, the science on that is pretty solid. Most of our micronutrients come from fruit & veg rather than meat.

    Not saying for a second we should ban beef or anything, I’m just challenging this ridiculous idea that subsidising beef is the duty of our governments. If we’re going to subsidise the production of food (which is a good thing to prevent reliance on other countries), we should be subsidising healthy, economic foods. Beef is expensive to produce, produces far more CO2 and methane than the alternatives, and is largely unhealthy at the levels people eat it. You’ll find far more people eating too much beef than too little.

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    Mute milton friedman
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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:55 AM

    @: I don’t disagree with anything you have said; in fact I basically wholly agree.

    I was just outlining why beef receives subsidies, mainly for the second reason. I’m not sure the power it has now, surely diminished, but Ireland was making agreements with countries based on supplying beef (Libya and China for example) in the past, so it is seen as a benefit to subsidize beef production opposed to other produce.

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    Mute John Murphy
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:36 PM

    @John Black: The carnivore diet reduces all gut bacteria immensely, both good and bad. So while it lowers inflammation from the bad gut bacteria that live off things like carbs,it also reduces your much needed good gut bacteria and likely causes bad long term affects.

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    Feb 18th 2020, 2:29 PM

    @John Murphy:

    It also lacks vitamin C, a deficiency of which, causes scurvy. It’s a dangerous diet peddled by crackpots.

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    Mute John Murphy
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    Feb 18th 2020, 6:03 PM

    I wouldn’t call it a crack pot diet because it does show beneficial effects on a short term. But I agree it’s very dangerous for the average person to try.
    I’d stick with a low carb high fibre diet instead.

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    Mute Fergus O'Connor
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:58 AM

    Living in a Mediterranean climate boosts chances of ‘healthy’ ageing among older people as well

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    Mute Hanzee
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    Feb 18th 2020, 1:33 PM

    @Fergus O’Connor: absolutely and you get brown and wrinkly and can rock about in the sun naked as the day god made you all those years ago..

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    Mute Ken Bramley
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    Feb 18th 2020, 10:13 AM

    Did someone forget to mention the cheap glass of wine, the warm climate ,proper health system and early pension might also have something to do with it ?

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    Mute Garreth Byrne
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:29 AM

    @Ken Bramley: D’accord. C’est la vie!

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    Mute Shane Cormican
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:44 AM

    Eating Mediterranean fish in the Mediterranean will prolong your life even longer

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    Mute Micheal S. O' Ceilleachair
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:54 AM

    @Shane Cormican: An underwater eating session in the Med could drown you!!!

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    Mute The Observer
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:45 AM

    A BIG factor is climate they are more healthy because outside more therefore more active and its warm so helps with arthritis, would get a lot of vitamin D

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    Mute Sea Graham
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    Feb 18th 2020, 8:54 AM

    Well seeing as fish now consist or varying degrees of plastic you’d probably be better on a Mediterranean vegetarian diet with an omega 3 supplement.

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    Mute James Lane
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    Feb 18th 2020, 9:19 AM

    Just living in a Mediterranean environment would prolong your life, the fish unfortunately like everywhere else are probably Toxic

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    Mute Úna O Connor Barrett
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    Feb 18th 2020, 5:09 PM

    Yea,the price of fish in this country.The spanish hoovering up all the fish and we live on an island and we cant afford to eat fish every day.

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    Mute Proudly Italian
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:39 AM

    Knowing (and practising) this since I was 5 (months), I couldn’t agree more.
    Also, it’s importat to enjoy food, and prepare yourself. That’ll keep you healthy too.

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    Mute Gooey Man Vaal
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    Feb 18th 2020, 12:57 PM

    Load o’ bollocks

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    Mute IP.Man
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    Feb 18th 2020, 11:29 PM

    More Fiber, moderate meat, less processed fat like margarine or oil for 3 Euro, less sugar – it causes inflammation, that’s it. Of course most important is exercise.

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