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Good God. Why is he so lenient with sex offenders!!
We also don’t know the circumstances of this case… He may have downloaded them by accident…
He might not have harmed the child but who took the pictures he is just as guilty
Comparing paedophilia to homosexuality is just completely wrong. Adults can consent to sexual activity, children can NEVER do this. Watching images is not a victimless crime – each child involved was abused and is a victim. 7,000 images equates to a LOT of victims. Without demand for these images, such as from that civil servant, the industry of child porn would not exist. So this man abused up to 7,000 children Himself. A suspended sentence is an absolute disgrace and while I think judges should be protected , it’s clear this judge has a warped view of what’s right or wrong and this needs to be highlighted.
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You do not unknowingly download 70k of images
He may not have assaulted the children concerned but he has allowed and facilitated the assault and abuse of children by paying for them
7000 images by accident, really?
He downloaded 7 thousand images… Where does it say he paid for them?
Jimmy I think you need to seek professional help. What has being gay to do with this?
It doesn’t matter whether he paid for them or not. There’s absolutely no way you can download that volume of images by accident. An accident could be 1 or two which I would imagine any right minded person would immediately delete, not save on their computer.
The guy was found with 7 thousand images on his computer… we don’t know the full story of the case… did he download them? Did his son download them? Was it by accident etc… everyone here is jumping to conclusions that he’s guilty without knowing the full story…
The fact is, he was found guilty in a court of law. The problem is the lenient (pretty much non existent )sentence.
People are abusing children as there’s a demand for this sick material.
You don’t download 7,000 images by mistake either.
Also, these people should be named and shamed.(unless the victim requests otherwise in the case of the assault on the neighbour)
I’d wanna know if there was a sex offender living on my street
Jimmy – what on earth does being gay have to do with this topic? It is disgraceful for you to even insert the idea that homosexuality is related to indecent images of children.
jgrcb. He was found guilty. If he had “innocently” downloaded those images in one file it would have shown in the evidence and he would have been cleared. But that he was found guilty shows that he knowingly downloaded those images.
impeach him and let the others see we live in a democracy and that the legal cartel is answerable to the people
That is the most ignorant comment I have ever seen on the journal. Do you realise that there is a victim for every one of those 7000 images. A rape or indecent assault has taken place on the children in those images. By buying those images he commissioned a crime. Would you think it was ok to stand around in the same room and watch a child being raped and pay as you pleasure yourself as a child is being traumatised for life. Just because the child is halfway around the world and maybe a different race does not make it less real. I think people think these images are acting etc that is not the case. Everytime someone pays for child pornography they are creating a financial incentive for a child to be exploited and raped somewhere in the world. aWhilst I agree a petition will make no different and the judiciary must be independent they need more training on child abuse and its devastating effect.
@jgrcb
Fu@k off, will ye?!
Haha loooove it completely over the top reaction. Never said anything was wronh wiyh bring gay. The pitch gork brigade are out today :) just analogy a person can’t help being gay. So a person if so inclined can’t help finding other preferences attractive. Its how they act on it. 7000 images are not by accident but alot can be cartoons as have been the case before. I don’t need any help thanks I see with perfect logic. I dont own a pitch fork.
Yet moves are underway in EU and US to try to make paedophilia a sexual orientation. Welcome to the “Brave New World” of the EUSSR. The sexualisation, abuse kidnapping of our children by social services.
The public have to have faith in Judges for the system to work. Lot of people have no faith in Nolan to be a Judge.
Monetary transaction is of no consequence and I cannot fathom an argument as such. Behaviour like this is predatory in that it propagates the heinous and unforgivable exploitation of the defenseless.
What 7, 000 mistakes!? The simplest explanation is usually the correct one
He was found guilty
“However, one legal professional, who did not wish to be named, called the petition “ridiculous”.
Sums it up doesn’t it??
This echoes of very recent years when priests were freely allowed to rape Irish children as our “justice” system looked the other way.
What???
Let him keep his job?????
Take away his salary and pension and Jail him!!!!!!!
Ah the poor fella… He has to be innocent…
He was found guilty of having indecent images on his computer… not of actually downloading the images… Maybe his friend or cousin downloaded the images..
1 is an accident…7000 is hardly a boo boo
Whats actually sad is theres 12 people dumb enough that agree with you
Its still an offence to be in possession of them
@jgrcb
You’re the one jumping to conclusions. He was caught using his work computer. Unless his son, went into his public service office and downloaded them there?Hardly.
Where’s the evidence of that?
ElaineFogarty – ah there you are Jim Corr, I wondered what happened to you and your theories.
What 7000 of them what you on ??? Your attitude stinks …
7000 of them by accident! !!!!!
This guy is the tip of the iceberg our courts are a sham they are supposed to be the pillar of democracy where they are just and judges operate with out fear or favour ,well many of us who have been burned by the criminals who operate in our courts know they real truth and these people are still allowed to police themselves.the current system is the single biggest threat to what little democracy we have left and anybody who trumps the current system is benefiting in some way .
This is not the first time Judge Nolan has handed down light sentencing for theses crimes. I often wonder do judges become immune to the effects of crime when hearing it day after day. Does it become a tedious job and should they be replaced on a regular basis.
@Sinead
“Adults can consent to sexual activity, children can NEVER do this”
That depends on what country you live in. The age of consent in Spain is 13 for example.
No he didn’t, he has been seeing a psychologist for his ‘problem’
7000 accidents. Are u for real ?
A dark web … facepalm
He downloaded them on his work laptop they were found during a routine upgrade. The case has taken place already.. Hence the sentence!!!! You should read the details.
Hahaha!! Are you serious!!? Are you really really serious!!! If that happened on my work computer as a genuine accident I’d very quickly inform someone.
An individual’s outlook on life is bound to influence their decisions. We’re not computers.
Though the sentence was very disturbing, as his previous sentences have been disturbing too, I think judges should have to justify their decisions somewhat rather than replacing them because we don’t like a sentence handed down.
It’s not at all uncommon to see court reports in local newspapers where one guy gets a 6 month sentence for assaulting a guy and breaking his jaw, and the next day with a different judge the same scenario is presented and the guy walks away with a suspended sentence – a slap on the wrist.
Downloaded by Accident lol your funny!
7,000 images !!!
Oh my god you must be simple.
According to the court records he did not pay for any of the images
We do seem to be getting into into a mob mentality been driven by the frenzy of radio talk shows such as #liveline and #Neilboylantonight to name but a few.
I know very little about this case but I do tend to leave it to the professionals who are actually in court and know the full details to decide . putting sick people like this man into prison at a cost of a couple of grand a week is not always the answer and is rarely beneficial to these type of people or the victims
roll on the red thumbs
I agree to some degree Jerry. He’ll also likely be targeted in prison a a sex offender – a sex offender that didn’t actually have sex in the first pace.
I’m not going to try to justify his actions, I don’t have any justification, but it’s not as if he himself went out and sodomised a child, unlike many other offenders in this country.
In fairness, I don’t know how someone could download over 7000 images “by accident” I’m sure the images would be at least 1mb depending on res, and 7000 of them would take a fair bit of room. it would possibly take a bit of work to get them too they are hardly in the top of pirate bays list of torrents. It’s discussing to think these people are getting way with it so lightly and then you have people in jail for doing small things in comparison. Were the hell is the logic?
It doesn’t matter if he paid for them or not. Those children suffered so he, and others like him, could feed his depravity. They’re paying for his boners, with mental and emotional scars, with physical scars, with (in some cases probably not all though) the knowledge that people out there are wanking to their childhood nightmare.
His paying, or not, financially is irrelevant. He consumed this “product”, a product made from the suffering of children.
THAT makes him just as wrong, just as abusive.
The pornography needs a market that makes him a perpetrator
7000 times !!!!! don’t be naive
Amen, Becka! Absolutely disgusting.
Exactly. It’s not cartoon images he downloaded. Children had to be put in an awful situation for him to get his images.
Well, jgrcb, WHOEVER downloaded them has a serious problem. And the owner of the PC needs to take responsibility. A thing that a lot of people don’t have any more.
7k photos downloaded by accident i not think so
As far as I know the owner of a pc doesn’t have to take responsibility (legally speaking) and the financial transaction aspect is actually quite important. Remember this is a criminal case, so although the balance of probability would indicate his guilt, it must be shown beyond a reasonable doubt that he downloaded the images, and not that they were downloaded on his computer by someone else. This sentence could possibly be due to the judge being worried about the safety of the conviction, but by handing down a lenient sentence a conviction is secured while the chance of the defendant pursing an appeal are reduced as his sentence could be increased on appeal.
May be more to the story than can fit into a short journal article.
jgrcb you do not download 7000 photo’s by accident
your a nobhead 7000 by accident you must like child porn you dirty b==t=rd
Why protect the judge? He is clearly condoning the crime.
Justice in Ireland always was . justice must be Seen, To be done.
Maybe he is in favour of decriminalizing child rape/ abuse?
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/chiesa-church-iglesia-pedofilia-pedophilia-pedofilia-7401/
“A consultant to US bishops’ is attempting to abolish pedophilia as a crime and his colleagues are attempting its erasure from the APA Diagnostic and Statistics Manual of Mental Disorders”
We know the courts are controlled from Rome with the Red Mass every year in Dublin celebrating this.
Don’t know why everybody is shocked this country is riddled with pedophiles we have a serious issue that people try to sweep under the carpet.
We have systematic abuse of children in their homes , in state care by people in authority and it goes right to the top remember a certain judge caught with still child porn still enjoying his huge pension,
No Internet campaign will solve the problem we have more than our fair share of perverts
Jfreb
He was found guilty you clown.the problem here is the lenient sentence not whether he did it or not.
all pedo’s like you say it was someone else well your as bad as he is may be you have your own child images filty c==t
To use the quote
“People are made to be loved and things are made to be used… The confusion in this world is that people are being used and things are being loved…”
More “value” is placed on processions not life
“it’s not as if he himself went out and sodomised a child, unlike many other offenders in this country.”
That is where you are so wrong. We are all energy and this man gave his energy while viewing the images. He also sucked energy from the child/children in the images over and over. It is their food for goodness sake.. Therefore under Universal Law he is equally guilty.
If you have no understanding of energy and energy suckers, then please do not make such incorrect statements .You justified the judges actions too by making excuses re jail etc.why?
Even if he had deleted all the images, the forensic software available today could retrieve most of them unless the user new about and had used other forensic software to erase their existence on the hard disk. In this case we are not told if the images had indeed been deleted and the accused might have thought they were gone for good.
I’d be very concerned about what you have downloaded “accidentally”
Is your crack pipe empty yet?
Yeah, right!
Wha???????????????????
That many images. Get real…
“If you have no understanding of energy and energy suckers, then please do not make such incorrect statements”
Jesus Christ Catherine.
If you\re not spouting off about conspiracy theories, you spout off about the patriarchy ad nauseum.
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear you say Gravity holds women down, therefore gravity must be the fcuking patriarchy.
Check his computer!!
I presume all the people on here baying for blood are the same people who in another context give out about our mental health service and complain about the lack of support for people with mental health issues
I cant believe he may have downloaded 7,000 pic by accident he should be in jail minimum
Yeah, 7,000 times “accidently”, are you for real troll boy!
7000 is alot but sure what if its an archive he downloaded via a torrent site. One click just wait and 7000 images there you go. Technically someone could do it by accident some searching for regular porn its mislabelled and you think your downloading something you like but its illegal images. Now I know not in the above case but just saying its completely possible.
Just from being tech savvy the ways they are nabbed are either going to a site with underage stuff REPEATEDLY not just once by mistake and traffic through the server is being monitored. Paying for images via card and transactions monitored. Downloading via p2p from a sting host, this one however is harder to go after as again you might not read a title and download a file by mistake. By sharing the files on p2p its easy to mistakenly download but not mistake to have them uploaded and sharing out.
The problem is the dark web. Tor is if updated running on Linux completely uncrackable even the NSA cant crack updated tor if the traffic is not using ecit node. The hidden wiki as its called contained links to bad things from the silk road to other links that would frighten anyone. I just tend to not bother with hidden wiki as I completely disagree with lawless Internet. But it will be new battle ground to catch the people who produce this sick stuff.
I should clarify my comments above about not sending to jail. If a person pays for this evil stuff then they are enabling and must face jail.
But if it’s judt viewing illegal images not in anyways assisting the production of them. Then suspended sentence wnd councilling program is what’s needed
Jimmy stop being a troll. You don’t end up with 7,000 images on your computer by accident. I don’t get why you’re so keen to defend a paedofile……….
Judge…..resign!
judges should be protected but not treated as omnipotent and infallible,if you are poor at your job you should be punished or sacked just like a painter,doctor or mcdonalds worker and all the more so when your job is so important,he is endangering children with his rulings and thats not hyperbole its a fact ! i dont understand the logic if he is watching child porn then eventually he will try it,people dont watch porn with a view to never trying it !!!
there is an answer there somewhere buzz
maybe the judge downloaded thousands ….by accident of course himself
Is it just me that has noticed:
This judge, Judge Martin Nolan is the same judge in the Anglo banking trial (community service), the same judge in the garlic trial (6 years jail to a farmer) and now this (as well as other questionable sexual cases), god knows what emotional damage.
What part of messed up is not understood here?
SOME ACCIDENT….ID SAY YOU NEED TO BE INVESTIGATED..
jgrcb…..thinks you can……FFS
ARE YOU FOR REAL….
How could he have downloaded them by accident, and them type of images are exchanged within groups, he should be in jail.
Its like he is courting controversy. He consistantly let’s down victims of these animals. Rapists and pedophiles must celebrate when they find out their case is before him.
That’s the thing. Though it be unpopular to say. They’re not animals, they’re people.
Sooner or later we need to face up to that and realize paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder, a recognised illness. Until we do,, it will continue underground.
More unpopular common sense, Luke.
yes, it is a disorder with no cure.
Maybe not for long though.
If pedophilia is “normalized”
http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/world-news/detail/articolo/chiesa-church-iglesia-pedofilia-pedophilia-pedofilia-7401/
Don’t confuse a choice to abuse children with a disease, these paedos choose to do this, diseases don’t interfere with a judgement a person makes to sexually abuse children.
Stop this nonsense.
There’s no ‘cure’ for most disorders Catherine. There’s no ‘cure’ for addictions either. There IS treatment.
I’m not confusing anything Gerry. I never said nor inferred it was a disease. You did.
Disease or Illness, both an excuse
Yes, it is called “getting them cut off!”
Since 1922 no judge has been impeached/sacked. They get away Scott free always. External review board with sacking powers needed.
They nearly managed with Brian Curtin about ten years ago. The government instituted impeachment proceedings, but Curtin resigned “on health grounds” before they could put it through. In that case, HE was the one with the child porn on his computer.
With Curtin the Guards also were an hour late in delivering the arrest warrant so the time had lapsed. No doubt they were ordered to wait till that time. Respect for the Law on the bench and in the force and Dept. of Justice is quiet low.
And I don’t remember any guard being held accountable for that ‘error’ either Carling. If it happened again today, no guard would be held accountable either.
Well, we can’t say for sure. It’s quite likely, I’ll agree, but it can never be proven. Anyway, Curtin didn’t get away with it, even if the impeachment didn’t go through. He was forced to resign in disgrace.
Damage limitation
On a very big pension no doubt!
Oh Rosemary!
Ireland is a haven for sex offenders.. If you have money just pay the person off you raped or as in this case you’ll only get a suspended sentence anyway..
They’re has to be an automatic sentences for certain crimes ,Rape ,Murder ,Abuse ,Theft ,Assault etc,don’t give the fat cat judge so much power.
Mandatory sentencing does exist for certain crimes, but there has to be a level of discretion involved too.
You wouldn’t sentence a severely ill 80 year old in a wheelchair to life in jail via a mandatory sentence.
Er, luke… Why not?
Er, Alien…I’m sure you can figure it out for yourself. {hint….prison is not a hospital}
But it’s okay for an 80 year old to abuse a small child, maybe the child is as infirm and in a push-chair at a very young age.
I have to admit that the sentencing approaches of this particular Judge make me feel distinctly uneasy.
The possible leniency of sentencing in this can be appealed and reviewed. Hopefully, that will happen.
Petitions, however genuinely intended, may be counter productive. The judiciary likes to show that it will not be swayed by public opinion.
I suggest that we await the outcome of the almost inevitable appeal by the DPP.
The sex offender is an ex CIVIL SERVANT, the judge is looking after one of his own….,DISGRACEFUL
Possibly one of the most ridiculous comments I have ever read on the journal!
There does seem to be an attitude from judges that if a person is middle class, a professional etc.. they are treated more leniently. I can think of several cases.
I know a bloke that got a 3 year suspended sentence only last week for enough for 5 joints of weed, surely both crimes are on a completely different scale but you wouldn’t think so with the sentence
Kevin, if there is some twisted logic in giving someone a 3 suspended sentence for possession of that little dope then about one million Irish people should have received such a sentence. Absolutely and completely f*****g bonkers!!
PS The judge should have thrown out the case and told the police to p1ss off and do some actual police work.
It’s very worrying William, the total lack of common sense and public perception by those in power is staggering
My sentiments precisely Will
“However, one legal professional, who did not wish to be named, called the petition “ridiculous”.
“Judges cannot do their jobs in fear of a public backlash on every decision.”
How about bringing the game into disrepute?
How about being brave enough to attach your name to your views nameless legal beagel? It translates to me do not disturb the private members club….
His comment is disturbing in itself.
No-one is infallible.
It is a game of course and it can be played. if you know how a particular judge performs you can go sick if he does not suit you and wait until one who has weird ideas is on the bench.Be warned,defending yourself is not a good idea as m’lord will notice that you have failed to employ his son the solicitor or daughter the barrister and are therfore not supporting the team ;-)
The legal profession in Ireland has been in disrepute for years.
Ethics and civic respect are not features of the Irish legal profession in general.
maybe it is time for the judges to learn that they are not gods after all. Who pays their salaries? Who are they answerable to? Judges of course are mere bankers for the corporation. We enter their maritime law courts – dock etc as dead people- soulless entities and non sovereigns,so no wonder we have sentences like this.The whole court scene is a show- court jesters, dressed up pretending to be real.While behind the scenes all the outcomes are pre determined . Ask any barrister. hence service users are not allowed in same room when barristers have their little chats before the court session.
wow, well said.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes solicitors solicit business for the court corporation.
Barristers swear allegiance to BAR corp in London and their duty is to the court, not their client.
Thank goodness someone thinks as I do.
The Judges in this country are chosen by corrupt politicians to maintain the status quo. Justice is not a word they are familiar with.
Exactly- Just US is more suitable as my criminologist friend pointed out to me.
The judge is out of balance. Its commonsense for any layman. Its an abuse of power or lack of compassion for humanity. Sad state of affairs for the victims of sexual abuse.
Question is : What can be done?
A good moan on the journal. That’s about the height of what we do
Remove the judge for re training.
The training at the moment is weird- making excuses for child rapists….oh sure it was not that bad, its just adults who make it out to be bad by reacting. I heard it all in lawyers office. I could not speak for a week.
The best article on this is and should be compulsory reading for all judges etc.
http://wellbeingfoundation.com/sexual-abuse.html
“I’ve come to realise that sexual assault is an imposed death experience for the victim. That is, the victim experiences her life as having been taken by someone else.”
— Evangeline Kane
”The constitution guarantees judiciary independence”, presumably that independence refers to independence from political interference. I don’t think anyone criticising his sentencing is suggesting or supporting political interference of any sort. However, surely a judge has to take the interests of the public into account with regards to sentencing, i.e considering the deterrent factor to others. It seems odd to suggest that judges could act completely in a vacuum and not factor public interest into their sentencing.
No he doesn’t. His duty is to interpret the law which he is qualified to do, not to give in to public pressure by a petition. If people don’t like sentences given then demand from the politicians to change the laws and make them tougher. Judges can only impose sentences the law, not change it.
Don’t know why people are red-thumbing you there Birch, you’re just stating the facts. If people want laws and sentences changed, then the mechanism is through their elected representatives. Judges should never have to listen to public opinion, only hear the facts of the case and interpret the law of the land as it stands. Otherwise we’d be seeing public hangings every other week.
That doesn’t mean I don’t agree entirely that Nolan’s sentencing is and has been a joke, and every practical effort should be made to prevent this nonsense in future. This is not a victimless crime, as he clearly believes it is.
Exactly; they can impose sentences. This d1ckhead choose not to impose one.
It does seem odd, Eoin, that the judge can seemingly do what he wants with impunity, but if the alternative is a popularity contest, with judges being elected, like they do in the US, then I’d rather stay with our system. But there should at least be some kind of review at set intervals where a judge’s peers and some kind of law commission would look at their judgements over a period of time and determine whether or not they are doing their job properly. Every job has to have the possibility of answerability and review.
What sucks is the judgement of those who promote guys like this to the judiciary in the first place.
Law is not Justice.
Law is male energy
Justice id fe-male- balanced on the scales for all to see.
“None doth love justice more than the Irish.
Time to bring back our own legal system. Why did we keep British court system anyway?
Surprised we our even allowed talk about these judges.Judge not less yee be judged.
Judge Nolan’s sentencing on these cases has caused massive controversy but you’ve attributed a case to him that he didn’t rule on. The first case you mention was a Central Criminal Court rape case. Judge Nolan is a circuit court judge. That case was well reported. It might be wise to check the details.
Given his record in dealing with sex offenders who in my opinion are some of the worst people on the planet how this judge can look at himself in the mirror i’ll never know.he should be ashamed of himself.it would appear that he is more concerned about the offender than the victim.
It only adds to the number of decisions handed down that are far to lenient! When it comes to crimes that involve money people always seem to be sentenced more. Money Matters and not people or so it’s portrayed.
of course. Courts are corporations- its all about business and contract law.
People are deemed “lost to the sea” in all maritime law courts-hence the black garb etc so you are correct, it has nothing to do with human people.Its all about profit.
Who are these judges answerable to ? and don’t tell me another Judge. This man should be in jail and receiving treatment while he is there and if he refuses treatment leave him there throw away the key.
To think that the police randomly spot checked this individuals PC and lo and behd 7k images on it by accident resulting in arrest??? Really? This arrest was the result of investigation. i.e evidence trail, of activity on net that led to his arrest, the pics are the proof of his activities, and his activities , are the prime reason for arrest, 1 photo or 7k … It doesn’t matter .. If society cannot stand together and protect children we have lost our way completely.
Jesus help us. ..
Amen to that. We certainly need Jesus to help us. The scale of corruption has reached epidemic level. The Judge should be jailed along with the person responsible for appointing him.
Why did Jesus allow the child to suffer in the first place??
Jesus has nothing to do with this. It is human kind raping and abusing children and other adult humans protecting the abusers.
Exactly Catherine. Jesus had nothing to do with it. Human beings are responsible for those evil acts. That is why we need Jesus help. Because he can solve the problem of evil. No human being can do that.
Add my name to the list this so called judge does not live in the real world, maybe we should check his computer
And a lawyer says the opinions of the great unwashed doesn’t matter. How surprising.
No, Stephen, a lawyer says that it is not a good idea to undermine our independent judicial system by bowing to public opinion, in other words, the lynch mob mentality. No matter how we disagree with this judgement, public pressure is not the way to deal with it.
Nameless Legal Professional? Why nameless? ” Judges can’t do their jobs etc” . Was this Judge doing his job ?
Fuc king string him up
There should be a panel of senior judges (like the medical council) who perhaps are elected by all judges who can on their own initiative or on instructions from a minister look, into a sentence and if necessary overturn the sentence and instruct the judge that his sentence policies are not acceptable. If there are enough bad judgements from a judge then this panel should be able to fire a judge. There have been several judges in Ireland and the UK who had a string of poor sentence decisions made over the years and nothing could be done about them.
These judges are political appointees – how can they be properly independent? And I believe the defendant was a senior civil servant (now probably retired on his pension)..nudge nudge wink wink. What happened that Kerry Judge with the kiddie porn? Didn’t he get away with it too? System sucks!
Dinneen You ” believe” this guy was a senior civil servant?? Know him and have an axe to grind perhaps? !You go on to speculate that he’s retired on his pension when you don’t have a clue of the actual situation. Ca t imagine you were in court on the day…
He got away with nothing! Suspended 3 and a half year term – put a foot wrong and his prison term is activated. 18 months reporting to dept justice ibliged to follow all lawful directions, and 5 years on a sex offenders register that places serious incursions on his freedom of movement. This was not a lenient sentence for a first offender with no record who’d pleaded guilty, cooperated with authorities and shown genuine remorse.
Judge Nolan made an informed rational sentencing disposition, following his engaging in a proper sentencing exercise.
You know naught about what what you imperiously blab on upon!
What kind if world have we where money gets better protection then children
We already have one Judge in prison. Remember Heather Perrin?? Judges are completely subject to the ‘absolute power corrupts, absolutely’ factor. This Judge who suspended the sentence of a man found guilty of holding 7000 child sex images is worse then then man himself! How many people has this judge put in prison for not paying parking tickets or other simple things!!
A large number of judges, civil servants, and lawyers are members of the Knights of Columbanus, the Catholic version of the Masons. Intimately connected to the most right wing and perverted circles of the Catholic Church.
So don’t be surprised. Just be outraged.
Oh yes and Red Mass every November for the judges etc., which shows the RC church is still in control of the court corporations.
Also, a tactic recommended by HSE agent re abused child was to use Electric Shock Therapy on the child to burn out all memories of abuse and then place the child back with the perpetrator. Job done. This is Ireland of the shadows. I know people do not want to hear truth, but it is past time for it all to come to light now.
I bet all the peados and perverts hope they get this judge. Its a disgrace.
How can judges be considered to be impartial, when they are appointed by the government ? Two recent appointments in my area happen to be members of Fine Gael, hardly a surprise is it. What selection process is in use ?
Are these jobs advertised ?
Corrupt cowards all judges are
Backwards talking why are you?
Cleverly hiding his true identity with a stock photo, Yoda is.
Where do I sign?
The judge is a disgrace.
The independence of the judiciary is sacrosanct. Politicians, tabloid press or pointless online petitions should be ignored – especially by judges. (From a balance in the media point of view why is there no mention of the accused’s 192 hours of treatment, loss of job, co-operation with Gardai, guilty plea or the DPP’s right to appeal?)
I would expect all of that and a prison sentence, he’s a paedophile and nothing less, would you let it settle with his 192 hours, co-operation with Garda and loss of job if it was one of your children or family members, I think not. Judging by your comment your a defence solicitor, absolutely sickening
The wagons are being drawn into a circle… meanwhile the kids who lost their innocence in the porn business serve a life sentence but then the law has always been an ass.
Conor
One question if you don’t mind.
What if the child in the pictures were your child, would you accept “192 hours of treatment, loss of job, co-operation with Gardaí, guilty plea”, as being appropriate?
I agree, Conor. But the judiciary have a responsibility to live up to the trust they are given by society. It’s clear that many judges abuse that trust, and are answerable to no one for that.
the RC church was once sacrosanct once too.
People are waking up and remembering our own Justice system, where we had no prisons,etc and our code was Honour,
Culm. I agree with you.
But just know one thing, there are sacred texts where rape of a child is depicted as a mere poke in the eye.
The independence of the judiciary ended when their pay was cut and subsequently CJ Denham agreed to liaise with Shatter after a row erupted involving a HC judge, The Master and the President of the High Court. There is no need to pretend.
Can we all agree that “Judges have to be independent for the justice system to work.”?
Can we also agree this should not allow Judges hand down lenient sentences willy nelly?
Can we then agree that where Judges continue to hand out lenient sentences, for particular types of convictions where the state continually appeals the lenient sentences handed down that Judge that the Chief Justices of the Courts examine the sentencing practices of that Judge. After all if the state is continually appealing and winning against the sentencing practices of a particular judge relating to particular types of crimes, would their not be a case for examining the Judges fitness to practice based on wastage of public money alone?
The exact details of the case are not known to the general public. The people making silly comments here are not trained judges. I would hate to be judged by the morons that post their inane nonsense here. If you want to be a judge there are procedures to be followed.
Slightly incorrect, I believe
The exact identity of the individual is not known by the general public and neither is the identity of the child(ren) involved, however the “exact details of the case” were laid out in public court.
Correct, but how many of the clowns who signed the petition read the exact details? I doubt if any of them bothered.
Patrick Lyons take you arrogant comments and your Union Jack and f**k off.
John don’t feed that thing with the Union Jack it’s what he wants looking for a reaction !!
So Patrick, what exact details would the general public need to convince them that a custodial sentence was not appropriate for a man who enabled the rape and abuse of children?
Yes, we do know his name – Patrick Corcoran.
The exact details do not need to be given, the track record of his sentencing is already proven.
The only people making silly comments here are the eejits like yourself who cannot see the trees from the forest.
If you want to be a critic of the Irish judiciary system, at least be an Irish citizen which i guess you are not by your pox of an avatar.
And just to add, this judge already has a track record for dishing out suspended sentences to nonses and with your ‘exact details of the case is unknown’ comment it would lead me to believe your siding with the judges decision in this and other cases.
Something to hide there Patrick? Ever been in one of these cases yourself?
I think that you have got the message Patrick.. The ordinary people of Ireland are not less in rank because they have not got the power as a judge has… The people of Ireland want answers,
Agreed, Patrick. A petition like that would attract the real red neck round up crew, a lot of of whom would be barely literate, and probably have never held an original opinion in their sad little judgmental lives…
Grainnne i cringe for you when I read your creeping Jesus claptrap. A rational sentencing exercise was engaged in by Judge Nolan. He followed the law to the letter in the sentencing disposition he handed down. It does not matter remotely what (or to what extent) you and your fellow judgmental craven keyboard warriors rant about either the judge or the man involved.
I’m embarrassed for you with your erroneous “enabling” comment – you really do not have a clue!
The rule of law has been followed and the matter is OVER!
Lizzie, you don’t seem to realise what is involved in child pornography. Someone has to take those photographs, so someone has to procure children for abuse. People like the individual in this case access child pornography enable this to happen by their accessing the material.
I’m afraid, Lizzie, that you are the one without a clue.
Judge Martin Nolan step down and give your big fat salary to Child protection.
I think the problem with sentencing is that the law is the wrong way around. Offenses carry a maximum sentence and the judge works down from that. It would be better if offenses carried a minimum sentence and judges worked up from that.
The DPP will have the best understanding of this case. They are the ones to seek that it is sent forward on appeal. This is the proper way for this to be dealt with. If DPP doesn’t we must assume that judge got it right on this occasion.
Now Philip. any judge will tell you “assumptions are dangerous.” Just quoting a judge,
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Sounds like the skumbag judge is letting his mates away with this behaviour.. Probably shares the vile images with the accused..
The biggest problem with our Judiciary is that they are accountable to nobody. There needs to be an independent ombudsman that can bring Judges to account. And if necessary remove them from office. The case of the judge caught with the pedophile images on his computer springs to mind.
trial by FB will be next can predict everyone will be hanged or castrated or both.
The law along with this judge in particular is an ass . Our courts,judges and sentencing are so removed from reality it is shocking and surreal at times. Life for taking a life (1st degree murder),should mean life,rape on any person or sexual assaults on children should carry a minimum 30 yrs,armed robbery or serious assaults a minimum of 25 yrs ,drug dealing or possession of an illegal firearm a minimum of 25 yrs and this particular crime which is heinous a minimum of 25 yrs. Lets see how many people would think twice if they knew they would get the above mandatory sentencing for the said crimes.
Mandatory sentencing doesn’t work – and neither does prison very often.
Mandatory minimums will cost taxpayers hundreds of millions, robbing us of the resources we need to address the root causes of violence and making conditions on our streets even worse.
What garbage Luke! Get a life! Think of the victims more than the perpetrators who need to be off the streets!
6 years for dodging Garlic import duty and suspended sentence for child porn.do people actually think these decisions are independent from govt????
There is a way not to upset the general public is to make every case In Camera, just like the Family Law Courts, then the public will not see the abuses that judges get away with on a daily basis and Joe Public will continue to be ignorant of how judges abuse children.
Outstanding in its simplicity, the suggestion to remove openness from our justice system already has one green thumb.
Wow. thank you for reminding me of this.
The judge is probably at it himself giving away sentences like.Wouldn’t surprise me in the least tbh.
Why am I not surprised by this article. Sure there is no justice in this country at all! Sickening!
Here I was thinking that the law itself is derived from the will of the people, a fact that arrogant insiders like “unnamed legal professional” fail to remember. A system without oversight is automatically doomed to failure.
A number of years ago I was involved in a discussion with a law student, they argued that Joe O’Reilly shouldn’t have been found guilty under the law as it stood. I agreed in theory, but the law and the system that implements it has become warped. In the real world, hanging would be too good for Joe.
We don’t need to know the full story….it’s enough that this man had these images on his computer. What had he got them for do you think? and then got such a light sentence. The judge was totally wrong in this case and others.
With lenient sentences there will be a lot more perverts out there doing what they like when they get away with it. Question how can the judiciary be independent when they are promoted by politicians, also last week a Judge was allegedly approached by a politicians for information.
Well the law truly is an ass in this case if a man goes to prison for tax purposes and the deviants go free..im sorry but im stunned and apalled. There is obviously something very very wrong here.
The law is not really an ass Karen. what is wrong is the fact that courts are places of business $$$$$$. Judges are mere bankers for the court corporations. hence why money is deemed more important than rape of children.
Where is the petition? It can get a lot more than 2000 signatures. The only thing ‘ridiculous’ about the situation is that particular judges suspicious history of leniency!!!!
“Judges cannot do their jobs in fear of a public backlash on every decision.
The constitution guarantees judiciary independence and there are ways for the state to appeal the leniency of a sentence, should they see fit”
What an absolutely ridiculous comment by that unnamed ‘Legal Professional’.
The constitution provides independence to Judges to prevent Political meddling in judgments etc but Judges exist to serve the people, to serve society . . . .The law exists to serve the people, to serve our society.
I know the legal profession often like to think that we all serve the law, that the law is all important and all mighty but it is NOT. The law serves the people, NOT the other way around
Of course the Judiciary should be beholden to the people . . . . .because the people are the country, this society, this state.
You are correct. But check the paperwork etc before the courts and see no service user is a real sovereign Irish wo/man
Judges are simply bankers and service users – with capital letters- are also corporations- that is the only way the court can do business under maritime law.
Notice the new personhood act coming about.. A person is a corporation as opposed to a living breathing sovereign man/woman.
Its all very clever.
What is wrong with people??? ‘Maybe he downloaded the images by mistake’ Christ on a bike you’d do a fair amount of clicking to download 7k worth of images by accident. The real issue here is that the lenience of his ‘sentence’ is absolutely ludicrous. Really think about this, how can this man be allowed to walk among us more or less unpunished? Some comments on here are making me sick.
Again this is just another example of a public servant who believes that they are beyond accountability. Surely the duty of judges is to make decisions without fear or favour.
Without accountability we will continue to be an inept corrupt banana Republic.
yes and name the “charity” that leads outside authority.
Whether he paid for them or not is irrelevant. Its an offence to download then and to have possession of them. Its not a case of how it happened anyway, the fact is he was already found guilty.
I know that Child porn is rated on different levels when it comes to sentencing. And obviously the worse the images the longer the sentence. So you could say that if they were at the lower end of the scale then under current sentencing rules a suspended sentence was justifiable. However 7000 images is beyond justifiable! He should have gotten a custodial sentence. It sends the wrong message out to others.
Simple answer would be to abolish the power to suspend sentences for certain serious crimes. And child porn should be one of those.
The same question has been posed by several people here i.e was it accidently done, etc. Can we find out exactly what came out in court. This article is about the petition so can the journal let us know what the full story is about this case / individual.
we have a high tolerance level towards paedophiles in this country. The poet Cathal O’Searcaigh went to Nepal and exploited young boys but it was okay cos he gave them presents. He is still on the curriculum.
How was the Ballymaloe affair dealt with?
Why is David Norris the darling of the media and why has he never been grilled on his ‘unusual’ views?
I think the petition could get a lot more signatures… Anyone who defends this guy must be well dodgy as well if you ask me. Meanwhile the corrupt bankers etc. etc. feck this. I’m off for breakfast.
Avoid excessive tax – 6 years in jail. Caught in possession of 7,000 images of innocent children being sexually abused? Walk free.
Where do I sign
The ELITE in this country will always escape scotfree. This is just another example of the Bannana Republic we live. Hulk (Phil) hogan’s brother is another example,he avoided prision for been caught well over the limit but when it went to court the doctor in question conviently never turned up i wonder why?? Wink wink brown envelope come into mind.
He downloaded over a thousand of them while out on bail for the rest.
Collectivism holds that the individual has no rights, that his life and work belong to the group (to “society,” to the tribe, the state, the nation) and that the group may sacrifice him at its own whim to its own interests. The only way to implement a doctrine of that kind is by means of brute force — and statism has always been the political corollary of collectivism
COLLECTIVISM …Is Enda Kenny and his motley crew guilty of Collectivism
Collectivism is a concept that the power of society is unlimited. Society may make any laws it wishes, and force them upon anyone in any manner it wishes.
In other-words you only exist to serve the state and embrace ideologies that monopolies and monopolists like Dennis O Brien serve the state at the expense of people’s rights to self-determination.
Total control of the natural resource owned by the people is Collectivism in force and must be resisted.
“We the People hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
If this Government won’t hear the voice of the people, then let them feel their power. When tyranny raises its ugly head, then it can be and must be resisted with whatever force is necessary, be it the spoken word or alternative dimensions.
COLLECTIVISM …Is Enda Kenny and his motley crew guilty of Collectivism
Collectivism is a concept that the power of society is unlimited. Society may make any laws it wishes, and force them upon anyone in any manner it wishes.
In other-words you only exist to serve the state and embrace ideologies that monopolies and monopolists like Dennis O Brien serve the state at the expense of people’s rights to self-determination.
Total control of the natural resource owned by the people is Collectivism in force and must be resisted.
“We the People hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their Safety and Happiness.”
If this Government won’t hear the voice of the people, then let them feel their power. When tyranny raises its ugly head, then it can be and must be resisted with whatever force is necessary, be it the spoken word or alternative dimensions.
I wonder what senator Norris would have to say on the matter?
Judges cannot bow to the will of popular opinion, but they themselves can surely be judged by their peers. A board of supreme court judges and retired judges should be established to examine potential instances of favouritism or misjudgement.
he is so lenient because he is probabally a kiddie fiddler himself
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