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Bertie Ahern pictured in Prague last year Alamy Stock Photo

Bertie on Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael: 'They could murder each other or continue to make love'

The former Taoiseach says there are “too many parties” and that some should amalgamate before the next general election.

BERTIE AHERN HAS said Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael’s relationship could go “one way or another” by the end of this term in government.

The former Taoiseach also said there are “too many parties” and that some should amalgamate before the next general election.

He was speaking in Trinity College Dublin as he received the Law Society’s Praeses Elit Award for his contribution to discourse in public life.

Asked how he thinks the relationship between the two government parties will play out, Ahern said it’s unclear.

“If you take it that this government will hold its term to the end of the decade, it’s then almost 15 years of confidence and supply … that then goes one way or another. 

They could break up, murder each other, or they could continue on to make love to each other.

“I’m not sure which way that’ll go.”

He referenced how in Germany two major parties, CDU and SPD, were in coalition for decades and were “working very well” under Angela Merkel despite some “ups and down”.

“Now it’s kind of broken up and they’re going back into their silos again.”

In Ireland, he says, “it’ll become a really interesting question in 2028/29″.

“My own view is that there’s too many parties, to be honest. They should all amalgamate into each other and then life would be far simpler … whether that will happen, I don’t know.”

He added that by the time the next general election comes around, what the public considers a centre-left or centre-right party could change.

‘Too many houses’

Ahern also spoke of his career regrets. He said his goverment built “too many houses” and should’ve slowed down contruction.

“What I was accused of in the last few years [in government] was building too many houses.

“A lot of that was public pressure, public opinion – all the experts and all the economists who know everything about everything.

[They said] it’ll take 50 years to fill all the houses, and what bullshit that was. In reality, it took three.

“But we probably should’ve slowed it down a bit earlier. We were still giving incentives … now people are saying they should be giving incentives, but we should’ve probably stopped earlier.

“If I had my way again, we would have probably got that 90,000 houses somewhere down to about 50,000. If we had have done that, we would’ve stabilised it at 50,000. But what happened was, the year before I [left government] it was 87,000 houses and about two years later we built 8,000 homes.”

He said that he has since told his successors that they made a “fatal mistake” in getting rid of the housing programme that had been in place. 

Former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy have since admitted their regret that they didn’t make housing the top priority soon enough.

Murphy claimed senior government figures had blocked his attempts to create radical change in housing.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:33 AM

    I find it tough to believe that in an age where we have the iss,GPS and all that tech that we can find a terrorist in the middle of the Afghan mountains but we can’t locate an airplane.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:39 AM

    Fair point but for all we know, it’s completely disintegrated and could be in small pieces over God knows how many square miles. There may not be much to find.

    I feel so sorry for the families whose loved ones have just disappeared, Just like that.

    Terrible tragedy.

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    Mute Barry Healy
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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:39 AM

    Yes but it could be an airplane hundreds of metres below the surface. Not an easy thing to find in a massive area. The fact it went so far off course without anyone realising is the scariest thing. Queue all the mad conspiracies. The agony of all the poor families of people lost must be incredible.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:44 AM

    The most shocking part is how they managed to lose it in the first place. I always thought that a plane would be constantly monitored on numerous forms of technology. The reality appears to be quite the opposite

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:44 AM

    In fairness, it’s not an airplane…

    It’s several million pieces of one at this stage

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:45 AM

    We are also living in an age of wholesale lies and mainstream media deception.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:48 AM

    That’s very weird as yesterday the Australian media reported unusual activity by the search ships: “A graphic supplied by Mike Chillit, a US-based ship tracker, shows a lot of interest where the 90th east meridian meets 37 degrees south latitude, south-west of Perth. This is in the vicinity of where the first informed guesses were made of MH370′s likely impact with the sea…to this day, the cargo manifest has not been fully revealed”

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:53 AM

    Not even as much as a seat cushion or a piece of luggage.
    The aircraft might be in a million pieces but there has to be a trace somewhere.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 11:02 AM

    The terrorist isn’t hiding two miles underwater…

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    Jan 29th 2015, 11:59 AM

    Aeroplane, not airplane! Americanisms need to stop!

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:03 PM

    You are right ofcourse Egg Head, I apologise. Your name is, perhaps, we’ll chosen.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:05 PM

    There,their, the’re Egge head…. I typed “Aircraft” :)

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:25 PM

    Paul, you actually make a stupid comparison. Think about it.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:46 PM

    Frank, you left out the lying and insane conspiracy theories from the Internet trolls. For every lie in “the mainstream media”, there are a 1,000 lies on quack web sites.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:49 PM

    @Boganity Mike Chillit has done an amazing job of covering the movements and activity of Go Phoenix, Discovery, Equator and the newly arrived Supporter, but I don’t see anything odd in the four ships’ activity in recent days. And I don’t recall Mike saying himself the activity was unusual, other than at timespointing out the changing sweeps or going off track to test the better sonar they have now. Do you have a link to any piece in the Australian media where (and why) the movements were ‘unusual?’

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:04 PM

    William Grogan_ “Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” Adolf Hitler

    We must also remember that the History book on the shelf is the one that always repeats itself.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:35 PM

    Frank, it doesn’t always work. You and the other tin foil mad hatters lie continuously and we still don’t believe you. PS When did anyone claim Hitler was ever right? He was a complete dork. His book is such crap that it’s unreadable. She why quote him?

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:45 PM

    They used special force troops on the ground to find terrorists in the afghan mountains not GPS they did use satellites to pick up movement of these people but it was troops on the ground who pinpointed their exact positions, when your looking in an ocean it’s a whole different ball game, a lot of plane would be at bottom of the ocean and the rest would be scattered for hundreds of miles after couple weeks so it’s really tough to find exact position where it went down

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:45 PM

    Another false flag Frank? Explain your opinion on what happened the plane, I could do with a chuckle….

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:51 PM

    Hitler didn’t actually say that, Frank. The quote has no foundation, and can never be directly cited to a source, and even in meaning it is taken out of context when properly translated from its idea and subtext in Mein Kampf. You’ve been corrected on this before on Journal, but as usual, you don’t listen.

    http://bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm

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    Jan 29th 2015, 2:53 PM

    Frank spins his own lies and repeats them over and over again and he doesn’t realize it.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 5:42 PM

    Declan Noonan_ Coming from someone like yourself that would bend over backwards for what is perhaps the most corrupt Government so far in US History.

    http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2012/9/29/thumb-1348892054679-obama_lies.jpg

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    Jan 29th 2015, 6:00 PM

    I am wrong It says in the link above that Gas prices are 200% of what they were…..

    GAS prices have actually dropped considerably in the last few months but all at the expense of throwing Russia under the Bus and leading the world on course for WW3

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    Jan 29th 2015, 6:14 PM

    Why don’t you talk to your buddies in Iran about that Frank – they voted to keep oil prices low too…

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:43 AM

    Frank will love this

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:49 AM

    For once I think Frank may have a valid point

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:56 AM

    We cannot say that Australia didn’t keep an “eye” out for this plane.

    http://s13.postimg.org/3pqew5son/Planeeyee.jpg

    End of the air search: Crews that searched for missing Malaysia Airlines jet MH370 pose for final photo in Perth as operation is scaled down

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616567/Air-sea-search-MH370-comes-end-military-personnel-posing-final-photo-Perth.html

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    Jan 29th 2015, 10:46 AM

    Malaysian Airlines have it all to lose, this would be their preferred scenario, wishful thinking.

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    Jan 30th 2015, 12:08 AM

    I agree with you but I think this decision was more to do with pressure from the families. Until the passengers are officially declared to be dead their families can’t move on as insurances can’t pay out, money in the deceased bank accounts can’t be accessed, financial liabilities can’t be wrapped up etc etc.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 11:56 AM

    Very strange that they couldn’t find the plane when we can send a missile from anywhere and accurately hit its target

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    Jan 29th 2015, 12:48 PM

    Non sequitur.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:29 PM

    Even now, Malaysia authorities have still provided no credible evidence that MH370 (after its left turn) ever entered the Malacca Strait before going south and eventually being picked up by the Inmarsat data. Indonesia and China, based on their radar and satellite data, still say there is no evidence that MH370 ever entered the Malacca Strait. Which means, when the aircraft was picked up by Inmarsat, it still had a lot more fuel to take it further south well past 39 degrees south and beyond where the current search is concentrated.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 1:17 PM

    I think the biggest issue the families have with this is the Annex 13 stipulation in the Convention on Civil Aviation for missing aircraft – the declaration generally only applies to accidents when a search for wreckage, bodies and evidence has been terminated. This is obviously not the case with MH370, where a search is ongoing. I think folks should also be careful not to make ungrounded assumptions – that it is also a part of the grand conspiracy. There is a lot of legalese going on here and it’s not just about compensation claims against Malaysia Airlines. This also has to do with clearing the way forward for families with life polices on relatives. Life assurance companies are not going to pay out on policies without some declaration of ‘missing, presumed dead.’

    What irks me most in today’s press conference is Malaysia’s claim that it investigated all possible leads. Rubbish! One of the most credible leads was the 300 floating objects picked up on satellite in the South Indian ocean two weeks into the search, and its instruction to Chinese vessels to call off their investigation of them. Even after SAR insisted that based on the Inmarsat data, they were searching in the right priority area, their projected drift patterns said debris would come ashore in Sumatra after 120 days; this data proved completely wrong! And yet to the tune of 60m dollars they refuse to admit their priority area may be wrong.

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    Jan 29th 2015, 2:41 PM

    Very little info coming out of inquiry into why Ukranian fighter jet shot other Malaysian Airways down over its territory

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    Jan 29th 2015, 3:32 PM

    What, the one that, even according to its manufacturers, wasn’t capable of doing it?

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    Jan 29th 2015, 3:40 PM

    Probably because the inquiry is both an aircrash investigation and criminal case and some of the wreckage only arrived back in the Netherlands for cataloguing, examination and rebuild on a frame in mid December. Only then will physical evidence prove what kind of missile brought down MH17 – a ground to air missile, or a missile or cannon fire from a military jet. The final report is not due until later this year. Only at that stage will criminal action be advised in the report recommendations, and an international case file.

    The sanctions on Russia last year, at the behest of the USA on the EU, have still to this day not been supported with evidence in the public domain, beyond a reliance on social media and witness reports. Similarly, accusations against Ukraine for its possible involvement, have not been properly substantiated. These are all political issues, the role of criminal authorities in each country, and not the role of the Dutch Safety Board. The DSB exist to investigate the actual air incident itself, explain what happened, provide data and evidence, and then report; not to actually prosecute or bring to justice those responsible.

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