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We asked people in Dublin city centre if they're ready to vote on Friday. Alamy Stock Photo

We hit Grafton St to ask people if they understand Friday's referendums... mostly, they don't

If you’re confused, you’re not the only one.

LAST UPDATE | 5 Mar 2024

HAVE YOU DECIDED how you’re going to vote on Friday?

If you haven’t yet, you’ve got quite a bit of company.

In fact, uncertainty seems to have grown as polling day approaches. Over a third were unsure how they will vote in the ‘Women in the home’/Care and Family referendums – up 12 points in a month – in the latest Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll taken over 1-2 March. 

Uncertainty was also the overwhelming response when The Journal asked people on Dublin’s Grafton Street this afternoon whether they understood what they were being asked to vote on, and whether they had decided yet which way they would vote.

Amid a pretty desultory Yes-Yes campaign to date by government and correspondingly muted media coverage, voters said they did not feel they had heard enough yet to make a decision, with several saying they would need to sit down and do their own research before Friday.

Here’s what people told us.

‘I’ve just got a vague idea’

Just three days out from polling day, several people brought up the fact that they had not yet received the information booklets everyone is supposed to receive from the Electoral Commission.

Brian from Dublin was among them.

“I’ve just got a vague idea of what the referendum is about,” he said, adding that he was worried about the consequences of extending the definition of a family unit and how that could create opportunities for people to “game the system”.

In the Family referendum, we’re being asked to vote on whether to extend the definition of a family from that currently in the Constitution – that it’s based on marriage – to encompass families based on “other durable relationships”.

“It’s very unimpressive the way this thing has been rolled out. I haven’t seen or heard any real debate,” Brian said.

There will be a debate on RTÉ’s Prime Time this evening, with Tánaiste Micheál Martin and conservative lawyer Maria Steen expected to argue for Yes-Yes and No-No respectively. There have been some head-to-head debates on radio, although Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Senator Michael McDowell of the No campaign appeared separately this morning on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

Claire (38) also has not yet received her information booklet. She said if it turns up two days before polling that was not enough time, as people needed time to take in its contents.

She said she did not understand the two referendum questions.

“I haven’t seen much written about it and that’s because I haven’t been searching for it but then usually, by osmosis, you do find out what the wording is, and what ‘yes’ is for and what ‘no’ is for?

“At the moment I don’t feel like I’ve got that,” she said.

“I feel like I need to go and do a bit of digging and find my own information.”

She said she had seen people flyering for Yes in her constituency yesterday, the first time she had seen campaigners out from either side.

Fergal (30) said: “I’m going to vote but I feel like I’ve had almost no useful information.

“I appreciate you have to go past the headlines and read up, go through the Electoral Commission [information], but I feel like there’s no real impetus for this one so no-one’s really giving the answers.”

He said he had received his information booklet.

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Older voters and the care referendum

Traditionally, older voters are more likely to turn out to vote.

How do older women, many of whom stayed at home to mind their own children, and who may themselves need care in the coming years, view the upcoming Care referendum?

This will replace the articles – long derided by feminists – that refer to women’s “life within the home” and to mothers’ “duties in the home” with new wording aimed at recognising that care by family members benefits society and asking the state to “strive” support this care.

You can’t vote to take the “duties in the home” stuff out without voting the new care stuff in, however – the government has rolled them together as one vote.

The proposed Care amendment has been criticised as too weak by many carers, as failing to respect the rights of disabled people by Inclusion Ireland, and as ineffective and “implicitly sexist” by the Free Legal Advice Centre. By contrast, the National Women’s Council of Ireland says a ‘yes’ vote will both remove sexist language from the Constitution and recognise care, sending a message to government to support all forms of care.

On Grafton Street, one older woman who declined to give her name said: “I’ve done my best to try and understand it and I don’t know how I’m going to vote.” 

Another said she would “definitely” vote yes, viewing the proposed wording as a “reasonable attempt to address the problems of the 1937 Constitution, which is the ‘role of women’”.

“All my all my life we have been really unhappy about that reference in the Constitution. I think they’ve done a reasonably good job on that and they’ve explained it reasonably well. I think they’ve done much less well on the family one.”

Both these women said they were unsure how to vote on the proposed wording on the family and durable relationships, which they correctly understood was likely to require further interpretation by the courts.

“If it’s vague enough to require interpretation by the courts, I think that’s unsatisfactory,” the second woman said.
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Momentum for Yes-No

Younger voters on Grafton Street also said they had struggled to gain a full understanding of the issues they were being asked to vote on, but several noted momentum towards a Yes-No vote: ‘yes’ on the family referendum and ‘no’ on care on the basis that the proposed wording is not sufficiently progressive. 

Chris (40) from Dublin said he had been getting his information on the referendum from social media, and had also been influenced by the stance taken by Senator Tom Clonan, who has argued that the use of the word “strive” renders the Care referendum meaningless.

Chris noted “momentum that has built around [Clonan] and a few other people”.

Ava (20) said the additional perspectives being voiced on the Care referendum had given her pause.

“I feel like there are lots of sides being brought up, like [to do] with disabilities, that I’ve only just learned about around the wordings, and how it affects not just women,” she said.

Along with her two friends, she has not yet decided how she will vote. All three said they wanted to vote in a way that was feminist but also fair to vulnerable people in society.

“You’re hoping you make the right choice,” Ava said.

Polls open at 7am on Friday and results are expected to be in by Saturday evening. 

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:14 AM

    Oh please give me a break

    If these ” Asylum seekers ” really were in fear for their lives they would have claimed Asylum at the first port of Safety ,not spend thousands travelling through dozens of countries to get to our little Island.

    They are not Asylum seekers

    They are social welfare seekers

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:20 AM

    Cut and paste asset column – cut and paste well done

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:22 AM

    Wrong story chief….

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:33 AM

    My asset, a one way ticket from Ethiopia to Ireland costs about 600 euros, direct flights from Addis Ababa to Istanbul and on to Dublin, first port of call in a European country Ireland, this is just one route, please back up your statement or do not make one, asylum seekers are human and children are children, another institution Ireland and the government want to hide until a scandal breaks which will cost the tax payer much more in the long term.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:50 AM

    Jeez David, better watch out, they don’t like actual facts on Asylum comments. They usual far right crowd will be along after Jeremy Kyle with their red thumbing.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:40 AM

    Istanbul in Turkey? Turkey which is in Europe? The same country which is politically European and made an application to join the EU in 1987? Is that the Istanbul you say you can get a connecting flight to Dublin “their first port of call” in Europe?

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:00 AM

    The majority are coming in through Italy, but then again you know that don’t you.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:18 AM

    @Yaya – yes, because Turkey is in the EU and is, therefore covered by the Dublin Regulation – which, by the way, everyone misquotes.

    But, like I said, no one likes facts here so carry on …

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    Nov 25th 2014, 10:23 AM

    @Dara, Turkey isnt actually in the EU, it is however in Europe

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    Nov 25th 2014, 11:14 AM

    Only 5% of Turkey is in Europe 95% is in Asia.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 12:12 PM

    @Yaya – get that sarcasm detector looked at

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    Nov 25th 2014, 6:14 PM

    3% actually, but politically it is European, which is what we are talking about, it is also not part of the Dublin Regulation

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    Nov 25th 2014, 10:19 PM

    Jesus yaya – do you still not get the sarcasm? Ok I’ll explain it to you – as Turkey is not in the EU it is, therefore not subject to the Dublin Regulation, therefore, your comment re Istanbul being in Europe had absolutely no relevance whatsoever to the one that you tried to undermine.

    I used sarcasm to try to point this out to you but it seems it was a bit too highbrow for you.

    I’ll stick to Daily Mail formatting in future.

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    Nov 26th 2014, 5:34 AM

    That comment wasn’t in response to yours at all Dara

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    Nov 25th 2014, 7:54 AM

    Upon their 18th birthday, return them to their country of origin as they are now no longer children.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 10:14 AM

    Why?

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:16 AM

    How does a minor get on a plane in the first place? Surely the airlines have a responsibility in this as I fail to see how a 14 y.o child can arrive up to a check in desk with a one way ticket to Ireland without raising suspicion.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:23 AM

    Because they come by land. My guess would be that their families get the funds together for the people smugglers and then when their kid is set up, they follow them over or at least have a source of funds from Europe going forward. Also, having no ID on them they can lie about their ages etc. We all know that the majority want to live in countries like the UK and Germany, Ireland has just become a one stop shop for a European passport. Its just a big con game run by people smuggling cartels that promise these people the moon and stars for a few thousand dolors.
    At the end of the day its the tax payer that suffers and it puts pressure on the social welfare system etc.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:30 AM

    Fair point Damien. I do remember watching a few programmes where people were claiming that they were under-age in order to claim asylum but I never thought of it the other way around.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 6:42 AM

    So, where are those missing children?

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:56 AM

    Faded into the background (if nothing sinister has happened). I know a family who fostered an afghani boy for 12yrs – his parents were dead. As soon as he turned 18, he was sent to a DP Centre.

    The family fought to keep him but we’re told no. He’s studying now whilst waiting on the outcome of an application – the family were advised not to stay in contact and were warned that they cannot give him any financial support.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:07 AM

    The ‘missing children’ are possibly now living illegally in Ireland.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:18 AM

    Well said! The old ‘first port of call’ and ‘ship them back brigade’ still alive and kicking I see. Just as well the U.S. doesn’t have the same attitude to irish undocumented, sticking them in direct provision centres for example. But then, I guess most Irish who abuse the American immigration system are our ‘own’ grand fellas, not like these dark types coming over here to our fair Isle. Hypocrisy, the worst Irish trait, and not a word of concern for the children who have gone missing on our watch.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:21 AM

    Agreed Joanne

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:47 AM

    Actually if found they are deported. First they are taken to a prison, processed, and then shipped out. What is your point. The same thing happens to white people and white asylum seekers. Continue with your Irish bashing all you want, its obvious who the racist is in this case.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 9:12 AM

    Can you tell me how many Irish citizens claimed asylum in the US in the last 50 years ?

    There is no comparison at all.

    Illegal Irish people in the US are (by and large) economic migrants who have chosen to enter (and remain) illegal. If found they should be arrested and deported – just like all ‘illegals’ the world over.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 10:17 AM

    What a crying shame for this country that you never need to emigrate Larry….. Well there’s always hope.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 1:14 PM

    Racist? Please, the only racists around here are those who see one rule for certain ethnicities and different ones for others. As for your assertion that they face deportation ‘if found’ etc that may happen on occasion, and that is the risk you run when you break the law, but where are they sent back to? Ireland… hardly a war zone or the most dangerous place to be if you’re a woman/homosexual/religious minority and so on. And still not a word on the missing children.

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    Nov 25th 2014, 8:22 AM

    This was meant in response and support to David Hughes’ comment above

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    Nov 25th 2014, 10:19 AM

    How can you blame these young vulnerable persons for not wanting to go through the direct provision system ?!
    I have great admiration for these ‘now’ brave young men.. Let’s pray that they are safe and secure and that they also have a wonderful future (wherever that maybe)

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