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As it happened: Senior RTÉ execs appear before Oireachtas Media Committee over payments controversy

Four members of RTÉ’s Executive Board faced questions at the Oireachtas Media Committee this afternoon.

LAST UPDATE | 28 Jun 2023

RTÉ EXECUTIVES HAVE appeared before the Oireachtas Media Committee this afternoon to face questions over undisclosed payments worth €345,000 being paid to Ryan Tubridy. 

Four members of the broadcaster’s Executive Board attended the Oireachtas Media Committee this afternoon, while other RTÉ representatives will appear before the Public Accounts Committee tomorrow morning at 9.30am.

TDs and Senators on the committees are seeking answers from the broadcaster over who initiated the arrangement between Tubridy and Renault, who signed off on the payments, and why they were never disclosed to the public.

The Public Accounts Committee has also been coordinating with the Committee on Parliamentary Privileges and Oversight to seek an extension of its remit, which would give it additional powers to examine RTÉ’s accounts. 

This evening, a motion will come before the Dáil to allow the committee to examine RTÉ’s accounts from 2017 to the present. 

It comes after a nine-page statement was released yesterday evening by the Interim Deputy Director-General Adrian Lynch, in which the broadcaster attempted to explain the timeline leading to its underreporting of the payments.

The statement excused Tubridy of any wrongdoing and said, based on the Grant Thornton findings, “there was no illegality and payments were made pursuant to an agreed contract”.

The review also found that part of the issue related to payments to the RTÉ Barter Account, which deals with payments through an intermediary company.

Good morning – Jane Moore here. 

A week after RTÉ announced that it publicly understated Ryan Tubridy’s earnings by €345,000 since 2017, seven senior executives from the broadcaster’s board will come before an Oireachtas committee to face questions on the matter this afternoon. 

RTÉ Board chairperson Siún Ní Raghallaigh and board members Anne O’Leary and Robert Shortt will attend the Oireachtas Media Committee at 1.30pm. 

Also in attendance will be Adrian Lynch, the interim deputy director general, director of strategy Rory Coveney, director of commercial Geraldine O’Leary and chief financial officer Richard Collins.

I’ll be bringing you all of the latest updates as they happen. 

Tubridy’s contract ‘has come to an end’

Ryan Tubridy Late Late 010 Ryan Tubridy pictured on the series finale of The Late Late Show. Andres Poveda / RollingNews.ie Andres Poveda / RollingNews.ie / RollingNews.ie

Ahead of this afternoon’s committee, RTÉ has issued a statement to say that Ryan Tubridy’s contract has “come to an end” following his decision to step back from The Late Late Show. 

The national broadcaster also stated that negotiations around his radio show contract have been paused amid the ongoing controversy surrounding the undisclosed payments.

“RTÉ has written to his agent that the contract (including all arrangements therein) has come to an end,” the statement reads.

Negotiations had commenced regarding his radio responsibilities. Those negotiations have been paused as with all negotiations as per Board statement.

As we mentioned previously, the Public Accounts Committee, which will question RTÉ representatives tomorrow, have been coordinating with the Committee on Parliamentary Privileges and Oversight in an effort to allow it to examine RTÉ’s accounts. 

The Committee on Parliamentary Privileges and Oversight, which also acts as the Committee on Remit Oversight, is a cross-party committee that adjudicates on these matters.

The remit of the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) is limited to the accounts that are audited by the Comptroller and Auditor General, which does not include RTÉ.

However, the extension of its remit would allow the committee to examine RTÉ’s accounts.

The Journal reported on Monday that the motion would be before the Dáil today.

Speaking on RTÉ’s Today with Claire Byrne this morning, Sinn Féin TD Pádraig Mac Lochlainn confirmed that the motion would go before the Dáil this evening.

“The Committee on Remit Oversight, which is a cross-party Oireachtas committee that adjudicates on these requests, and our committee have agreed that a motion will go before the Dáil this evening permitting the PAC to look at all of this with a number of conditions,” he said.

The conditions include that the PAC will look at RTÉ’s accounts from 2017 to date, that there would be a completion of their work as a committee by 31 December this year, and that they will bring a report before the Dáil.

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn also told RTÉ’s Today with Claire Byrne that he believes it is a fair and reasonable request that the fee being paid to new Late Late Show presenter Patrick Kielty be made public. 

“I think it would be absolutely untenable to not bring that information into the public domain,” the Sinn Féin TD said.

“I think there’s a culture in the higher echelons of many organisations, but whatever about the private sector, it’s unacceptable in the public sector, to have this type of an approach. This sort of sense of entitlement where you can make obscure arrangements around payments.

“And I think people are outraged about that. I think the good people, the decent people, the vast majority of people in RTÉ, who believe in public broadcasting, who carry themselves with the utmost integrity and fairness and balance, they feel utterly let down and betrayed here.

“So we owe it to them to reinstate the good reputation of public service broadcasting in this country, to get to the bottom of all this and make sure it never happens again.”

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said the government “do not believe it is credible that former DG, Dee Forbes, was the only person with knowledge of these events”.

The Taoiseach added that the the government expect “nothing but full and open transparency” from RTÉ management at Oireachtas committees today and tomorrow.

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar also stated that RTÉ said the further Grant Thornton review – which is examining payments made to Ryan Tubridy between 2017-2019 – will be concluded within four weeks. 

“We do not believe that that timeline is satisfactory and have asked that the report be provided more quickly than that, and [Minister Catherine Martin] is engaging with RTÉ in that regard,” he told the Dáil during Leaders’ Questions today. 

The Fórsa trade union has expressed deep concern at the recent events in RTÉ and said it fully endorsed the call by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions on the board and senior management of the public service broadcaster to make the restoration of public trust a key priority.

Following a meeting of the union’s National Executive in Dublin today, Fórsa general secretary and president of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions Kevin Callinan said a restoration of trust could only be achieved through a full explanation by management which clarifies completely who was responsible.

“Public service broadcasting is vital to the functioning of a healthy democracy and the current crisis threatens to undermine trust and confidence in the organisation and puts at risk the reputation of the many staff who have had no involvement with this debacle and remain committed to the highest standards of public service,” Callinan said.

Fórsa said it supports the RTÉ Trade Union Group and shares the frustration of RTÉ workers who took pay cuts in the recent past to secure the future of the organisation.

It also welcomed the review announced by Minister Catherine Martin into the culture within RTÉ, but urged that it be fully transparent and provide for the interests of RTÉ workers to be represented by their trade unions.

Media Committee begins

The Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport and Media is underway. 

Niamh Smyth, the chair of the committee, has said that committee member Chris Andrews of Sinn Féin has “a material interest” in today’s session. John Brady is taking his place.

Siún Ní Raghallaigh, the chair of the RTÉ Board, is about to give her opening statement. 

Siún Ní Raghallaigh has apologised to the public over the “breach of trust” caused by the payments. 

“We know that our bond of trust with the public is tarnished,” she said. 

She said RTÉ will work “step-by-step” to rebuild that trust. 

“We are committed to providing you with as much detail as possible and we wish to be as open and frank as we can.”

Ní Raghallaigh said Tubridy’s earnings were correctly accounted for in the RTÉ accounts and the earnings he received were what he was contractually entitled to. 

“In addition, for the record, I want to confirm that he did not receive an exit fee,” she added.

Sinn Féin TD Imelda Munster is the first member of the committee to ask questions.

She says the idea that Dee Forbes is the only person who knew everything about the payments is not credible.

“The public wouldn’t swallow it and neither will we,” she said.

Munster asks RTÉ commercial director Geraldine O’Leary if she agreed with Tubridy’s agent that he should be paid through the barter account. 

O’Leary says she was asked by former director general Dee Forbes to do so. She says she was “advised by the DG that there was pressure” to settle Tubridy’s €75,000 fee each year, and to deal with NK Management about settling it.

Munster then asked if it was O’Leary who instructed that the payments be issued as ‘consultancy fees’.

O’Leary answers that she can’t answer “because I cannot remember the precise detail”. 

Imelda Munster then asks chief financial officer Richard Collins why he did not question the issuing of the payments as consultancy fees. 

Collins says he wasn’t aware of what they were and was not in control of the barter account, as it came under the control of commercial. 

“Ah, would you stop,” is Munster’s response. 

Fianna Fáil Senator Shane Cassells is next up. He asks deputy director general Adrian Lynch: “How did you let one man become bigger than RTÉ?”

Lynch says a guarantee was verbally given in relation to the fact that if the sponsor – Renault – fell out, RTÉ would pay Ryan Tubridy.

“That is the significant thing at the centre of this. In that instance and when that did occur, RTÉ should have declared Ryan Tubridy’s earnings,” he says. 

Lynch says that RTÉ “should never underwrite a commercial agreement, and in relation to the talent, to say that they will pay out of public funds to that talent”.

“That is what then led to incorrect figures being published, completely lacking transparency and a complete breach of corporate governance,” he says.

Cassells asks: “Can you guarantee me that you were never part of a chat, a verbal exchange, a chat in the corridor with Dee Forbes or others, regarding this side deal that allows Ryan Tubridy’s sponsorship deal to be underwritten by RTÉ?”

“100%,” Lynch responds. 

Adrian Lynch says that for editorial reasons, it is not possible for Ryan Tubridy to be on air at the moment. 

Asked if he envisages Tubridy being back on air in the long-term, Lynch gives the same answer. 

Screenshot (298) Independent TD Mattie McGrath. Oireachtas TV Oireachtas TV

Independent TD Mattie McGrath asks Siún Ní Raghallaigh why she accepted Dee Forbes’ resignation. 

Raghallaigh says she received Forbes’ resignation at the same time that it was made public.

McGrath states that the board could have refused Forbes’ resignation in order to complete an investigative process.

“That was the decision that was taken by the board,” says Ní Raghallaigh.

“It was a disastrous decision,” McGrath responds.

“Putin wouldn’t get away with some of the tricks you got away with, and I hate to use that parlance,” McGrath says. 

Committee chair Niamh Smyth asks him to stay on topic, after he accuses RTÉ of “promoting” the Covid-19 pandemic.

Earlier on, RTÉ chief financial officer Richard Collins said the mis-stated fees for Ryan Tubridy between 2017-2019 relate to a loyalty bonus he was owed, which was credited against his earnings.

Sinn Féin TD Imelda Munster asked Collins about the €120,000 of previously undisclosed payments from RTÉ to Tubridy between 2017-2019.

Collins said: “This was an adjustment that was made to the figures.

“Basically, in short, Ryan Tubridy was due a loyalty bonus at the end of his contract of €120,000. That was never paid, was never accrued from the accounts, but for an unexplained reason that 120,000 was credited against his earnings between 2017 and 2019.

“That’s under investigation at the moment by Grant Thornton.”

He said this was signed off by former director general Dee Forbes and the CFO at the time.

Screenshot (299) Labour Senator Marie Sherlock. Oireachtas TV Oireachtas TV

Labour Senator Marie Sherlock asks the board if they are aware of any other “top-up” payments with any other high-earner at RTÉ, similar to those received by Ryan Tubridy.

All of the representatives say they are not.

Marie Sherlock asks chief financial officer Richard Collins if anyone else at RTÉ has a clause in their contract for an end-of-contract payment. 

He says he believes there have been some in the past, but he is certainly not aware of any at the moment. 

Screenshot (300) RTÉ Board chair Siún Ní Raghallaigh. Oireachtas TV Oireachtas TV

Asked if she accepts that she is providing over a “dysfunctional executive”, Siún Ní Raghallaigh says there is “very much a cultural issue within the organisation”.

“You can see it. This is why we’re here. It’s a culture that’s in here that accepts that ‘well, that’s approved by the DG so I’m not going to talk about it’. I think people here would agree now that that’s wrong.

“For me, I’m only there seven months but for me, that was the shocking part of it as well, that there wasn’t the conversations that we all would assume would happen.”

Asked about the business model at RTÉ and the national broadcaster paying “enormous sums” to a small number of presenters, Ní Raghallaigh says she “absolutely believes” it’s something the board has to look at.

“I would argue that RTÉ is sometimes bidding against itself, because there isn’t a market there,” she says.

She adds that it’s something she has discussed with the incoming director general Kevin Bakhurst, “along with the issue of agents”. 

Robert Shortt, RTÉ economics correspondent and staff representative on the broadcaster’s board, told the committee of the challenge in rebuilding trust in the organisation.

“Many of my colleagues have spoken far more eloquently than I could about the anger that they felt,” he said.

“We also had the protests yesterday, but my colleagues are also acutely aware of the need to keep doing their jobs, and they’re committed to keep doing their jobs. I think that’s going to be a key part of rebuilding trust in RTÉ.”

Labour senator Marie Sherlock pressed ÉTE commercial director Geraldine O’Leary on the two €75,000 invoices paid out to Tubridy’s agent in 2022 and queried why she had not asked questions about the transactions.

“I’m not normally somebody who raises invoices, that’s not part of what I do,” she replied.

“So, this was an unusual situation where I was asked by the director general to raise invoices or to advise my assistant to raise invoices for NKM (management company).”

She added: “The way I understood it at the time was that there was no budget, the director general didn’t have a budget at her disposal and she asked me to use the barter account.”

Following a five-minute break, Fine Gael TD Alan Dillon is now asking questions of the RTÉ representatives. 

Asked what sort of pressure was placed on her by Dee Forbes, Geraldine O’Leary says: “I was not across any commercial deals in 2021 and 2022, and in 2021, the director general spoke to me on a number of occasions about whether there was another commercial deal that could be done, and my answer was no.

“I was very conscious that the first deal still hadn’t been delivered. So the answer was no.”

She added: ”I had no reason to doubt the DG’s intention when she asked me to raise the invoices on the barter account.” 

Sinn Féin Senator Fintan Warfield questions whether the top 100 salaries in RTÉ can be published rather than the top 10. 

Adrian Lynch says the suggestion is “noted”. 

Fintan Warfield then asks how many journalists and presenters at RTÉ are given free cars.

Geraldine O’Leary says she is “not across any deals between customers and talent”, adding that any deals done for cars are usually done through an agent or the talent themselves.

Adrian Lynch says that he is “pretty confident” that no RTÉ journalist has a deal with a car brand.

Adrian Lynch tells Independent TD Peter Fitzpatrick that Ryan Tubridy is being paid while his contract talks are on hold.

“If you’re saying Ryan Tubridy did nothing wrong, why not put him back on the air?” Fitzpatrick asks, adding that it is costing taxpayers money. 

Lynch later clarifies to Sinn Féin TD John Brady that the contract Tubridy was on, for both his TV and radio roles, concluded on 31 May. 

John Brady asks chief financial officer Richard Collins why the barter account was brought onto the RTÉ balance sheet and whether he had concerns about how it was being used. 

Collins says: “Not concerns about how it was being used, but I had some concerns about how it was being accounted for.”

He says it wasn’t good accounting practice to have an RTÉ bank account sitting outside of the account.

He says one of the reasons he wanted to bring it onto the balance sheet was because there was “quite a lot of activity in it in 2019″.

Geraldine O’Leary clarifies that there were three transactions in the account in 2020 and 11 in 2021. 

Brady requests that a ten year record of the barter account be published.

John Brady then asks if there is writing to underpin the commitment by RTÉ to underwrite the €75,000 Renault payments.

Adrian Lynch says it was a verbal agreement given by former director general Dee Forbes to Noel Kelly, Tubridy’s agent. 

“When I was reviewing the files, in one of the contracts that were returned, I think it was one of the draft contracts, there was a letter attached to the back – I think it was from Noel Kelly’s office for Dee Forbes to sign  – which was a written version of this guarantee,” he continues. 

Screenshot (304) Fianna Fáil Senator Malcolm Byrne. Oireachtas TV Oireachtas TV

Fianna Fáil Senator Malcolm Byrne asks how many people in RTÉ are represented by Noel Kelly. 

Adrian Lynch says four or five. 

Byrne asks who is in the room when Ryan Tubridy’s contract is being negotiated. Lynch says that the chief financial officer at the time, someone from legal and Noel Kelly would be there, adding that the director general attended some meetings.

Lynch says he became aware of the verbal agreement to underwrite the deal between Tubridy and Renault “literally this week at like 3am on a Monday” after going to look for the physical agreement underwriting it “and I didn’t find one”. 

This was when he discovered that the agreement was given verbally on a Teams call, he says.

Malcolm Byrne asks if RTÉ will publish a register of interests, the arrangement that Patrick Kielty has entered into for hosting the Late Late Show, and whether the board believes that anyone working at RTÉ should be paid more than the Taoiseach. 

Adrian Lynch says that the register of interests will be considered and that, if Patrick Kielty is not opposed to it, they will publish his arrangement. 

Beginning his questioning, Fine Gael TD Brendan Griffin asks about the timing of the internal review flagging concerns. Deloitte flagged the issue on 17 March, the day after Ryan Tubridy announced that he was stepping down from The Late Late Show. 

Adrian Lynch says Tubridy would not have known about the audit flagging the transactions when he made his announcement.

“When it was discovered… by the auditors that there was something unusual going on, that was the beginning of a process. So Ryan Tubridy wouldn’t have been aware that the invoices – which were lawful, by the way, from his point of view – had been discovered,” he says.

Brendan Griffin asks Siún Ní Raghallaigh why she accepted Dee Forbes’ resignation. 

Ní Raghallaigh says Forbes still has the option to come before the Public Accounts Committee to answer questions. 

Ní Raghallaigh also says that she asked Forbes to resign on 16 June – almost a week before the controversy became public. 

Brendan Griffin asks Siún Ní Raghallaigh whether she accepts that it was a “monumental error” to accept Dee Forbes’ resignation. 

The chair of the RTÉ Board says she stands over the decision. 

As the committee begins to draw to a close, chair of the committee Niamh Smyth asks who negotiated Patrick Kielty’s contract to present The Late Late Show. 

Richard Collins says he negotiated it. 

Smyth asks if he has made the board aware of what that deal is.

He says he has made Siún Ní Raghallaigh aware, who says the contract still has to come before the remuneration committee, which meets on Friday. 

Adrian Lynch says making Patrick Kielty’s contract public will “depend on the other party” – meaning Kielty himself, but that it will be published if he is satisfied. 

Niamh Smyth says she finds it “extraordinary” that no one on the board can answer how many people at RTÉ are represented by NK Management. 

Rory Coveney says he doesn’t know exactly, but “it’s fair to say it’s a considerable number”.

Geraldine O’Leary says it is “definitely double figures”. 

Adrian Lynch says it is probably “10 or 11″ people in RTÉ. He adds that that information will be provided “immediately” after the committee. 

Politicians who are not members of the committee are now being given the opportunity to ask questions. 

Independent TD Michael McNamara asks how much money RTÉ has paid to Revenue over “bogus self employment”.

Richard Collins says €1.2 million has been paid. 

McNamara asks how RTÉ determines the worth of a presenter. “It’s very clear in Ireland that your commercial rivals are not going to pay anything like the sums that you are paying people,” he says. 

Adrian Lynch says the market has changed significantly in the last five years. 

He says salaries of top talent has come down by 40% over the last ten years, which has been driven by how media is consumed. 

Asked how they justify paying more to presenters than other commercial rivals could, Lynch says it comes down to the individual and whether they are able to compete in an international marketplace. 

Richard Collins now tells the committee that Deloitte flagged the issue of the payments with him in “early March”, but the issue wasn’t investigated at that point. 

“The director general was spoken to and I was spoken to,” Collins tells Brendan Griffin. 

Brendan Griffin asks if Dee Forbes could have contacted Ryan Tubridy before 16 March. Collins says he doesn’t know. 

“Well we’ll never know that I suppose, will we?” Griffin responds. 

In a slight segue, the RTÉ reps are now being quizzed about the controversial Toy Show musical.

The show was staged at the Convention Centre last Christmas but was criticised for being a financially unsound endeavour.

TD Niamh Smyth says it’s not acceptable for the reps not to divulge how much the production cost due to commercial reasons.

People Before Profit’s Richard Boyd Barrett is now questioning the RTE reps.

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He asks whether pay cuts within the broadcaster were flatly rejected by those represented by the PR agency NK Management.

Adrian Lynch responds that the payments were not declared in the way they should have been.

Boyd Barrett says: “I don’t like that expression, ‘the talent’ … who are ‘the talent’?”

He also criticises the practice of contracting presenters in, rather than employing them as regular staff.

In a concluding question, Mattie McGrath is asking how the RTÉ board can justify having staff on zero-hour contracts while others are having their pay topped up.

Lynch says everyone in RTÉ is on an “employment contract” with the same terms and conditions as anyone else.

Committee chair Niamh Smyth has wrapped up the meeting by saying that Tubridy and his management will be asked to go before the committee.

The meeting has raised nearly as many questions as it answered – keep an eye on our website for further developments.

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    Mute Silverharp Harp
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:12 PM

    The Safefood doctor made a gaff (imo) on RTE this morning , she suggested that parents should be buying low fat alternatives, the problem is low fat food tends to have more sugar so is worse then having real thing depending what the food is.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:23 PM

    Yeah your right, my mother is type 1 diabetic and she can’t use low fat products as the send her blood sugar level high.
    Low fat is generally more processed making it unhealthier.
    What hope do we have when the “experts” give out bad advice.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:35 PM

    indeed, the good lady could be parroting stuff she learned 20 years ago in medical school. Or being a quango is limited in which parts of the food business she can critical of. Anyone who’s diet consists of low fat milk, Special K (low fat) has lunch made with Brennan’s bread (non fat) and has a bowel of pasta (again non fat) , will most likely be hungry all the time and will be unable to control their eating.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:07 PM

    I’m curious about this.

    I just compared a low fat and full fat milk in the fridge and they have the exact same grams of sugar. The low fat is slightly higher in protein and has 2 grams less fat.

    Where is the evidence for this coming from?

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:17 PM

    That’s lactose. It’s a naturally occur non processed sugar. It’s not bad for you unless you’re lactose intolerant.

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    Oct 22nd 2013, 12:15 AM
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:51 PM

    The whole problem here is education in regards to food. People think ( as has already been stated) that low fat foods are good for you when in fact they are full of sugar and other useless crap. The most important meal of the day being breakfast, has been high jacked by Kellogg’s where they have successfully lobbied in the states to have the inclusion of cereals at the bottom of the food pyramid making them the ‘best’ source for breakfast. Nobody really ever questions this do they? You then have the likes of coco pops and rice crispies for breakfast ‘fortified with vitamins’ of course but also fortified with sugar and other crap. From the moment we wake up the majority of kids and indeed Adults are filling themselves with carbs which they will not burn resulting in weight gain. Sugar is the problem here not necessarily the fat.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:43 PM

    well said , I reckon Kellogs will have the reputation of Philip Morris in due course, evil evil company

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:44 PM

    Is the breakfast is the most important meal of the day not a kellogs myth as well?

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:56 PM

    The most important meal of the day being breakfast, has been high jacked by Kellogg’s where they have successfully lobbied in the states to have the inclusion of cereals at the bottom of the food pyramid ”
    – I think that’s the FDA pyramid .
    Here is Harvard Health school pyramid – one can use Museli etc for breakfast . Surprise is whetre potatoes are – fast release sugar – I think .
    http://www.google.ie/imgres?sa=X&biw=1440&bih=692&tbm=isch&tbnid=3FbQVsQzQ0CKcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.fitnessintraining.com/harvardfoodpyramid.htm&docid=Mbg1PjIiETsmnM&imgurl=http://www.fitnessintraining.com/Harvard%252520Food%252520Pryamid%252520-%2525202.10.04.jpg&w=727&h=497&ei=80tlUsThKajF7AaPwIHIDw&zoom=1

    Underlying all is Exercise where most could improve .

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    Oct 21st 2013, 6:27 PM

    Would make you question all of the FDAs decisions

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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:22 PM

    The Food Pyramid was created by the USDA – the United States Department of Agriculture. Their primary function is to sell massive amounts of subsidised corn, wheat and soy. It’s hardly a coincidence that their “healthy eating guidelines” push these very same products.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:32 PM

    I remember reading that Archer Daniels the monster food processing company (known for its corn syrup) sponsors the universities where the FDA expertise derives from. You couldnt make this stuff up. The irish food pyramid looks like a foods processors shopping window. Also I believe modern wheat is more damaging to health so between it and sugar being the basic input for a lot of food no wonder there are increased eating problems now

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:26 PM

    Let’s face it the kids who are over weight are the ones sitting in their bedrooms stuffing their faces while playing PS3 all day. Their parents need to cop on and give them a kick in the arse and get them outdoors. Also school canteens don’t help. I’m my daughter’s school the canteen serves pizza, chips and sausage rolls instead of fresh fruit and veg…

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:49 PM

    Start by taxing sugar and sugary products. I have said this here before, when we have 23% vat on insulin and 0% on sugar then we have to know something is very wrong.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:06 PM

    There are a number of portly folk around and it is due to lack of exercise other than pro create, but the junk that passes as food is no addition either,

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:42 PM

    Mmmm..Burger King…mmmm
    That aside. Simple as this Fat Kids are fed by adults.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:01 PM

    This comes as no surprise to me. I coach athletics to kids weekly aged 5 up to age 18. To encourage other kids to participate in athletics I go to my kids school and take them for PE for a few weeks for cross country running. It is very sad to see children age 8 to 13 who have not mastered the skill of basic movement. There are large numbers of children both fat and thin who cannot physically move correctly because they have never moved enough for their body to become efficient at it. This is the Parents fault. It’s not diet related, it’s not hormone related, it’s not because the kids are lazy. It’s because parents are lazy. If I can get 120 kids to train for cross country. A hard, thankless, mucky part of athletics and they enjoy it while having a bit of banter, believe me it’s not the kids that are at fault. Kids need 1hr of activiety a day. Walking just over 1mile to school and the return journey everyday would cover it, but it’s easier to stay in bed that extra 30mins and drive the kids to school. And then let them play the Xbox after school rather than engage them with an activity that involves their whole body moving.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 5:57 PM

    You are so right. In all your points. The problem? We are too politically correct to say that outright to the parents at fault and no politician looking for election will ever say that. I mean look at our past and preset health ministers; 3 obese ministers for health in a decade. Hardly leading by example

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    Mute James P. Sullivan
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    Oct 21st 2013, 11:07 PM

    I couldn’t agree more. It really scares me when I see young boys with no muscle tone and rubbery arms everywhere. Or girls with beer bellies. Lack of muscle tone is just as dangerous as obesity. I was on the beach last summer when I saw groups of boys everywhere and they all looked flabbier than my 80 year old father. And these were teenagers. WTF??? I’ve seen hordes of girls where not a single one of them had a figure. Do they not exercise at all anymore? Why has nobody declared a national emergency about this?

    Then there’s the issue of finding healthy food in Dublin for under 7 euros. All there is is Spar/Centra, Burger King/Mickey D’s or fish and chips. No wonder the kids are all fat. I even know fat kids who can’t eat a vegetable. Seriously, they think vegetables are poisonous or something but have no problem with 2 liters of Diet Coke.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:40 PM

    Start by changing the GDA’s
    They’re not at all accurate,
    I don’t know many people active enough to burn 2,000 calories a day.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:43 PM

    Agree at 100%. I think its actually 2500 for men! People needs to stop the stupids diets and clearly change their lifestyle. But stupidity and lazyness dont help…

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:52 PM

    Sitting having a chat with a rather large American lady in Dublin airport. Talking about famous Irish people. “Do you know who I bumped into this morning” siz she…. ” Who” siz I…. “Everybody” siz she!!!!

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    Mute Rayne Brogan
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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:59 PM

    I think learning your BMR is far more important.

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    Mute Steve Burton
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:32 PM

    Is that really a surprise for a country where chips are the side dish to everything, even to chips, and a good asian mail is considdered to be chips with curry sauce!

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:26 PM

    Ireland and the USA also have very low breastfeeding rates, the rates of exclusive breastfeeding are even lower and the % of mums still breastfeeding at 6 months is almost non existent.
    Why do people not see the connection, why do our health professionals seem to ignore all of the evidence and research which proves breastfeeding reduces the chances of becoming over weight or obese in later life?

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    Mute Mary Crimmins
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:08 PM

    Reference please.

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    Mute Rkmr
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:42 PM

    Even without all the research is it not just logical to see that the type and amount of food our babies are fed first will have an impact on their general health and impact risk factors for obesity??

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    Mute Ted Carroll
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:52 PM

    Sounds like another great excuse for people to make. I just hope it doesn’t get as far as some overweight person taking their mother to court in their mid thirties because they’re overweight and weren’t breastfed. Like everything else it might play some part in the cycle but I don’t think it’s the key factor. People are lazy and people tend to overeat for a myriad of different reasons, when the parents do this the kids are very likely to follow this same example and routines like this are hard to escape!

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    Mute karla carroll
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:57 PM

    Wonder if any of the kids born in the 1930s / 1940s have weight issues. I believe they lived on rations and were most probably breast fed.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:17 PM

    Just seen this http://books.google.ie/books?id=lXa7m8wG84MC&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=breastfeeding+rates+ireland+1930s&source=bl&ots=gqbi67J9Ne&sig=L1mgDcXU8_783kklxpXy_1i2sU8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=8ENlUrz7McT17AbJ7IGACw&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg

    My father was born in early 50s he has 2 older siblings, none of them were breastfed. I asked my gran why she didn’t, she said it wasn’t something that was done there was huge stigma attached, it was frowned upon by the church and she had 2 businesses and a farm to run. When my mother had my brother in early 70s she breastfed, she was only allowed feed in bedroom as she lived with my fathers parents, she also had a health nurse come and give vitamin drops to him only because he was solely breastfed. So I think the rates of breastfeeding back then were, surprisingly, quite low

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:18 PM

    I’d say the corollary here is more down to education. Educated mums are more likely to breastfeed in the first place, and thereafter are more likely to be aware of and provide a healthy diet.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:25 PM

    Pretty sure all the studies I have listed have taken factors like that into account and adjusted for it.
    Wouldn’t be great research if they didn’t.
    I would say that my diet was good, when I got pregnant it improved hugely and while breastfeeding it improved even more, so if we could support women better they may breastfeed or breastfeed for longer and then hopefully this would have a knock on effect on the quality of their general diet.

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    Mute Jane Travers
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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:41 PM

    Good point, Rkmr

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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:39 PM

    Rkmr. Because there is no connection. I didn’t breast feed any of my children and they’re all normal healthy weights. It’s about eating healthily and exercising and education. Typical of the breast feeding brigade looking down their noses at everyone else!

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    Oct 21st 2013, 8:03 PM

    Una there is quite a large body of research showing that it does reduce the risk, does that mean if you breastfeed your child will never be overweight? Of course not, just because you formula feed does not mean your child will be overweight. There are many other factors to obesity, but breastfeeding has been shown to reduce the risk, I’m not saying it to make anybody feel bad it’s just the truth. Lots of babies do well on formula and it’s great women have that option if that’s what they choose. I’m sorry you seem to have taken my comments badly but I don’t look down my nose on anybody.

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    Oct 22nd 2013, 5:01 AM

    Im with you on that one. I sense a bit of “lets blame the mother” here

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:47 PM

    Solution for overweight people who shy away from losing weight because they like eating loads. I too like eating. I am very active and into exercise, and as a result must take in 3000+ calories a day. If I dont, I drop weight at the rate of about 4 pounds a week. Its all about finding an activity you enjoy doing and will stick at.

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    Mute Joanna Lynch
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:55 PM

    That’s my point Shane, everyone is different.
    People think they’re on a diet, but if they’re not losing weight than they’re not in calorie deficit, which will be a different amount for each individual.
    I’m moderately active but if I ate 2,000 calories even a few days in the week I’d gain weight.

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    Mute BlueSkyThinking
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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:38 PM

    That’s right if your under 26 Shane. But as you age your body stops producing HGH hormones in your mid 20′s and it won’t matter how much you exercise, if your diet is bad you will gain weight.

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    Mute Joe Bet
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:38 PM

    Too many fatties, cull them and feed the 3rd world

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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:12 PM

    I suggest getting the myfitness pal app. Its fantastic. Buy a decent bicycle if you can afford it under the bike to work scheme. Ditch the car unless essential. Weigh yourself every day.

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    Mute Tommy C
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:19 PM

    Don’t weigh yourself everyday! If your clothes feel tight or you can only fit into tracksuits then worry.

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    Mute Tracey Fagan
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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:09 PM

    When will people start using the word Fat around their children. Instead of big boned or cute or sure he will grow out of it.. shame on parents in this country, you are the one’s buying all the crap that is making your children FAT..

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:04 PM

    Went to Burger King last week to order a regular meal and was told they only sell the large meals that if I wanted a regular size burger fries and coke I would have to order them separately and they would end up costing more than the large meal what a joke thanks Burger King this certainly doesn’t help with the obesity problem in Ireland

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    Mute Ted Carroll
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:27 PM

    It doesn’t specifically hurt either though in fairness, if the argument put forward by people is that they’re putting on weight because BK only sell large meals I think we’re completely screwed. The amount of food you purchase doesn’t actually impact on how much you weigh.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:55 PM

    yea, jeez, imagine that, people being forced to overeat because burger king doesn’t do small meals. we’re surely all doomed for obesity, there are obviously no alternatives or way outs from this oppressive state of affairs.

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    Mute yoman
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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:42 PM

    Watch food inc and you will get the anwers to your questions.i am very worried for the futur generations.

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    Mute Jenny Conlon
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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:01 PM

    It’s all sugar. Fat does not make you fat, sugar does. And it’s hidden in most foods so nobody actually knows what they’re eating anymore. If you see anything that is 0% fat, that just means that they took out the fat and added sugar. Anything low fat means the same. Full fat milk, butter and anything else all the way. Sugar does not tell your body that you’re full, fat does.Fruit also has a lot of sugar so eat that in moderation. It’s all a money making racket. Go back to what your parents used to eat, nobody was fat then! Processed foods are making people fat.

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    Mute Sandra Turner
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    Oct 21st 2013, 8:05 PM

    I’ve been on a fat free diet since 8th September whilst waiting on gallbladder surgery and also post surgery. I’ve lost over a stone. I haven’t been able to exercise due to the pain and recovery post surgery. I’ve stuck to it completely in accordance with doctors orders and am including a portion of wholemeal bread and a portion of fat free milk in my diet every day. I eat a balanced meal at each sitting which includes at least 1/3 fruit/vegetables and I don’t use any oils when cooking. Any sauces I have are made front scratch and have no fat. Fat free and low fat doesn’t need to be processed shite!

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    Mute Sarah Clifford
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    Oct 22nd 2013, 7:25 AM

    I hate to tell you this but your hi carb lo fat diet has been proven to be ineffective for long term weight loss. And as for wholemeal bread?????

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    Oct 22nd 2013, 7:35 AM

    one portion of wholemeal bread does not a high carb diet make! I eat it for the fibre as it is recommended that you avoid constipation after the surgery. I eat lean protein, fruit and vegetables and fat free dairy. Also the diet is not aimed at long term weight loss, it’s aim is to train my liver to take over the role of the gallbladder.

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    Mute Sarah Clifford
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    Oct 22nd 2013, 12:39 PM

    Why dont you google whether or not whole meal bread is good for you. Just saying.

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    Mute Tequila Gold
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:13 PM

    Yeah lots of fat people around including kids. Nit good!

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    Mute Ryon
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    Oct 21st 2013, 5:16 PM

    5 a day. 2000 calories a day. 21 units of alcohol a week. Numbers plucked randomly out of the air. What goes for a 60 kg sedentary man does not fit for a 100kg fireman. I also picked those examples out of the air

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    Mute Cian Hulm
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:06 PM

    Just kick the kids back out onto the streets or parks to run around instead if buying them the latest video game..

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    Mute Catherine Mill
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:10 PM

    With all the austerity cuts, the weight will fall off soon enough.

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    Mute Mary Griffin
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:31 PM

    Unfortunately the opposite seems to be the case. Fruit, healthy cuts meat etc. etc. are expensive. A struggling family on the breadline will buy cheapest and that is often where the bad fats are. The children then do not have the energy for exercise and parents cannot deprive them of everything so why not let them watch TV. Vicious circle I’m afraid.

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    Mute neeneee
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:37 PM

    If parents eat sh!te the kids eat sh!te too.doesnt matter if they’re rich or poor.

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    Mute ManOnTheStreet
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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:40 PM

    Mary, the myth that healthy food is more expensive is simple not true.
    They sell fresh fruit and veg in Aldi for practically nothing. Much less than a box of frozen nuggets.
    Almost any butchers will have a 3 for 10 euro deal on meat. Sure, it’s not the choice cut, but it’s perfectly good meat. It’ll be in my healthy stew tonight.
    It has nothing to do with price. And everything to do with laziness. People just are not willing to cook.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 4:10 PM

    @Catherine And so will the price of junk food and back to square 1 we go !

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    Oct 21st 2013, 5:31 PM

    @Mary, have to disagree with you, fruit and veg are not expensive, this is purely laid at the feet of the parents, by giving them fatty foods and sugary drinks because it is convenient, not cheaper. Not encouraging them to participate in sport and driving them the 1/2 mile to school (a lot of the times a lot less, which I have noticed frequently).
    I have always encouraged my boys to participate in sports, which included football, karate, and athletics, they cycled or walked to school, and ate healthy meals.
    Mind you they got treats as well and both turned out to be fine healthy adults.
    Everything in moderation and parents should lead by example.

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    Mute Gary Keegan
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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:37 PM

    So are blood pressure meds, insulin, cholesterol meds, anti inflamms oh yeah and over sized coffins. All pretty expensive. Pay now or pay later.

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    Mute Tony O' Leary
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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:44 PM

    That’s true apart from insulin, insulin is free for type 1 diabetics

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    Mute Gary Keegan
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    Oct 21st 2013, 8:49 PM

    True but type 2 can be prevented and reversed with a proper diet. Sugar is the problem

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    Mute Tony O' Leary
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    Oct 22nd 2013, 10:09 PM

    Yes in most cases it can be prevented, although you don’t have to be majorly overweight to develop type 2 diabetes

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    Mute Carina Clarke
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    Oct 21st 2013, 5:43 PM

    It also doesn’t help that a lot of schools do not have a hall suitable for a class of 30 kids to participate in any kind of meaningfull PE. I wanted to do Sportshall athletics with my kids school to introduce them to the different events in track & field and Sportshall athletics is a geared towards this. Unfortunately the hall can’t accomodate a class and Irish schools don’t have changing facilities either so if the kids get soaked outside during PE, they can’t change either.

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    Mute Andrew Potts
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    Oct 21st 2013, 8:00 PM

    Let Ryan Air charge by the kg then lots of people would lose weight

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    Mute Ciaran De Ceol
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    Oct 21st 2013, 2:55 PM

    Hold on a minute, where are these figures from? Ireland is simply not the 7th most obese country in the world nor are 60% of adults overweight and/or obese!

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:11 PM

    I agree. More likely to be higher….

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:18 PM

    Jokes aside, the above is simply untrue.
    By nobody’s scale, scientific, popular literature and anything in between would Ireland be in that position.

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    Oct 21st 2013, 3:40 PM
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    Oct 22nd 2013, 12:05 AM

    Indeed which would make my original point valid. Taking a sample of 16 countries and making a claim of “in the world” is wrong.

    Its like doing the following – Lets take a sample of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Did you know England is the biggest red wine producer in the world?!

    Bad science really works me up!

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    Oct 21st 2013, 7:57 PM

    Cycling is the easiest way to get exercise between work/ school each day. A High Nelly can go at ten miles a hour without breaking sweat or having to wear special clothes for the journey . The weather in Ireland is the same as the Netherlands. In one year you will lose a stone forever by doing those short journeys.
    Then just look at your die and go for a low sugar diet. At this stage food safety should be controlled by the Dept of Health. I think I saw that obesity was costing the health 1-1 billion but I could be wrong

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    Oct 22nd 2013, 1:17 AM

    Fat = adipose tissue
    Adipose tissue = insulation for cold + reserve of energy for when food is scarce. I’d rather be too fat than too skinny. #morecakeplease

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