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LAST UPDATE | 16 Aug 2023
GARDAÍ HAVE SAID they received more than 40 calls over four hours last night in relation to the rush on ATMs amid a Bank of Ireland error.
Significant queues formed at a number of ATM locations across the country yesterday evening amid rumours that people were able to withdraw more money than they had available in their BOI accounts.
Gardaí were deployed to some of those ATMs, with a garda spokesperson telling The Journal today that they were only present to ensure public order and public safety.
Today, BOI has suggested that it won’t charge interest to customers who withdrew extra cash during the IT glitch.
While An Garda Síochána told The Journal that there was no national directive, they confirmed there were calls from command and control centres to stations in at least three regions after becoming aware of both large queues forming and an issue at a financial institution.
Gardaí posted to ATMs in the late evening dispersed queues and, in some instances closed access at the ATMs.
In a statement this evening, gardaí said they “became aware of an unusual volume of public activity at some ATMs across the country” yesterday evening.
The statement said: “Gardaí received in excess of 40 calls across our 4 Regional Garda Control Rooms, between 8pm and 12 midnight, from members of the public primarily concerned as to the level of public activity taking place and crowds gathering at ATMs but also including small number of calls at ATMs relating to public order incidents and 1 call in relation to an assault/robbery.
Events last night involved a complicated set of circumstances involving large sums of cash in circulation, in some instances large crowds and queues gathering and a developing and escalating situation.
“In response to this dynamic and evolving situation and to ensure public safety, decisions were made locally on a case-by-case basis depending on the circumstances presenting to control rooms and operational members. This is the reality of day to day operational policing.”
However, speaking to The Journal, the Social Democrats justice spokesperson Catherine Murphy said questions still need to be answered about whether directives were sent to gardaí to protect ATMs.
“When I saw the pictures last night at ATM machines, I was thinking to myself, this is a civil matter. Who actually gave the instruction? What prompted this? Because this is extraordinary,” she said.
“It wasn’t as if people were being beaten up at ATM machines, they were queuing. I don’t know if they were legitimately looking for money. But the thing is that if people take money out that they don’t have, there’s avenues to pursue people,” she said, stating that this is a problem wholly caused by Bank of Ireland.
“It was extraordinary, an extraordinary use of Garda manpower, at a point where, you know, there’s other issues being raised in relation to safety on the streets. It sends an incredible signal about where the priorities are,” she added.
Murphy said that if a glitch like this prompts that kind of response “it shows actually a double vulnerability”.
It is unclear how many ATMs were subject to garda patrols last night.
It is understood the first call came through the Galway command and control centre in the Western Region, before similar information being given to stations in other regions.
The Journal understands that the call from command and control in Cork led to deployments across some locations in at least one other county in Munster.
Labour’s Justice spokesperson Aodhán Ó Ríordáin told this website that he found the images of gardaí “protecting ATMs” last night as “unnerving”.
He questioned on what basis the gardaí were there, stating that answers need to be provided as to who instructed them to go there.
“People are perfectly entitled to line up behind an ATM machine and take out whatever they have in their account. The problem with that image is it gives a sense of the State, through the gardaí, protecting a private bank and the basis on which they were doing it seems to be a bit questionable.
“Like, who made the call? Who asked then to do it? Who made the order? What were they trying to achieve?” he asked.
Ó Ríordáin said he felt unnerved by the incident “particularly in the climate of justice and crime being an issue and arguments around backup guarding personnel in certain areas and people feeling unsafe”.
“As soon as BOI had a problem, which has €1.4 billion worth of profit last year, the system was able to call on the guards to protect them. And I mean, was there evidence of criminal behavior or people acting in a criminal fashion?” he asked.
The Labour spokesperson said if someone withdrew money from an ATM that they did not have in their account, then it is a matter for BOI to take up with its customer.
“The image is quite powerful, and in any other context and any other time, it would have been unnerving but particularly in the current context, with the argument around garda numbers and a garda presence is so cute,” he added.
Speaking to The Journal, Fianna Fáil’s justice spokesperson Jim O’Callaghan also said it was an “unusual use of garda resources”, stating that ATMs are a public utility that the public are entitled to use.
He said it is generally the case that gardaí only respond to such incidents if a complaint has been made.
“Bank of Ireland should indicate whether or not it made a complaint to the gardaí and if so, did the gardaí respond to that complaint, and what was the basis of the complaint,” said O’Callaghan.
Sinn Féin’s justice spokesperson said clarity is needed as to why An Garda Síochána was tasked with “tidying up the bank’s mess”.
“It would be more in the banks line to get its house in order than returning to the State for assistance every time it needs help especially at a time when garda resources are stretched,” he said.
In a statement last night, a garda spokesperson also said that they wanted to “remind people of their personal responsibility in carrying out their personal banking”.
Finance Minister Michael McGrath has said he wants a “full account” about what happened with the BOI glitch.
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Dark age Savages seem to take pleasure in mass murder.
Sounds like Islamophobia OK then? Here’s a definition.
Islamophobia is a term for prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Muslims or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim. While the term is widely recognized and used, both the term and the underlying concept have been criticized. Some scholars have defined it as a type of racism, but this has been contested. Some commentators charge that the concept of “Islamophobia” has been used to dismiss any criticism of Islam, including its radical variants, by equating it with prejudice and racism. The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some commentators have posited an increase in Islamophobia resulting from the September 11 attacks while others have associated it with the increased presence of Muslims in Western nations.
Islamophobia is an absolutely nonsensical term.
Will, seanie is not someone I normally agree with at all, but what he said is no any kind of phobic, it’s a fairly accurate summation and description of Islam.
If quoting Islamic scripture could be described as bigoted against Islam, wouldn’t that make Islam the problem rather than the commentator quoting?
Yeah, you can’t change the text of an incredibly violent and nasty 1400 year old desert barbarian’s holy book. It’s all there.
Ibn Khaldun, a Muslim scholar of the 14th C and considered by many to be the founder of Sociology and Economics.
He put it clearly that
“other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense. … Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”
He is following the tradition of Mohammed and the faith as it is written. A lot of accusations of Islamophobia and racism are driven by the condescension of the left, that all abuse of power and rights are down to European Imperialism or bigotry, that that is the underlying cause.
As if the world wasn’t brutal before Europe ever became a global power centre.
An interesting aside about Ibn Khaldun is he wrote about evolution in the 14th C.. How mankind came from Apes. He also wrote fascinating pieces on plant evolution as well and how the diversification of species was always happening.
A genius.
You have to be strongly suspicious that the 1400 abused girls in Rotherham were ignored because of the left’s attitude to Islamophobia and their belief in multiculturalism. Labour have controlled there for 40 years. Labour in the UK is not the soft Labour of Ireland but heavily influenced, especially at local level, by the hard left.
Seanie, that’s ironic considering that Muslims today deny Evolution. I spent a half an hour in Brick Lane in East London (a largly Muslim area) a couple of years arguing with a heavily bearded and very angry man at a Muslim stall about Evolution. He was selling anti-Evolution books. Until then I didn’t know Muslims opposed Evolution, I thought it was just the nutty Christians from the Southern States. :)
He died in jail and kept being fired from every job he held.
I suppose modern evolution theory is a replacement of God in the eyes of both its enemies and proponents.
In the 14th C. maybe it was just viewed by those reading Khaldun as a working out of the fine details. Islam doesn’t seem to have the same obsession with a creation story as Islam does.
Very interesting comments Seanie, thanks for sharing these
as Christianity.
Seanie,
It’s hardly like Islam is the only religion to purport violence. The Crusades were the Christian equivalent of ISIS.
Like all religion; convince someone to believe in something and you’ll own them. They will do whatever you ask of them. Christian, Jew, Islam…there’s no real difference. Depending on your point in history each faction would kill you in the name of their god.
The Crusades were a push back against Islam, which had being expanding violently into what were formely Christian lands for centuries.
‘Christian, Jew, Islam…there’s no real difference.’ This is a fallacy and a typical Leftist argument, that, ah well religion, sure there all the same aren’t they? Well they are most certainly not the same
While there are similarities, there are also huge differences. The central figure of Christianity for instance, by today;s standards would be seen as a peace loving hippy. The same cannot be said of Mohammed, in Muslim eyes. the most perfect human being to ever walk the planet. This is a man who beheaded his enemies, had sex with children and engaged in slavery.
” It is an ideology and a religion rolled in to one ”
You could say the same thing about bible – it is full of Hate – and look at the record of ”Christians ”- from Dum diversas [ where pope authorised robbery and slavery of non Christians ]to the present day – where u have christuian nations invading Muslim nations eg US and Iraq , Yemen , Sudan , Afghanistan – blowing people to bits ,- and then big surprise when they get a bit of blowback .
but look at these bible quotes – a book of hate – . Most if not all presidents of US were / are Christian – yet Obama boated of his murder list .
IS are not pleasant – but US created and funded them .
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” It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.
The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ”
http://www.evilbible.com/
the problem is religion – not the muslims
Don’t be daft! If they were a group of Christians doing it in the name of God what would we call it. Too bad that they are giving their religion a bad name but that’s called reality.
Islamophobia is pretty rational, considering the shite that Islam brings with it.
Nice cut and paste. But of course it forgets one fact. There are not many Christans carrying out the acts of violence that are wriiten in the Old Testament in the name of God and Jesus. Where as with Islam? Well we know the answer to that question.
The old testament is full on and violent, however it is very specific to the times and certain cities and states there is no repeated emphasis that individuals have to engage in war in perpetuity against non-believers.
Yahweh killed Caanites like it was going out of fashion but there is no never ending command to kill them directly to the wider community. He might have ordered kings to kill people but it is not out to unborn generations.
There is no ambiguity in Islam about the need for fighting and war, it is very clear that it must go on till the very last day of Earth or till Islam rules the world.
Jim Flavin: You can’t even compare the acts of modern-day Christians to the acts of modern-day Islam. I don’t see any gangs of Christians beheading people.
What about La Familia in Mexico? Probably on a par with ISIS for viciousness and cruelty, possibly even worse and they are Christian Fundamentalists.
what your seeing in syria and iraq is how islam was spread in the 6th century. If you don’t join bammmmmmm. Tom Holland the historian has an excellent book called in the shadow of the sword about the spread of islam. I very very strongly do not want muslim immigration to Ireland.
Islamophobia —- Phobia is usually referred to an irrational fear of something. I think the fear of the sort of Islam that is portrayed in the above article is justified and in no way Islamophobic.
Doesn’t all this depend on there being a god, which obviously to all, there isn’t ?
You cant take a minority and use them as an example for a much larger group like that, in fact that’s what ISIS would like you to do.
As I said before La Familia are Christian fundamentalists, their modern carnation even call themselves “The Knights of Templar”, mass beheading’s are their signature.
The foundation of the Catholic church lies in the Roman Empire who were the greatest advocates for beheading’s, why do you not look on Christians in the same light?
Surely Mr.B. Hussein Obama is an authority on Islam having been raised as one? Has he been asked for his interpretation of the Koran ?
Alcoholics and Racists also never admit to having a problem and often even deny the existence of the problem, same seems to go for Islamophobes.
Still using my pseudonym Dermot and you’re still using the same inane comparisons. La Familia and the Knights Templar cartel are Narco Traffickers . Cash is their motivation not God. And the leader of La Familia was certainly no Christian Fundamentalist although he did carry a ‘bible’ arounnd of his own sayings/.
Same can be said for ISIS they are a political movement motivated by power and money, only a gullible fool or someone with a chip on their shoulder like yourself would think that God is the main motivation for their upper ranking members.
You are way off the mark buddy, I’ll give you a broad hint: you were stalking my comments for weeks
Stop using my screen name and picture.
ISIS are murdering people because of their religion not because of money or financial motivation, which are secondary concerns.
Oh so it’s the ‘multimedia’ journalist Luke..
I should have known by the lack of critical thinking behind your comments. Although the same could be said of Dermot’s comments as well, and he does already have 2 phantom accounts on the go.
I never stalk anybody’s comments, I challenged your opinions becuse they consist soley ‘of ‘shrieks of ‘waycism’ and ‘Islamophobia. By the way if you’re not a ‘multimedia’ journalist why did you not immediately refute that assertion when it was made? It took you two days to do that
I think it’s hilarious you set up a phantom account in an attempt to gain revenge. Hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
Lots and lots and lots and lots of violent urgings from “God” in the bible…which based on your argument SeanieRyan would mean that Catholicism is also an ideology and religion rolled into one where fighting(and murder, and revenge, and wrath) is a central plank – the heart of the faith is rotten and violent etc etc
And those urgings are in the Old Testament or Hebrew bible which are then abrogated by Jesus and the New Testament. Trying to compare Islam and Chrisitanity is like trying to compare boxing and tennis.
Wrong again old Scipio, how many users have you been stalking?
You use the journal to channel your hate and feelings of inadequacy in the hope that people are actually taking on board the dirty ideology that comes from your tormented brain, I highly doubt anyone listens to you in the real world, hence the amount of time you spend on here. you are pathetic but I don’t find you funny in any way. You are as much an extremist as any member of ISIS but instead of weapons you use your keyboard.
You come out with the most ridiculous of statements such as the one above, all of the Abrahamic religions are comparable as any one that has studied them properly will tell you.
Scipio I have no problem whatsoever been branded an Islamophope, I’ve a major problem with this cult/religion, in its extreme form its the most evil thing on earth and even its so called moderate form is dangerous.
Islamophopia is a word that should be introduced to the dictionary,
The examiner recently published a fairly informative piece on radical Islam.
The author raises the issue of Wahhabism, which is rarely discussed in relation to recent developments in the Middle East.
After 9/11 the US did not take Saudi Arabia to task, but instead launched its military at the two regimes that had most effectively restrained Iran (the house of Saud’s bitterest rival).
Now we witness the emergence of Isis in reaction to the enhancement of Iran and Shia Muslim power in the region.
Is anyone surprised?
” Noam Chomsky, emeritus professor at MIT, agrees, while pointing to US complicity. “In the Arab world, the United States and its allies have regularly supported radical Islamists, sometimes to prevent the threat of secular nationalism,” says Chomsky. “A familiar example is Saudi Arabia, the ideological centre of radical Islam (and of Islamic terror).” It is worth noting, in passing, that 15 of the 19 al-Qaeda hijackers responsible for 9/11 were born in Saudi Arabia.
Despite all this, the US dependency on Saudi oil means that its policies towards the oil-rich kingdom are, at best, ambivalent. Washington’s “worst nightmare”, says Chomsky, would be to lose “effective control” over the “unparalleled energy resources” of the Middle East. To maintain this control US has shown again and again a willingness to enter into alliances with unsavoury regimes.”
Simply take 2 minutes to look up Wikipedia and you’ll get a nice list of Christian groups doing exactly the same as ISIS
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
That includes beheadings, mass killings, using child soldiers, rape, forced mass emigration, genocide, and the usual killing and social pogroms against any person not Christian.
It’s not widely reported in the media, if at all, but do not be fooled that Christianity is in any way less utilised for the purposes of killing than ISIS are using Islam to do the same.
The vast majority of Muslims, like the majority of Christians, do not want to rape, pillage and murder. But if you’re going to label Islam as ISIS then we nights as well label Christianity as The Lord’s Resistance Army (That’s a Christian military outfit in Uganda).
can i ask where you copied this quote from?
also did you fact check this claim yourself?
what ive learned is that the original Ibn Ishaq Sīratu Rasūli l-Lāh is lost to history and that this quote originates from a pretty recent english translation of a translation and fragments of copies.
can you provide a link or actual source for the original text? as ive found it impossible to find except for certain “christian” sites that source the same translation and no original. and i cant trust these sites as i have personally found there claims to be false and untrustworthy.
it seems you are very angry at muslims/islam as a whole because of a few who actually commit acts that the majority of muslim condem and muslims have at a massive scale been the victims of these few.. and i dont see that as rational. also this (Sīratu Rasūli l-Lāh) is not a part of islamic doctrine. so how can you claim that this is islam?
furthermore there are know forgeries within this work. would you believe the work of a liar?
Ibn Isḥāq himself said conveyed skepticism of them.
from wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq#Views_of_his_S.C4.ABrat_Ras.C5.ABl_All.C4.81h
“Views of his Sīrat Rasūl Allāh
Notable scholars like the jurist Ahmad ibn Hanbal appreciated his efforts in collecting sīra narratives and accepted him on maghāzī, despite having reservations on his methods on matters of fiqh.[3] Ibn Ishaq also influenced later sīra writers like Ibn Hishām and Ibn Sayyid al-Nās. Other scholars, like Ibn Qayyim Al-Jawziyya, made use of his chronological ordering of events.[20]
The most widely discussed criticism of his sīra was that of his contemporary Mālik ibn Anas.[3] Mālik rejected the stories of Muhammad and the Jews of Medina on the ground that they were taken solely based on accounts by sons of Jewish converts.[21] These same stories have also been denounced as “odd tales” (gharāʾib) later by ibn Hajar al-Asqalani.[21] Mālik and others also thought that ibn Isḥāq exhibited Qadari tendencies, had a preference for Ali (Guillaume also found evidence of this, p.xxii,xxiv),[3] and relied too heavily on what were later called the Isrā’īlīyāt. Furthermore, early literary critics, like ibn Sallām al-Jumaḥī and ibn al-Nadīm, censured ibn Isḥāq for knowingly including forged poems in his biography,[3] and for attributing poems to persons not known to have written any poetry.[13] The 14th-century historian al-Dhahabī, using hadith terminology, noted that in addition to the forged (makdhūb) poetry, Ibn Isḥāq filled his sīra with many munqaṭiʿ (broken chain of narration) and munkar (suspect narrator) reports.[22]
Guillaume notices that Ibn Isḥāq frequently uses a number of expressions to convey his skepticism or caution. Beside a frequent note that only God knows whether a particular statement is true or not (p. xix), Guillaume suggests that Ibn Isḥāq deliberately substitute the ordinary term “ḥaddathanī” by a word of suspicion “zaʿama” (“he alleged”) to show his skepticism about certain traditions (p. xx)”
Reliability of his ahadith
In hadith studies, ibn Isḥaq’s hadith (considered separately from his prophetic biography) is generally thought to be “good” (ḥasan) (assuming an accurate and trustworthy isnad, or chain of transmission)[28] and himself having a reputation of being “sincere” or “trustworthy” (ṣadūq). However, a general analysis of his isnads has given him the negative distinction of being a mudallis, meaning one who did not name his teacher, claiming instead to narrate directly from his teacher’s teacher.[29] Because of his tadlīs, many scholars including Muhammad al-Bukhari hardly ever used his narrations in their sahih books.[30] According to al-Khaṭīb al-Baghdādī, all scholars of ahadith except one no longer rely on any of his narrations, although truth is not foreign to him.[31] Others, like Ahmad ibn Hanbal, rejected his narrations on all matters related to fiqh.[3] Al-Dhahabī concluded that despite his good qualities any narration solely transmitted through him should probably be considered munkar.[22
at the end of the day if something goes against the teaching of the quran then muslims have to abandon it, so muslims reject this narration,
siochain.
ah here, yer man nostradamus wrote a lot of the guessing game as well, thats all it is. nobody can predict the future but just… guess. besides, how many times have these writings changed, edited, lost, edited again. all stories thats all. a real prophet would be someone who keeps winning the lotto!
yeah a real prophet would have been like the most influential man in history.
oh wait, the following is from Michael Hart’s book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group
Ranking of the twenty from the list of 100:
Prophet Muhammad
Isaac Newton
Jesus Christ
Buddha
Confucius
St. Paul
Ts’ai Lun
Johann Gutenberg
Christopher Columbus
Albert Einstein
Karl Marx
Louis Pasteur
Galileo Galilei
Aristotle
Lenin
Moses
Charles Darwin
Shih Huang Ti
Augustus Caesar
Mao Tse-tung
U talking about Israel???
no. think you responded to the wrong comment
Some of the hatred here is disgusting. Shame on you.
did you direct that comment at me?
@williamgrogan… In fairness seanie Ryan referred to a quote , you just gave a dictionary description of Islam phobia .. Try argue seanie Ryan’s quote instead of throwing insults
Great point William
The Romans knew what they were doing when they finally converted the empire to Christianity , people would never worship a mortal god or king but give them an imaginary one , create a book and call it the truth , then kill or convert anyone who doesn’t believe in it .
@scipio .. I think that’s wrong , crusades were the most barbaric violent wars , Christians murdered women & children on the popes blessings for eternal life . Prince salahadin ( spelling might be wrong ) took over Jerusalem from the Christians actually built the Christians there own church so they could worship . Only in recent times has Islam become so evil , thanks to evil clerics who preach to children affected by western influenced wars
Agreed .. We are now coming to the end of the age of Pisces which represents Jesus , in another 150 years we are entering Aquarius , the man who bears the water .. In fact Jesus makes a direct reference to this man in the bible …. “As you enter the city, a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him to the house that he enters,… Last age before Pisces was Aries which is represented by the ram , remember the story of Moses , the people were worshiping a false god which was a golden ram .. They were entering the age of Pisces by burning the ram . When Jesus said ” I’m with you till the end of the world ” , this actually literally translates to I’m with you till the end of the age , which is coming soon , already we can see people turning away from Christianity , I think the church’s time is coming to an end .
Science & technology is what we should believe in , technology improves our lives ., cars , dishwasher etc and science can prove where we came from , what we are made up of and eventually we will find out what happens when we die , already there is theories proven on experiments that we belong to specific DNA chain that reincarnates every few generations
@Joseph O’Regan
Are you referring to israel in Gaza ?
I don’t see any gangs of Christians beheading people..”
- No they terrorise in a different way – but basically papists are just mirror images of IS – Try telling them that their BS is BS – and that Frankie is a fascist – and supports bombing for religious reasons [ ie he is a jihadist ]]
I very very strongly do not want muslim immigration to Ireland.
– Pity the south and North Americans did not have that choice re ”Christians .”.
The Christians slaughtered them by the million – all in the name of ”god ”
These are the lads who bow to pray 5 times every day and are super religious, I say a couple of prayers now and again if I’m in bother yet I never feel the need to go out and hurt anyone.
Man up paddy and ditch the hat
I wear this hat everyday to cover my exceptionally long head, it goes right up to the top of the hat, it makes me feel better when people smile and say “it’s not Paddys day yet” I just laugh back and say “ah but my name is paddy so it’s my day everyday”.
You’re the living end.
“I wear this hat everyday to cover my exceptionally long head”
Similarly, I have to wear a jake the peg costume every day.
What about the 1400 child abuse victims in the UK found in Muslim controlled areas. The west calls it child abuse while the Muslims call it marriage. Time to take a serious review of integration policy in the west.
Not to mention Islamist school takeover in Birmingham. Britain major, major problems. And it’s only going to get worse. When you give an inch to these people they take a mile, and with liberal Britain it’s all give, to the detriment of the indigenous population.
Time to deport all muslims out of UK, impossible i know but there are places there i wouldnt want to be stranded and looking for help as I can only speak english !
Being politically correct is a curse, and all these human rights lawyers !!! I bet if a muslim moved in next door he wouldn’t be so accommodating !!
Jeez, its sounds like IDF on Gaza .
The pup in Cairo prison must be really sad to have missed-out on this latest Islamic slaughter opportunity.
Religion is great isn’t it? Particularly Islam. So peaceful.
Theses cowards are low life filthy savages….
And those from the West that trained them of course…
So this is real ab? But you can’t accept that an American journalist was treated in the same way. Is there such thing as western phobia??
Frank, I thought maybe you will tell us that this video is another fake like the last one?
Btw, you are a very tiresome individual.
” btw you are a very tiresome individual”
Pot/kettle Declan pot/kettle
Declan Noonan .. I already explained this.
We can expect to see a lot more of these gruesome videos until America gets its way to illegally enter Syria and fake their attacks on ISIS.
Glen, ditto!
Frank, that does not make sense. Why would the US enter Syria in order to fake attacks on Isis? Maybe your faithful friend glen will explain this. He’s a self proclaimed expert in “schools of thought”.
Go ahead glen.
Be careful dublinlad, Glenys might think you’re threatening him, he’s a sensitive boy.
ISIL completely fabricated enemy by US: Former CIA contractor
Excellent article and interview explaining the obvious.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/28/376913/isil-completely-fabricated-enemy-by-us/
Glen, aren’t you brilliant showing me that YouTube video. Yes, I live in Vermont and what else can you find for me to watch? How old are you glen? 16 maybe.
declan / dublinlad
look mate if you cant engage in a conversation without being a wisea$$ then don’t its that simple
Time to bring home our peacekeepers.
Them IS militant muck savages don’t care who they target…
Time to re-enforce them and let them bring their longer range support weapons, more like
I agree bring them home, the Golan heights are occupied territory in the first place, they should not be there.
Tom Red, you are right peacekeepers should not be trapped in the middle of a evil war.
All members of the IS should do us all a favour & gather in a desert somewhere and blow themselves up … End of.
To prove I’m not islamaphobic, I drew a cartoon of Allah! Will I stick it up??
it could blow up the internet, we need that.
After all the media hype of recent months over the Gaza situation, maybe the slow dawn will arise regarding the type of adverary these Muslim groups are and to what end they will strive to bring about their historic religious goals.. Whilst ever the Internet offers up a platform for this kind of propaganda the more it will feed into the frenzy of their savage actions.. Freedom of speech and liberty of expression now a price to those who are not voyeristic. Books on Islamic law closed from any form of jurisprudence and moderism, hence they act from a morality found back in the 1200′s.. The sooner the west wakes upto ensuring its new influx of citizen’s sign up to upholding a secular society along with a democratic one, then we can sleep safe in our beds..
Would never of happened if the USA had not invaded Iraq.
Would never happen if Qatar and Saudi stopped sponsoring them, or the world stopped buying Middle East oil etc…
But ISIS originated in Syria?
But ISIS would not be in Iraq in Saddam was still in power.
This was going on for 700 years before Colombus landed in America in 1492.
They certainly didn’t help and should not have gone in to Iraq but a reassertion of Islam by the masses was always inevitable given the secular regimes that so many Arab countries had.
The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in the 50′s by an Egyptian who was shocked at the way women carried on in 1950′s America, with skirts and uncovered heads etc.
It is progression of society that Islam has a problem with, much more so than America killing their enemy Saddam.
Seanie the Brotherhood was founded in 1928. The guy you’re referring to who travelled to America and was shocked at the lack of ‘morals’ was Sayyid Qutb, Brotherhood member and founder of ‘Qutbism’, and an inspirational figure for the likes of Bin Laden and Zawahiri and jihadists worldwide.
But ISIS originated in Syria?”
- No – Iraq – -when US threw out all the Sunnis – they created a vacumn into which stepped the antecedents of IS .
But yes – they fight in Syria for US – so if Obama bombs them – he will be on side of Assad – and he /US is trying to get rid of Assad !!.
”When the US army first detained Baghdadi in Fallujah in early 2004, he was considered little more than a “street thug.” But according to the Hisham al-Hasimini, an Iraqi scholar who studied Baghdadi’s background for Iraq’s intelligence agency, the current IS leader underwent a process of radicalization during his five years’ imprisonment in a US detention facility. “Iraqi to the core,” the Times writes, “his extremist ideology was sharpened and refined in the crucible of the American occupation.”
In subsequent years, Baghdadi surrounded himself with former members of Saddam’s Baathist party, who – despite their lack of credentials as radical Islamists – turned out to be key allies in the establishment of Al Qaeda in Iraq (the immediate antecedent to ISIS) as an insurgent movement, replete with its own army of jihadists, its own base of taxation (or extortion), its own oil revenues from the fields it managed to capture, and increasingly its own public services (like local transport and religious education) in the areas under its control.”
http://zcomm.org/znetarticle/the-islamic-state/
Would never happen if Qatar and Saudi stopped sponsoring them”
- Both are client states of US – and Syrian war is about getting Qutar pipeline thro Syria – - and US supplies vast amounts of weapons to both these states .
Saudi has US by #alls – because although they do not send oil to US they use petrodollars -
and if they stopped doing this the $ would tank.
Seems to me the best way to strangle IS is to cut off the money, they’d soon run out of fuel, munitions, food etc. cant be that difficult if the banks got their act together
Yeah, who is gonna tell the Saudis to cut funding to IS?
Seems to me the best way to strangle IS is to cut off the money, they’d soon run out of fuel, ‘;
- They own oil wells – FFS do some research
Obama please destroy these subhumans now
Obama is not going to destroy the militia that he worked so hard to create… they are doing such a tremendous job fighting his war against Bassar Al Assad in Syria..
USA has no intention of disbanding ISIS..those that believe they are are seriously disillusioned.
Modern world leaders in the west Cameron , Obama , Merkel appear to be reacting to ISIS and Russia in Ukraine just like Chamberlain and Roosevelt did with Hitler & Mussolini in the 30s ??? … How long before we hit breaking point ???
ISIS are make the IRA or other modern day terrorist groups look like choir boys, they are arguably one of the most dangerous terror groups the world has ever seen, who don’t think twice about chopping innocent people’s heads off, machine gunning blindfolded prisoners to death, not to mention their implementation of sharia law where you can have your hands cut off for stealing, or a girl can be sentenced to death for adultery. Call them what you want, psychotic, deranged, insane either way death is the only recipe for these people,and it’s time the Western world acted against them.
No abilitive or glen saying this is a fake, a CIA set up, a western propaganda tool, I wonder why?
Wesole ….it could well be true…. these Israeli US and Saudi trained terrorists have been trained by the West to be ruthless..
…. they have been hacking the heads off Christians in Syria for several years now with graphic videos posted on line so it could well be authentic…
The US is however working overtime looking for excuses to enter Syria and bomb the place and will capitalize on these videos in the mainstream media.
Islamic warriors have been hacking heads off from the very start of Islam.
The Islamic State and others like the Muslim Brotherhood etc etc hate innovation in Islam above all else. They pride themselves on following Mohammed’s life and actions and the commands of the Koran.
Everything they do has a precedent in Mohammed’s life or the Koran.
ISIS are not knew they are just representing a continuity going back to Mohammed.
Wesole
I take it you are referring to the Foley video. The question I raised on that particular video was the censorship.
Glen, your friend frank says that video is fake! You know he says that. Stop defending frank.
Frank ? who is that ?
I think the Japanese have the number one slot when it come to decapitation.
But I thought Islam was a Peace loving religion?….
Blessed are the Peacemakers…..
When they have subjugated their enemies apparently…
Jarlath, they won’t have any enemies, they want to kill them all.
Is there any chance that they could be slightly deluded. I mean that Muhammad fella didn’t really go to heaven on a white horse did he?
That was the Lone Ranger on the white horse, saw the movie in the Metropole.
he saw it on the tv he invented back then, they lost the machine but wrote about it, must be true too.
Obviously the USA is at fault because .
These IS lads are not your average Muslim three guys are created by circumstances within a country and bread on hate and revenge ,they are not religious in any real sense ,austerity in our country is creating a flow of support for for parties that would not have been considered a few years ago ,I am not comparing the actions of IS and our parties ,but the change of mindset in the people is the danger
What are you talking about? Sinn Féin and Jihad? These may be radicals and not representative of all Muslims but the fact remains that this religion is anti-Western and the civilised world is on a collission course with it. Until they join the 21st century like the rest of us, they are going to be at war with themselves and the rest of us. The US can pummel all these countries into the ground as far as I’m concerned.
Don’t call them lads. It implies upon them a friendly term. “These brutal savages” is more appropriate
ISIS need to be eradicated as quickly and publicly as possible.
Neither Russia or the US are doing much to stop the spread of ISIS from what I can see and it is not good enough to stand idly by and watch War Crimes being broadcast around the world.
The West did nothing when 2000 Lebanese citizens were killed in the 2006 Lebanon War, up to 40,000 were killed in Darfur, 5 million in the Second Congo War and we all know what happened in the Bosnian War. All in recent years.
We like to think we are cultured, that we live in peaceful times but the cold reality is that groups like ISIS will continue to massacre innocent people while they are let and the world will stand by unless there is something in it for them.
America would declare war on Russia if they started attacking ISIS.
Close the Clonskeagh Mosque. Shred the planning permission for the terrorist hub in CLongriffin. Ban the cult of Islam
They are killing their enemy, that what happens in war. If you counted the amount of people the Americans, Brits and Israelis killed over the past few years they would make Islamic State look very tame.
This is not nation state war, this is savages killing civilians in the name of Allah.
No, in a war you don’t kill POWs and you certainly don’t display their bodies
“They are killing their enemy”
They sure are. And their enemy just so happens to be anyone at all that isn’t a member of their group. From Western peace-keepers, to local Muslims who just aren’t “islamic enough”.
Wake up we are there enemy every westerner , christian ,jew , atheist and liberal muslim is the enemy of ISIS … How far are we going to let them go before NATO react ? … They need to be slaughtered in the desert before they bring their vile Jihad back to Europe & America
Children beheaded in war yeah?
i was once told, who are we to judge? judge what we ask. they say judge barbaric tradition that has been going on for 1000s of years and what? video taping it for internet spread 3000 years ago?
lol
@Wesole
And what was israel slaughtering babies in a beseiged refugee refugee camp in Gaza ?
That was pure israeli terrorism as well but America saw fit to supply the arms to do the slaughter for that gig.
French President Holland dose not want Syrian Government fighting ISIL….
He is afraid the Syrian Government will cause causalities among western supported ISIL terrorists that he has admitted to been supplying arms to… Readers comments sum up everything.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/28/376909/assad-no-ally-in-fight-against-isil/
What I can’t understand is why do the Syrian army continue to surrender in such large numbers, surely they know by now they will are guaranteed to be executed if they surrender. 160 of them were marched into the desert to their execution and they all seemed to just accept their fate. Assad is not going to get any help from the west and I think the west will only act when ISIS have gotten as far as Hama, they will then probably back “moderates” and bomb Assad as much as ISIS.
I think its rather simple,In most of the middle east is All about SEX (or lack thereof ) the sight of an uncovered women drives them mad, a simple look at them head hackers will tell you they all young males full of testosterone akin to a mob of soccer hulligans!
Imagine the effect on them if Miley Cyrus was to fly over them on the wing of a stunt plane. In the nuddy.
you’re pretty damn close there alright Taxi, i see it here on the streets. Only a matter of time till they lose control if they havent already.
Hurrah, they’re all going back home “The two addresses carry a similar message: Muslims cannot continue living in the West, which they refer to as dar al-kufr (abode of unbelief), and must emigrate for Allah’s sake to Muslim lands in order to save themselves from the “great punishment of Allah.”
New Al-Shabab Video Calls For Westerners – ‘Especially [Those In] Minnesota, Great Britain, [And] Germany’ – To Emigrate To Muslim Lands.
with their iPhones and dole in hand, be hard to let go which i doubt they will. Thats all talk to make them look devout. All BS, but then they’ll say, ‘we are taking from the west, to build our empire’, they come out with so much contradiction they make a mockery of themselves while disrespecting women, drinking alcohol, smoking and all those things they ‘pretend’ to be so much against.
No Irish taken. Well, that’s OK then.
They did give them a second option.take the ice bucket challenge and go on Facebook or off with your head. They choose wisely.
Why do we bother with these countries! Let them wipe each other out! We show some compassion for one side …the other comes to attack us! We need to stop interfering and arm the most civilised country out there and let them sort things out! I’ve given up caring
the plan is to let them wipe each other out, arm both sides and let eh… their human nature take its course. can take some time and pain, takes great patience but one never knows, patience may run out and a bomb will drop.
Isis are scary & barbaric but not half as scary as the federal reserve , rockefellers & Goldman Sachs , the rest of the corporate greed that makes a killing on war .
Mitch, your comment is truly moronic….
Baa baa
Fiona , will you please watch this .. It’s over 2 hours long but it grasps and prevents facts about what I’m trying to express .. Take time to watch it, and make up your own mind http://youtu.be/EewGMBOB4Gg
religon is d devil
Maybe if America stayed out of the middle east and stopped supporting their terrorist land robbing murdering stooge israel, it might help….
Those Muslim boyo’s love their oul’ videos, don’t they? Have they never been Ice Bucket nominated, I wonder? Obviously, they can’t tune in to Geordie Shore, or X-Factor or Corrie out there, ah pity. If we had their address we could send them out a nice box-set, maybe Highlights from 50years of the Angelus, or 10 years of back to back episodes of Fair City, hmmmm…,,that would cool their jets ok!!
As john Lennon said , imagine a world without religion .
Some of these Jihadists are born and raised in the West where they were offered great opportunitis in life.They turned their backs on them choosing life of terror and death in Syria and Iraq.And ironicly there are many people from these countries who risk their lives trying to enter Europe on overloaded boats to escape poverty and war!!!
America caused this vacuum and are responsible for allowing ISIS to grow. They have made the world a more dangerous place. They need to deal with ISIS. Also we need to come down hard on Islamic terrorists in this country and not harbour war criminals. The Christians are being butchered and no response. The danger is that will spread in future years to mainland Europe and we should close our borders to terrorists,their families and supporters
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