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A forum on Irish foreign policy and neutrality kicks off this week - but what's it all about?

President Higgins’ intervention has turned up the heat in the neutrality debate ahead of a key government event to discuss Ireland’s security future.

LAST UPDATE | 19 Jun 2023

PRESIDENT MICHAEL D Higgins’ strongly worded intervention in favour of continuing Irish military neutrality at the weekend has forced the government to defend its Consultative Forum on International Security Policy.

The controversy came days before the event kicks off, turning up the heat in the already contentious debate on Ireland’s future foreign policy.

The forum could be a stepping stone towards significant changes in Irish security policy, including the Triple Lock on mandating new military missions.

But President Higgins is not the first politician to raise questions about the event; it has been heavily criticised by opposition politicians since it was announced in April

Here’s what we to expect as the debate on one of the thorniest questions in Irish politics gets underway this week.

How will the forum work?

The Consultative Forum on International Security will happen over four days, kicking off on Thursday in University College Cork. The remaining sessions will happen in the University of Galway on Friday, followed by two days in Dublin Castle next week. 

The sessions will be live-streamed and members of the public have had the chance to register to attend, although places are limited. Members of the public can also make submissions in writing.

The forum differs from a Citizens’ Assembly – the format favoured by the Opposition for any discussion of neutrality – in which an assembly that broadly reflects the demographics of the country would be selected from randomly chosen households.

A Citizens’ Assembly would issue recommendations following information sessions with experts and deliberations among themselves.

Some of the outcomes of previous Citizens’ Assemblies, for example on abortion, have been treated with great respect by politicians and have been influential on subsequent policymaking. 

When the consultative forum was announced, Martin said the reason the government had not gone for a Citizens Assembly was that two were already planned: one on drugs – which is currently underway; and another on education.

Who will be speaking?

Moderated discussions at the forum will be held among experts, such as academics from universities and researchers at think tanks such as the influential Chatham House.

For example, a debate on Thursday on cyber security two years after the attack on the HSE will be moderated by the head of the National Cyber Security Centre and involve Brigadier General Seán White, director of cyber defence at the EU Military Staff, and Richard Parker, vice-president of cyber security at Dell, the technology company.

The chair of the forum is Louise Richardson, an Irish counterterrorism expert who now works in philanthropy. She is a former vice-chancellor of Oxford University.

President Higgins disparaged her in the Business Post for being a Dame of the British Empire, an accolade she received in recognition of her service to education. The Áras apologised on Monday for what it described as a “casual remark” by the president.

Opposition politicians have alleged there are too few pro-neutrality voices on the forum’s roster of speakers, while President Higgins suggested there were no speakers from neutral countries such as Austria and Malta, whereas formerly neutral countries who have recently applied to join Nato had been invited as panellists.

The Department of Foreign Affairs told The Journal: “Representatives from the embassies of all EU member states, including Austria, Malta and Cyprus, have been invited to attend and we look forward to hearing from them during the forum”.

The Department said representatives from Finland, Sweden, Norway and Switzerland were invited to speak as panellists because “all of these countries are, like Ireland, active participants in peacebuilding, conflict prevention and resolution, human rights and international humanitarian law globally, but take different approaches to their security policy”.

Sweden and Finland applied to join Nato after Russia invaded Ukraine. 

What will happen next?

After the forum has wrapped up, Richardson will draft a report to submit to the Minister for Foreign Affairs. The minister will then decide whether to bring recommendations to Government based on her report.

The Government has been keen to emphasise that the forum is a not a “binary debate” on neutrality and Richardson’s report is likely to be wide-ranging, reflecting the broad scope of the four days of discussions at the forum. 

The Department of Foreign Affairs told The Journal that those sharing their expertise at the forum have experience in peacekeeping, conflict revolution, cyber security, disinformation, maritime security and critical infrastructure.

Nonetheless, all eyes will be on the question of military neutrality. The forum’s outcomes relating to the so-called Triple Lock on mandating new missions and to Ireland’s relationship with the Nato military alliance are likely to be particularly politically sensitive and controversial. 

The Triple Lock refers to the requirement for separate approval by the government, the Dáil and a UN resolution to mandate deploying more than 12 Irish troops abroad.

The programme for the forum notes the increasing use of vetoes at UN level by Russia, preventing new peacekeeping missions from being established. The forum’s programme poses the questions: “What does this mean for Ireland’s ability to pursue an independent foreign policy? What implications does this have for the Triple Lock?”

On Nato, the forum will consider how the decision of Finland and Sweden to join Nato affects European security and what the implications are for Ireland. 

Ireland is a member of Nato’s “Partnership for Peace” (PfP), a programme of bilateral cooperation with some European states.

Last year, Nato outlined a range of existing and new areas for PfP members to engage in, including maritime security, cyber and hybrid, and critical infrastructure.

The forum’s panellists will be asked to consider “areas of mutual interest and relevance” as Ireland is currently negotiating a new partnership framework under PfP.

What have politicians said?

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar reiterated on Monday that Ireland “is not going to join Nato” or sign any mutual defence clauses.

There is no discussion planned at the forum on the idea of enshrining neutrality in the constitution, as called for by Sinn Féin and People Before Profit. This would mean a referendum.

However, opposition TDs have been critical of the forum since it was announced.

Sinn Féin has branded it “less about public discussion than an attempt to reshape public opinion”, with Matt Carthy, the party’s foreign affairs spokesman, telling the Dáil he feared it was “a blatant attempt to undermine” neutrality.

This argument was aired again in a fractious Dáil debate last week, leading to a visibly angry Minister for Foreign Affairs, Tánaiste Micheál Martin accusing People Before Profit TD Paul Murphy and his party colleagues of trying to shut down discussion, undermining freedom of speech.

The Tánaiste defended the forum as “a genuine debate with a huge, wide range of speakers with different perspectives”, after Murphy claimed there was just one anti-war speaker lined up for the event and “multiple people who are on record as being in favour of joining NATO”.

President Higgins also expressed similar thoughts on the forum to those aired by the opposition. In an interview with The Business Post, he said the various panels at the forum largely comprised “the admirals, the generals, the air force, the rest of it”.

A spokesman issued an apology for some of his remarks earlier today.

Why is this happening now?

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has brought the question of Ireland’s security policy to the fore.

Tánaiste Micheál Martin said last week that “the security situation in Europe has changed fundamentally” in the past year, necessitating an “ honest and open debate to examine whether our current policy approach remains fit for purpose”.

What doesn’t seem to have changed is the broad support among the Irish public for the long-standing policy of military neutrality.

A poll for the Irish Times last week found 61 per cent of people favour retaining the current policy of military neutrality, although the poll also indicated majority support for increased defensive military capacity. 

Given the popularity of neutrality as a watchword of Irish foreign policy, any potential changes to come out of the forum are likely to be sensitive and contentious.

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    Mute Winston Smith
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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:37 PM

    No to NATO.

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    Mute HMurphy
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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:34 PM

    @Winston Smith: And I think the vast majority of Irish people agree with you. However, we have a government who do not care or want to hear it. They dismiss the polls that go against their own preferences,. They weight assemblies, forums, and panels with people in support of their ideals and think we don’t notice. They are deluded and for some reason fancy themselves as wheeler dealers in the upper echelons of the EU and now NATO. A doctor who didn’t have the stomach to deal with us dirty peasants and a man who worked as a primary school teacher for ONE year. These are the people who want us to throw away our neutrality. Sickening.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 12:08 AM

    @Winston Smith: Yes to NATO

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:50 PM

    It’s all about laying the foundation for the removal of our much respected neutral status. This government is determined to undermine our neutrality at every opportunity.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:18 PM

    @Patrick Presley: manure. Ireland has never been politically neutral, plus there are now threats to this country that didn’t exist a decade or two ago. We should be looking at options, or do you want to deny discussion about things you don’t like? There’s a word for that.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:49 PM

    Ireland is sleepwalking into NATO.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:16 PM

    @Dave Grant: this forum has nothing to do with NATO

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:47 PM

    @Roj Blake: That’s what Martin and Varadkar have stated , but if you believe a word that comes out of their mouths ..A well…P.S. Varadkar has stated Ireland will not join NATO…but wouldn’t hold my breath concerning the statements Varadkar had said , The U turns made by Martin in his political live are legendary. At all four meetings. Varadkar will speak once..Martin twice…Ryan once, Think the NATO agenda is certainly on the cards . Like cardinals selling religion.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:05 PM

    @Roj Blake:

    Liar.

    irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/06/01/ireland-interested-in-nato-or-eu-defence-cooperation-to-protect-infrastructure-varadkar/

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:59 PM

    @Juri Hertel: Not the same thing, but hey. Cooperation is not Membership.
    We have already been involved in NATO PFP for decades along with other EU neutrals, and it had no impact on our mythical neutrality.
    NATO don’t want us. We are nowhere near the capability they need to even be considered for membership, assuming we applied. And nobody in government is suggesting we should join..
    This talk of NATO membership is a red herring put out by the Tankies from PBP to distract attention from the real issue, the fact that any of our foreign policy decisions must be approved by Russia, China and the other permanent members of the UNSC.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 7:33 PM

    @Donal Desmond: you might want to review all the recent u turns SF have done on security issues, suspect their pay masters in Moscow have been guiding them on how to fool people

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:52 PM

    Why would we believe this government…as it seems the committee is all hand-picked by the government with an agenda of back door policy for NATO… a recommendation was laid out for our DF off the equipment that is needed for them to do their job…the public has said it does not Ireland in NATO or NATO lite. Listen to your people not an agenda from Europe

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:59 PM

    @Paul Maguire: English not your first language Komrade?

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:52 PM

    Well , I am opposed to any change to our policy of neutrality / non alignment ( call it what you will) and any further involvement with NATO ; I would like to see us withdraw from the Partnership for Peace programme . Bill Clinton did say that it was NATO through the back door . I also oppose any change to the Triple Lock Mechanism , primarily because I don’t trust our politicians .
    We should spend more on Defence so that we have a credible defence force . Back during the Cold War we spent about 1% of the annual Budget on defence ; it is now about .25% annually . I think that we should go back to 1% annually divided equally between the three services . We can easily afford to do that , the Government wasts an incredible amount of money every year . Also we need to deal seriously with the many institutional problems in the defence forces .
    Lastly I do think that these forums are primarily about softening up Public Opinion .

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:20 PM

    @Des Hanrahan: you don’t trust our own democratically elected politicians, but you’re happy with a tyrant like Putin having a veto over us?

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:33 PM

    @Roj Blake: Oh dear ; Putin does not have a veto over us !

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:41 PM

    @Des Hanrahan: yes he does as Russia is a permanent member of the UN security council.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:52 PM

    @Roj Blake: In that case so do the USA, UK , France and China , none of whom seem to bother you ! The Permanent members of the Security Council have a veto over the Council’s activities only . They have zero veto power over the Foreign or Defence policy of any UN member state .

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    Jun 19th 2023, 10:00 PM

    @Des Hanrahan: Thats exactly what he has while the Triple lock relies on a UNSC ratification.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 10:01 PM

    @Des Hanrahan: It does for normal countries without a triole lock. For us, it has a veto.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:41 PM

    @Des Hanrahan: might want to read up in the triple lock. Being netural means deciding your own foreign policy. Currently we cannot do that.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:39 PM

    I will not fight. Shove it.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:16 PM

    @Brian: people apply to join the army, Ireland doesn’t have conscription nor military service

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    Jun 19th 2023, 8:54 PM

    @Roj Blake:

    Ireland has the ‘poverty draw’.
    Similar to the USA

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:16 PM

    Watch out government. Tread carefully. A vote for FF, FG or the GP is a vote to push Ireland into NATO.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:23 PM

    @Ordinary Bloke: I don’t trust Sinn Féin either, they’re doing a lot of fence sitting on this.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:05 PM

    Please stop dribbling this claptrap.
    NO TO NATO.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:58 PM

    You know what guys… having read all these pro-NATO articles of late, and reading what the experts have to say, and what our politicians have to say – I’m actually beginning to see where they’re coming from. I’ve gone from being totally against joining NATO, to thinking maybe it’s not a bad idea after all. NOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTT! It’s STILL A NO!! YOUR ARTICLES ARE NOT WORKING!!

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    Jun 19th 2023, 6:56 PM

    On the one hand nations are being asked to spend trillions on Saving the planet & on the other hand we’re expect to pay billions just to screw it up with weapons!!

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:00 PM

    @Colette Kearns:

    2% of the GDP are the membership fee of NATO.

    So far the EU has blasted € 760 billion (!) on the war in Ukraine.
    Swiss Francs,Scandinavian Kronas and British pound not included.

    That is more than € 300,000 per citizen of Ukraine where the average wage is € 180.- month and women have to sell their children to wealthy (Irish!) human traffickers.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:34 PM

    @Juri Hertel: €760 billion from the EU to the war in Ukraine?? Where are you pulling this figure from? As of January of this year estimates are approx 55bn in total aid (to include humanitarian). Can I ask do you believe Ukraine should stop defending themselves and stop looking for the means to do so? If your family was being attacked would you simply sit back and accept it? Would you refuse help from others? It’s easy to pontificate when your not the one in the firing line. By the way I am no fan of NATO nor do I think Irelands interests are best served being a member of it.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 9:02 AM

    @Fran R:

    € 760 billion for the war in Ukraine from the Europe(EU) says Sepp in Singapore:

    twitter.com/MartinSonneborn/status/1665284079464374272?cxt=HHwWgICz6YLDo5wuAAAA

    Click onto the video, it has subtitles for those who can’t read.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:30 PM

    Why was the question of neutrality not in any of ffg election manifesto and secondly if your going to have a form at least have it with a balanced panel.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:02 PM

    @Robert Halvey:

    The Greens were against the US usage of Shannon Airport.

    …..

    Does this matter?

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:17 PM

    The only people talking about jointing Nato are the nut job commenters on websites like this.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:23 PM

    @Alan OConnor: the only people suggesting Ireland is about to join NATO are hard left nut jobs or old men who’ve lost control of their faculties

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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:31 PM

    It’s about trying to shove joining nato down people’s throat

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    Jun 19th 2023, 10:11 PM

    @john christopher:

    …. and the people’s money into Wall Street’s rectum.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:41 PM

    Michael Martin wants to obey American orders.

    Perhaps Irish people don’t want everlasting war!

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    Jun 20th 2023, 9:06 AM

    @Nestor:

    Well observed.
    Pentagon is permanently in war.The official war plan (“defense”) is to have 2 -3 permanent small wars in parallel to be prepared for the one big one.
    The US industry/billionaires can’t do without war, it is simple as that.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 2:58 PM

    @Juri Hertel: wars keep the money flowing to the American/ Israeli defence industries and arms manufacturers

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    Jun 20th 2023, 1:00 AM

    That’s what happens when you allow Central Europe to run your country and keep having referendums until you get bribed into giving the answers they want. They think you’ve lost your right to say no to NATO but I’m sure we’ve still got a voice!

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:43 PM

    If we want to remain a neutral country then at least we as a nation need to recognise that we should be able to defend ourselves as a sovereign nation. Switzerland is a goos example of this concept with well funded and resourced defence assets. Swiss citizens buy into this reality and are obliged to serve in their armed forces both full time and reserve in support of their neutrality. I think we as a nation need to understand this concept which does not mean joining NATO or any other military alliance.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:38 PM

    Being defenceless is not neutrality. We are not neutral as we have to rely on NATO to protect our seas / skys.

    Neutral countries can defend their nation.

    We need to invest in defence and pay our troops a decent wage. As a country we should stay non aligned but currently drug planes fly into the country and.we hope the UK tells.us about the flights.

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    Mute Juri Hertel
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    Jun 19th 2023, 9:30 PM

    THE CABLES! THE CABLES WE HAVE TO PROTECT ….

    montelnews.com/news/1505878/more-heatwaves-to-affect-eu-energy-system–scientists

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    Jun 19th 2023, 7:58 PM

    Roj Blake. Gee thanks. I thought was just a citizen of this country.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 10:23 PM

    I don’t have a firm opinion here. What does “neutral” mean? Peace keeping that is specifically non-aggressive? I’m all for that, plus I have a hard time with aligning ourselves with the UK and/or the USA (both have horrific histories of nearly unending war, much of it aggressive. For example, the UK over the years has been involved in conflicts in 90% of current UN countries. Look it up.) but much less so when it comes to EU obligations. The big question for me is are we strong enough to defend ourselves without reliance on the EU, USA, and EU? Is Russia still prowling our skies and oceans? Do we expect a non-quid for quo arrangement? Deep waters.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 10:31 PM

    Are we bright enough to keep peace?

    Learn to ask the relevant questions.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:46 PM

    @Quinn: I don’t think we should join NATO. I would give considerations to a common EU Defence. I think we need to invest more in the DF. Better pay, a small but modern airforce. Naval vessels of a different design, primary military rader etc. Russia wouldn’t have the logistics to send a large scale force to Ireland, for whatever reason, but we should be equipped enough to deter Russian aircraft / Navy from exploiting our complete lack of ability to even monitor activity in our surroundings.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:51 PM

    Neutrality in a world where wars are fought in cyber and microbiology theatres rather than land, sea or air based confrontations is irrelevant.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 9:05 AM

    We should not be in NATO. NATO has been converted from its initial cold war alliance to now an expansionist warmongering power grab. Why was Japan involved in the recent exercises?

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    Jun 20th 2023, 9:11 AM

    @T Doyle:

    Japan’s mafia follows the money.
    Sepp from the EU here live recorded in Singapore trying to lure the Asian mafia into war:

    twitter.com/MartinSonneborn/status/1665284079464374272?cxt=HHwWgICz6YLDo5wuAAAA

    Always follow the money.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 6:57 AM

    Ireland should join NATO. We need to be bombing Russia. Sending our male population to die in trenchwarfare in Belarus. Droning family weddings in Libya. Anything to bring progressive values to the remainder of the non-progressive world. It is for the greater good.

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    Jun 19th 2023, 11:39 PM

    What is the cost

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    Jun 20th 2023, 9:08 AM

    @trebloc01:

    NATO membership fee is 2% of the GDP.

    € 760 billion the EU has spent on the war in Ukraine says the EU, watch the video with Sepp trying to lure Taiwan/Asia into war/

    twitter.com/MartinSonneborn/status/1665284079464374272?cxt=HHwWgICz6YLDo5wuAAAA

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    Jun 20th 2023, 10:44 AM

    The Triple Lock, which gives the US, the UK, France, Russia and China control over our foreign policy, is not befitting of a sovereign nation and obviously needs to go.
    Otherwise I doubt there will be any substantive changes.
    I suspect that this is mainly an opportunity for Martin to canvas for a high level EU job.

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    Jun 20th 2023, 11:04 AM

    @Tony Maher:

    YOUR foreign policy?!

    Can I have the bill please?

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    Jun 20th 2023, 5:34 PM

    It is a stacked deck and the people of Ireland don’t want to pay

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