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LAST UPDATE | 26 Sep 2024
THE ECONOMIC & Social Research Institute has said the proposed residential zoned land tax should be implemented without delay.
The ESRI today released its Quarterly Economic Commentary for Autumn 2024 and noted that the land tax has been identified as a means to target “land hoarding in the residential market”.
It said that reducing the cost of residential land is “one practical way the Government can improve the efficiency and productivity with which housing is supplied to the market”.
Residential Zoned Land Tax will be targeted at unused land, which has been zoned or classified as a site for housing.
The tax would include mixed-land sites, where other services may also be built on the site, and the rate is set at 3% of the land’s market value.
The market value is self-assessed by the landowner.
While Green Party leader Roderic O’Gorman last month acknowledged that the 3% rate was significantly high, he added that it is designed to make it so those who are seen to be “hoarding” land pay a fee on the unused land, develop housing on the site or sell it on to someone who will develop the land.
However, farmers believe that the fee unfairly targets them as some of their land may go unused for particular portions of the year.
The measure was announced in Budget 2022, and there was a long lead in time to allow landowners to be out on notice.
It was planned for the new tax to kick in in February, with bills coming due next May.
However, Taoiseach Simon Harris last month said “no active farmer is going to pay a residential land tax” under his Government, and warned that further delays in implementing the tax were possible.
Harris said the Government will collectively decide on the approach taken to the matter in the Budget on 1 October.
In its Quarterly Economic Commentary, the ESRI acknowledged that some debate has “focussed on the difficulties which some farmers may experience if the tax were to go ahead, as they would be liable for the tax on land used for agricultural purposes”.
Despite this debate, the ESRI said it is “crucially important that the implementation of this tax proceeds immediately”.
It said that addressing land prices is “arguably the only way policymakers can significantly reduce the cost of supplying a house”, as most other cost elements, such as labour and materials, are broadly outside the control of the Government.
“By addressing possible land hoarding, the price of land can be targeted, thereby potentially reducing a cost of production which, typically, accounts for approximately 15 to 20 percent of the cost of a residential unit,” said the ESRI in its commentary.
Speaking on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland, co-author of the report Kieran Quinn said it’s important that the tax is “brought into being as quickly and as efficiently as possible”.
“That would facilitate land to come on stream, and ultimately that would have an impact in terms of reducing the cost of housing and providing housing and that’s a key policy issue at the present time, to deliver as much housing as we can.”
Asked by The Journal this morning about the ESRI’s remarks, Green Party leader Roderic O’Gorman said that he welcomed the research group’s support for the measure.
“I don’t have any detailed update other than engagements with the Department of Finance and indeed, the Department of Housing are ongoing,” he said.
Asked if the tax will be included in this year’s budget, O’Gorman told The Journal: “It’ll have to be part of the budgetary package. Yes.”
Includes reporting by Muiris O’Cearbhaill
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The Democrats will not accept the result.
@Mike Doe: That’s a blatant lie. Clinton called Trump and conceded quite early on. Trumpernazi and the republiclowns are the ones that refuse to accept the democratic will of the people and incited an insurrection in which people died.
@Garry Coll: Bullshyte.
@Ian: it is an absolute fact
@Ian: how is Trump a nazi when his daughter converted to Judaism and is married to a jew
@Mike Doe: ‘you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts’ (Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
@Cole Palmer: You do know that Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump are two different people, right?
@Cole Palmer: oh yeh .. impossible right. And Elon with a transgender daughter – he’s fully supportive of her isn’t he…. Oh hang on.
@Ian: Calm it down, kid. Do you have nothing better to be working on in your own life?
@Cole Palmer: Maybe she did it to let daddy know she hates him. Just a thought mind..
@Mick O’K: The only reason she and every other January 6th protester was there was because of Trump’s lie about the election being stolen.
@Frank Marker: truth but let’s be honest Frank democrat supporters protested in 2016 too because of who was elected. The myth that “people” died on J6 has to addressed too. One person died as a direct result of that protests
@Mick O’K: I don’t think you truly realize the significance of what happened and was attempted that day. The disruption, violence and the number of law enforcement officers in the nation’s Capitol that were assaulted trying to prevent a mob interfere with the constitutional process of ratifying an election (presided over by Trump’s own VP, Mike Pence) which to this day has yet to be proven by multiple state and federal courts to have been other than fair. Those protesters were there because they believed Donald Trump’s lie.
@Ian: These accounts are trolls. Unemployed by the looks of the sheer number of comments through out the day. In any case, anyone who can’t recognise obvious lies relating to Trump by this stage isn’t the reasoning kind.
@Numinous20111: you’re on here as often as anyone my friend. Calling people trolls because you don’t agree with them is at this point tired and old. So by your logic I hope the job hunting goes well for you
@Trump24: If you could point out what federal or state court has indicated that the result of the 2020 election was other than Biden winning, I would be interested. Ironically the ‘24 in your Trump24 moniker could actually turn out to be the Trump cult’s ‘expiration date’ if he loses this election. But it speaks volumes that either way if he officially wins or loses, you still think Trump winning is a foregone conclusion.
@Frank Marker: why was there protests in ‘16 Frank? Was there arrests made that day, how many police were on duty
@Mick O’K: in 2017 Hillary Clinton didn’t invite and assemble a rally on the mall from which a mob assaulted and disrupted the then VP Joe Biden carrying out his constitutional duty ratifying the election of Donald Trump as President. She and former president Obama had the decency to attend Trump’s inauguration The events of January 6th 2021 happened because Trump lied about the election being stolen.
@Stopthelights: a right to assembly is in the constitution.
@Mick O’K: I have protested a few dodgy VAR decisions. Doesn’t mean the team don’t accept it. Clinton conceded the same night. Trump filed 60 pointless lawsuits and harassed officials to ‘find’ votes.
@Numinous20111: employed by Russia you mean
@Mick O’K: Face facts. Trump is the only US president to attempt to hold on to power after losing an election.
@Setanta O’Toole: whatever about him asking to find votes he was well within his rights to appeal the outcome. Do you think a democrat candidate has never done that?
@Cole Palmer: if trump talks like a nazi, has policies like a nazi and wants to act like a nazi – he’s a Nazi
@Mick O’K: i know they didn’t do it in 2016, which was what you were implying.
@Mick O’K: He didn’t just ‘appeal the outcome’. He lied that the election was stolen, over and over, and tried to overturn it by corrupt means (he pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to ‘find 11,780 votes’ and overturn the state’s election results, for example).
The fact that you are defending this attempt to subvert US democracy says a lot about you.
@Faejit Balloobas: ok fajita whatever you say. Good goyim.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Explain why a Jew, Miriam Adelson worth 34 billion, is Trumps biggest donor? I think she would know more about him than you.
@Cole Palmer: maybe it’d for the promised big tax cuts for the very wealthy
@Setanta O’Toole: try Al Gore
@Brendan O’Brien: says more about you Brendan when you’re asked to acknowledge words that he spoke (that don’t suit you) and you ran away from an answer
@Cole Palmer: Elon Musk is Trump’s biggest *known* donor.
Putin is probably Trump’s biggest donor.
@Mick O’K: yeah, you were talking about 2016 though, as was I. Shifting the goalposts again Mick.
@Mick O’K: I did acknowledge that he made a mealy-mouthed effort to cover his a*** on 6 January after whipping his supporters up for two months with lies.
@Setanta O’Toole: read what you replied to and tell me where I mentioned 2016. As it happens I’ll just say Stacey Abrahams and Hakeen Jeffries are both on record denying election results from 16
@Brendan O’Brien: course you did. Clarify it now as you have not. Did Trump say go peacefully and patriotically to the crowd. Anything other than a yes or no is a refusal to answer Brendan
@Mick O’K: Had he lied about the election outcome for two months at that stage? Was that a bad thing to do?
It’s not just a matter of what happened on 6 January, which you’re so keen to defend.
@Mick O’K: I was replying to your comment saying did I think no democrat ever protested a result saying I know that the candidate didn’t protest the result in 2016, (which is what we were talking about originally) saying ‘Try Al Gore’ – that was 2000. It was a strawman argument. I didn’t deny that they had protested results in the past. Do you believe the 2020 election was rigged?
@Brendan O’Brien: refusal of answer yet again
@Setanta O’Toole: no and I’ve never said it was either
@Mick O’K: Well at least that, for what it’s worth I reckon he might win this time. You’ll have to break the champers out.
@Setanta O’Toole: not a school night I won’t..
@Mick O’K: make week nights great again.
I think there should be a public holiday for trumps epic win :)
@Mick O’K: armed, climbing into the building via a broken window .
@Mick O’K: Six people died…
@Tracy Moore: that’s a myth Tracy the only persons death that can be legally connected to J6 is Ashli Babbit. That’s a fact
@sean weir: armed? Climbing into windows was silly as the police were holding doors open too
@Setanta O’Toole: was too fond of that back in the day my friend. I might hit the chocolate and Pringles though
@Sean: Tax cuts for the wealthy? Biden – Harris administration has more billionaire donors than Trump.
@Garry Coll: they will because they will win.
@Garry Coll: neither will you clearly
@Cole Palmer: two things can be true at the same time. I personally don’t think he is a nazi but he is fascist.
@Garry Coll: d1ck head with a capital D
@Cole Palmer: who’s using the family brain cell?
@Faejit Balloobas: how stupid are u
@Trump24: was your brain stolen as well?
@Patrick Roche: George Floyd
@Garry Coll: the illness off projection is strong in you lad , maybe time to get some help
@Mick O’K: micky boy I watched the whole j6 thing evolve ,from Dublin Ireland and how you refuse to see the orange thing caused it all , Is the reason that everytime humanity takes steps forward some shit head turns up and trys to destroy
The orange lad will kick up a bigger fuss if he loses.
@Willie Marty: and pantifa will start riots if he wins
@Oh Mammy: ANTIFA are harmless to regular people. Let them destroy their cesspool cities like they did in the blm ‘movement’ in 2020. Who cares.
@Cole Palmer: when the looting starts…. :)
@Oh Mammy: what does PANTIFA stand for?
Harris definitely has the momentum now, Trump was tetchy, unhinged and angry during all his rallies over the weekend. You can tell he’s on the backfoot now because unlike previous rallies he is really lashing out at the press and media and claiming the election is about to be stolen from him. A good barometer of his prospects for winning is his DJT truth Media stock on the NASDAQ and it has fallen 41% just in the last 3 days after previously being up when he looked good in the polls, so a lot of his backers are spooked and pulling their money out now in case he loses. If he was such a shoo-in for winning that stock would still be going up.
The betting market odds have also tightened dramatically. Given the fact that it’s usually young males that place the most online bets and that demographic is heavily skewed towards Trump you would expect Trump to be much further ahead on online betting. It won’t be about betting odds or DJT stock, it will be about turnout and the demographic that heavily supports Harris are women and statistically they are more likely to cast a vote than men, especially young men. Not saying it’s not close but Harris looks to be in better position than Trump.
@Frank Marker: it’s even in the polls but I think that favours Trump he usually out performs the polls. If he wins at least we won’t have to hear kamalas cackling for 4 years.
@Frank Marker: hopefully he doesn’t lose can’t bear the idea of listening to kamala for four years. Like nails on a chalkboard.
@Sam Flynn: Polling companies have been adjusting their methodology/sampling for polls in this election to compensate/offset that phenomenon where Trump supporters are reticent to participate or tell the truth in polls. Normally Trump’s been claiming that he’s way ahead in the polls but this past weekend was the first time he has really started claiming the polls are rigged and lashing out at the media, even complaining about FOX NEWS for running ads for Harris and for also giving airtime to Democrats on Fox News shows. He seems to be particularly more worried now than before.
@Frank Marker: I don’t if it’s this close I do think that favours Trump and also claiming Trump is lashing out is all based on perspective if someone doesn’t like Trump and gets there news from sources biased against him they will say he’s lashing out but he could just be giving his opinion on matters.
@Sam Flynn: you should have gone to bed hours ago.
@Alan: OK.
@Frank Marker: It’s hilarious how invested you boys are in this charade. I wonder will you get more riled up if your favourite puppet loses the all important race!
@Frank Marker: think your watching something else son
@Sam Flynn: and watching trump get more and more unhinged would be better?
If Trump is elected (which is looking increasingly unlikely) he would destroy America both economically and ethically.
Let’s hope for an emphatic Harris win and the end of Trump and Trumpism.
@Conrad Stapletwin: I’m afraid it won’t be the end of Trumpism, his spawn are already being lined up
Ban guns.
@Ann Nugent: guns are awesome
@Ann Nugent: Banjos
Once Trump is defeated, hes gone. We will never have to hear his name again.
@Paul whitehead: apart from sentincing at the end of the month.
He won’t run as a candidate again but he could effectively stay as the figurehead of the Republicans, if he can’t get back as president, he may be happy to decide the direction of the party going forward. May not be likely, can see him throwing the toys out of the pram
@Paul whitehead: When he loses what is the likelihood of a civil war within the Republican Party?
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: would say fairly low, Trump has been fairly effective at purging descent within the party and has gotten rid of most of the moderates, leaving your MGT’s etc. Think it’s going to be the same insanity until at least 28
@Paul whitehead: If Trump loses then the following will happen. He will contest the result by literally any means possible. He will coerce the Republican Party to support these efforts. He will continue to be the figurehead for MAGA and the leader of the eratz-Republican movement. If he doesn’t run again (campaigns start in only 2 years time) then he will act as king-maker for the next candidate. He will appeal any legal convictions and bog down the processes for years. He is unlikely to be jailed. He will continue to have a SM and public rally presence. Even when he dies, his supporters will continue to revere him. We are very unlikely to be free of Trump in our lifetimes.
@Numinous20111: Trump may well go broke even if he doesn’t go to jail. He has enough legal issues to be a defendant for the rest of his life.
@Faejit Balloobas: Putin will continue to fund Trump and long as he is a source of chaos.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Nailed it.
AND every person that follows him now has a plan to gut the Administrative State and remove all checks and balances on Executive Power. So much for the Founders hopes for a balance of power between the three branches of Govt. This can’t be put back into the bottle. “They’re not going back”.
It will take a pretty terrible event for them to slink away. Defeating Trump isn’t going to do it.
@Tricia G28: checks and balances Tricia? Who wants to pack the court again remind everyone
Calm before the storm, both sides are both equally going to cause unrest when their candidate doesn’t win the election…
@Kieran Menon: But only one of the candidates faces huge legal problems and potentially more felonies or maybe even prison time if they lose, so his incentive to not accept a loss is obvious
@Kieran Menon: I suspect you’re wrong in that assertion. It’ll be the republiclown extremists that will lose their minds if their convicted orange sex offender loses.
@Ian: The demorats tears will be delicious when Trump wins again
@Ian: they’re
@Ian: buddy, I’ve lost count of the amount of tantrums, vandalism, spiteful hate and such done by liberals… both sides got their problems.
@Kieran Menon: Indeed.. but only one candidate has refused to say whether they will accept the outcome of the election.. the same one who refuses to accept the outcome of the 2020 election and faces charges of conspiring to overturn said election.. I’ll let you work out which one. I’d say it’s fairly obvious as to where the ” unrest ” will actually come from should this candidate loose again.. and how supporters will react, like they did on Capitol Hill in 2021.
@Ian: you are aware if he was a convicted sex offender he’d be in prison right
@Mick O’K: Correct, he was only found liable by a jury of “sexual abuse”, not “rape”. However in many US states other than New York with it’s narrow, technical meaning of the crime of “rape”, it’s more than likely he probably would have been found guilty for that too.
@Frank Marker: yet still no criminal charges not matter how the offence is defined
@Mick O’K: Correct, the jury found Trump guilty of ‘sexual abuse’ in the E.Jean Carroll civil court case. However, a jury in the illegal classifying hush money / loan repayments to his lawyer Michael Cohen as “legal fees” did convict him on 34 felony counts (which are criminal convictions) for which he has a sentencing hearing later this month. So he has a lot riding on the outcome of the election.
@Mick O’K: no he’s been found civilly liable of SA, criminal charges for this couldn’t have been brought due to the length of time between what he did and the reporting of it.
If it makes you feel better, he is a 17 times felon in the hush money case. So not exactly a stand up guy.
@Frank Marker: deflecting Frank? That’s a new angle for you
@Mick O’K: Sorry if I gave that impression, let me clarify, he’s a convicted felon for fraud for which he has a scheduled sentencing hearing later this month and in another case, a civil case, was found guilty by a jury for sexual abuse.
@Frank Marker: you’re still deflecting from what I said in reply to another post
@Cole Palmer: yet another account, how many is that now?
@Mick O’K: No he’s not, he’s just not saying what YOU want to hear, to calm your deluded thinking!!!
@Kieran Menon: The alphabet brigade democrats don’t worry me soon time for their purge.
@Mick O’K: “man” who boasts about how he would ” grab ‘em by the pussy” was found guilty by jury of his peers of sexual assault. He is now legally defined as a sexual predator..a quite apt definition for someone bought Ms Teen USA pagent and use walked in on naked under age girls, some as young as 15, getting changed. Then boasted about it on Howard Stern “You know they’re standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that.” But I suppose it being the last day and all that, you’re gonna all in and down to the very bottom of the barrel to defend the deplorable actions of this absolute sleezebag. Stay classy Mick.
@Brian: read what I posted Brian. He is not no matter what way you want it to be a convicted sex offender. That’s an absolute fact
@Mick O’K: Read what I said. He is legally defined as a sexual predator.. and if it makes you feel better, in your long and tiresome defence campaign of him, that technically he is not a convicted sex offender..off with you. You conveniently ignore the litany of grossly inappropriate sexual behaviour including sexualising his own daughter… I mean politics aside… I’ve no idea why anybody would defend or promote this despicable man.. perhaps you can shed some light on the matter?
@Kieran Menon: they don’t have the same IQ
@Brian: more lies
@Brian: ok again and slowly this time. Read what I replied to Brian just try that
@Mick O’K: I read it Mick, and responded twice.. but for the 3rd time, because you’re either slow or purposely deflecting.. you’re not supporting a convicted sex offender.. just someone who is legally defined as a sexual predator.. obviously you find enough in the difference between the two to throw your unwavering support behind said sexual predator.. that’s the only logical conclusion here.. because aside from taking the time to repeat, ad nauseam, he’s not a convicted sex offender, you’ve ignored a) the fact he’s legally a sexual predator and b) the litany of other disgusting sexual behaviour.. why won’t you comment on it Mick ?
@They’re: Wrong.
@Brian: you need help reading my friend. I can’t help you understand the post I replied to. I’ll see you on the next one
@Mick O’K: You won’t comment because you can’t defend those actions.. so it’s easier to ignore them. I’m not sure what type of person you’d have to be to hold women in such disdain as to ignore the actions of a sexual predator and support that person for political office.. I suppose you’re the only one who can really answer that.. Have a long hard look in the mirror Mick..
@Brian: I’m completely fine with looking at myself in the mirror every day my friend. If you want to go along with misinformation that’s on you. What you’re annoyed with is that I posted a really simple, verifiable fact to a poster who doesn’t know what he’s commenting about. That’s the simple fact of the matter. If you don’t like that, fine. Have a great day. What are your thoughts on Biden putting babies feet in his mouth? Or how he’s touched children during his time in office ? His daughter’s diary? You’ll say I’m deflecting but what he’s done is extremely inappropriate
I actually couldn’t give a F about this farce anymore… the World has gone mad when out of the population of the US they can only find two ‘best candidates’ to run- pick some red neck visiting Wal-Mart buying a gun FFS.
@Donna Fallon: I’m sure they care what you think Karen
@Mike Doe: You’re the Karen here, pal. The state of you, slagging some random lady over a politely put opinion. Hahahaha, I bet you don’t even have your own local, never mind real mates. Stop picking on girls, kid.
@Mike: lady? lol
@Mike: Mike Doe, ah the aul Mike Doe sure he’s only having a bit of craic bless the aul sod begorrah, he hasn’t a lot else going on to occupy the mind
@Mike Doe: You seem to like bullying women on here, but if the worst insult you can come up with is calling someone Karen we won’t worry lol
Women will save US democracy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/03/harris-wife-trump-husband-ad/
Wait and witness the crying lying sex offender fraudster, orange thing scream and shout it was an unfair election
Heads up folks. Trump will declare an early victory and then go nuts again when he looses. Same playbook as last time only he seems to be loosing the early vote too this year.
Congratulations on your splendid victory President of Peace Donald Trump
@Trump24: is one phrase we are, hopefully, unlikely to hear.
@Colm O’ Shea: It’s done he has won the election mikes ahead
@Trump24: *miles
@Trump24: on what planet is he miles ahead, because its not this one. It looked 50-50 for weeks but in fact there seems to be a last minute swing towards Harris.
@Dermot Blaine: Watch the results he will win comfortably
@Dermot Blaine: He only looked like he was ahead because of shite polls.
All the meaningful indicators and common sense had Kamala ahead.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: indeed and Trump knows it, it’s why he’s in panic mode
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: Are they the ones that said Hilary would win??
Everyone should watch this, from Mary Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0h0P_xq6s
The far and ultra right wont get it though.
@ItWasLikeThatWhenIGotHere: What about the super deluxe, mega right? Will they get it?
The Trump campaign (in association with Project 2025) have laid out some basic requirements for fitness to serve in a 2nd Trump administration. The following is not a joke and the video can be viewed online. No one with significant debts, or who has been declared bankrupt will be fit to serve. No one with any convictions for tax evasion, fraud and embezzlement. You can guess how these people will square the circle about this and Trump himself. The troll accounts here do it every day.
@Numinous20111: so pretty much standard things for being a member of Government? You seem to have a knack for making mountains from molehills. Good lad.
@JP Fox: his point, which you are deliberately avoiding, is that Trump doesn’t meet most of the criteria himself.
@Dermot Blaine: A bit like Hitler not meeting the Big Blue-eyed Blond Aran ideal.
Trump alredy explaining why he lost
Kamala winning. All over for the cat and dog eating orange ape
@Patrick Roche: if u have to stoop that low, U should have a serious lookat your attitude
Any chance of reporting on the horrendous assault suffered by a young boy in Roscommon on Saturday (allegedly) by foreign men? Didn’t think so.
I can’t wait to hear Kamala’s dignified victory speech but don’t believe there will be a congratulatory one from Trump. If he was a decent person he would do that but he’s not.
@Máire K: Don’t think she will be able to do dignified, If she wins she won’t be able to resist having another melt down pulling Trump apart She has done nothing but this in her speeches, I am no supporter of Trump far from it but she is a bitter person with no idea about running America where was she for the last 4 years ? GOD help America if these 2 are the best people for President
It is going to be a Trump landslide.
@Dan Murphy: the lefty meltdown will be epic
Trump and his maga muppets already stirring it up with alleged vote cheating. Hopefully he loses but that’s generating fear as to what he and his dimwit following will do.
@Eddienowy Byrne: not so bright yourself then
Trump is a flawed candidate but he’s the better choice for the job. I strongly disagree with his tariff policy and I wish that he had the balls to privatise Social Security and Medicare but he’s night and day better than Harris. Harris, not only supports Trump’s positions on tariffs and Social Security + Medicare, she also supports government intervention and rent control in the housing market, price controls on supermarkets, large tax hikes on those who create wealth in the country, minimum wage increases, expanding maternity leave and student loan forgiveness. Her policies are just too left-wing for me to support and while Trump has a few misguided policies too, you never get a candidate that you agree with 100%. I’ve got family over in Boston and that’s why they’re voting for him.
I’d rather vote for Arnold from different strokes. (Btw , If he wasn’t dead)
https://youtu.be/nflgbhywDRY?si=V1SkiFxIVo6Bw_NB
This tell you all you need to know about these rallyies. When Cardi Bs teleprompter broke down during a Harris rally, the results were hilarious. Her impassioned endorsement suddenly fell silent until someone found a phone with her script so she could continue.
It appears one is a Capitalist and one is a Socialist. Which one do you think would be the better person to lead their country?
@Andy Preneur: only appears that way to the willfully blind
@Andy Preneur: One is a Capitalist, the other is a Fascist.
How dare we speak Merry Christmas!
I know the result now. Trump LOST
@Patrick Roche: U really are sa smart fella
If you paid more attention to what is happening here you would be better served
The US pres is now a puppet,a front for the people with real power.
Like our mascot in The Aras.
If we don’t know the projected winner by 10-11pm ET then then the whole thing will gradually ease toward a Harris win. Just like with oden last time in. PA
Ha ha love the orange wig under hat. No orange face though
have your say