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All-Ireland Gaelic football final between Galway and Kerry in Croke Park last year. Alamy Stock Photo

'Nightmare on matchdays’: Lack of parking and unruly spectators ‘irritating’ Croke Park residents

‘We have a major issue and the only ones who are responsible for it is Dublin City Council,’ a leading coach operator told The Journal.

A LACK OF coach parking at Croke Park is leading to irritation for GAA spectators, as well as residents around Croke Park.

Tomorrow, Kerry will take on Dublin in the All-Ireland Football final.

But Damien Long, an executive member of the Coach Tourism and Transport Council (CCTC) and owner of TravelMaster, said spectators are reluctant to get a coach to Croke Park due to a lack of coach parking near the stadium.

This in turn leads to parking issues in the area, with people opting to drive to the game instead, while local residents also contend with some unruly spectators making their way back to their bus.

“We have a major issue with Dublin City and the only ones who are responsible for it is Dublin City Council (DCC),” Long told The Journal.

“They are an absolute disaster because they don’t seem to understand how it works, and they won’t ask for help either.

“They keep telling us they will find a solution for Croke Park, but they’re actually taking away solutions.”

Long explained that coaches were previously able to park in Mountjoy Square, which is around a ten-minute walk from Croke Park and could hold up to 60 coaches.

“It wouldn’t cause any hassle to traffic, it was a perfect spot, and all of a sudden, they took it away,” said Long.

“They took it away around six years ago but didn’t give us any reasons.

“We were told maybe it was to do with leaving a clear way to get fire brigades and ambulances through or because there are a lot of apartments there now and they don’t want the buses there during match days.”

Long said Dublin City Council then directed coaches to Alfie Byrne Road, just off East Wall Road, a thirty minute walk to Croke Park.

“That was fine and we were parking there and all of a sudden, they put a cycle lane in there and a huge number of cyclists were blocking all the parking, saying that they didn’t want buses there because we were blocking their cycle route.

“DCC came back eventually and said you can’t park anymore but we don’t actually have an option for you.”

Long said the next option DCC came up with was Whitehall GAA pitch, which is 45 minutes away.

“People are getting off buses in Whitehall and have to walk over 40 minutes through housing estates and down roads with no signage on how to get to Croke Park,” Long told The Journal.

Nial Ring is a councillor for the North Inner City.

He said a balance needs to be struck between the fan’s need and resident’s needs and add that it is a “no-brainer to me to bring back” coach parking in Mountjoy Square.

“I don’t know what the reasoning is behind it being closed, and Whitehall certainly doesn’t make sense as a lot of people wouldn’t be able to walk for 45 minutes,” Ring told The Journal.

“Maybe sometimes when it’s just gone on for so long, people just get comfortable in the way things are run, maybe it’s time to have a total review.”

Long told The Journal that “the CCTC is willing to sit down with everybody, the guards and the council and the National Transport Authority, and tell them how it should be done”.

“We’re the experts who actually know how a bus turns and drives,” said Long.

“Dublin City Council needs to put their hands up and admit they’re wrong, they don’t know what they’re doing, and ask for help, but they won’t do that.”

Local councillor Nial Ring said he “would absolutely be happy to put in a question to the chief executive to ask him, ‘will you sit down with the residents, the coach drivers, the GAA and the guards?’”

He added: “I’d be surprised if the coach drivers aren’t being listened to because they take a lot of cars off the road and they know what they’re doing.”

Long meanwhile says there is an easy solution: “Put the bus parking back on Mountjoy Square or between Clonliffe Road and East Wall Road, for just the day of the events, make it bus parking and buses only.

“It would stop Dublin city becoming absolutely gridlocked on the day of an event.”

Ring agrees on the need to re-open Mountjoy Square, and added that he would “no issue” with closing off East Wall Road for the day and just allowing residents and coach parking.

‘Nightmare for residents’

“Dublin City Council don’t realise how much of a nightmare it is for residents,” said the CCTC’s Damien Long.

“You imagine an event like Coldplay next year. The people we drive to Coldplay will get off the buses at four o’clock in the day and will walk 45 minutes to Croke Park.

“Some of them are only 17 and 18 years old, it’s their first time in Dublin for some, and they will come out of Croke Park at the pitch dark when it’s a completely different looking road and they’ll get lost.

“Their parents are then on the phone worried that their child won’t make it home.

“They have no understanding of what it is like for people from rural Ireland to have to go to Dublin for the day, they don’t understand it and they don’t want to know about it.

Long said the long walks people face to return to their coach causes a lot of the things that annoy local residents.

“People coming out of concerts at 11pm after being drinking, you make them walk 40 minutes past houses, they start to get annoyed or aggressive, they might pull flower boxes off a wall or damage the mirror of a car, something to annoy the residents.

“But if the bus was outside the stadium, it would stop all that. You’d come out of the stadium, walk to the bus and go home.

“It’s a very simple solution to a very serious problem.”

Croke Park has asked spectators to “have consideration for local residents and refrain from littering, illegal parking and anti-social behaviour”.

Ring said another major gripe is the lack of toilet facilities on match days.

“We’ve asked for port-a-loos to be installed but that doesn’t seem to happen at all.

“As a result, unfortunately people’s gardens or back lanes are used as public toilets and that’s a huge issue.

“You shouldn’t have to pay €90 for the tickets and basically have nowhere to go to the toilet until you get into the stadium.”

Ring added that the area around Croke Park becomes gridlocked even for residents on match days.

“We have a cordoned off area around Croke Park where residents can only be allowed and park, and that will go up at 11am this Sunday.

“So if a person goes to Mass at 10am, when they come back, there’s no parking for residents.”

Ring also hit out at illegal parking in the area on match days.

“What also irritates a lot of people is the parking on the footpath on Clonliffe Road.

“People come early, park on the footpath, no clamping takes place and then people with buggies or elderly people or people with disabilities find it very difficult to go up and down that particular road.

“They park in front of signs reading ‘Access required 24/7’, but there seems to be a don’t care attitude of, ‘I’m only here for the day’.

“The guards are busy enough looking after 80,000 people, you can’t have them going up and down the road giving out tickets, but it’s known that people have an attitude of, ‘park anywhere and it’ll be grand’.”

Prior to last week’s All-Ireland Hurling final, gardaí urged spectators to use public transport or city centre car parks were possible. 

Gardaí added that vehicle clamping will be in operation for cars illegally parked, and confirmed that no coach parking or drop-offs would be facilitated in the vicinity of Croke Park. 

In addition to the “no-brainer” of re-opening Mountjoy Square for coaches, Ring said it’s time to “think outside the box”.

“Clonliffe College, literally about 50 yards from Croke Park, it’s closed now because it was sold off,” said Ring.

“That has exacerbated the problem hugely because that would have taken 200-300 cars.

“I had a motion passed in our development plan that we push for a new rail station at Croke Park, because there is a rail line going both ends of Croke Park and it seems stupid that a rail way station shouldn’t be built.

“That would help the problem and in these days of climate crisis, wouldn’t it be great if we could get 5,000 people out of cars and into the train if the train stopped at Croke Park.”

Dublin City Council has been approached for comment by The Journal.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:35 AM

    Another reason to not use Starbucks

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:59 AM

    @Mark Lingard: After living abroad and tasting good cafe coffee, i can tell you this, the coffee from a self serve machine in a service stations is as good as most of these cafe franchise will give you in Ireland.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:05 AM

    @Mark Lingard: Not for one to be late when meeting friendsI regularly arrive early and sit down. When asked what I want to order I simply reply that I’m waiting for a colleague to arrive and we will order then. It appears from reading the article both sides are at fault as they could’ve simply said they were waiting for someone to join them.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:00 AM

    @Sandra O’Fucáif: Is that a fact?

    Or could it be that cops coming to remove 2 white guys from loitering in a Cafe isn’t newsworthy?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:08 AM

    @Mark Lingard: What, because one of their tens of thousands of employees is a big thick and /or a bigot?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:28 AM

    @Sandra O’Fucáif: one of the guys had a bomber jacket on and a pair of tracksuit bottoms .its hardly the look of the average Starbucks customer.
    I bet if two white guys walked into a coffee shop on grafton st in scaldy looking tracksuits and refused to buy anything the staff would want them to leave ..the only difference is the garda would not arrive at the coffee shop for half an hour and when they do they arrive with a note pad taking names.
    Different policing methods but I guess that is why the tourists areas in the USA are not over run with WHITE intimating junkies like we have in Dublin city centre.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:29 AM

    @Jamie Jj Tobin: Except Bar Americain New York, best cup of coffee I ever had, about 12 years ago.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:32 AM

    @Charliegrl80: Karma, will be a *B for those involved.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:40 AM

    @Eoghan S Quinn: Garda wouldn’t arrive at all outside the city center when called to a shop/cafe…

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    Apr 16th 2018, 12:25 PM

    @Jamie Jj Tobin: the issue here is racism. Not quality of coffee.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:35 AM

    This is so wrong. In 2018? America come on. People sit and wait at coffee shops all the time. And on what grounds did the police arrest them, and handcuff them? They simply could have asked them to leave…if there was an issue. I hope they sue and win big.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:46 AM

    @The Girl: I think the grounds were arabic roast

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:51 AM

    @The Girl:

    Did the article not say that they refused to buy anything? As much as I don’t like Starbucks it’s not a library, it’s a business.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:05 AM

    @Nick Allen: the article said that they were waiting for a friend to arrive before ordering. You’re searching for a reason to confirm your unconscious bias, but even if they refused, two white guys would not have been arrested for that.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:13 AM

    @Nick Allen: Sure, but it’s OK if you are white, caucasian, and it’s also particularly helpful if you are middle-class, apparently.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:15 AM

    @Conor Paddington:

    Unconscious bias?

    How stupid are you? You do not know me and you do not know what bias I may or may not have. I was simply demonstrating critical thinking ie I based my comment on the facts provided which clearly say that the two guys refused to purchase something. Furthermore, neither you nor I know what would have happened if they were two while men, that is just conjecture on your part.

    Two many people these days jump on the race card and ignore the facts. It demonstrates a real lack of ability to think for oneself and the ability of social media to make influence some people

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:16 AM

    @Johnny Bellew:

    And where are you getting that information? Is that just made up to suit your argument or is it actually based on anything ?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:17 AM

    @Nick Allen: too not two*

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:24 AM

    @Nick Allen: no, I’m sorry, but your comment demonstrates a total lack of social awareness in trying to find reasons to make this reprehensible occurrence seem reasonable. It does not demonstrate critical thinking. There were plenty of witnesses in that coffee shop who were entirely confused about what was going on, the two victims in the situation are totally reasonable and even bemused. This was a racially charged fůçk up and trying to make it seem ok does not make you an enlightened thinker.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:28 AM

    @Conor Paddington:

    I don’t disagree that this was handled badly but you are jumping to conclusion to say it was race related. It may well have been, but you nor I know whether it was. They fact that they refused to buy anything in the shop is not ‘trying to find reasons’, it is dealing with the facts. Starbucks is a business, they sell coffee, if someone refuses to purchases anything what should they do?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:15 AM

    @Conor Paddington: you know this for a fact do …
    The police in america are not like the garda they go in and arrest and ask questions later.
    And from what iv seen the first contact with police over there is vital what I mean is any attitude whats so ever towards and your gone white black or brown .they are extremely quick to arrest.
    I agree with a previous poster if it had of been two white guys it wouldn’t be news worthy.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:34 AM

    @Nick Allen: Its based on anecdotal evidence. The best kind.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:38 AM

    @Johnny Bellew:

    I think that comment says it all, I am surprised you don’t have a reference to The Daily Mail or FaceBook to back it up

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:59 AM
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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:19 AM

    @The Girl: wake up to reality 91.3% of all murder is commented by black people in Philly these are the facts .and guess
    what the overwhelming majority of their victims are black ..so is any wonder then why police over there arrest black people ..
    The same thing happens here the majority of lads being arrested and sent to jail are from certain areas of Dublin finglas ballymun northinner city crummlin ..Guess why because the majority of crime comes out of them areas ..so why is it not an outrage when two lads from sheriff st get arrested for nothing…Complete PR BullS…
    Its getting ridiculous now people need to say it how it is

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Nick Allen: no the article says they said they were waiting for a friend before ordenens. And after spending 15 years in bars and restaurants I can tell you it’s a pretty common thing to happen. It’s called the hospitality industry for a reason.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 12:24 PM

    @Dave Thomas:

    Time for a trip to SpecSavers I think. The article clearly states that they refused to buy anything

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:40 PM

    @Bobby Byrne: If it was Starbucks it was very weak grounds

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    Apr 16th 2018, 5:06 PM

    @The Girl: thanks for letting us know the year! What would we do without you…

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    Apr 16th 2018, 7:02 PM

    @Eoghan S Quinn: cops have racially profiled black people,which has been proven to be against the constitution.You’re right,black on black killings is high.But you’ll find the same with white on white killings.Poverty is a big reason for this..

    Anyway,the manager only has the right to kick them out if the place of business has a policy stating that a purchase must be made and if that policy is enforced across the board. Starbucks has acknowledged that they do not have a ,’no buy, get out’ policy.In other words,the manager made a boo-boo…

    is it ‘cos they were black ? probs..

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:30 PM

    @Dave Thomas: Is that what you deduce from reading this ?…..Philadelphia police commissioner Richard Ross, who is black, said police had received a 911 call from a Starbucks worker who said the men were trespassing, after sitting down and refusing to buy anything.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:46 AM

    If they had ordered coffee and were sitting with their coffee in front of them then this is absurd but….. if they were just sitting taking up space and preventing other customers from having a space to sit then they were rightfully asked to leave.That is called loitering. All towns and cities have this law. Not sure that handcuffs were necessary unless they resisted. Can’t any media actually report all of the story/facts instead of seeking to get our undies in a twist over something that could actually be pretty simple to explain ??

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:48 AM

    @Dj:

    Put your undies on and stop giving out

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:50 AM

    @Dj: bootlicker

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:53 AM

    @courageous: It’s a nice day so I’ve decided to hang loose.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:53 AM

    @Damien Mooney: Bumlicker.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:58 AM

    @Dj: loitering is in public place trespass is on private property but this is a public accessible business it’s different

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:11 AM

    @ter: Is that Irish law or U.S. law? And arw you familiar with the laws in that particular state?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:39 AM

    A lack of common sense on all sides. 1) If you are waiting on somebody in a coffee shop then order something, must have been there a while for this to have escalated. 2) Calling 911 for this? The mind boggles? 3) To arrest them then just beggars belief!

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:53 AM

    @John Cotter: I agree John. The management of a store generally has the right to refuse entry or ask a customer to leave. Whether that request was communicated to the guys I don’t know but I assume it was. A simple ordering of a coffee would have stopped it at that stage. If they didn’t leave after being asked, the manager may have felt he had a problem on his hands and called the police. Once the police were involved, if the men refuse to leave voluntarily then the cops may not have had a choice but to arrest.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:49 AM

    They called the police, made a complaint to the police. The police did their job and then because of the negative publicity they withdrew the complaint. Doesn’t look like the police did anything wrong.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:53 AM

    @Mairtin Antaine O Conaill:

    And what did Starbucks do wrong? Two people sitting in their shop and refusing to purchase anything.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:27 AM

    @Mairtin Antaine O Conaill: yet all the customers around them protested.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:30 AM

    @Deborah Behan:

    What should Starbucks have done?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:44 AM

    @Nick Allen: probably shouldn’t have racially profiled them. You’re continuous attempt to justify this incident makes it very obvious of what kind of mindset you have.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:58 AM

    @Paul:

    Where does it say they were racially profiled and where is the evidence? Were there two white men that also refused to purchase anything that were left to loiter in the restaurant?

    Yes, it is obvious the mindset I have, I deal with the facts rather than am one of the many snowflakes out there that are influenced by social media.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:03 AM

    @Paul: You are assuming they called the police because the guys were black instead of the fact that they were taking up a couple of tables and not purchasing anything.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:34 AM

    @Deborah Behan: two did not all ..you should get a job with fox news

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:48 AM

    @Nick Allen: you’re response is laughable. By saying the word snowflake it just completely discredits any point you try to make. Enjoy your day fella

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:52 AM

    @B9xiRspG: yes I am assuming they called the police because they were black. I’d like to know how many white people left in handcuffs who were waiting for a friend before ordering, since the store opened.

    Whether you like it or not or whether or not it fits your narrative Jim, America has and always had a racial problem a very serious one.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:01 AM
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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:35 AM

    @Paul:

    Why are you avoiding the facts. They REFUSED to buy anything. Take a little time to digest what that means to a business in the restaurant sector.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Paul: A guy in tallaght gets locked up for 11 months for crime he did not commit ..not one comment about it or posts two black guys are asked to leave a cafe and there is PR outrage …The PR junkies in the this country are making a complete fool of themselves .off to leafy suburbs with you all its pathetic..its ok to look down at poorer areas in dublin but god forbid you say or do anything to black person in a city Iv never been or know anything about

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:43 PM

    @Nick Allen: hold on a minute now the store manager SAID they refused to buy anything. They told the manager they were waiting on a friend. But let’s just feed our own agendas nick.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Eoghan S Quinn: guy gets falsely imprisoned that is awful. Could you fill me in on the details I actually didn’t see or read that article. Not trying to be smart btw I’m genuinely interested.

    With that I agree with you that there is a class issue in Ireland as-well directed towards lower income areas which is disgusting and does need to be addressed.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 5:26 PM
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    Apr 16th 2018, 5:49 PM

    @Paul: notice there is not one comment ans all the facts are in that article. Not one mention from the PR machine .
    I genuinely believe these PR clowns live an extremely sheltered life and dont get out and see the real world

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    Apr 16th 2018, 6:20 PM

    @Eoghan S Quinn: are the comments on that article not closed??? That might explain why there are no comments.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 6:29 PM

    @Mairtin Antaine O Conaill: they because I copied and pasted link from google but there was not one single comment today ..

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:17 AM

    I was in a tiny little deli cafe in Portlaoise on Sat when a lady (I’m guessing of Indian sub continent decent, and down on her luck) came in, handed a baby’s bottle to the barista / owner and asked to have some milk and hot water. Without hesitation, the bottle was filled and returned to the lady was wished the best of luck. Support small local businesses..for a better community for everyone..

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:39 AM

    @Dave Fingleton: What a heart warming anecdote, made getting out of bed worthwhile this Monday morning. Truly life affirming. Restores my faith in human kind etc. Got any more?

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    Mute Steve Hardy
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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:41 AM

    Mc Cafe sell better coffee than starbucks anyway

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:56 AM

    If it was two scangers or s-pikey’s loitering around a coffee shop here in Ireland, who’d possibly also told the security man to FO, the SB manager would call the Gardai, wait 2 or 3 hours for them to show up if you were lucky, only to be told “there’s nothing we can do..”

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:32 AM

    Philadelphia Here I Come ! Not.

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    Mute Eoghan S Quinn
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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:44 AM

    @Gavin O’Brien: why cause they arrested two black guys for reasons unclear wow you should rule out every city in america you should rule out paris too..
    What a ridiculous thing to say

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    Mute Nick Caffrey
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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:16 AM

    Nowhere does it say if the men told the employee that they were waiting for a friend?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:28 AM

    @Nick Caffrey: I would find it strange if they didn’t. But was the employee watching any white peoples in the same way?

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:41 AM

    @Deborah Behan: and how long were they sitting there? 15mins, 30mins, hours? Perhaps no other person (including whites) was sitting there that long without ordering. Unfortunately these are essential information we are not getting from this awful article. A typical attempt to stirr racial tensions.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:22 AM

    Something tells me we are not getting the full story here. Thought I’m sure the MSM have performed a through investigation…

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    Mute James keaty
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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:21 AM

    They were very well dressed for their business meeting! Also? Perfectly entitled to be asked to either purchase something or leave if not willing to. It’s called loitering and I think we might not be getting the full story. The cuffs way over the top tho. All the attention and laws have left cops with no discretion or tact in these situations.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:41 AM

    Shocking, America keeps sinking to new lows as the days weeks and years go by, this is truly disgusting and racism to the core, what kind of police officers are they, I have no doubt in my mind the Garda would not act or done something like this as they have real common sense and professionalism why is America getting it wrong constantly

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:02 AM
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    Apr 16th 2018, 12:49 PM

    Same would have happened to any one of any colour if they were sitting not buying anything.
    The assumption that it was as racial profiling says a lot about the Offended on here.
    A sort of Munchausens syndrome for people who are offended on the behalf of people who can’t be bothered to be offended

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    Mute Matt F
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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:50 AM

    Terrible coffee and now this. Another reason not to drink their swill.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:02 AM

    With apologies to Ali G.

    Is it cos I is back?

    Yes.

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    Mute Elvis King
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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:44 AM

    Show me the money

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:46 AM

    @Elvis King:

    Get a job and you can make your own

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:25 AM

    @courageous: ha , h

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:12 AM

    At least they weren’t shot. They were lucky just to get arrested.

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    Mute Paul
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    Apr 16th 2018, 3:07 PM

    @Johannes Baader: cause every black person that interacts with police get shot?!

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    Mute Sean
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    Apr 16th 2018, 7:18 PM

    @Paul: Pretty much!

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:18 AM

    America going backward fast…..

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    Mute Michael Lang
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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:01 AM

    I take a positive out of this. Some of the white customers protested. One, in particular, was vocal.

    There is another positive. Therefore 3 people who regularly comment on race issues. They are always against the black victims. I was unsure if they were racist or just contrarian. In this case, they have shown that I need no longer hold open the benefit of the doubt that they might be merely contrarian.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:51 PM

    So they bought nothing and were arrested? Nothing else happened? I’d like to see a video of everything that happened before making a judgement as all we are hearing is one side of the story.

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    Mute Francis Mc Carthy
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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:18 AM

    “Waiting in a Starbucks while black is a crime?” -could have been much worse.The two black guys could have got lost and knocked on some persons door looking for directions and end up getting shot at by the occupant.. Moral of the story;if you’re a black American,don’t get lost..

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    Apr 16th 2018, 9:13 AM

    No @Paolo . Both sides were not at fault here.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:13 PM

    Starbucks and trespass??, the same company that ignores the planning laws in this country?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/starbucks-planning-2977197-Sep2016/

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    Mute Philip Mc dermott
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    Apr 16th 2018, 3:30 PM

    They should not have been arrested but there is a bathroom policy that’s for customers only these guys sat down didn’t buy anything then refused to leave saying they wanted to use the bathroom which they didn’t even do, then after refusing to leave the cops were called they asked the guys 3 times to leave again they refused this time saying they were waiting for a friend, if they had just left the first time nothing would have happened but for whatever reason they thought it was ok to just hang out there and take seats from paying customers.

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    Mute Michael Lang
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    Apr 16th 2018, 3:29 PM

    It is amusing to see some who defend the indefensible even when the party responsible apologises and accepts that the actions were utterly indefensible.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:11 AM

    going to cost big bucks

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:08 AM

    @Tony Mulligan: Not really – they were asked to leave which the management is entitled to do, they refused, management called the police, they still wouldn’t leave, got arrested.

    Problem is everyone is saying this happened because of their colour but you have to wonder. They were at least taking up one maybe two tables and weren’t buying anything.

    Starbucks will probably pay out something just to make it go away but eventually someone has to take a stand against the improper use of the racist cards.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:44 PM

    @B9xiRspG: totally %100 agree with you the only reason this is even a story is because of their skin colour, if they were white it wouldn’t have made the news, people will probably now call me racist for pointing that out.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:58 AM

    Music in the back ground sounds like the music in its always sunny in Philadelphia, which is quite fitting because this is something that they do on that show.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 5:05 PM

    Starbucks is chyte in anyway. Piss poor coffee. Please, please, please support your local coffee shop, chances are they make a better tasting cup!

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    Apr 16th 2018, 4:02 PM

    REPREHENSIBLE. If there’s any justice, at all, the responsible employee/s and the arresting officers will all lose their jobs. Absolutely abhorrent!

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    Apr 16th 2018, 1:39 PM

    What did they think the two guys were going to do? Rob Starbucks? Anyone who has seen the Sopranos knows that that would be futile. This is racial profiling by an idiot employee and hopefully these guys will be well compensated for their public humiliation. The employee should have to apologise to them as well and then probably explain to his/her boss why Starbucks is being sued.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 8:04 PM

    8 police officers?!? Are they for real??

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    Apr 16th 2018, 10:06 AM

    Nothing to do with star bucks if the cops arrest someone for nothing. Star bucks are idiots for calling the cops but the cops are idiots all on their own for making an arrest for no reason.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:23 AM

    @Phil Swan: Starbucks made the complaint of trespass. They withdrew that complaint after the men were removed. Trespass is an arrestable offence.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:42 AM

    @Phil Swan: But what crime had they committed? Their friend was probably meaning to stand them a coffee and they didn’t realise that customers are supposed to order before taking a table. Of course the staff were missing out on tips and sales if they took a table and didn’t buy anything. But why call the cops in the first place? It’s not as though they had eaten meals, accepted service and then run away laughing. They hadn’t flung food around and not left a tip. All things that so-called customers have done without being arrested. Even then you’d expect that the staff wouldn’t want to embarrass potential future customers. I think the cops should have had more sense.

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    Apr 16th 2018, 7:19 PM

    @Phil Swan: there is no space between Star and Bucks

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    Apr 16th 2018, 11:36 PM

    Crime rate statistics don’t help doh !!!

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