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Lee Carsley, right, says he will not sing either national anthem when England play Ireland in Dublin this evening. PA

English media outrage as Lee Carsley opts not to sing national anthems

Carsley said that he has never sung a national anthem as Ireland player or England coach and is set to stick with that stance.

LEE CARSLEY HAS come under pressure from sections of England’s media after indicating that he will not sing either the Irish or English national anthems in the Aviva Stadium this evening.

Carsley, who takes charge of England for the first time in Saturday’s Nations League opener against Ireland, said that he has never sung a national anthem as Ireland player or England coach and is set to stick with that stance.

The 50-year-old says the Dublin clash will be a “proud moment for myself and my family”, but singing either anthem looks out of the question for a player that represented Ireland 40 times as player.

“This is something that I always struggled with when I was playing for Ireland,” Birmingham-born Carsley said of anthems.

“The gap between your warm-up, your coming on to the pitch and the delay with the anthems. So it’s something that I have never done.

“I was always really focused on the game and my first actions of the game. I really found that in that period I was wary about my mind wandering off.

“I was really focused on the football and I have taken that in to coaching.

“We had the national anthem with the U21s also and I am in a zone at that point.

“I am thinking about how the opposition are going to set up and our first actions within the game.

“I fully respect both anthems and understand how much they mean to both countries. It’s something I am really respectful of.”

Carsley’s comments provoked a backlash in Saturday’s papers, most notably in the Daily Telegraph where chief football correspondent Jason Burt argued that “if Carsley doesn’t sing [the] anthem, he can’t expect to manage England”.

Meanwhile, the Daily Mail’s front page splash describes the “disbelief and anger” at Carsley’s position, while journalist Jeff Powell branded it a “betrayal”.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:07 PM

    Replace right wing with left wing and the headline sentence is exactly the same

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:16 PM

    @Johnny King:
    Agreed.
    Extremists, on either side, are not big into building consensus.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:13 PM

    @Johnny King: until these terms stop making money for the media we will continue to hear about it.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:54 PM

    There is no far right in Ireland. Just people with common sense. The brutal truth is those who disagree are part of the establishment!

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:59 PM

    @Irish Axe: Oh, there are far right here alright.

    They burn down hotels and hostels.

    And attack those they chose to dislike.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 9:10 PM

    @Irish Axe: Yup, typically transparent attempt to convert various lawlessness and extreme anti-social behaviour into ‘common sense’. At least you didn’t fall back on ‘patriotism’.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 11:42 PM

    @Irish Axe: Wrong. Dumb fks without a decent bone in their body.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 11:51 PM

    @Irish Axe: #0.9%

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    Jun 15th 2024, 11:52 PM

    @Irish Axe: you’re right as the far-right only got less than 1% of support. Common sense voted 52% for FFG so eat that!!!!!

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:49 AM

    @9QRixo8H: It’s so p@ťhetically funny seeing the usual sč̣obie brigade constantly harping on about the far right bogeymen, when in reality they refer to ordinary people that don’t want our country further destroyed by foreigners.

    It’s a psychotic condition, often associated with taking hallucinogenic drugs, and is especially prevalent amongst a number of cohorts.

    These include existing illegal immigrants, people working in the NGO illegal immigration industry as well as our own lifelong dole merchants who believe that there is a limitless amount of money and homes for a limitless stream of illegal immigrants.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 10:29 AM

    @Thomas Sheridan: I think you hit nearly every dog-whistle point. Well done!

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    Jun 25th 2024, 11:16 AM

    @Irish Axe: There is a right wing, they believe everything on social media and all sorts of weird and wonderful story’s.
    A lot of it is completely off the wall.
    One great lie that did the rounds was bus loads of immigrant’s been bused around to vote as instructed. Depending on where you are , it was the greens, FF, FG, SF and even a few independents were accused of it. Off the wall stuff!
    If you read their literature , they are far right and bigotry and discrimination are not common sense.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:23 PM

    The problem is they moved the centre. Nothing wrong with being right wing in the traditional sense. It’s good for those of that persuasion to have suitable candidates. Because the main parties made a bollix of immigration policies, it opened the door for far right cabbages to make themselves known. The far right will simply drop off if we get immigration fixed, a big ask, admittedly. I don’t think expecting sensible border controls to be a right wing thing anyway. All parties should be in favour of that.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:58 PM

    @ecrowley ecrowley: No, they didn’t move to the center.

    (Economic) Right wing parties want open borders.
    That gives employers a greater pool of people seeking employment, keeping wages lower than they would otherwise be.
    That gives businesses larger markets for their goods and services, increasing profits.
    That creates more demand for housing, benefiting landlords, developers, banks, estate and rental agents, solicitors…

    It is harmful to people already here.

    But we don’t count.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:27 PM

    Had to stop reading such a pompous, cracked, old age mouth scutterer rambling. There’s alot wrong that’s gone on/is happening in the workings of this country, and no matter how you paint it, reality is sf/sd’s are up in councils seats while ffgrns are down over 100 between them. This will continue going into a general election with right sided parties (mainly independent Ireland) gaining ground slowly also.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:39 PM

    @James Reardon: The government parties are down 67 between them. I think you’ll find that that isn’t ‘over 100′.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 9:17 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: oh well, still down a nice chunk. Good to see one of the journal comment dwellers on standby for correction. *thumbs up

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    Jun 15th 2024, 9:58 PM

    Seems anything right-leaning is “far right” for this current Government that does literally everything against its own system.

    Hypocritical click bait article.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:02 AM

    Nope, our right-leaning govt have 52% of support, but your far-right has zero percent of support!!! And we will go more rightwing in bringing in more landlordism and vulture funds because that is what is needed and you far right don’t understand this

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:31 AM

    @9QRixo8H: “You you you”, don’t ever recall posting my political stance. Do you make it a habit projecting yourself onto others, putting words into peoples’ mouths? Sound like a clown doing that.

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    @Kieran Menon: Peadar constantly sounds like a clown, I wouldn’t place any stock the ramblings of such a cr3tin.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 9:50 PM

    Left wing? Right wing? No difference, really. Both are ultimately equally illiberal and authoritarian in their outlook. Each knows what’s good for you because you don’t, and they believe society needs to be strictly managed in accordance with their narrow vision, and if you don’t get with their program, you will be disciplined. You may even need to be re-educated! Strangely and somewhat slyly, they never tell you all this before they get into power, though. The older I get, the more cynical I become…

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:59 PM

    Activist journalism. The heads on those
    “journalists”. All nerdy nutjobs.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:05 AM

    He’s going mad that his parties go 0.9%!!!!!! His twitter is FULL of extreme-right reposts but sure he’s not far right he’s normal would never support a holocaust or racial segregation, right? RIGHT?

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    Jun 16th 2024, 1:16 AM

    So F ing sick of this ‘far right’ rhetoric. Most of my families’ husbands and wives are from outside of Ireland… guess what though?? They came here with a legal Visa. This current Government and their Civil Servants couldn’t appoint one person who could even organise a school register legitimately let alone the electoral register. I for one am done.

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:55 PM

    One of the commenters in another article was throwing around the term insanity when it is pointed out that the taxpayers are funding the modelling community to say the planet is burning up, boiling, and things like that. This three-ring circus of academics, politicians, and the electorate is a remarkable spectacle as an exercise in dysfunctional social engineering.

    The trap is to believe in left and right politics when the dynamics are academic politics operating through a social-political conduit, and reactions to this are seen as right politics. Journalists like the idea of left/right politics, but it is a distraction from people who like to be fair rather than ideologues.

    Look at how academia works and how nature is incidental.

    https://youtu.be/WsMUrW1PbxQ?si=pingBM6HMV2KmBV3

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    Jun 15th 2024, 8:54 PM

    Restricting female bodily aurltonomy is not far right, who celebrated the success of Franco against the democratically elected government of Spain, the Vatican and the Catholic Church in Ireland, seems that the Irish never knew that who led them were far right for many years.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 5:19 AM

    Thoroughly enjoying the demise of SF

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    Jun 16th 2024, 5:49 AM

    @John D Doe: The party that increased its representation at both local and EU level?

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    Jun 16th 2024, 8:35 PM

    Burning down abandoned hotels is nothing compared to what SF were doing during their ‘Long War’ .
    There are five councillors elected who are critical of immigration. That is five out of one thousand.
    And the thing is they are right, we have not enforced our own laws on immigration.
    Far right (and Far left) means concentration camps – think Hitler, Stalin & Co.
    Anyone throwing that terminology around in this country should be locked up – just so they know what they are saying.

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    Jun 16th 2024, 12:15 PM

    $tup!d is the new clever and if you disagree your $tup!d

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