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General Secretary Phil Ni Sheaghdha from the INMO. Sam Boal

Start talks with private hospitals now to avoid disastrous winter, INMO chief to tell Minister

Medical organisations are to warn Donnelly that by December ‘it will be too late’.

THE GENERAL SECRETARY of the Irish Nurses and Midwives Association (INMO) is asking Stephen Donnelly to initiate early talks with private hospitals on contracting additional bed capacity for the winter at a high-level meeting set for today. 

Speaking to The Journal ahead of the multi-stakeholder meeting, Phil Ni Sheaghdha said that if the Government waits until December to start negotiations with private hospitals, as it did last year, it will be “too late – with disastrous consequences for patient outcomes”. 

Ni Sheaghdha is looking for key assurances from Donnelly at today’s Emergency  Department Task Force meeting – which he agreed to in response to the union’s demands in light of soaring trolley numbers. 

“Last winter was an extremely hard one for patients and staff due to the extreme overcrowding hospitals faced,” the nursing union chief said. 

“The Government waited until mid-December to start negotiations for extra bed capacity with private hospitals. Those conversations need to happen much earlier this year if we want to avoid another dangerous winter,” Ni Sheaghdha said. 

At the height of the hospital overcrowding crisis at the start of January last year, during a surge in respiratory illnesses, a record 931 patients were admitted to Irish hospitals without beds in one day. 

At the time, the Health Minister said the situation was likely to worsen before it got better.

Donnelly’s team have agreed to present an update on the progress that has been made on establishing the three elective hospitals that were promised under Slaintecare planning. 

We now understand that the elective hospitals in Cork, Galway, and Dublin will now be for day patients only. We think that is a mistake. 

“It isn’t day patients that are blocking up the system, it is patients who are in overnight.

“We need to know if there is any chance of those new acute hospitals being on the pitch come January.

“Going into this winter without them in place, we don’t believe that we will have a story this year that is any different to 2022,” Ni Sheaghdha said. 

What’s the plan? 

As the recently appointed Health service CEO Bernard Gloster announced at the INMO conference, this winter will be the first in many that will see the HSE operating without a Winter Plan in place. 

His idea, which was met with enthusiastic applause by work weary nurses back in May, was that overcrowding in Ireland’s hospital is now a year-round crisis, that needs to be planned for constantly. 

That line has recently been echoed by politicians, including Taoiseach Leo Varadkar just a few weeks back. 

It worked for Gloster at the time as an soundbite which indicated that under him, the HSE would be doing things differently.

In July, the health service’s Urgent and Emergency Care Operational Plan was published. 

It consisted of more than just theoretical guidelines, and gave ambitious targets for the service to meet: 

  • No patient aged over 75 years will wait for more than 24 hours in our EDs
  • Hospitals would not exceed 440 cases of delayed transfers of care at one time
  • No more than 320 people should be waiting for beds on trolleys each day. 

Already, the HSE has failed to meet its target for reducing the number of patients left waiting on trolleys every day since the aim was set, bar five. 

Ireland had the worst July and August for overcrowding since the INMO began recording trolley count figures in 2004. 

More children waiting on trolleys

Last month alone, 9,720 patients were admitted to hospitals without a bed, with University Hospital Limerick and Cork University Hospital being the most overcrowded. 

The number of children admitted without beds rose to 167. 

Ni Sheaghdha told The Journal that all the information the INMO has available to it suggests that when this winter presents the usual surge in respiratory illnesses and increased ED attendance, hospitals will once again be pushed to crisis point. 

“It is not a coincidence that the increase we have recorded in children waiting on a bed on trolleys coincides with the extension of free GP care to an older age cohort of children. The GPs have come out and said they cannot provide additional care to any more patients. So where do those children end up? In emergency departments, and in some cases, on trolleys without a bed. 

“What we need to know after this meeting is what the actual dates are for the opening of the new Children’s Hospital,  and what is being done in terms of workforce planning, because we know that without staff in place, it will not be able to open,” she explained. 

The INMO is going to raise the impact that the housing crisis is having on the ability of hospitals to recruit and retain staff. 

Ni Sheaghdha said that recently, Our Ladies Hospital in Navan advertised 7 permanent staff nursing posts, and received 100 applicants who were all already working in Dublin hospitals and nursing homes. 

“They were all seeking to move employment in order to have cheaper rent, and a lower cost of living. The migration of healthcare staff out of Dublin to other hospitals is just going to cause serious staffing issues in some of the city’s biggest hospitals down the line. 

“Graduate and early career nurses need more support to live in Dublin and other cities, when the cost of living is so high,” she added. 

Ni Sheaghdha further explained that the HSE will be providing performance updates on different hospitals, including on conversion rates. 

“What I mean by that is, the amount of patients who are being admitted when they attend EDs in each of our 29 admitting hospitals. If there is variance in the figures hospital to hospital, we are going to be asking what has caused it,” she said. 

University Hospital Waterford has taken an alternative policy approach to solving  hospital overcrowding, which has been hailed as a success by figures in the medical community. 

The hospital has purchased hospital beds locally (including step-down beds in local nursing homes) to help ease its capacity issues, and has put in place a culture of getting patients who enter through the ED as quickly as possible, even if it means cancelling elective procedures in some cases. 

Ni Sheaghdha said that the INMO will be asking the HSE and the Minister if this plan can be rolled out in other regions. 

“Waterford’s policy of de-escalation is working. It means that when patients are all over the place on chairs and trolleys, staff work extremely hard to get them into beds. It means that their waiting lists is are longer than other hospitals, but that is because it has accepted that it cannot provide two services at once with its current bed capacity. 

“We know coming into winter that that is a dilemma every hospital will face, we know that the hospitals that continue to try to do both will copper-fasten and make worse the trolley numbers and waiting times. 

“If we are constantly aiming to try and increase our bed capacity, but don’t change the way we use those beds, we are not going to see improved outcomes,” Ni Sheaghdha added. 

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    Sep 18th 2023, 12:41 AM

    Population is rising from births to open borders

    That leads to this and housing shortage and school placement crisis and more traffic and breakdown of social cohesion

    Fail to plan, plan to fail!

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    Sep 18th 2023, 1:59 AM

    It’s so easy to blame immigration for overcrowding and housing. Fake profile

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    Sep 18th 2023, 2:11 AM

    @John Deane:

    its sooooooooooo easy to blame TERRIBLE govt. actions for open borders and the poo state we are in right now

    last 3 years have gotten soooooooooo bad

    dont 4get ROG minister for open borders/kids etc legit went on social media and told the world to come here to get a “forever home” all during a bloody housing crisis

    dont 4get the 3 biggest crime stories last here were

    1: Aisling Murphy murder
    2: Gang r a p e in the midlands by non Irish
    3: Sligo gay killings

    see today in news, non national stabbing in dublin airport

    over 60% of asylum seekers coming here (OFFICAL govt stats btw) “lose” their ID’s

    last week we had islam terrorists being arrested here

    organ trafficking
    child trafficking
    sex trafficking

    last month, a well known Nigerian gang “black axe” over 3 dozen members were arrested here

    thats all just recent btw

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    Sep 18th 2023, 3:24 AM

    @John Deane: Stop shouting about nothing, explain how he is wrong. Immigration is not the root cause of our problems, but it is obviously an aggravating factor. If you cannot see or admit to that, then you are the problem. It’s not that complicated, dude.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 3:31 AM

    @Mike:

    John lives in a far left commie bubble

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    Sep 18th 2023, 4:30 AM

    @empty: If he could give forward an actual point, I would be all ears.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 5:00 AM

    @Mike:

    u have eyes and ears and still u choose to ignore basic things

    u r on the wrong side of history and common sense

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    Sep 18th 2023, 6:15 AM

    @empty: How am I on the wrong side of history? I’m agreeing with you. Reread the comments ffs

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:06 AM

    @John Deane: How is he wrong though?

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:12 AM

    @empty: Jayses this dregs of a comment thread is why comments close on this site. What utter rubbish to blame immigration for every crisis ever created. The government have been falling asleep while housing and health have crumbled for a decade now. Most of Dublin’s vicious assaults have been committed by people born, bred and raised here.
    And as for a cohesive society, maybe reach out to them instead of whinging from your echo chamber while they try to make it in this gloomy country. Immigrants aren’t the one making it so unaffordable to live that tech and property are the only job paths to continue living in Dublin. They aren’t the ones that have society losing its essential jobs as emigrating Irish people look elsewhere for a better life.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:38 AM

    @John Deane: course its to blame ffs

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:39 AM

    @empty: and the stabbing at our Airport

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:46 AM

    @empty: what I see there that you have listed is humans committing crimes against other humans & that you’re completely racist!

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    Sep 18th 2023, 8:47 AM

    @empty: Troll

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    Sep 18th 2023, 4:26 AM

    Health system broken, Housing crisis, No teachers, Garda recruitment and retention crisis, Embassies issuing warnings to their citizens about Ireland. Useless transport infrastructure outside Dublin. Knife crime and sex crime on the rise. Haven’t we enough of our own problems to fix, before allowing anymore freeloaders into the country to make our pre-existing problems worse? It’s like pouring petrol on an out of control fire at this stage.

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    @Nessan Keane: Are you being racist towards petrol? We don’t like that kinda talk round heeeyuhh…

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    Sep 18th 2023, 5:52 AM

    @Mike: Nah, I love all fossil fuels equally.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 6:09 AM

    @Nessan Keane: That’s alright then ; )

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:50 AM

    @Nessan Keane: no embassy has issued warnings about Ireland stop with the misinformation

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    Sep 18th 2023, 10:01 AM

    @Alan Scott:
    The United States Embassy in Dublin issued a security alert for American travelers following an attack on a U.S. visitor.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 1:23 AM

    Tell the HSE to stop throwing away money like it’s confetti.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:43 AM

    This government operates an open door policy for everyone and anyone coming in and a closed door policy for Irish born citizens.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 8:53 AM

    @Patrick Presley: racists are out of bed early, is it dole day?

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    Sep 18th 2023, 12:55 PM

    @Peter Barnwallace: No racists here just a lot of woke fairies

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    Sep 18th 2023, 2:05 PM

    @Peter Barnwallace: I’m sure you’d know

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    Sep 18th 2023, 5:35 AM

    Minister is conspicuous by his absence.We have had some bad ministers for health but surely he must be the most inactive.God be good to Dr. Noel Browne.He didnt stand on the sidelines or stay silent.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 8:52 AM

    @Willie Marty: I heard him 3 times last week being interviewed on radio

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    Sep 18th 2023, 9:38 AM

    @Peter Barnwallace: all you heard was a waffler.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 6:27 AM

    Phil Ni Sh doesn’t seem to realise she is the head of the nurses union and not the head of a patients organisation, it’s the HSEs job to ensure patient care and standards associated with that are up to scratch, if she was doing her job nurses would be earning at least what teachers earn and could then better afford to live in this country. It seems that Ms Ni Sh and the govt are happy to see nurses paid below their worth while most of the country believe they should be better remunerated considering the skills they need and the emotional and physical nature of the job.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 5:49 AM

    Encourage people to take a good source of vitamins, especially vitamin D, from October til April which is a barrier against viruses. Prevention is better than the cure. Children up to 18 years should be encouraged to eat more fruit and vegetables and less fast foods, pizzas etc. Watching CNN and their advertisements are all about helping yourself to a healthy lifestyle, not about bookies and beer here in ireland.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:50 AM

    Its okay, sure once covid pops up again, the hse management will just hide behind that as the excuse for a poor health service this winter like they have done for the past 2 years. Maybe its time the PAC start looking at this 24 billion black hole monster

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:48 AM

    Typical HSE, send the patients somewhere else but still spend €20 bn+ on providing a service. Because we’re worth it?

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    Sep 18th 2023, 7:56 AM

    Haven’t seen her since she was out last winter pushing the vax.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 8:42 AM

    @Uncomfortable Truth: Really? She’s been quoted quite a bit in the past few months in various media and news outlets.

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    Sep 18th 2023, 12:01 PM

    Hilarious. Health sector an absolute mess. Leads a lot of people to pay for health insurance. You pay for health insurance you are a bigger mug now again because the benefits of this insurance won’t be available because the government have contracted the private hospital beds. Which still won’t put much of a dent in the abysmal state of the public health system. The health sector is laughable in this country.

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    Sep 19th 2023, 1:30 AM

    This would suggest that other winters were not a disaster and that THIS SYSTEM didn’t unnecessarily cause deaths of vulnerable and elderly patients. THEY DID THIS. The HSE is mismanaged, it isn’t remotely underfunded

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