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Youth mental health service 'largely non-existent' and discrimination rife, Committee hears

Parents representing families who have sought support for their children have criticised “lack of joined up thinking” within both CAMHS and the HSE.

THE CHILDREN’S MENTAL health service is “largely non-existent” and discrimination against autistic children and children with disabilities is rife, an Oireachtas committee has heard.

Parents representing families who have sought support for their children have criticised “lack of joined up thinking” within both CAMHS and the HSE, which has forced many to pay for private mental healthcare, while others suffer for years for lack of intervention.

review into the service, published in July 2023, found that the UN Rights of the Child may have been breached for children with mental illness in Ireland, due to long waiting lists, “lost” cases, lack of emergency and out-of-hours services, and more. 

Issues within CAMHS have been well-documented. A part of the review that focused on the experiences of people using the service in the northwest reported that a “depressed, anxious and suicidal” child had to wait a year for a mental health appointment.

Another parent in the same area said that when she asked a question about her child’s future she was told by a clinician that it was “above my pay grade” and that other inappropriate comments were made to her.

Addressing the Oireachtas Joint Committee on Health, campaign group Families for Reform of CAMHS, which was set up last summer, made two main demands. 

They asked that the government take on board and implement the mental health commission’s 49 recommendations to reform CAMHS. These include the regulation of the service.

Speaking to the Committee, Social Democrats TD Róisín Shorthall said this step was particularly essential as “we cannot depend either on the HSE or the Department to be upfront”.

The group also called for an end to discrimination against autistic children and children with intellectual disabilities in the service.

Some 85% of its members that have an autistic child said that having a diagnosis of autism negatively impacted the support they received.

Since September 2022, children with intellectual disabilities are no longer accepted by CAMHS but are to be seen by the specialist service known as CAMHS-ID. However, this service “largely doesn’t exist”, the group says, as only about a third of the 16 teams required across the country have been established.

“Members mentioned that anxiety or depression was just dismissed as being part of autism rather than acknowledging and offering support for the actual mental health issues being experienced,” representative Hannah Ní Ghiolla Mhairtín said.

“For most of our members, it wasn’t until we went looking for help, that we realised that mental health supports and a functioning mental health service is largely non-existent in Ireland, that children nationwide are being failed and our families left alone without adequate support at a time when we need it most.”

Ní Ghiolla Mhairtín  said that even when families are “in the door”, many challenges remain.

“Therapeutic supports are extremely hard to access and children are often only offered medication,” she said.

“We have families who were told that their child would be discharged if they did not accept medication. We have families who have been discharged and not told about it.

“We have families who were left without support when weaning their child off serious medications.”

Some 12% of the group’s members have a care plan and key worker for their child. More than a third would like to make a complaint but have chosen not to “because they are worried about how it would impact their child’s care”. 

There are currently around 4,400 children awaiting first-time CAMHS appointments.

“And it is hard to sum up the feelings you experience as your child’s mental health is deteriorating and you are unsure whether support will come too late,” Ní Ghiolla Mhairtín said.

“The government and the HSE have acknowledged service deficits and yet we have seen no real reform nor no real commitment to bring about change.

“And children continue to suffer as a result.”

Cathaoirleach Sean Crowe TD described the figures as “frightening” and “scandalous”, and called for cross-party support to solve the problems.

Green Party TD Neasa Hourigan highlighted that yesterday the list of bills that are to be prioritised this year was published by the government.

“I was really surprised to see that the reform of the Mental Health Act 2001 wasn’t one,” she said, considering it completed pre-legislative scrutiny in May 2022.

“Much of our legislation and particularly that piece of legislation doesn’t vindicate the rights of persons with disabilities or who might be neurodivergent, and it certainly doesn’t bring us into line with the UNCRPD (United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities).”

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:20 PM

    Permanently deleted my FB account last November and it was the best thing I did. I felt it was a complete waste of my time and was becoming more and more of a negative place. Now it’s great when I meet people cause I don’t know everything about them and makes for great conversation.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:33 PM

    @Nollaig Elliot: The alternative is to be friends on FB with your actual friends! As opposed to the 500 or so that you had!

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:04 PM

    @James Mahon: Very true James, it got out of hand though. I traveled a fair bit over the years and it was convenient. However, after I finished a big trip last year it was always my plan to pull the plug then.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:16 PM

    @James Mahon: Totally agree. Did a big cull of my FB “friends ” recently and it’s great.
    Think it’s a good place for joining groups that have similar interests etc.

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    May 22nd 2017, 11:52 PM

    @Nollaig Elliot: I find it very useful to follow interests of mine, get notified of events I might be interested in and get access to news which might otherwise not cross my path.
    I do know of people who use it to post a lot of what I would consider useless information but that’s their choice and I can easily avoid that if I want!
    Bottom line is it’s a communication tool and how you use it is up to you.

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    May 23rd 2017, 11:06 AM

    @Nollaig Elliot: I did something similar, last november it was so bad, i have under 20 US facebook friends yet all their posts were saturating my timeline so i turned off all post notifications and have opened the app about 4 times since then to reply to some things that are commented on in my posts taken from twitter and youtube, i use facebook messenger frequently and because that’s a separate app i don’t have to worry about seeing stupid posts from people anymore.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:06 PM

    About as arbitrary as The Journals rules so…

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:49 PM

    I’d love to see the Guardian’s moderation policy.
    ‘If you’re not of liberal persuasion do not enter this site’

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:16 PM

    In most cases trolls are ridiculed and put down by decent people on forums such as Facebook. A self censoring mechanism that we have in society already. The problem like they have now in Germany is that when governments get involved they usually infringe on free speech. A slippery slope indeed.

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    May 22nd 2017, 6:57 PM

    Suckerburg and his cronies support hate speech. That is a fact.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:23 PM

    Deleted Facebook yesterday.Best thing EVER!!!!but I’ve nowhere to post or tell people so il post it here on a Facebook article

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:33 PM

    @The Magnificent Hog: It is not a personal thing, it just makes money.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:12 PM

    Facebook is a private commercial entity they can do as they please. It’s a very successful business model that works. Some people have the mind set that it’s a public service.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:33 PM

    @Baz Breen: No commercial entity can do as they please all are bound by the laws of each and every country they operate in. Facebooks private policy etc etc is irrelevant if it violates the law, or a persons human right, which is why they are so careful as indeed is the Journal no one is exempt,

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:02 PM

    Animal abuse is ok by facebook. you know what to do facebook users – delete ur account.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:22 PM

    The guardian reported this earlier this morning, breaking news from the journal

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:31 PM

    @Jonny:
    The article mentions the fact that the Guardian published this yesterday.
    This one’s an exclusive for people who only read the Journal.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:31 PM

    Off topic but Edward Snowden said that if you want privacy then you need to throw away all your devices and start living in a cave.

    Delete your Facebook and stop shoving those screens into your babies faces

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:42 PM

    @The Grand O’Malley: there are techniques to maintaining privacy on Facebook and not just through privacy settings.

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:55 PM

    Perhaps the Journal could be just as clear in explaining why it bans people…???

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:43 PM

    There is life and there is Facebook.

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    May 22nd 2017, 7:55 PM

    Be careful what you say on facebook. I got a three day ban on facebook for calling someone an idiot. Plenty of snowflakes on facebook. Facebook is getting pathetic each day

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    May 22nd 2017, 8:41 PM

    @Just Some Guy: I feel your pain. Not being able call peole “idiots” is such an impairment of freedom of expression. Calling people “idiots” helps them to accept their errors. It is a highly effective and persuasive technique and develops a point very nicely.

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    May 22nd 2017, 10:14 PM

    @Tony Daly: Very true, I’ve also had posts deleted because someone with a delicate disposition found them offensive. Whips & chains I could understand, maybe even blood and guts, but mention anything about a certain Middle Eastern religion and certain people loose their collective minds… Incidentally I didn’t say a word.

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    May 22nd 2017, 9:01 PM

    The main issue with Facebook and its content is who views it. Pictures of difficult or upsetting themes are good as they are thought provoking . The issue is too many children lie about their age and view images not suitable for them

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    May 26th 2017, 3:05 PM

    i got banned 3 times fro speaking the truth about certain people

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