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British Government refuse to pause NI legacy Bill despite opposition from victims groups

British minister Jonathan Caine defended the Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill.

THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT’S legacy Bill, which is opposed by political parties and victims’ groups, will not be paused, the Northern Ireland Office minister has insisted.

As the parliamentary under secretary of state at the Northern Ireland Office, Jonathan Caine has had an integral role in the passage of the controversial legislation through the House of Lords.

The Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill proposes an offer of immunity from prosecution for perpetrators of crimes during the Troubles who co-operate with a truth-recovery body.

This would include halting future civil cases and inquests linked to killings during the conflict.

This has sparked condemnation from victims’ groups, all the main Stormont parties and the Irish government on the grounds that it would deny justice to families of victims.

Caine said he understood the criticisms of the Bill but that a “realistic assessment” had to be made.

“I’m not immune to the feelings of those who’ve lost friends and loved ones to violence, to terrorism, and that’s when I made the pledge that I wanted to try and improve the Bill,” he told the BBC.

“What we have to do is step back and make a realistic assessment. Twenty-five years after the agreement, 29 years after the ceasefires, over half a century since the Troubles began, what we can realistically deliver for people in circumstances where the prospects of prosecutions is going to be vanishingly rare.”

The Bill is pending the report stage in the House of Lords, where it will have a third reading before proceeding to the final stages towards becoming law.

Caine said the Bill’s progression would not be paused.

“One thing to be clear about is that we’re not trying to pause, we’re not pausing the Bill,” he said.

“It’s coming before the House of Lords next week for its report stage on the 21st and then the 26th of this month, but I’ve taken a very long time over the Bill.

“I first introduced it in July last year into the Lords and we didn’t do a second reading til November.

“And I did make a pledge at that second reading last year that I would try and do my best to improve the Bill and put it into a better shape than the House of Commons had sent to us when we return it to the House of Commons in due course.

“We don’t want to delay but the case you’ve referred to does highlight one of the problems of the current inquest system, which is they are prone to delays because of lengthy processes.”

He added: “It’s not unknown for there to be lengthy delays in coronial inquests where there’s a lot of national security sensitive information or sensitive information that needs to be examined by the police or by the armed forces before anything is actually handed over.”

Caine said the process under the new system would allow for information to be more forthcoming.

“I understand that many people have waited a long time for these inquests to start, to be granted, to get off the ground, and so on, which is one of the reasons why under our proposals, we want to try and get more answers, more information to people in a more timely manner than has been possible through the coronial inquest system,” he said.

This week, the PSNI apologised to a group known as the Hooded Men for the “actions and omissions of officers” surrounding interrogation techniques the men were subjected to in the 1970s.

Caine acknowledged that the process of information gathering outline in the proposed legislation would reveal instances where members of the security forces did not “live up to the highest standards”.

He said that during Operation Banner – the operational name for the British armed forces’ operation in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 2007, more than “250,000, 300,000 people served in the police, the armed forces”.

He added: “The vast majority did an extremely professional, honourable and courageous job and I’m on record many times to say that without their service and sacrifice, there would have been no peace process. So we owe them an enormous debt of honour.

“However, there will of course, during that 30-year period, be examples of where people didn’t live up to the highest standards. And of course, I fully expect this process will identify some cases where that happened.”

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Tanaiste Micheal Martin have both expressed opposition to the legacy Bill.

Caine said engagement with the Irish government was ongoing.

“We continue to talk to the Irish government about these matters, and you’ll be aware that the British-Irish intergovernmental conference is meeting in London next week,” he said.

“I had meetings with the Department of Foreign Affairs a couple of weeks ago to discuss some of these issues.

He added that the UK government would “encourage Dublin to work with a new body and alongside it and to cooperate”.

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    Mar 10th 2022, 11:08 PM

    Why do the journal not name the tramps that have been charged with the vicious assault on Tom Niland?

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    Mar 11th 2022, 6:22 AM

    @Gavin Linden: they will be named soon enough.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 7:06 AM

    @OConnelj: They are named every where else though.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 7:13 AM

    @Gavin Linden: I didn’t know that Gavin, I haven’t looked.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 7:16 AM

    @OConnelj: when you say “everywhere else” do you mean reputable news sources or some posts on social media?

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    Mar 11th 2022, 8:05 AM

    @OConnelj: RTÉ have named them on their site

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    Mar 11th 2022, 12:37 PM

    @Gavin Linden: they are named in the article about them

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    Mar 11th 2022, 6:51 AM

    In all honesty, though, who gives rice milk to children and thinks it’s a healthy choice?

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    Mar 11th 2022, 7:03 AM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: It’s scary that they even have to tell people this, but I remember some poor Belgian child dying a few years ago cause their vegan parents somehow thought it was a good idea to wean them on to the like of this. Remember this is a world where they need to put warnings on microwave manuals, to not put animals in them.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 8:07 AM

    @sean o’dhubhghaill: people who’s children have an intolerance to diary which is very common. The problem is people try alternatives without consulting a nutritionist. Probably due to the expense.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 8:37 AM

    @Rmaybe: goats milk is a safe alternative, the makeup of goats milk is the nearest of all milks to breast milk.

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    Mar 10th 2022, 10:53 PM

    The world is gone mad isn’t it?

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    Mar 10th 2022, 11:00 PM

    @Paul Gorry: is it though? Was it always? And now we are of an age to see it for what it really is?

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    Mar 10th 2022, 11:37 PM

    @Dearbhla O Reilly: caps of to you Dearbhla very fair point.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 2:58 AM

    Cows milk is for calves. I’ll take my chances with arsenic atm

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    Mar 11th 2022, 5:55 AM

    @Susan McMahon: cows milk may be for calves but if you think drinking something natural like that is wrong how to you reconcile drinking milk from rice. Rice! Surely something that can only exist as a result of an industrial manufacturing process can’t be better than drinking cows milk? Does your cat feel the same way? I mean how do you even milk rice? Their nipples must be tiny.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 6:41 AM

    @Susan McMahon: I’m sure you drank your fair share of milk when you were young, so if it’s only for calves, that would make you a cow now.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 7:55 AM

    @Susan McMahon: cows milk is for calves. Correct. There is no evidence to show that cows milk is harmful for humans. Also correct

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    Mar 11th 2022, 10:15 AM

    @Susan McMahon: It’s been good enough for humans for the last 10,000 years. So much so that we’ve almost lost our adult lactose intolerance that other mammals keep. Now that’s progress!

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    Mar 11th 2022, 11:14 AM

    @Ivan Connolly: Cats have lactose intolerance. Even though they may enjoy the odd plate of milk, they tend to have nasty diarrhoea afterwards.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 3:23 PM

    @Susan McMahon: Thats not what the article is about, it about possibly poisoning children with oat extract.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 9:45 AM

    Vegan warriors trying to push their way on us .. if I want a sizzling steak with cheese and a big pint of milk I will have it so pipe down . 95% of the country like it that way

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    Mar 11th 2022, 12:34 PM

    @Gerrard: who are you telling to pipe down? Reading through the comments it doesn’t look like anyone is trying to dictate to you.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 8:16 AM

    This got a mention on Joe Duffy yesterday as a viable alternative.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 11:15 AM

    @Pat Barry: As part of a balanced diet, rice milk can be fine. As a substitute for infant formula or breast milk – not so much.

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    Mar 11th 2022, 3:32 PM

    Rice extract can be a usual diet supplement. It is not milk, nr is any of the other overly prices “milks” being sold. It is extract from nuts.
    The arrogance of people to decide to feed a child a substance that can kill the child due to their beliefs is frightening.
    Not surprising as there are plenty of anti vaxers out there.
    As for vegans, fine if you want to be one, off you go. Just please do not hold a high and mighty attitude and lecture us. Who choose not to be. I respect your decision, not respect mine. I dont want to be told that I am eating a baby, when eating meat. I am eating a farm animal. Possibly a young farm animal. Not a baby. Besides all you do is make me more determined to eat more meat. I try and eat as much free range and ethically farmed meat as possible. It is not always possible on a pension. I am not a middle class professional earning good money.

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