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Sculpture of hurlers in Kilkenny city. Alamy Stock Photo

Commission had 'sleepless nights' over transferring Kilkenny's oldest GAA club into Tipperary

A staunchly black and amber area will now vote alongside their nearby rivals.

THE HEAD OF the Electoral Commission said he had “sleepless nights” over the transfer of members of Kilkenny’s oldest GAA club into Tipperary.

The State body will next launch an initiative to encourage people in “to get out and vote” in their constituency, amid concern that “apathy” may set in following the boundary change.

Art O’Leary made the remarks while explaining the commission’s decision to shift 13 electoral districts in the Urlingford area of west Co Kilkenny – numbering 6,400 people – into the newly formed Tipperary North constituency.

Included in the move is Tullaroan GAA – the oldest in the county and native club of legendary hurlers including the nine-time All-Star Tommy Walsh.

And sporting tradition was something that that the Electoral Commission took into consideration, O’Leary told The Journal.

“We understood when looking at this that county boundaries are something people are very protective of,” he said.

However, the commission found this “just wasn’t possible” in certain instances such as Kilkenny because the constitution requires 30,000 people per TD. 

“Tullaroan, the oldest hurling club in Kilkenny, is now voting in Tipperary,” O’Leary said.

“There are 6,431 people from Urlingford down as far as Tullaroan, and that’s a difficulty for them and something they will be disappointed with I’m sure.

“It’s no consolation for me to say to them that this issue gave us sleepless nights.”

‘Disenfranchised’

Kilkenny Fianna Fáil TD John McGuinness said the transfer of more than 6,400 people had “cut deep into the county” with the risk people will feel “disenfranchised” and “apathetic” as a result.

This was echoed by fellow Kilkenny TD and Minister for Electoral Reform Malcolm Noonan who told local radio KCLR FM that some people in west Kilkenny may feel “disenfranchised” over the changes due to how “deeply connected” people feel to their communities.

McGuinness added that there is a risk people will fail to turn out at the ballot box come the next general election.

“People might laugh but the people there are proud of hurling and a connection which has been reinforced by the GAA and parish and so on, and there is a lot of rivalry there with Tipperary. They will not like this and they might not bother to vote.”

He added that “all services”, ranging from the local council to education, are attached to Kilkenny rather than Tipperary.

“They’ve after sending a significant cut of voters elsewhere which is just unnecessary.”

In its report, the Commission said that it received submissions seeking for Carlow to form a constituency of its own.

While it “did consider dividing the Carlow-Kilkenny constituency” into two three-seat constituencies based on county lines, it found that the population of Carlow didn’t support this move.

“I’ve been describing this whole process as a battle between maths and geography and on this occasion, the maths left us with no choice,” O’Leary said.  

“To get the population of Carlow0Kilkenny down in order to keep it as a five-seater, we looked at moving parts of south Kilkenny into Waterford [and] into Wexford, but the maths simply didn’t work.

“If you move Ferrybank for instance into Waterford, Waterford then becomes too big to stay as as four-seater and needs to grab some more population to become a five-seater. That would necessitate bringing Carick-on-Suir from south Tipperary into Waterford.”

McGuinness, who has been a TD since 1997, described the Urlingford area as a “strong part” of his base and said he will now have to “make it up somewhere else” in the constituency.

When asked about apathy setting in among voters, O’Leary said it was a “valid” concern.

“The academic research in this space would seem to indicate exactly that point so Deputy McGuinness is correct in that.

“This is a recommendation of the Electoral Commission and it is our job to work with the people of Urlingford to encourage them to get out and vote.

“As a community of six-and-a half-thousand, they have a significant voice in politics. So it’s our job to encourage them to get on the elcroral reigster, get out and vote.”

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    Mute Rob Goodbody
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    Aug 30th 2023, 5:56 PM

    It’s only the Dáil constituency boundary, not the county boundary. Get over it!

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    Mute Tom Leddy
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:37 PM

    I really don’t understand why we needed more TD’s. They’ll be pushing each other out of the way at funerals now.

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    Mute Claire Cleere
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    Aug 30th 2023, 5:44 PM

    For all the good the Kilkenny politicians do we’re better off!!

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    Mute Paddy Up
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:20 PM

    It does have an effect though. Look at Carrick on Suir, half in Tipp half in Waterford but in Tipp constituency and on the boarder of Kilkenny, but more importantly ignored by all three. Urlingford will be the same. Parochialism will always win out in Ireland.

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    Mute Susan
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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:34 PM

    There are knock on consequences of moves like this that cannot be understated. If you are a community on the margins of a constituency where your population is not truly represented as its split up you will forever be fighting for politicians to help you because you do not have the clout to put them out of office. This in the long run can be disastrous. Ask the people of Charleville whose proximity to county Limerick means much of the towns footfall don’t vote in Cork. They had to go to the streets to beg the government and council to stop making decisions about infrastructure that are costing lives of people on the street. This is only one example of many all over the country.

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    Mute Denis Slattery
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:43 PM

    6400 Cats voting in the Premier elections !
    No Way!
    Build a wall around Gortnahoe !!

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    Mute Seán
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    Aug 30th 2023, 5:50 PM

    H’on the parish

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    Mute john mounsey
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:31 PM

    Thanks to the election commission, Tipp will really be the home of hurling.

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    Mute Willie Marty
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:10 PM

    Might be changed back again before any of them win an All Ireland.

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    Mute Joe Doe
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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:00 PM

    Is there anything to be said for building a wall???

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    Mute Patrick J. Ryan
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:20 PM

    Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire, go deimhin

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Aug 30th 2023, 7:37 PM

    Every one hates Tipperary
    Yet they think people love them

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    Mute Hugh De Payans
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    Aug 31st 2023, 5:57 AM

    @Martin Ryan: Kilkenny more widely disliked. Fact.

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    Mute john mounsey
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    Aug 30th 2023, 6:29 PM

    Be a gas karma if the likes of Tommy and Jackie Tyrell cast their votes for the enemy!

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    Mute Mindful Muinteoir
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    Aug 30th 2023, 10:52 PM

    This whole exercise is supposed to be about representation. Will the people of Nth Kilkenny BE represented by Nth Tipp politicians? (if not, why should they bother voting). They haven’t even managed to include ‘Kilkenny’ in the name of this newly formed Electoral District (unlike every other ED in the country new or otherwise!!)

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    Aug 30th 2023, 10:55 PM

    @Mindful Muinteoir: ps. I imagine splitting Kilkenny & Carlow would have lost the area the green TD who happened to be presiding over this entire process. But shhh

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    Mute john christopher
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    Aug 30th 2023, 9:21 PM

    Oh I can imagine them pacing the floor with thier tough decisions.Do they think we believe this junk

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    Mute Brendan Broderick
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    Aug 31st 2023, 3:39 PM

    The name of the new constituency ignores the annexed portion of west Kilkenny. That in itself is cause for an insurgency.

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