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Opinion The consumer-driven concept of self-love has little to do with real self-respect

Niamh Jimenez looks at the pressure on us to be externally perfect and suggests we should be looking a little deeper.

MY TEENAGEHOOD WILL forever be haunted by the magic of the L’Oréal hair flick, followed by the model’s tantalising four-word invitation: “Because you’re worth it.”

More compelling than my memory of the advertisement was my discovery that, after chemically straightening my hair, lathering it with L’Oréal shampoo and blow drying it to perfection, I was no closer to finding genuine self-love than I was before I started.

During those coming-of-age years, our search for self-love is complicated by social pressures to conform and to belong to the so-called “tribe.”

One UK study highlights the unsettling “commodification” of self-esteem, where teens who fail to have the “right” look at the “right” time can face social exclusion and, inevitably, a decline in their intrinsic sense of self-worth. In Ireland, recent research has revealed alarmingly low levels of self-esteem, specifically body esteem, amongst teenage girls.

Selling perfection

Regrettably, the obstacles that lie in the way of loving ourselves do not magically disappear as soon as we become fully-fledged adults. While the intense anxiety of purchasing the “right” brands may subside by our thirties, we continue to search for self-love and belonging through the consumption of products that make us feel good: a mocha latte, a manicure, an “oatmeal avocado” face mask.

By this prevailing standard, self-love not only supplies us with a warm feeling but can be purchased without much emotional or psychological effort.

In a world where our lives are often fragmented by competing obligations, from navigating the murky politics of the office to raising children and trying to preserve the spark of intimate relationships, it is not surprising that we elect to conserve our energy.

And so, our relentlessly busy lifestyles have given rise to a kind of “convenience self-love”- the wellness culture’s equivalent to fast food – which is now available in pretty subscription boxes.

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The booming beauty and personal care industry, valued at $571 billion this year, tends to promote materialistic self-care as the hallmark of psychological well-being. Buoyed up by a captive audience on social media, giant high-street brands capitalise on self-esteem and self-love campaigns, not only to boost their profit margins but to persuade us that indulging in their products is our birthright.

Self-respect and self-worth

Etched in my memory is the mix of horror and pity that I evoked in one confrontational sales assistant as she peddled “a limited collection” of skincare cleansers. In response to her question, “What do you use on your face?” I committed what could only be described as an act of self-care heresy by confessing, “Just soap.”

She spent the next few minutes presenting me with ludicrously priced lotions and potions, seemingly determined to rescue me from the depths of what she perceived as my deprivation.

The irony is that, more often than not, the fleeting thrill of buying self-love is swiftly punctuated by an emptiness that begs to be filled, yet again, with another shiny object – a deep cleansing face mask infused with charcoal and volcanic ash, perhaps.

It took me almost two decades to grasp that self-love, along with its essential ingredient of self-respect, cannot be bought through skin care cleansers, hair products, butt-shaping pants, or silent negotiations with other people.

Choosing this consumerist route is equivalent to groping around in the dark, not just for that elusive state of self-love, but for the reflection of our own worthiness in the eyes of other people: wives, husbands, best friends, anonymous passers-by.

The truth, however, is that if self-respect had anything to do with the approval of others, we would live forever at the mercy of their ever-changing whims and fickle opinions – something which the American writer Joan Didion suggests, is more symptomatic of self-alienation than self-respect.

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In a 1961 essay in Vogue, Didion declared that self-respect, the core ingredient of self-love, has nothing to do with external forces and everything to do with our own actions, choices and conversations with ourselves.

According to Didion, genuine self-love has to be cultivated, similar to a discipline or an art form: she described it as “a habit of mind that can never be faked but can be developed, trained, coaxed forth.” For Didion and perhaps the women of her generation, self-respect sprang from the old-fashioned concept of “character,” defined as “the willingness to accept responsibility for one’s own life.”

Doing the work

Didion’s model of self-respect sits jarringly next to the messages that I and other millennials have long internalised.

Not only does it violate the teaching of self-love as an exercise in buying comforts, but it also appears to go against the almost universal expectation that loving yourself is the product of a kind of passive self-acceptance.

While I grew up thinking that self-love would simply arrive one day as if by some spontaneous chemical reaction, Didion’s version of self-respect demands hard work, self-honesty and an ample dose of critical reflection.

Although she never applied a face mask or took a bubble bath in her life, It is likely that my grandmother had what Didion called “character.” At the age of six or seven, she staged a protest against her parents’ decision not to send her to school. After what she describes as a year-long temper tantrum, my great-grandparents succumbed to her resolute spirit.

The scars on her legs as an older woman told the story of her barefoot walks through sugarcane fields to get an education. After completing her high school education at 20 and spending a couple of years at a secretarial college, my grandmother travelled on her own from Puerto Rico to the United States, where, with a heart full of ambition, she became a schoolteacher.

Building character

It is only now, with my revised understanding of self-love, that I recognise my grandmother as the exemplar of an almost forgotten ideal. While she overcame extreme poverty and held herself to the highest standards of academic achievement, her self-respect resided in the everyday choices she made and her unwavering commitment to her own convictions.

In the face of conflicting family values and expectations, she possessed, from the age of seven, a resolute clarity about what she wanted in life.

She understood, if even unconsciously, that if she was ever to look at herself in the mirror, she had to align her actions with her deepest values. She understood that, although her choices would alienate her from the community she knew, she had to shoulder responsibility for the consequences, both good and bad, of living authentically.

Despite the immense effort, courage and discipline required to cultivate genuine self-respect, there is no greater gift than being in charge of one’s own life. Without genuine self-respect, we risk forever trying to fit inside other people’s projected fantasies of who we are, becoming enslaved by external circumstances and being buried alive beneath a mountain of eyelash combs, hair perfumes, facial masks and scented candles.

Niamh Jimenez is a freelance writer and online journalist covering racial inclusion, mental health science and digital therapeutics. She is also currently undertaking a master’s degree in humanistic and integrative psychotherapy.  

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:54 AM

    This strike reminds me of Eastern Airlines in the 1980s
    Workers went on strike demanding better hours and higher wages
    Management told them the airline is just about surviving and will close if strike continues as they were haemorrhaging money
    Workers kept striking
    Airline closed

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:04 AM

    @Quentin Moriarty: sadly that is what needs to happen with all these strikes. The Unions are stuck back in The Industrial Revolution mindset whereas their conditions have moved on. You can’t demand more money out of thin air and if Irish Rail closes what are these lads going to do? Get a job with the competition? Why couldn’t the unions compromise or propose some improvements from the workers to try and secure the amount they wanted? same old mindset more money for the same or in some cases less work. They would strike if new trains that made their jobs easier were brought in.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:39 AM

    @Quentin Moriarty: I can see the same thing happening here on some routes which private buses could replace. The government will probably let the strike happen until common sense prevails with the rail unions. This will enevitably lead to routes closing like has happened with Bus Eireann. Rail workers will lose out eventually, wait and see. It is a pity they can’t see common sense where economics are concerned instead of a greedy grab where everyone loses out.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:25 AM

    @Derek Power: A deal was agreed by both senior management (up to second in command) and the unions two weeks ago. Apparently the vast majority of Irish rail staff were happy with the outcome. But the CEO of Irish rail refused to sign off on the deal, even though it had minimal impact on the companys finances….. As I said before, if you keep kicking the dog, it will eventually bite back at you!!!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 5:09 PM

    @Quentin Moriarty: state owned company

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:54 AM

    Solidarity with the ticket sellers stuck in penury on 48 grand a year.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:00 AM

    @Honeybadger197: ah you’d miss Wally all the same.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:01 AM

    @Jane: Ah you wouldn’t though… :)

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:19 AM

    @Honeybadger197: I always got a bit of amusement out of his nonsense

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:46 AM

    @Jane: whatever happened to him as I know just like his arch enemies paid trolls like MK76 who are still on the Journal spouting crap, Wally did actually speak some sense but had very tunnel vision he was an out and out lefty and whilst I personally agree with some of what they come out with but they literally protest for the sake of protesting, come back wally

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:44 AM

    @David Mc Nally: why does an IT student think so vehemently that train drivers are underpaid at 43k per year?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:44 AM

    @Jonny: I don’t know, he disappeared entirely. In my view he was ridiculous, his very odd sensible remark was totally overshadowed by his giberish.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 6:21 PM

    @Jane:
    The moment the Jobstown trial hit the four courts Wally disappeared…..
    Mind you given the farcical ending of that I thought he would be back.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:52 AM

    This strike was inevitable.Unions succeeded in getting ludicrous pay rises for the bus/tram drivers but what makes this unforgivable is the timing and length of the strikes which shows the contempt that the drivers and unions have for passengers. 14th with no Rail service.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:16 AM

    Its time for the government to refuse to negotiate with trade unions. They are anti employment. They create barriers to entry for new employees to prop up the wages of the current staff. Bus Eireann is a perfect example, bus drivers making a fortune from over time, over time is a clear indication that more staff are needed. Instead of giving someone who is unable to pay their mortgage the chance to earn a living they make more demands for their already overpaid workers.
    When we see the ridiculous wages the rail workers are on, remember that this money is taken out of the pocket of any would be earner. Unions are an absolute disgrace, say they are their to protect the working man but are anything but!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:48 AM

    @Dark Knight: It is a bit different where bus drivers are concerned as it is more likely buses are held up due to congestion. You can’t have drivers walking off just because their shift ends leaving passengers stranded. These issues need to be sorted and written into employment contracts.
    I read a case recently where a bus driver was suspended for not turning up for work causing the cancellation of a bus route.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:52 AM

    @Chris Kirk: it only makes up a fraction of their overtime but even taking that into account, the amount they get paid for overtime encourages them to take as long as possible. They actually have an incentive to be inefficient.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:29 AM

    I haven’t had a pay rise since 2008 either.

    I can’t strike nor do I want to strike.

    God help them when Irish Rail is shut down and sold to private enterprise.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:52 AM

    @The IMF are here: Better to have an efficient private service in my view, there is a lot of dead wood with the present set-up and land occupied by CIE which could be sold or put to better use to make affordable homes.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:49 AM

    Don’t know where you lot get your figures,There isn’t a ticket checker in the country on 48 grand or anywhere near it. There hasn’t been a premium rate for overtime since 2000. We’ve forgone payrises since 2008 and even took a voluntary pay cut for two years all the while production levels have improved,health and safety has improved. Btw there are more than train drivers on strike. Some beauts on here with no clue as to what the issues are.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:32 AM

    @Peter O Brien: Rightly so! I hope they’re closer to minimum wage because it’s a minimum wage job!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:58 AM

    @Peter O Brien: You’re wasting your time trying to talk sense here. They don’t want to know the truth of the issue. It’s a shill fest at the moment, the same ones are against any worker getting anything in the way of a wage increase. No problem that the CEO earns more than Leo and has had many increases to his salary and bonuses in the last 10yrs, so has his staff.
    They want, like all neoliberal fans, all public services be privatised. They don’t look across the water to see the reducion in services, and the price gouging on in the privatised rail service there. They like to forget the price gouging in the privatised waste business.
    Ordinary workers are simply “dregs” not worth the money they work for. They believe the spin and hype the media churns out that it’s the workers who are at fault. When it’s neoliberal policy to force privatisation and blame the workers.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:56 AM

    And the minister for transport shane ross tweets about the man united match last night. Absolute pi$$ take of a country. He should be sacked over his handling with bus eireann. The unions and company were close to an agreement 5 days ago and this fool intervened. #clown #finegealmuppet

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:36 AM

    @Dan Ennis: What do you suggest Dan to resolve the situation ?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:15 AM

    @Dan Ennis: the unions want the government to hand money over to cover costs, Ross is refusing. What else can he do?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:44 AM

    @David Mc Nally: What has that to do with it?

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    Nov 3rd 2017, 1:14 AM

    @David Mc Nally: Does a company like Tesco or Ryanair send letters to it’s shareholders asking for more money? No it doesn’t. Why is it any different for a publicly owned company?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:01 AM

    Trainw@nkers getting on my bus! :(

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:49 AM

    I’m in 2 minds about this one one hand I’m thinking well 10 years is a long time to go without a pay rise, however what I didn’t realise is some of the staff are on well over 50K which is a serious amount of money for most who aren’t D4 types

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:19 AM

    @Jonny: they have still been getting incremental rises as per their contract though – they just don’t count as pay rises apparently though.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:30 AM

    It’s an average industrial job and should attract the average industrial wage! These lads have very low skill levels and what they do have is not transferable. Some Solicitors, Accountants and other professionals don’t earn the sort of money these jokers get. Sack them and start from scratch! About €35k a year is all they deserve!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:49 AM

    @joe: For the vast majority that’s what they get,and what they don’t need is the likes of you denigrating their work. A lot of the work we do in the CCE is complex and challenging and whilst it doesn’t need a degree it does take training and experience garnered over many years and is done in all weather and mostly while everybody else’s is tucked up in bed.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 11:00 AM

    @joe: Another job snob.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 11:07 AM

    @Peter O Brien: one of the things I’ve never understood is people in public sector jobs complaining about “being out in all weathers while you’re tucked up in bed” or “working unsociable hours” – that’s what you signed up for. That’s the job. Don’t like it? Don’t do it. It’s totally irrelevant – when you take the position you know there’ll be shifts and late nights and outdoor conditions.

    It’s like teachers complaining that they should get more pay because they have to deal with young people! Ridiculous.

    Are you undervalued in your work – in your opinion? Yes? Then ask for a raise. If it’s refused – leave. That’s how the rest of the world has to operate.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 2:14 PM

    @Peter O Brien: firstly did you not know that you would have to work in all weather when you took the job? Did the weather in Ireland become unpredictable overnight?
    I agree that a lot of the work is highly skilled. However that is the problem with unions they are looking for across the board increases.Where somebody is in a role where their skills are in demand then they should be granted increases to retain their services. CIE should have programmes to help their employees upskill, however somebody who is happy to sit in the same role doing a menial task for 40-45 years shouldn’t be getting pay rises outside of inflation. Upskilling and further education should be encouraged and rewarded!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:26 PM

    @Peter O Brien: complex and challenging? Do feel free to explain all these qualifications that are required to do the job that any pleb off the street cannot be trained in?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:58 PM

    @Damien Gill: Go back to playing your X box ye gimp.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:14 PM

    @Damien Gill: People in glass houses Damien.

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    Nov 2nd 2017, 4:47 AM

    @Peter O Brien: says it all really if thats your best retort and you cant defend your point in a rational manner

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    Nov 2nd 2017, 4:49 AM

    @Gary Mander: nothing to do with glass houses my point is valid for many a job ours included

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    Nov 2nd 2017, 12:37 PM

    @Damien Gill: “Pleb off the street”?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:40 AM

    I just saw striking rail workers prevent a Bus Éireann Bus enter Galway station. Roads around station now being used as temporary bus station. Elderly people forced to lug bags another 300 metres to board bus.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:38 AM

    The ordinary joe soap hasnt had a wage increase since the recession started and have no futher prospect of ever getting one id imagine. Rail workers are on good money,have a job with perks so id say screw them . Any rail employee who thinks its ok to make the general public suffer because of their demands is morally wrong. Suck it up and drive the dam trains for gods sake.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:32 AM

    @Dave barrett: And the ordinary Joe soap is not getting anywhere near 55k a year. This is pure greed plain and simple. Can’t wait til trains are automated

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    Nov 1st 2017, 10:06 AM

    Traffic wasn’t actually as bad as I thought it would be. Thank god for mid term!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:19 AM

    But but but, we haven’t had a salary increase in 10 years, the company has been telling everyone about the record passengers numbers, right I’ve given the first 2 arguments we will hear on the news.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:18 AM

    @Gavin R: they have been getting increments though which apparently doesn’t count as a pay rise.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:36 AM

    @Theunpopularpopulist: but you’ve got it in one, doesn’t count as a pay rise, they want a rise but don’t want to give any extra productivity, the unions get a sniff of passengers increases and the first thing they look for is additional money.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 1:07 PM

    Why don’t the clowns in government set up courses so the unemployed are shown how to operate trains. I m sure they would appreciate the work.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 8:53 AM

    Get a motorbike, never have to use trains again, I did.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:16 PM

    Start privatisation with the longer runs like Dublin/Galway, Dublin/Cork, etc. and get rid of the Bully Unions.
    Train driving is not a Super skill and should not be deemed so.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 6:25 PM

    An hour and a half later and still trying to get on a bus FFS

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:11 PM

    @Anthony Edward Healy: Took me two hours to get home on the bus and that was with leaving early from work as well. Got to see the nipper for five minutes before putting her to bed. Screw the unions. #workersagainstunions

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    Nov 1st 2017, 1:53 PM

    Can anyone tell me what is the current pay ?

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    Nov 3rd 2017, 1:18 AM

    @Sean Foley: Starting salary is €37k escalating to €61 after 10 years. For comparison: the average graduate salary in this country is €26k.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:48 AM

    No $h!t Sherlock

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    Nov 1st 2017, 5:24 PM

    Paging Shane Ross.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 9:44 PM

    The only support I saw them getting today on their pickets was from their fellow snouts in the trough i.e. The bus drivers.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 5:51 PM

    The state needs to subsidise Irish Rail if it expects to maintain free/cost neutral tickets for pensioners and students. Everyone else pays for these people with the ticket price so high, but it should be paid through our taxes, otherwise it’ll continue to have people opting to use cars or the Bus.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:23 PM

    @Ben Coughlan: newsflash the state ALREADY subsidises irish rail and pensioners etc.

    When you have comprehended that simple fact then feel free to rejoin the discussion with the rest of the adults

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    Nov 1st 2017, 2:49 PM

    Funny the Irish rail workers are getting it between the eyes in the comments below. And that maybe justified but a few foreign Pilots on £600 a day kicked off and the same crowd drove the boot into MoL instead of the pilots.
    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 5:57 PM

    @Gareth Cooney: Ryanair pilots are paid by a voluntarily operating commercial enterprise, and not by our government using our taxes.

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    Nov 3rd 2017, 1:21 AM

    @Gareth Cooney: We are shareholders in Irish Rail, we are entitled to an opinion into how they spend our money.
    Being forced by unions to spend upwards of 60% of their revenue on Salaries and charging us €50 each way to get the train to Cork is not our idea of prudent spending

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    Nov 1st 2017, 12:49 PM

    Irish Rail and the Unions should stop shilly shallying around this with a stoppage here and a stoppage there 5 days notified allready. Close the whole thing down and people will come to their senses in a very short time or else !!!

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    Nov 1st 2017, 6:33 PM

    @Tony Hartigan:
    Their afraid people might learn how to live without them.
    Has Bus Eireann recovered market share since they went all out?

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:47 PM

    @Tony Hartigan: They sure will and get the Government to privatise it and get rid of Bully Unions

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:33 PM

    Drove to Dublin from Cork today. Was on Stephens Green, sandyford, Stillorgan. No major traffic at all. Thought it was easier than usual to be honest.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 6:35 PM

    The government need to start work on teleportation travel, do away with buses and trains and all modes of transport in fact.

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    Nov 1st 2017, 7:57 PM

    this so called government need s step in , and tell the unions ,
    accept what s on the table or sell it off to a company that takes no b/ shit

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    Nov 3rd 2017, 1:23 AM

    Labour Court rulings should be made binding. Then maybe union’s wouldn’t be so fast to let talks fall apart after 2 days.

    Please FF-FG, do something good with your right wing ideology for once….

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