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Burton 'playing politics with people's fears' over proposed disability cut

The Social Protection Minister has been advised of a proposal to cut disability allowance payments for under 18s in the forthcoming budget, the second leak in two weeks from her department.

SOCIAL PROTECTION MINISTER Joan Burton has been accused of playing politics with people’s fears following a report today that the disability allowance paid to under 18s could be abolished in December’s Budget.

The Irish Times reports that an expert group – the Advisory Group on Tax and Social Welfare – has proposed to increase the minimum qualifying age for disability allowance payments from 16 t0 18 with a compensation payment made to the teenager’s parent or guardian.

The proposal has been met with criticism from Sinn Féin which noted that it was the second proposal from the group that has been leaked to the media in the last two weeks following a proposal to reduce child benefit to €100 per child which was leaked to RTÉ last week.

The Department of Social Protection did not comment on the second leak in two weeks and whether it was taking steps to address the matter when asked by TheJournal.ie today.

It would also not say when the recommendations made by the advisory group, which is being chaired by barrister Ita Mangan, would be made available to the public saying that this would only happen “at the appropriate time”.

A statement said: “The Group’s terms of reference provide for a range of issues to be considered including: child and family income supports, working age income supports, the appropriate unit of assessment in both the tax and social welfare codes, the interaction of the tax and social welfare codes, and issues concerning social insurance for self-employed people.

“Following Budget 2012, the Minister requested the Group to examine and report on the policy objectives underpinning the budgetary proposals relating to Disability Allowance (DA) and Domiciliary Care Allowance (DCA).

“The Group’s report on this issue is currently being finalised and will be submitted to the Minister for Social Protection for her consideration shortly.  Therefore, the report is not in the public domain.”

‘Kite flying’

However details have been published in the Irish Time where Mary Minihan reports that there are currently just under 2,000 recipients of disability allowance who are aged between 16 and 18, costing the State just under €19 million.

A domiciliary care allowance of €309.50 per month is currently paid to parents or guardians of children with a disability until they are 18 when the teenager then starts to receive disability allowance, which pays a maximum of €188 per week.

Sinn Féin’s Aengus Ó Snodaigh said that the proposed cut could mean that a young person with a disability could be down over €6,000 a year but did not expand on how this figure is reached.

He said in a statement:  “If the minister’s bona fide reason for proposing this cut is because she is concerned about making such a large social welfare payment directly to young people than the solution is to make the disability allowance payment to the parent or guardian until they reach 18 or to introduce a new higher rate of Domicialliary Care Allowance equivalent to the value of Disability Allowance for 16 and 17 year olds.”

On the proposal being leaked, Ó Snodaigh added: “Joan Burton is playing politics with the economy and with people’s fears, adding  ”The fact that this kite has even been flown is a disgrace.”

The statement from the Department of Social Protection added: “The Group’s overall method of working is based on producing modular reports on the priority areas identified in the terms of reference.

“Where possible, the aim is to provide recommendations that can be acted upon in time for the annual budget, estimates and legislative cycle and to allow the Government to best address its commitments under the EU-IMF Programme of Financial Support.

“Decisions in respect of publishing reports of the Group will be made at the appropriate time.”

Read: Cabinet has not discussed possible child benefit cut – Kenny

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    Mute stephen kavanagh
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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:36 PM

    There is no point in this plethora of tapes unless something is done as a result of them apart from outraging the public

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    Mute Peter_Artnold
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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:54 PM

    The Guards and FG/FF were ever only going to use select ones and leave the important ones in the garbage. Now the state has to face the very inconvenient fact that a party that despises FG anf FF corruption with a fever has the truth.

    FF overwhelming culture of corruption and defrauding of this state to save donors can be proven and FG’s complicity in protecting the status quo at the cost of justice and our future can be shown as well.

    FG/FF will still do nothing but can now be proven to defraud the Irish people.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:05 PM

    Well the last ones were pretty provocative in their own right but still nothing resulted from them outside of outraged Liveline phone-ins. Let’s hope these ones have more effect; otherwise they’ll just heighten our blood pressures for no purpose

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:10 PM

    Why are other media outlets not reporting this..nothing in the hearald ??????

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    Mute Aster
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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:23 PM

    Getting rid of bad news!!……..THE DISSAPEARED

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    Mute Ignoreland
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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:31 PM

    In fact the release of the tapes can do even more damage by creating so much outrage it could result in the defendant arguing that they can’t get a fair trial and so the case collapses.

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    Mute Peter McGlynn
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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:42 PM

    Exactly – and I wonder if that was the ploy before. Sinn Fein I guess are doing the correct thing here – it should be used to prosecute – not to generate newspaper headlines.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:54 PM

    I hope to God that the whole house of cards comes tumbling down

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:18 PM

    I hear the sound of rattling wood. Oh that’ll be enda

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    Mute Peter_Artnold
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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:27 PM

    FF TD’s and staff seem to have disappeared from the corridors of Leinster hse. It’s like an American movie, where you know something is up when the Piazza’s and coffee start flying in to the offices.

    Dropped faces all around today and a lot of strategies and plans for the investigations are now thrown in to chaos. If the State upholds the law it will destroy sections of itself, FF and have to jail establishment figures.

    If they whitewash it then the Provies can show the public that the establishment perverted the course of justice and helped its friends defraud the state.

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    Mute Michael Allen
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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:47 PM

    The tapes were delivered into safe and trustworthy hands!
    I hear there’s a job vacancy had come up in the Dàil today.
    They are looking for a pooper-scooper in the Dial bar, protective clothing and breathing apparatus provided. No previous experience required must be able to start immediately.
    No Irish need apply for security reasons!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:10 PM

    That’s a good word peter “Disappered” there was something on TV about that the other night

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:11 PM

    Surely it’d be Micheal Martin more likely to be terrified than anyone else?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:57 PM

    Micheal Martin as a Cabinet Minister at the time shares collective responsibility legally for the acts of that Govt. Expect a planned heave against him to be brought forward.

    Gmurphi. Yeah and?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:22 PM

    Nothing more than a diversionary tactic by SF as a result if the disappeared programme.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:33 PM

    Anyone have access to the internal recording systems in AIB or BOI? We need some #BOITapes and #AIBTapes

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:18 PM

    Such a time to come to the SF office…..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:00 PM

    7am is not that early!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:46 PM

    Aye

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:22 PM

    Who ever thought that Sinn Fein would become the trusted watch dogs of your country

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:34 PM

    Did the Gardaí call the bomb squad to open the package from Sinn Féin?

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    Nov 7th 2013, 12:12 PM

    I’d be very wary of any tapes SF are supposed to have its easy make false tapes, amazing the tapes arrived the same time Adams is under pressure. Pierce Doherty hmm hmm

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    Mute lulu
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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:07 PM

    When are we going to have a banking inquiry? Why are the government stalling on holding this inquiry? Why does it take 5 years to take a case against some of the directors who ran this septic bank? Why has Enda Kenny’s Castelbar mate Matt Moran been given immunity for being a witness against these banksters? Remember that Mr Moran was number 2 in this defunct bank so by giving this immunity the DPP has contrived to put one of the two TOP architects of the entire Anglo catastrophe beyond the reach of the law. Does anyone really think this government want a banking inquiry? Surely we don’t have to wait for our banking inquiry to be played out in the Four Courts when Sean Quinn takes his case against IBRC? Corruption is rife in good old Ireland. The government want everything brushed under the carpet.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:17 PM

    Lulu
    The Government held a Referendum to give the necessary powers to the Dail to hold Enquiries, compel witnesses to attend and to make determinations of fact against individuals but the People in their wisdom decided they didn’t want this and rejected the proposition and you are now screaming for the Dail to hold an Enquiry? Worse still any enquiry may threaten the outcome of a criminal trial being held next year into the activities of former Bankers!
    Grow up.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 9:07 PM

    Richie I NEVER mentioned anything about the Dail holding an inquiry. I wouldn’t trust the government to investigate it. I want a full inquiry, held by international experts. This banking crisis has cost us billions, and generations of our children will be paying for it. The least we deserve is to find out what happened. There is too much cronyism in Irish politics…look after the senior civil servants, protect certain bankers, cover up the regulatory malpractice in our Central Bank & Dept of Finance.
    Yes Richie, any inquiry might threaten the outcome of a criminal trial being held next year….against THREE of these bankers. Surely there were more than three bankers at fault? Why have these cases not come to trial yet? We are now 5 years down the line. The Bernie Madoff trial took place in 2009….even though his illegal dealings came to light around the same time as the crisis in Anglo. The bankers you refer to are on trial for illegal share manipulation. There is no mention of reckless lending, and of misleading clients and regulators as to the real value of assets. It avoids any issue lifting the lid on improper dealings between the banks officers and the government of the day such as may have happened in the sale of Anglo’s Australian subsidiary. All in all the criminal trial you refer to is a show trial, which should have been brought to court years ago.
    Oh yes Richie, I suppose you are right, I am “screaming” for an inquiry….we owe it to the generations coming after us and who will have to pay for the mistakes of others to find out what happened. Grow up!!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:31 PM

    They have to make sure it’s not Giftgrub first

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:23 PM

    And the evidence against Gerry was on tv last night, and the sentence for the child rapist he covered up for will be on tv tonight. SF really scrapping the gutter if this is all they have to deflect attention from their evil past

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:25 PM

    So you’re not interested in hearing these tapes frank?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:28 PM

    This is quite obviously all they’re up to. I was honestly expecting something a little better from them. They could have at least made it a little bit more exciting.
    “Sinn Fein uncovers more Anglo Tapes… In the love nest that Bigfoot shares with his Alien husband!”

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:31 PM

    They haven’t released them they only said they have them which is evidence that its a pathetic diversionary tactic that only SF would stoop so low to use.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:37 PM

    Yes SF has a lot to answer for ,,, but right now this is about how a bunch of bankers and the like that have bought this country to its knees and gotten away with it,,,, Government only love if we talk about SF past to deflect what happened, first things first this Banking crises needs to be death with. So many Irish people are suffering deeply cos of this

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:51 PM

    Elaine – I’m not a SF supporter but…I have never supported SF in the past but…what about?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:51 PM

    The tapes cannot be released till the investigations are done or otherwise the state will claim that a fair trial is no longer possible. As is the Guards on the ground in Anglo are being fought every step of the way.

    When it is over Adams will be able to start asking why did the state refuse to act. The sham state will be finally exposed .

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:52 PM

    Do you want to hear the tape? Yes or no

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:02 PM

    Tankedfrank, if they didn’t release them you would be on here bitching about that as well!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:25 PM

    Frank the tapes were handed to the central bank and the gardai. The indo also has a copy so we will soon know if they are real or not or if there is anything new on them.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:51 PM

    If you are so interested in justice for the disappeared I await your calls for the national archive files relating to the tan war and civil war to be opened to public scrutiny after 90 yrs. Enda holds the keys to these files. Lets see his hunger for justice and truth be served for the hundreds who disappeared then at hands of his fore bearers.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:35 PM

    Hmmm so in the last few weeks they got the tapes? And they only decide to release the info now …amazing timing given their leader is under the spotlight for his role in the disappeared documentary and for his cover up for his brother disgusting past. Simply a deflection tactic by SF here

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:28 PM

    Absolute rubbish, why would there be a defection tactic, these so called revelations have been in the public domain for the last decade, this kind of anti-Sinn Fein media is far from new. But, after the trial of Liam Adams and all of the furore around Adams Sinn Fein went up in the polls by 2% and overtook FF that weekend. Three weeks after the trial RedC had a poll and Sinn Fein’s support remained unchanged. This story was run in the Indo and the Herald every day for two weeks prior to the last election, with all of the Price and Hughes information in it. Gerry Adams topped the poll with 15,000 votes despite the Sindo running a story the weekend before saying he was unlikely to be elected because of this issue. At this stage there is simply fatigue around all of this, people have made up their minds and decided one way or the other on it, I know plenty of people who don’t believe him but are still voting Sinn Fein on their policy positions and because of the local reps the party have and the work they are doing in constituencies, they don’t see it as a deciding factor, we all know terrible things went on during the troubles on all sides and this is part of this, but they also see the work that has be done to build a lasting peace in the North. So I can say for sure is it not coming up on the doors that I am knocking on, there is nobody saying to me I was going vote Sinn Fein and have now changed my mind, most people have more pressing things on their mind than events from 42 years ago, despite how tragic and wrong they might be, no matter how much the trolls on here might wish differently.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:33 PM

    Ferron, you care more about polls than people murdered and buried by the IRA – you make me sick.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:44 PM

    @ Brendan. People know a 40 year witch hunt/trial by media when they see it, hence Adams being the most popular political leader in the country, despite the efforts of the reich wing media machine and the GBC.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:46 PM

    No I don’t, I am simply pointing out that there has been a widespread media campaign against Adams, and it is not working. People in my area vote Sean Crowe because they know he is a hard working TD and does a good job representing the voters. I know you would prefer people to spend their day reading comments on the journal and working on their pathological hatred, normal people are not like that though, they are simply not that bitter.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:54 PM

    If you were normal you would not be in SF.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:58 PM

    Patrick do you need a vomit bag, how about Iris Robinson?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:29 PM

    Would people please ignore the troll Paddy Lyons, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was simple Willie Frazier himself!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:19 PM

    The anti SF comments on here seem to be made by people who are more worried about the fact that these tapes were handed to a SF TD rather than a TD in another party. Is it because they realize that whoever delivered these tapes didn’t trust any of the main stream parties to act in the best interest of the people considering that the mainstream parties are up to their neck in the banking scandal? Hence you have this “deflection” conspiracy theory being thrown about and the usual attacks on the party and G Adams in particular. Some people condescendingly think that the people of ireland don’t know about the past and need to be reminded of it every 5 minutes. People know about what has transpired in the past but, unlike some commentators, are not stuck in it.

    The only deflection going on here is that SF seem to be the only party left that seems to have the Nations best interest at heart which has the main stream parties shaking in their boots. As a result you have the Enda Kenny answer to everything to do with SF, bring up the disappeared or the NI bank raid, in fact anything at all so long as it deflects from the fact that FG/Lab and FF have screwed the electorate time and time again.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:20 PM

    One advantage of dealing with FG/Lab, FF is you won’t get shot in the back of the head for disagreeing with them.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:21 PM

    All of the parties you just mentioned have had connections with, or directly evolved from various incarnations of the IRA. All of them, including Sinn Fein eventually turned to exclusively political means. Welcome to Irish politics since the 20th century- it’s nice of you to join us! Now think before commenting.

    I genuinely despair that faced with the enormity of this issue you appear to be more concerned with party political bias’s than you are with the details of how your nations economy was brought to it’s knees.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:27 PM

    Why would Gerry plead in the dail for people to come forward when he never came forward to expose a child rapist? Can we believe anything from this man?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:55 PM

    As about as much as any other TD ot Minister in the Dail, I would imagine.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:27 PM

    Where are the bodies of those murdered by the IRA? This attempt to deflect attention away from this burning question is a new low.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:43 PM

    Slow again Patrick, you really must up your game.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:00 PM

    Jaysus Patrick you are sounding more like Enda everyday! Everytime the Shinners do something that makes him look like an idiot he uses exactly the same line as you are now.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:09 PM

    If you’re going to talk about murder paddy, try not to use the butchers apron as your avatar. It stinks of hypocracy.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:20 PM
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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:27 PM

    The amadán I refer to is Patrick Lyons of course.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:24 PM

    They couldn’t get a memory stick which might insert conveniently into Amnesia Adams could they?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:28 PM

    No, because no such thing exists you numpty troll.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:34 PM

    Which dosen’t exist; you Provo apologist?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:41 PM

    Lol. I’m not an apologist for PIRA. Where did I apologize??

    I’m guessing that you are a FG or FF gom. Those criminal organizations know they are in deep trouble, the days of robbing the state via Ministerial office are over. Pity that Lenihan is not around to face a lifetime in jail for his crimes.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:53 PM

    Neither in fact, but it is a source of deep bafflement to me that so many people are taken in with this sort of cynically transparent stunt to deflect attention from Adams and his difficulty in addressing his very dubious past, let alone his connection with his brother and niece.
    The Anglo tapes is a very old story, and it’s sudden resurfacing two days after the “disappeared” documentary, must stretch the credulity of all but the most die-hard Shinner apologist beyond breakin point.
    As I said in an earlier if Doherty really wanted to do some service, perhaps speed his own promotion to the top job), he would be better served by referring the Boston and not the Anglo tapes to the cops.
    Me, I think ordering the murder and “disappearing” of a widowed mother of 10, rates far worse on the scale of criminality than anything the denizens of FF or FG have perpetrated in the past ten years.
    But then my moral compass might be pointing me in a different direction to you.
    You will note I responded to your post without personal abuse; it would be pleasant if you could reciprocate in a similar manner, but somehow I doubt it.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:05 PM

    You are stuck in a bubble that you refuse to leave. Nice things do not happen in war, especially to those that inform. The tragedy of the conflict is not new, individual tragedies like the tale of the disappeared are not new. You obviously disagree.

    Whatever the timing you were going to have a variation of the above so of course I’m not going to entertain you.

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    Nov 7th 2013, 1:38 PM

    Or the Northern Ireland great bank robbery

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:48 PM

    There is a peace process in place and various inquiries going on, When will we ever get an honest straight forward debate about these banks!!!
    Wrapping everything up in legal tape is really what the all want to do…Needless to say all these “Slander” laws were brought in by FF to protect them all further doen the road…..I wouldnt care!!! I would release all tapes and info into the public domain, We all know these Gansta Bankers will never be held accountable by this Government. …

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:47 PM

    This is nearly as good as the tweet during the Presidential Debate, I wouldn’t trust anybody in Parnell Square.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:55 PM

    As seen on TV on Monday evening Adams getting twitchy! A bit of diversion needed and bingo!!
    So transparent it’s almost laughable.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:05 PM

    Are you saying they did not receive the tapes/pendrive?

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:15 PM

    The SF people must think the rest of us are dumb….it was a different type of tape they used on Jean Mc Conville!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:15 PM

    I’m the timing is convenient, never seems to happen unless SF are on the back foot, just good luck I guess

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:32 PM

    It takes a really dumb Shinner to believe that normal rational people will be fooled by this stunt. I also believe that there are people posting here that actually believe that this stunt is genuine – I also believe that these people are quite dumb. Perhaps when you kids grow up some of you might get a little bit of sense. A few days ago there was an article on games kids used to play – it attracted 25,000 views. This confirmed my opinion that the readership here mostly comprises of kids.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:39 PM

    You have to be Workers Party, only they could be so rabid in defense of the establishment and bankers and to be so certain that everyone bar themselves is stupid. Are you Sean “hundred dollar” Garland by an chance

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:46 PM

    A question should end with a question mark and ‘defense’ should read ‘defence’. This be of some assistance to you when you are doing your homework.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:47 PM

    Correct my second sentence and I will give you an apple.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 3:58 PM

    Workers Party. I knew it.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:11 PM

    Patrick Lyons, since you’ seem to have an issue with children. Here is a situation where loyalist thugs bravely waving the Union Jack, haters of Sinn Fein and nationalist children expressed that hatred…. .”A loyalist pipe bomb attached to the gates of Holy Cross Girls’ Primary School disrupted the first day of term and renewed fears of a resumption of a sectarian campaign of violence against the North Belfast Catholic School. The attack took place against the backdrop of a sectarian campaign of intimidation by Glenbryn loyalists targeting Catholic homes in nearby Deerpark Road.Three years ago the Catholic primary school, which accommodates pupils as young as four years of age, became the target of a vicious loyalist campaign of violent intimidation, during which a loyalist mob threw pipe bombs, bricks and bottles at children and parents as they attempted to walk to school.
    In a previous attack, a pipe bomb was attached to the primary school’s gate as pupils returned after the Christmas vacation.The trauma of the loyalist blockade, the renewal of loyalist violence proved too much. For the many four- and five-year-old children, it was not only the first day of term but also their first day at school. A day that should have been both proud and happy was marred.
    Tearful scenes ensued as a few children became fearful and pleaded to go home. Many families abandoned any attempt to get their children to school.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 11:40 PM

    Michael hates a copy and paste from Wikipedia…..

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:49 PM

    The real evidence was taken by the gardai in that faux ‘raid’ they carried out a few years ago. This evidence regarding the main men responsible has been destroyed.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 2:56 PM

    Much of the paperwork is never going to be used in trial or shown but the tapes were copied by someone before they could be examined and cleared. That is why there is such a panic in political circles today.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 6:05 PM

    I’d love to agree with you but the crap we are fed these days, hard not to think that this isnt just another diversion to lead the sheep.

    For instance, the IT person (and it would have to be an IT person) would be of a small number of people that would have access these recordings and have the ability to copy them. If thats the case, why havent the guards gone after him/her? These tapes will shed light but on what and why.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 4:23 PM

    Some wait for some and sleepless nights i hope.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 5:40 PM

    Time to get the truth out of this entire debacle. Time to insist on the truth. We’re being given titbits of news that shocks us all and then nothing is done about any of it. To the government, ‘this must be the biggest pain in the butt. No matter how much they sweep under the carpet, the stories keep coming. I’ve a feeling we’ll be waiting ’til Quinn’s case against them, before anything near the truth is heard in this country. How frustrating that we’re reliant on a personal action being taken, to get the revelations we all deserve to have. …..And the powers that be continue to wear their very selective blinkers!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:42 PM

    this is Ireland, nothing might ever be done about it

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:36 PM

    I don’t care who releases evidence once those who knew what and when and misled us serve time. The current govt have no problem of setting the revenue on us for the ‘home tax’ Aka ‘ banking bailout tax’. We are paying big time for the banking corruption.

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    Nov 6th 2013, 7:37 PM

    Long. Prison sentences. Now!

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:57 PM

    http://youtu.be/brVN1A6pG_Q there’s three parts this is part one so ull have to listen to them all I’m afraid not sure which part it’s in

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:34 PM

    Funny that was listening to few tapes Monday night …which clearly stated Gerry Adams ordered the murder of jean mcconville …wonder will that family ever get justice ?????

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    Nov 6th 2013, 8:50 PM

    Got a link? I’d love to hear that tape.

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    Nov 7th 2013, 12:47 AM

    No one else has heard this tape. I could make a tape saying all sorts of things about you. Would that make them true, if I was a sworn enemy of yours should people trust them.

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