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Concerns raised that parents of pre-schoolers had no say in Catholic school divestment scheme

A new state strategy aimed at securing scores more school ethos changes will be announced soon.

MULTI-DENOMINATIONAL ORGANISATIONS raised concerns with the Minister for Education last year about whether parents’ voices would be heard under a pilot scheme that was supposed to kickstart divestment of Catholic primary schools.

Documents released to The Journal under Freedom of Information show concerns were raised by two multi-denominational school organisations – An Foras Patrúnachta and Educate Together – just days after Minister for Education Norma Foley announced the pilot for eight areas with no multi-denominational national school in March 2022.

The Schools Reconfiguration for Diversity pilot covered eight suburbs and towns across the country but has resulted in only two schools transferring to the patronage of their local Education and Training Boards.

One of the concerns raised in the patron bodies’ letter was that the pilot did not have a “clear mechanism” for parents of pre-school children to be consulted on their preferences.

Aodhán Ó Riordán, a Labour Party TD and former national school principal, believes the design of the pilot, which included some schools in his Dublin Bay North constituency, was inherently biased in favour of the status quo

“Without an advocate for change, and with those parents in sixth class having more of a say than parents of those aged 2 or 3, you are obviously going to have a situation where the status quo remains,” he said.

Eighty-eight percent of primary schools in the state are currently under Catholic patronage, with only about 5% of all schools multi-denominational. 

The Department of Education is now planning a fresh push to change more Catholic primary schools to multi-denominational ones following the lacklustre success of the pilot.

However, it did not confirm whether parents of pre-school children will be consulted this time.

It said this weekend it is “currently exploring the scope and arrangements for a potential survey of primary schools in relation to reconfiguration and details will be announced in due course”.

The Department said it would announce details by the end of the year on how it will fulfil the government’s pledge to achieve a target for at least 400 multi-denominational primary schools by 2030, more than double the number today.

The forthcoming divestment strategy comes after Census 2022 results published this week revealed a 10 percentage point drop in the number of people who identify as Catholic to 69% of the population. Fourteen per cent of the population have no religion.

In their letter to the minister in March 2022, the multi-denominational patron bodies said: “From the ‘Schools Reconfiguration for Diversity’ documents that have been made available, we are concerned that there does not seem to be a clear mechanism for parents and families to have their voices heard on the type of school that will result from any transfers.”

“It is our view that the Department’s pilot programme should meaningfully engage with local parents, and that all members of the school community, as well as parents of pre-school children, should be offered the opportunity to have their voices heard on any transfer of school patronage,” the patron bodies said.

David Graham of campaign group Education Equality, which wants an end to religious education in state-funded schools, said families who had sent their children outside their local area to access a multi-denominational school had also been excluded by a process that surveyed existing Catholic school communities.

Aodhán Ó Riordán said undue influence was given under the pilot scheme to school staff and parents whose children were already in school, with no-one charged with advocating in favour of divestment.

“No-one is showing the vision of what change could be, allaying fears, telling people their greatest fear is not something they should be concerned about,” Ó Riordán said.

Ó Riordán said the pilot had had an “unreasonably truncated timeline”, with decisions expected to be made by December 2022 to allow transfers of patronage for the current school year, while the schemes goals and decision-making processes were “ill-defined”.

The Department said of its forthcoming strategy: “The goal remains to establish a strong process, that has the support of patrons and local communities, and which will enable us to continue to increase the number of multi-denominational primary schools across the country.”

Parents of pre-school children in 16 areas were surveyed under an earlier pilot scheme in 2018.

However the findings of these surveys have never been released. The Journal sought these surveys in recent weeks under Freedom of Information from the Education and Training Boards that conducted them but the requests have been declined, on the basis that school reconfiguration is ongoing and release of the information could affect decision-making processes.

Educate Together said parents of primary and pre-school children and others in the school community should have a role in deciding the type of schools in their area. It also wants annual ring-fenced funding put in place to support school reconfiguration. 

“The state has a target of 400 multi-denominational primary schools by 2030, but to date there has been no clear strategy, targets or plan to achieve this, and no designated funding,” it said.

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    Oct 26th 2023, 9:49 PM

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    @Daniel Gilroy: Leo is lovin life over in Brussels. Tailored suit, Opulent gatherings, best of everything. Give the guy a break. He had to go along with them if he wants to get ahead in those circles. Importantly, he looked great! I thought he really pulled off the PM look. It’s just war crimes. No need to go over the top and ask for a cessation. Big picture baby!

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    Oct 27th 2023, 1:29 AM

    @William Tallon: By pointing out that people are not staying on topic, you yourself stray from the topic of the article. At least it’s something worthwhile that they’re commenting on. Thousands of children blown up in two weeks. Dead

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    @Sean: Somewhat convoluted yet flawed reasoning on your part. Worthwhile subjects are worthy of worthwhile comments. Maybe you should read the content of some of those posts again? I’d hardly consider them worthy of the subject matter…

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    @William Tallon: Settle down with all this “convoluted yet flawed” business unless you can point to the flaws. Maybe you’re right. I don’t know. I don’t know what ones you find not “worthy”, that’s subjective. I just heard you complain because you don’t agree with something someone says while you were excusing censorship. If they said something incorrectly then argue that. We should confront inaccuracies and disprove them, not censor them. Group think can be deadly so shutting out ideas is never a good idea. There’s a reason freedom of expression is enshrined in our Constitution. Some of the stuff on here is terrible. I agree with you completely there. But let’s discourage censorship please. Have a good night/morning!

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    @Mike smith: Biden is right to ask questions. After all, Hamas claimed Israel blew up a hospital killing over 500 people, when in fact it was a Hamas rocket which landed in the car park of the hospital.

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    @: Why did the Israeli propaganda bloke claim it was a great Israeli success in a tweet? Was his account hacked? Plenty of evidence that it was Israel, specifically the warning attack and message to hospital management a few days before. Don’t believe anything the Israeli lying machine says.

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    @Mike smith: We can’t say for sure what happened in the hospital car park, but we can say for sure that the Israelis are lying about it. Check out the Channel 4 analysis on YouTube. It made three points. First, Doppler analysis shows that the missile approached from the East, not south west. Second, the recording of Hamas guys presented by Israelis was clearly doctored. Third, analysis of the impact crater again shows it came in opposite direction that Israelis claim. There are still unanswered questions but check out that video and see if you still believe Israelis claims.

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    Oct 27th 2023, 1:25 AM

    I agree. Well said. You cannot be the same person who wrote the sh,te I read earlier. If there’s more than one of you on here without a profile then one of you is going to have to fix that s.,t. Get an avatar or something

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    @Sean: No different person. I rarely comment and that was my first in days. The app accepts a name but doesn’t tag my comments with it.

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