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Can’t wait for payday? Here’s how you can claim some of your tax back

First things first, all employees should file a tax return.

AFTER THE FESTIVE season, some people may be in need of a financial boost, and claiming back the tax you’re owed is one good way to do so.

It’s something many of us don’t do, but can be well worthwhile – And January is as good a time as any to start, with the latest tax year having just ended.

First things first: if you’re an employee, you should file a tax return.

Marian Ryan, consumer tax manager with Taxback.com, recently told The Journal’s Explainer podcast that around 500,000 people leave tax refunds sitting on the table.

“If there is a refund there, Revenue is more than willing to pay it out, but the problem is it’s on us to go and get that refund and file that tax return,” said Ryan.

She said that there is a “huge lack of awareness” to what people are entitled.

“We really should get into the mindset of, ‘it’s January, the year is done and I can go and get my refund now’.”

Most employees pay tax through the PAYE (Pay As You Earn) system.

This means that your employer deducts the tax you owe directly from your wages and pays this tax directly to Revenue but it also means many employees have never filled out an income tax return.

“There is no obligation for us to file a tax return, but everyone can and it’s quite straightforward,” said Ryan.

This can be done on Revenue.ie or via a MyGov account and while Ryan said it can be “scary” on the first occasion, she also described the process as “initiative”.

You are entitled to claim tax back for the previous four years. 

As a result, Ryan encouraged people to think about what expenses they have had over the past four years.

“Doctor’s bills, prescriptions, working from home, am I renting or paying a mortgage – the vast majority of major life events always have a taxable impact.”

Ryan said medical expenses are among the most common payments that aren’t claimed.

“It’s any medical expense you have that is either prescribed by a doctor or carried out by medical professional, like a doctor or physio.

“You can get 20% of that back and it all adds up, so even if it’s only around €15 a month, it all adds up over the course of a year,” said Ryan.

She noted that gluten free and sugar free food stuffs can be claimed back for people who are diagnosed with celiac disease or who are diabetic.

Non-routine dental expenses can also be claimed.

Ryan noted that nursing home fees can be claimed back at a rate of 40%.

She also encouraged people to save their receipts, particularly if they are very high expenses, and these can be uploaded to the “Receipt Tracker”.

Meanwhile, Ryan explained that there are over 180 occupations that benefit from a “Flat Rate Expense”.

This allows certain employees to claim deductions for some employment related expenses, which as tools and work uniforms.

“If you are a shop assistant working in retail, or you work in a garage, you will get a Flat Rate Expense of €121 per year,” said Ryan.

For others, this can reach up to €2,500, and Ryan said this is the “easiest payment to get”.

“All you need to do select the industry you are working in that’s it done. You don’t need to actually be paying for your uniform or send in any receipts for tools.”

Ryan noted that while teachers are best at claiming the Flat Rate Expense, those in the building trade are the worst.

For anyone working from home – since January 2022, remote workers can reclaim 30% of their electricity, heating or broadband bills through an Income Tax return.

The relief is apportioned on the number of days an employee spent working from home over the year and any remote working reimbursements paid out by your employer is deducted. If the cost is shared between two or more people, it can be apportioned based on the amount each paid towards the energy bills.

The formula that multiplies utility bills by the number of remote working days. This figure is divided by 365 (or by 366 in a leap year) and then multiplied by 30% (0.3). Any remote working allowance reimbursed by your employer is deducted.

Renters should look at claiming the Rent Tax Credit, which is worth €1,000 per person. 

Ryan said that some renters haven’t claimed back their Rent Tax Credit because they don’t want to have to approach their landlord to obtain their Residential Tenancies Board (RTB) number – but actually, Ryan said, renter can go directly to the RTB to obtain the number, so she advises renters not to let that be a barrier to availing of the tax credit.

You can listen back to all of the advice on the episode of The Explainer.

Additional reporting by Lauren Boland

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    Mute Tomas O Beag
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    Jun 1st 2012, 4:51 PM

    Who cares what enda kenny says, the Germans decide our future now.

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    Mute Stray Mutt
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:19 PM

    Tomas O Beag…
    I would like to assume that your comment is not disdainful. After all.
    If it had not been for the financial assistance of Germany our country would be in very poor shape economically.

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:34 PM

    Stray Mutt
    Compared to…….Now ?

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    Mute BailOutYourMates
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:35 PM

    Why are we paying bank debt that’s not ours worse even unsecured ?!

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    Mute Norman Hunter
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:53 PM

    @Stray no offense my bank manager didn’t me he loaned me money which i pay back with interest.Likewise Germany loaned Ireland….well you know the rest.

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    Mute Stray Mutt
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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:04 PM

    Susie Chester…
    Compared to some countries whose people have absolutely nothing.
    The greed and negative attitude of some people in this country is contemptible.
    We have a country which has everything going for it… If only a little more optimism were to prevail.

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    Mute Sean O'Keeffe
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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:13 PM

    “Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither”

    — BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

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    Mute Mrs.Mulverhill
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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:45 PM

    is our minister for finance is at a bilderberg meeting in the usa?, check out this list. http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html if he is there, on whose behalf?

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    Mute Das_Fine_Gael
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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:29 PM

    stray mutt is right, they gave us loads of money, but enda and lucinda are after taking an awful bating from frau merkel, poor endas back is fecked from the saddle

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    Mute Eugene O'Rourke
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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:05 PM

    When are people going to realise the banking debt is not our main problem. Yes its a pain in the ass, yes its not ours, no we shouldn’t be paying it back but its less than 25% of out debt, >75% is paying public services, social welfare etc. I tried to get an answer from anyone on the no side to tell me where we would get the money to pay for the 75% and I always just got “somewhere”. We need more than “somewhere” as an answer when no money affects so many citizens at the moment who are unemployed or reduced income etc. Imagine the poverty if we had no social welfare due to no one lending to us as the tax payer could not absorb anymore tax increases to pay for money at high interest rates that we would be forced too. If people wanted to take the pain fully now and rebuild then yes the no would have been the way but to think massive cuts would not apply is ridiculous and who wants either.

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    Mute Diarmaid Twomey
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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:13 PM

    Ah there’s Eugene either after falling for or peddling more crap! €40 billion of our current soveriegn debt profile is bank debt. That’s alot of money Eugene. As regards where we would find the money and as a complete counter argument I sum up below as written in previous post:

    However, lets deal in real life consequences of Yes v No. I am an advocate of living within ones means. But that’s not what we are being asked in this treaty, as much as that is being conveyed to us. We are not being asked whether we wish to live within our means, we are being asked whether we would like some unelected bureaucrats to have the right to determine our countries spending, borrowing and investment plans. Let’s not forget if we do borrow excessively, this treaty proposes to fine us. Further financial burdens seem to be the cure for financial problems and strains in Europe at the moment, so I suppose that aspect is hardly surprising. Quite a number of people have now stated that we will have no access to the ESM should we vote no. The IMF, under government duress have even backtracked. I would propose to the section of the electorate still undecided, to assess some truths in the cold light of day and not to get sucked in by the scaremongering and spin embellished so frequently by Fine Gael. If the past four years have taught us anything it is how unforgiving and tunnel visioned both Europe and the ECB are when protecting its own interests and more importantly cash. We got a high interest loan (not a bailout) to protect Europe, not because of some philanthropic notions on the part of Merkozy and the ECB. They have broken every rule, gone against every moral fibre of their being and pushed Europe into the territory of a financial dictatorship to protect its interests and cash, whilst trampling on democracy in the process. Are we now supposed to believe that the EU and ECB, who at this stage have hundreds of billions tied up in our future and economy are going to ensure they never see a cent of that back because of spite? The same bureaucrats that tried to make a tidy profit off hiking up % decimal points on our loans, are now willing to walk away from a few hundred billion because of a democratic wish on the part of our sovereign nation? The Europe we all live in and have had too much experience of in the last four years may not do democracy or morals, but they most certainly do numbers and by God are we worth more to them by voting down this un-necessary and morally insulting treaty. Please Vote No on May 31st.

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    Mute Eugene O'Rourke
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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:35 PM

    @Diarmaid, yes its a hell of a lot of money but again people need to realise there is other problems why we are in the mess we are in. At the end of the day the people have voted and they have agreed this is the way they want the country to go after weighing up the arguments for a yes and a no and everyone has to respect the peoples decision.

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    Mute Sean O'Keeffe
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:30 AM

    Eugene, the issue with bank debt isn’t it’s relative size. When it’s added to sovereign debt, the combined debt is unsustainable and unserviceable.
    Sooner or later, Ireland will have to default on part of it’s debt.
    To date, the ECB has held a gun to the head of Irelands feeble and incompetent politicans. First of all ensuring that the Irish state took full responsibility for this debt. Secondly, ensuring Ireland did not repudiate this debt.
    Ultimately, the only options left open to Ireland are does it default on legimately acquired sovereign debt, bank legacy sovereign debt or what quantity of the two.

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    Mute Kerry Blake
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 1:25 AM

    Eugene maybe you need to realise we are in this situation because of the bank debit?

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    Mute Eugene O'Rourke
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:10 AM

    @Sean. I know where you are coming from on the size of the debt but we may get it removed from sovergn debt or get a write down if it goes into the ESM which is being hinted at for Spain but we do have other issues such as very generous welfare payments which are not capped going into a household. Some people have never contributed into the system and yet expect everything from the tax payer. What really boiled my blood was last year I gave someone a job and they decided going on the beer was more important so I had to let them go as it happended a few times and the attitude was as sure I’ll get the dole so. I have someone else now who is great but he was self employed for over 30 years and was not entitled to 1 cent in welfare and he is working. It opened my eyes greatly on attitudes in this country. @ Kerry, yes we are in this situation because of the bank debt but also other things, we have a public service that is ridiculous in size. I have to deal with something like 13 Government Agencies. Some of these agencies do amazing work but do we need all of them when similar fields. Again social welfare is nuts with the dole, childrens allowance, lone parent allowance etc. The whole point of social welfare is to give you a hand when you are down yet some (and I will say again some) have no intention of doing anything as they know the benefits outway the wages they would get with their qualifications etc.

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    Mute Sean O'Keeffe
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 11:57 AM

    @ Eugene, we are singing off the same hymnsheet with respect to the excessive size and cost of the state. Also, the functionally corrupting influence of the state on our economy.
    I find Cicero’s quote is as relevant today as was 2000 years ago.

    “The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced. If the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt, people must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
    Marcus Tullius Cicero

    Readers don’t always appreciate the significance of-
    “the arrogance of the authorities”
    or why this is an impediment to the effective governance of a nation.
    In the context of our own crisis, the same political class that have driven our economy over a cliff are now pretending to have solutions to the crisis they were complicate in creating. They do not and never will.
    When the US slipped into a deep recession in 1920, the Harding administration response is very much contrary to modern orthodoxy. They cut government spending by more than half, pushed up interest rates and allowed failing banks to fail. Within two years their economy was back in recovery and unemployment had fallen to prerecession levels.
    What Harding & Coolidge had done was to take their hands completely off the steering wheel and allowed their economy to repair itself. They resisted the urge to micromanage. A particularly unarrogant approach to economic governance.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:02 PM

    I agree somewhat with you on welfare. Fact is though, while we crib about people getting an extra few bob a week, we ignore corrupt bankers, politicians and wealthy and powerful individuals, who not alone are not being prosecuted, but in most instances are getting a lot more than €190 a week from us. And they arrogantly draw this money whilst after ruining the country and now lecture us? On top of that, don’t you think it would be a lot more in our line to change the social welfare system and the way it’s employees operate. I have a family member who returned from the uk nearly a year ago with two small babies and is still waiting on social payments after paying tax their whole life. Why? Cause they are being bounced from this person to that person, getting hung up on, getting spoken down to, being given the third degree. They have had to fill out numerous copies of the same forms because they keep getting lost. God forgive me but I don’t blame people for over claiming sometimes, the way they’re treated and the hoops an Irish citizen has to jump through forces them to. What we should be saying is lets turn our social welfare system into a professional, decent, respectful dept. I guarantee you fraud would be obliterated if we did that!

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:38 PM

    Eugene + Sean+Diarmuid
    Great arguements , there is so much waste and lack of empathy in all the government departments, Health and Social welfare the two main depts with which people have most dealings ! The unhelpful attitudes of some of the counter staff could do with a crash course in how to interact and look after people . It is not an individuals fault that they may be that clerk’s twetieth person with the same query on any given day… I was a public servant and I came across colleagues who just did not care … the thing is it made life easier to do the job correctly and professionally than not to do it or do it half heartedly .. Maybe this is something that the gov could concentrate on and improve. Keep up the good work lads , we are all singing from the same hymn sheet.

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    Mute Leslie Alan Rock
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    Jun 1st 2012, 4:55 PM

    see that flag thing behind ye lads? Good men and women died for that.

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    Mute Donncha Foley
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:06 PM

    What’s your point?

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    Mute Leslie Alan Rock
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:15 PM

    That they don’t forget it.

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    Mute BailOutYourMates
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:37 PM

    @donnacha foley … It’s a great point.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:50 PM

    The EU flag?!

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    Mute The Burning bush
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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:28 PM

    That flag you speak of is no longer a flag. It’s a toilet seat cover designed specifically to keep european bureaucratic bums warm.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:38 PM

    Why didn’t Michael Noonan vote?

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    Mute Ed Kavanagh
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 2:46 AM

    Because hes in the US at the cloak and dagger Elite meeting known as Bilderberg. Strange how quiet the press are being about his dodgy delaing with the Worlds “Elite”

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 3:28 AM

    Noonan is there with Peter Sutherland ( Goldman Sachs ) and paul Gallagher ( Senior Counsel) All very hush hush,shshshsh keep it quiet , no one is meant to know !.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:03 PM

    The two high kings of empty rhetoric. No way will either of those two unqualified clowns negotiate anything regarding a debt reduction when Merkel stares them down – Enda will run away in the face of Germanic adversity. In any case all they’ve succeeded in this referendum is increasing the debt for all those who remain here. Unforgivable.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:16 PM

    You forgot the Third king Noonan but he cant stand with them as he’s in the States (at are expense )getting his instructions at the Bilderberg meeting .The media including The Journal dont want to tell you this though .

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:23 PM

    Funny the first mention of growth out of them wasn’t until Hollande brought it up, I’d swear the idea never entered their heads before it and all of a sudden they are like “Whoa yeah, Stability AND Growth if we vote yes. /sigh

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 2:19 AM

    Kenny is in full agreement with Merkel. They are of the same ideology… Kenny knows that neither himself nor any of his friends will ever have to suffer any AUSTERITY. He has his wages assured and then when he is ready ti retire hel will go off with is inflated pension.

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 3:38 AM

    Those two clowns couldn’t negotiate themselves out of a paper bag , All they said was sound bites and has any one ever noyiced that when Kenny is trying to be serious his voice gets bigger, I can not bear to hear him , he is a funny little man.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:14 PM

    I’m disappointed the Treaty was passed.

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    Mute Louise Broe
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:28 PM

    So am I :-(

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:36 PM

    Me too… :(

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:02 PM

    Goodbye Ireland. I’ll mourn you once the anger passes.

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    Mute Stray Mutt
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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:16 PM

    Sounds like a patriot alright.
    Patriotism before prosperity.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:25 PM

    No-one is denying prosperity you tool, this discussion is about the route taken!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 11:31 PM

    me too ::)

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    Mute Dave Harris
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 9:55 AM

    How come you can call yourself a patriot when you wanted to spite the countries nose to save its face?
    You wanted to choose a situation of uncertainty in the strange hope it would somehow lead to a government who clearly have no negotiating skills forcing a re-negotiation of bank debt on the back foot (if youre No vote won)
    and committing the citizens of this state to extreme austerity when the necessary funds cannot be accessed without huge interest rates.

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    Mute Dermot Mc Loughlin
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:15 AM

    Sigh David Harris, you just don’t get it do you…..for many people it’s not always about money, for some…. (myself included)….it’s about a notion of nationhood and our right to self determination.
    Sure we got a vote but all these treaties are dressed up as some harmless economic policies and the true underlying facts about further and further secession of our rights as a sovereign nation to a regime which will break all countries and it’s people to achieve this federal union that a minority within Europe want.

    I find it disgusting that I, a proud Irishman, should be coerced and threatened under the pretence of economic wealth into a union of people i share no common culture, language or empathy with.
    The EU means nothing to me, I have no allegiance to their flag or their federal union..in fact I despise it.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:38 AM

    @ Dave Harris
    It is not all about the bank debt , it is all about a sense of self worth and national pride,
    @ dermot Mc Loughlin
    So very well said. I cannot understand how it is that people do not realise how deeply we feel let down, it is a deep hurt , that Nationwide people just do not get what they voted for.

    https://www.facebook.com/?ref=tn_tnmn

    This article was written by Robert Waghorne
    BTW I am not a member or have any allegiance to any political parties…

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:39 AM

    Thats just xenophobic paranoia.
    This country has been part of Europe since Ireland joined the EEC in 1973. (and has had great benefit from this) why are you getting so upset about it now? If you live in some fairy tale where Ireland is a super nation that does its own thing and the others can go stuff themselves, you’d be right. Youre not, get over it.

    Ireland is still a gorgeous country filled with fabulous people, ok we’ve fallen on hard times but this will pass if we look to the future and dont give up on what the great Irish people can achieve

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:58 AM

    Dave Harris
    You just do not get it. It is not xenophobic … It is sorrow at what we have lost !
    But this is a democracy and it is funny that the political parties who fought so hard against each other down through the years ,have arrived at this point to finally join forces to accept this treaty…
    Greed !
    Chat again soon,

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:16 PM

    For me the whole route the EU is taking is the wrong one, they’re pushing the people of Europe along this path, paying as little regard for the well being of all involved as they did when implementing the Euro.
    I’m pro-EU, I’m a No voter, I believe in a specific type of integration within the EU, just not the type that’s being pushed at the minute. It offers nothing for the people of Europe.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:22 PM

    Sorry, “no supporter”, not “no voter”

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:25 PM

    Far from xenophobic Dave chap…I love Europe for it’s culture, architecture, diversity, it’s people and it’s history but as a continent of sovereign states not as some politically orchestrated superstate which is being built up on faux economic stability or the half promise of economic stability and all these treaties are based on economics – the one thing which binds us all…but tell me, do you really believe a European wide referendum on full amalgamation would pass?
    Many many people still hold onto their national belief and allegiance to their own country, their own flag and not just here but continent wide and are unwilling to surrender it all under one flag, one state and one central government.

    All these treaties are stepping stones to the masterplan of a minority but are never scripted as such.

    And in preparation for the only argument the FG/EU loyalists have to offer – red thumbs……I fully understand your passion and desire to commit this country to foreign control, you were always a unionist party, both in Irish and European politics but sadly for you, you’re the minority..:P
    Toddle pip.

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    Mute Dermot Mc Loughlin
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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:32 PM

    And my euroscepticism is not something new Dave, I have been blessed with it since the Nice treaty.

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    Mute Donncha Foley
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:08 PM

    So Gerry Adams is criticising people for using ‘scare tactics’? Well, I suppose he knows what he’s talking about…

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    Mute Susie Chester
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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:31 PM

    Donncha Foley
    Why can’t you just giveit a rest …
    Is that an Irish name you have Denis ?

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:03 PM

    Long term sustainable deal? No. We need to cut our bank debt completely if we ever want to have a chance to return to the markets at favourable rates. Reach for the stars, stop begging for scraps.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:16 PM

    Maybe the electorate handed the coalition a poison chalice by voting yes. They will have the arduous task, from now on, of proving the no side wrong.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 10:26 AM

    Treaty passed, that’s it…back to normality now and doing what they have done the past year….f**k all.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:13 PM

    When Inda goes to Brussels looking for concessions for being a ‘good European’ he’ll be told where to go. The only ‘growth’ he’ll heal about is when he’s told to grow up. A yes vote ensures our negotiating leverage is gone, unless he refuses to incorporate the terms of the Fiscal treaty into the Irish constitution. Can you see that happening – thought so!! A trade union branch secretary would do a better job of negotiating than this lot.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:56 PM

    I don’t get the argument that a “no” vote would have given us a stronger hand to play. Unlike Lisbon, we didn’t have a veto over this, it would have gone ahead without us. Secondly, have you not heard of the phrase “beggars can’t be choosers”? Surely if we voted no, then by the end of next year if we were unable to go back to the markets and were in dire need of some ESM funding, we’d be in a much weaker position as we’d be desperate for funding from somewhere.
    At least this way now we can say “right lads, we’re in, we’ve done everything asked of us so far, so give us something in return”.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:02 PM

    “Right lad’s we’re in” is what we have been saying all along and what have we got ? Obviously, if we don’t get a second bailout from the ESM, if required, we don’t pay our bank debt and put the money to use in the economy instead. A NO vote would mean the government could say we will have a re-run if we get the following guarantees……., as was done with other EU treaties.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:01 PM

    As the No Side frequently reiterated during the campaign, the tide is changing in Europe regarding the need for growth, with the election of Hollande, so we have more allies this time. Also with banks in Spain and Italy teetering, and with Greece screwed, it’s clear that the original policy of letting Ireland shoulder the burden of recapitalising the banks alone to prevent contagion hasn’t worked. So to say that Ireland playing ball hasn’t worked so far, doesn’t mean it won’t work now that the game has changed.
    Had we said no, we would have been in a weakened position going into these new negotiations as we wouldn’t have the moral footing we now have.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:05 PM

    Also they wouldn’t have gotten any new guarantees in the event of a re-run, because as I said before, we didn’t have a veto on this one- it goes ahead without us. Basically we didn’t have them in a headlock this time. The only way we could have had them in a headlock would have been if we couldn’t go back to the markets and it was about to look like we were going to default, i.e if we were banjaxed, but that scenario would hurt Ireland more than the EU. I don’t know why you would want to banjax yourself to improve your negotiating position. That makes no sense.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 8:39 AM

    The only concessions we got was a reduction in the interest rate on the backs of the Greeks. I believe the new mood you speak about will not happen and Hollande will soon be brought to heel by the financial markets. I certainly don’t want to banjax the country, if it’s possible to banjax it any more than has already happened. The only way for the mood to change is for people to demonstrate that they’ve had enough and a NO vote would contribute to this. Politicians are bought and paid for and will change nothing unless people force them to, which is happening to some extent in Greece. The process seems to be you vote for change, Ireland FG / Lab, France Hollande but nothing changes. Therefore a NO vote would threaten the established order. The fear factor of not being able to borrow in the future is overstated. OK we have a deficit but government debt is low so we just refuse to pay the stupid foreign banks and bondholders and either reduce the deficit (harsh,) or try borrow to fund it. The second option may not be too difficult, as we wouldn’t be saddled with huge private sector bank debt. The EU are doing us no favours and it is now a far cry from the vision of Kohl, Mitterand and Delors. It will be interesting to see the results of the elections in Greece on June 17th. At present, an anti-memorandum party SYRIZA is leading in the polls and most people agree that if this party comes to power, Greece will be out of the Euro and into the unknown. That’s how far people here have been pushed.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:12 PM

    If only this happened 20 years ago, I always wanted to play for Germany when I was a kid! by the time the next world cup is on we will have No sovereignty left as we will have to trade thst for Eurobonds.
    I may as well name my next son Klaus to give him good job opportunities.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:12 PM

    Why do we pay these two idiots when we have more than 400,000 unemployed.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:52 PM

    If we didn’t, then they’d be unemployed also, and then the number would stand at 400,002

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:22 PM

    I’m sure there out of 400, 000 people we could find two more suitable to replace them.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:34 PM

    Ah feck off Enda, the Irish people have been listening to that crap for too long now. I am tired of us being asked to do everything and make all the sacrifices when all we get is dictation from Germany, lies and broken promises from our deluded political class and an ever increasing and unsustainable debt burden. We get 25 years of crooks running the country and now they’ve been replaced by a coward. What hope do we have with having him in Brussels when he can’t even face his own people for a debate! I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the Yes campaigners for lying and making promises they never had any intention of keeping. I would like to thank them for selling our great nation and its constitution indefinitely (a constitution which our forefathers died for) merely for access to an application form for a high interest loan from our “friends”. Today is a sad day in Ireland. We have proved how cheap this country has become. I await stability, jobs and investment with baited breath!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:25 PM

    This does not change the Irish constitution one iota. Stop peddling something that is blatantly untrue. Respect the wishes of a decisive, significant sensible majority…

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:01 PM

    The only one lying here is you. It has to be incorporated in line with our constitution you clown, at least know the facts!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:24 PM

    The ref com made it clear. While changes need to be made to national law, it does not have any bearing on constitution. You’ve fought for an argument you clearly do not understand. And I’m the clown? Don’t follow blindly. At least inform yourself…

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:28 PM

    thats it reilly, sock it to the pesants. proud of you, we all are back in hq! keep peddling the manure

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:41 PM

    Jaysus, do you even know what you voted for?

    Thirtieth Amendment of the Constitution (Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union) Bill 2012,[2] and proposes to insert a new clause in Article 29 of the Constitution.

    Article 29.4:[2]

    10° The State may ratify the Treaty on Stability, Coordination and Governance in the Economic and Monetary Union done at Brussels on the 2nd day of March 2012. No provision of this Constitution invalidates laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the State that are necessitated by the obligations of the State under that Treaty or prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by bodies competent under that Treaty from having the force of law in the State.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:49 PM

    The constitution is changed by the referendum result. We only have referendums when the constitution has to be changed or “amended”. The power to rule Ireland comes from the people (and the trinity but they tend not to vote due to the fact that they are fictional characters) and we have to be asked, as often as is needed until we get the right answer, for that power to be given to an outside body.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:51 PM

    come on reilly, theyre saying diarmuid is telling the truth, peddle some more sh**e, come on, you know lying is all part of our philosophy!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:01 PM

    Don’t even waste your time lads and lassie, when Reilly speaks, everyone must step aside as he purveys wisdom and truth far beyond his years. Only he knows the facts in this instance!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:24 PM

    Hope you are on oxygen

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:03 PM

    This referendum simply adds a clause to the constitution enabling the government to ratify the ESM. It’s contents (the treaty’s) is not added to the constitution. This fact was clarified on this very site during the questions and answers session with Kevin Feeney. Can Journal please confirm? However Diarmuid, knowing now your politics its no surprise to find you feel you know better than a high court judge. Censored, if you’re gonna quote, get it right..

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:31 PM

    Adding words and sentences = no change?
    The judge was answering the question “is the full text of the treaty added to the constitution?”, it isn’t but there is a change, a new section is added. You said there’s no change to the bunreacht which is clearly not true, you half understand a comment from the judge and then you accuse others of peddling shite

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:53 PM

    “This referendum simply adds a clause to the constitution enabling the government to ratify the ESM. ”
    Really O’Reilly??

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:31 PM

    Whens the second referendum on this treaty. Come on fair is fair.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:45 PM

    We voted right the first time.So the answer to your question is No.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:14 PM

    Well said!!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:18 PM

    During the referendum campaign, I got the impression that some of the No camp were saying ‘we should vote no, use this as leverage to get a better deal, and then have another referendum and vote yes’. Which seems just a tiny bit hypocritical considering all the criticism of reruns of Euro referendums in the recent past.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:44 PM

    That argument was being put forward by the Namawinelake Blog, Declan Ganley to a certain extent and also by David McWilliams not so much by Sinn Fein and the Left side of the debate. In a way it seem to be putting it about that we are very important to the European project. While we are a vital part of the project I think our role was being well overstated maybe it was illusions of granduer that we had about our own self importance in the world circa 2006, Personally I could not see how voting down the proposal could have brought a better deal as it was dependant on too many other moving parts aligning themselves together in the right order to enable such a scenario. First of these was a government decision to stop paying back debts in the here in now a very unlikely scenario. The writing the rules into legislation was a much more compelling reason for voting down the treaty but that is “fuzzy” stuff which would pass over many voters heads (and it did I would imagine as it only formed a very small part of the debate). I think when most people looked at it they took the view that if one is going to try and get a deal you go in with your strongest hand and if that involved backing the Fiscal Compact so be it.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:48 PM

    A little cynical, but possibly a little smarter than simply voting yes this time.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:14 PM

    @Susie it’s over be nice the no side lost mores the pity for Ireland but be gracious in defeat.Accept it like i have and bite back the bitterness it achieves nothing.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:22 PM

    Dead right, Seán. McWilliams used the analogies of the neighbourhood and the poker game. The first might have worked but it depended on the poker game…the 3 minutes are long since up and we’ve got Dougal playing a blinder

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:48 PM

    Some people are very angry on this thread. I feel that they are aiming it at the wrong people. The “No” side are blaming the “Yes” side. The people that received voting cards in the post that didn’t bother to move their big asses off their sofa’s are to blame here. Not the “Yes” side!

    Both the “No” and “Yes” sides voted, the “couldn’t be arsed” side didn’t. Aim your anger at them. They’re the ones that’ll bitch and complain no matter what way things work out for Ireland. These individuals should be banned from voting in future elections etc. Their vote should be taken from them and never given back. That’s what I’d do immediately.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:36 PM

    Sheila that happens in Italy and Brazil. You don’t vote a couple of times in a row they delete your name from the register, you can get it back but you have to jump through some bureaucratic hoops. Proper order. The Ozzies fine non-voters.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:49 PM

    @Paul

    Proper order! So many millions in the world have not got a vote and it makes both sad and angry that people here, not only have a democratic right to vote but we also had a referendum which many don’t.

    The “Yes and No” sides should just try and work together now and get the best for us, for Ireland. Anybody starts screwing with us well then they’ll have us to answer to!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 10:40 PM

    I saw a few people complaining on Facebook that they got removed from the voting register without any notification.. They only found out when they didn’t receive a polling card, granted perhaps they should have checked the register on time, but once you’re registered you’re inclined to believe you’ll stay on the register unless otherwise indicated..

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 4:13 AM

    Norman
    Ha ha . I hope you mean to be funny !

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:30 PM

    I don’t know if the government know this but the amount of people that are saying they voted yes because they said they would rather Europe control us than the, and I quote the “muppets”& “morons” in government & opposition.
    A very big mix of motives for a referendum.
    Maybe we could have a pole?

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:32 PM

    Poll

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:28 PM

    That was my reasoning for Lisbon. The EU is great for human rights and equality and the European Courts of Justice are useful too. Not too sure about financial matters though.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:31 PM

    Why do you want a pole? Want to dance?

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:52 PM

    Mcbab I could end up turning tricks yet.. Don’t think id earn much :-P

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:30 PM

    Enda turn’s up for the celebration’s like John Terry!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:54 PM

    HaHa very good!
    Pity Endas team will give the Germans a walkover tho.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:49 PM

    Hope he put on his shinpads. He’ll need them for the kicking he’s going to get in his next election.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:43 PM

    I think the treaty is just a denial of the scale and magnitude of problems facing Euro, it is main reason I voted No.

    However I hope that they do get a realistic deal on the bank debt, it is a stone that has been hung on our necks.

    If FG/Lab do not, then they will be hammered in to the ground at the local elections. I can see Lab. on single digits next election.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:47 PM

    You see Labour that high?not so sure.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:49 PM

    I will put money on it right here and now, that come the next general election, a bank debt deal will still not have happened!

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:49 PM

    FF are claiming this referendum as a victory for FF. They are probably right…

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:14 PM

    I think that FF will have solidified core but they were only ever going to truly love them.

    Micheal Martin will have damaged himself in the debates though with Female voters. He goes absolutely ape when a woman challenges him in a debate. Irish people don’t like the roaring and shouting style of debate. For all the talk of FF doing well, they are still on 17% of the vote, no change from the wipeout of the General election.

    Stabilizing in the Emergency ward but there will be years of revelations and trails over their party members. Look at how many are in court, being investigated by Guards/Fraud squad in last 2 months alone.

    It also looks like the DPP will be pressing for charges to be made against the leading FF political name, who tried to extort 100k from a senior civil servant via black mail.

    I think that the Lab. party will hold a hardcore vote, probably around 8-9%. They hold it for a long time, but it will be all down hill from here.

    I’m certain that their will be many defections from Lab/FF/FG/some indo’s to a new party in next few years.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:36 PM

    At stray mutt don’t think Germany gave us money just to be helpful their trying to protect their interests here.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:37 PM

    The winners in this referendum were FF/FG (same party different name.)and SF.Losers were Lab and i hope i’m wrong Ireland.But guys yer side won drop the soundbites thereis no incentive for Europe to cut us a deal,by voting yes we are agreeing to the policies been pursued.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:40 PM

    Ireland , the green mould on the edge of a decaying Europe

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:32 PM

    come on lads, lets get ireland working! yes to a working ireland, to the toothfairy and to bondholders

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:04 PM

    People voted Yes not out of fear or any of that heavy heart bullshit. They voted yes because it made sense. In light of our situation it was the prudent thing to do. And the majority was significantly stronger than the polls suggested. Many of the no campaigners failed miserably to bring their constituents with then including Shane Ross, RBB, Mary Lou… and it wasn’t about fear. It was because the yes argument stacked up while the NO did not…

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:35 PM

    OReilly some of what you say is correct as is some of what you say wrong.Some of my friends,neighbours particularily the elderly voted yes out of fear ie their savings and pensions being lost.But sides should be ashamed how they presented the treaty to the population.The fear factor was played on both sides.I voted no i hope i was wrong and the yes side was right we shall see.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:38 PM

    Both sides of the campaign were pretty terrible, but I think you’re very wrong in claiming this as a rational vote.

    I sort-of agree with placing limits on government spending. This is not the right time to be limiting our options though. And the yes side didn’t even focus on that. It was all about getting more access to funding for the 2nd bailout. That will plunge us even deeper into catastrophe, as our government accesses “cheap” funds and continues to avoid the real and necessary reform that is needed. Not even mentioning the whole austerity/stimulus thing.

    You say this doesn’t stack up. I say wait and see before you celebrate.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:53 PM

    How much are you getting paid as an adviser to FG because all you speak is bulls*** and its the same party political broadcast over and over? Lets face it no Government here ever again can be held accountable for economic policy and FG and FF were ok with that because they both mess up when in office but this time they can say sure blame Europe they have the money and vote us back in just maybe now just a big maybe we can secure a little bit more money next time.

    Predictions for yeah emigration will increase year on year but i guess thats what yous want so yous can say the dole queue is getting smaller. Ireland will be deeper in death in the next ten year as they have to borrow more and more. Our great corporation tax will go just like your sugar and fishing industry. But dont worry people the politicians will have their inflated salary’s and pensions and the rest of us if you are still in the new Republic of Gerland making sure the Germans have cheap food and the new nation of Gerland will be a slave where wages are low Unions are banned and oh the Labour party will be gone like the Greens.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:37 PM

    I think we should go for a second vote or does that principle only apply to times when the government doesn’t get the answer they want?

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:08 PM

    very true. should demand it

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:36 PM

    Kenny is like John Terry he turns up for the celebrations

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:23 PM

    Everyone should accept the democratic process and move on but it does little to address the crippling bank debt we acquired in a moment of madness. Until that is dealt with we can have all the referendums we like. We will still be fecked paying back someone else’s private debt. Very worrying times. I am sad for Ireland.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 6:32 PM

    And who do you have to negotiate that particular obstacle?

    A school teacher accompanied by a fart in the wind. Eamon and Enda do not negotiate, they remove their pants first and hope for the best.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:07 PM

    judging by the comments and the thumbs up and down and by talking to people i have met over the last few.months it was an outright no. we should have said no. left . went back to pounds. devalued our currency. hello tourism and export . but no. now we give over our very limited amount of cash to ze germans . our kids will be paying this off

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    Jun 1st 2012, 8:18 PM

    The country needs a network of powerful sirens, similar to those used to alert people to fires. Each time this government begins to talk about pledges and keeping promises, all the sirens would clatter simultaneously to warn people of a cloud of hot air coming their way.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:05 PM

    Wah????

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    Jun 1st 2012, 9:32 PM

    I have always heard the phrase “time stands still” in reference to a place. This thread is an illuminating illustration of exactly that. The referendum is over. There has been a clear result, which was arrived at by democratic means. There is no longer any point in evangelising for a No vote. If you were a No voter, be gracious in defeat. If you were a Yes voter, be gracious in victory. Instead of bemoaning an inevitable apocalypse, wouldn’t it be better to find some positive action to take. Surely it would be better to rise the lowly up rather than drag everyone down to the lowest level.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:37 PM

    Did not vote found it to hard to decide which way to swing ,but can the Germans ,French or who ever be any worse than the clowns we have voted in since the founding of or so called republic .lol lol

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    Jun 1st 2012, 7:42 PM

    Yes. They can.

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    Jun 1st 2012, 10:18 PM

    Happy with the result, we will no longer be bankrupted by incompetent Irish politicians.

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 8:00 AM

    You’ll most likely be bankrupted by incompetent European politicians instead! (Sorry, couldn’t resist! :-D )

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    Jun 2nd 2012, 12:38 PM

    Karl you will be searching a while to find a competent politician, Europe is full of incompetence sure didnt they give kevin cardiff a job. There is only self interest and behind the door deals running throughout Europe. Its hilarious that you have this perception of the European Union being some shining beacon of truth and order. Its just like the dail but with varying languages

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    Jun 1st 2012, 5:31 PM

    Poll…

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