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Tom Clonan Irish neutrality should be protected, but we also need to spend on defence

The security analyst says our neutrality should be a red line issue, however it is critical that we properly resource our Defence Forces.

THE TAOISEACH MICHÉAL Martin along with Tánaiste and Minister for Defence, Simon Harris will attend the European Union’s Munich Security Summit this weekend. They do so at a time of near-unprecedented geopolitical upheaval and armed conflict within Europe and the Middle East.

As a consequence of ever-increasing global political turbulence and the associated threat accelerators of climate change, asymmetrical warfare, terrorism and organised crime, Ireland has been pondering its place within EU and international security and defence structures. The Irish people have long considered our Republic to be a ‘neutral’ state and we have enormous pride in and emotional attachment to this perceived ‘neutrality’.

However, we have never been ‘neutral’ in the legally accepted sense. It has never characterised our foreign policy positions as we have been firmly aligned with the Western powers for the lifetime of this republic – especially the United States – throughout World War Two and the ensuing Cold War.

The meaning of neutrality

In wartime, where ‘neutrality’ does have a clearly defined legal meaning, our declared ‘neutral’ status during WW2 did not protect us from the threat of invasion. Hitler’s Nazi high command drew up detailed plans in ‘Unternehmen Grun’ or ‘Operation Green’ to invade Ireland. Indeed, when made aware of these plans, ‘neutral’ De Valera and Churchill secretly agreed to combine forces, north and south in ‘Plan W’ to fight together to repel the Wehrmacht from Ireland.

The Nazi invasion never materialised. However, Ireland cooperated extensively with the Allied Powers throughout the war. Notwithstanding this deep mutual assistance, we never joined a formal military alliance. This is perhaps the crux of Ireland’s perceived ‘neutrality’. Simply stated, we are militarily non-aligned. We are not, nor have we ever been, full members of a formal military alliance. However, we have always been largely politically and philosophically aligned with our European and Transatlantic allies.

In times of conflict, therefore, Ireland has taken a pragmatic approach to neutrality, aligning politically with our Western partners and choosing the level of cooperation – military or otherwise – that we engage in. This is done to suit our strategic interest. By not becoming full members of a military alliance, the Irish people choose – on a case-by-case basis – what conflicts we get involved in militarily. This is the sovereign right of the Irish people and is a highly valued component of our foreign policy. We are not so naïve to believe that this policy of neutrality ‘protects’ us from hostile scrutiny. But the Irish people do understand that it gives us some – often invaluable – discretion at the level of our involvement in international conflicts. We now find ourselves at a major inflexion point with regard to our defence, security and intelligence policies.

Europe’s primary military alliance, NATO, has come under particular scrutiny this week in a dramatic set of developments that have amplified the debate on Ireland’s ‘neutrality’ – or military non-alignment. President Donald Trump’s Secretary of Defence, Pete Hegseth has stated, ‘I’m … here today to directly and unambiguously express that stark strategic realities prevent the United States from being the primary guarantor of security in Europe’.

This declaration has upended almost eight decades of the received military and political status quo in Europe – and Ireland – that of a US-backed NATO as a backstop and guarantee of European security. This is a paradigm shift. All has changed, changed utterly and a potentially terrible vista is born. For our European partners. And for Ireland.

The NATO question

US Secretary for Defence Hegseth has further clarified the United States’s pivot on NATO, by stating that President Trump intends to ‘Make NATO Great Again’ – by demanding that European countries dramatically increase their defence spending in order to create a real deterrence to external – Russian – aggression.

For the last 75 years, Article 5 of the NATO Charter, the mutual defence clause, has been the de facto cornerstone of Europe’s collective defence. Hegseth’s announcement focuses on defence spending – a demand that Europe pay much more for its own defence. In Trump’s view, the US has been doing most of the financial ‘heavy lifting’ in terms of Europe’s defence and in Hegseth’s words – paraphrasing Eisenhower – ‘Uncle Sam is not going to be Uncle Sucker’.

NATO member states are adjusting to this new ‘realpolitik’. Ireland will also have to engage with this new reality. Whilst not full, formal members of NATO, we have always been within its security ‘umbrella’ for decades – whether we liked it or not. Many Irish leaders ‘liked’ it well enough and were happy to say so publicly. In the 1960s, Taoiseach Sean Lemass recognised the objective reality of NATO’s pan-European defensive role stating ‘NATO is necessary for the defence of the countries of Europe, including this country. Although we are not members of NATO, we are in full agreement with its aims’.

So, why did Ireland never become full members of NATO – despite explicitly endorsing its role as a legitimate military alliance and collective defence for Europe? As NATO was being established, Ireland’s Minister for External Affairs, Seán McBride welcomed the emerging military pact stating, ‘Ireland, as an essentially democratic and freedom loving country is anxious to play her full part in protecting and preserving … the democratic way of life. With the general aim of the Atlantic Pact in this regard, therefore we are in agreement. In the matter of military measures however, we are faced with an insuperable difficulty from the strategic and political points of view, by reason of the fact that six of our north-eastern counties are occupied by British forces against the will of the overwhelming majority of the Irish people’.

With Ireland still partitioned – and six counties firmly within NATO – this obstacle to full membership of NATO still remains. It is a matter which will inevitably have to be addressed in any all-island future for Ireland. More anon.

So, whilst philosophically and politically aligned with the collective defence aims of NATO, Ireland never became full formal members of the military alliance. Therefore our stated ‘neutrality’ has been a policy of ‘military non-alignment’ in the context – largely speaking – of political alignment with our European and US neighbours and friends.

With the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the unravelling of the Soviet Union in the 1990s, most of Europe – with the tragic exception of the former Yugoslavia – experienced a considerable ‘peace dividend’. Many European Union and NATO member states dramatically scaled back military spending and conscription – believing the ‘Cold War’ to be over.

Our Defence Forces

In Ireland, this ‘peace dividend’ coincided with the Good Friday Agreement and the emerging peace process. With cease-fires in place and the Troubles apparently ‘over’, successive Irish governments have dramatically cut spending on our defence, intelligence and security infrastructure. This serious and reckless underinvestment has led us to the point where Ireland can not meaningfully monitor, patrol or defend our cyber, air, maritime or ground domains. Our Defence Forces – Óglaigh na h’Éireann – are literally on their knees with an unprecedented recruitment and retention crisis.

In the recent landmark book on Irish defence, ‘The EU, Irish Defence Forces and Contemporary Security’ edited by leading international military scholars, Johnathan Carroll, Matthew G O’Neill and Mark Williams (Palgrave Macmillan, 2023) I wrote an extensive and detailed chapter on the manifold hybrid threats that confront Ireland at present – from Putin’s criminal invasion of Ukraine to the multiple ‘gray-zone’ or asymmetrical threats posed by cyber attacks, terrorism and organised crime. I also set out in forensic detail, the inability of Ireland to meet the minimum security demands of our digital economy, making us Europe’s ‘weakest link’ in terms of security, defence, intelligence and emergency response capacity.

Compounded by further cuts imposed during the financial crash, our defence, intelligence and security capabilities are now in complete – almost terminal – failure. Our defence spend is the lowest in Europe at approximately 0.2% of our GDP – roughly one-eighth of the average EU spend in this area. It has left us in a situation of crisis proportions, where for example we can only put one naval vessel to sea, with no operational main armament. We cannot patrol our massive maritime domain – containing many of the strategic oceanic subsea data cables linking the EU to the US. Nor can we monitor or patrol our controlled airspace, one of the busiest transatlantic air corridors in the world – to the extent that the Irish government formed the recent ‘Commission on the Future of the Defence Forces to remedy our provocative weakness.

The commission report and the ‘High Level Action Plan’ were published in 2022. Using the term ‘Level of Ambition’ (LOA) the report’s authors set out three defence investment plans in order of magnitude and significance. Level of Ambition 3, (LOA3) would have brought Ireland roughly in line with our neighbours – including our neutral neighbour Austria – in terms of military capability. LOA1 would have seen no significant change in our parlous defence status. The previous government chose to pursue LOA2, a modest – but welcome – investment in our defence and security architecture.

Despite this commitment as reiterated in the recent programme for government, Ireland remains effectively defenceless. We are defenceless and unable to mount a meaningful emergency response to any manmade or natural disaster that might confront us. This is not the fault of our hard-pressed Defence Forces personnel – it is the predictable and unavoidable consequence of decades of underinvestment in one of our greatest civic and military resources.

Is ‘neutrality’ really up for debate?

The current renewed national discussion and focus on defence is taking place at a particularly febrile moment. As Putin’s invasion of Ukraine continues into its third year of catastrophic attritional warfare, and as Trump’s Secretary for Defence demands that NATO and the EU dramatically increase spending on its own defence – Ireland’s security, defence and intelligence status as ‘Europe’s weakest link’ is being addressed in our national public discourse.

However, in an age of misinformation and disinformation, there has been – in my view – a tendency within our public sphere to reify or give primary definition to voices that construct our ‘neutral’ or ‘militarily non-aligned’ status as problematic.

A recurring myth in recent weeks has been the false and repeated assertion that our European and international partners ‘resent’ or take issue with our militarily non-aligned status. This is definitively not the case.

In my experience as an Irish interparliamentary representative at the Organisation for Security Cooperation Europe (OSCE) – comprised of 57 nation-states – meeting many times in Vienna, Bucharest and Vancouver, I have never once encountered any criticism of our militarily non-aligned status. As an academic and security analyst participating in academic and military conferences internationally for the last 25 years, I have never once encountered any resentment or hostile scrutiny of our military non-alignment.

For our international partners, Ireland’s ‘neutral’ status – such as it is – is perfectly acceptable and a matter of national competency and choice. Ireland, as anyone who has any real experience of armed conflict, is regarded as independent and distinct from other nation-states who are full, formal members of military alliances. This has been my experience as an army officer and journalist in conflict zones from Lebanon, to Bosnia, Syria and Iraq. Many of the voices that have been given prominence on Irish media platforms in recent weeks and months have absolutely no military experience. Nor have any had direct experience of conflict. None have ever had command experience under direct fire – but are very vocal in their desire that our children and grandchildren be available for service in a formal military alliance.

To reiterate, I have never experienced criticism of our military non-alignment among international partners with direct experience of conflict. Most recently, in September last, I attended a week-long intelligence, defence and security briefing in Washington – from the Pentagon, CIA Headquarters and the US State Department. Our neutral–militarily non-aligned status was discussed, but not criticised.

We are recognised as constructive partners and our sovereign status as militarily non-aligned is respected.

However, what I have encountered among this extensive network of international contacts has been surprise and incredulity at our lack of a basic credible defence, security and intelligence capability. In some cases our lack of investment is met with dismay as there are legitimate concerns that we are unable to meet the most minimal of our own emergency response requirements to natural and man-made crises – both of which are set to increase exponentially in a time of accelerated climate change along with continued regional and global conflict.

Geopolitical changes

Whatever the outcome of the impending ‘negotiations’ between President Trump and Vladimir Putin on the matter of his criminal invasion of Ukraine – the EU and NATO are actively arming themselves. They are preparing for a renewed Cold War with some countries re-introducing conscription. In this deteriorating environment, some traditionally neutral states such as Finland and Sweden have become full, formal members of NATO. They have decided to do this in their own national interest within the unique set of circumstances they find themselves.

Ireland has its own unique challenges. One of our principal challenges will be the re-design and re-engineering of the administration of justice, policing, security, defence and intelligence in any all-island political and sovereign transformation in the near future. I believe that it is now time to proactively engage with all communities on this island in order to provide a fit-for-purpose defence, intelligence, policing and justice system here that will be acceptable to all. It is my view that neither Oglaigh na h’Éireann nor an Garda Síochána will exist in the coming decades – they will have been succeeded by new entities, perhaps by an all-island armed forces and police service by whatever name acceptable to all. With six of our counties currently in NATO – the security guarantees and security expectations of these new entities will be high.

I believe that this is the primary lens through which we should examine our requirement to invest in defence. Our ‘militarily non-aligned’ ‘neutral’ status has served Ireland well. It will continue to do so in the future and is not an impediment to our status as good European citizens. In my view, we ought to adopt the Commission on the Future of the Defence Forces Level of Ambition 3 as the minimum requirement for Ireland’s future.

We ought to accelerate this process and as a matter of priority – deal with the pension, pay and conditions of our sailors, soldiers and air crew in order to reverse the current recruitment and retention crisis. We also need to seriously expand and incentivise our Reserves. For they are an invaluable human and civil resource and precisely the multiskilled resource we will turn to – as all other nations do – in times of crisis, manmade or natural.

There should be no manufactured ‘moral panic’ about Ireland’s military non-alignment. Our neutral status – such as it is – is an invaluable component of our Irish identity. And despite the naysayers, our position in this regard is respected internationally. However, in light of the many challenges that confront us – Ireland does need to transform and restore our defence capability as a matter of priority. Crucially, we must invest in our soldiers, sailors and air-crew to a minimum of LOA3. It is only then we can vindicate our sovereign status as a neutral Irish republic.

Dr Tom Clonan is a retired Army Officer and former Lecturer at TU Dublin. He is an Independent Senator on the Trinity College Dublin Panel, Seanad Éireann.  

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:58 PM

    There is a billion being spent on something else we could spend on defence.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 10:27 PM

    @Paddy Up: pity those who upvoted this post so vigorously didn’t bother to vote in the general election

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    Feb 15th 2025, 9:55 AM

    @common sense: lowest voter turnout in 100+ years.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:16 PM

    Pay them a living wage. You would earn more working in Lidl without the grief. 24 hour duty €76 after tax.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 6:29 PM

    @Áine G: Your lucky in most armies you get nothing extra for doing a 24hr duty . It’s duty it’s your duty to do it . 24 hr duties was a way to punish people . It the British army it was called extras . Take two extras . In other words take two duties because you did something wrong .

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    Feb 21st 2025, 5:17 PM

    @Jack Moss:
    Like killing somebody in a land you should not be in?

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:34 PM

    Ireland’s best defense is our Neutrality
    Painting a big target

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:23 PM

    @Cormac McKay: ireland only defence is the uk

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:03 PM

    @Cormac McKay: that’s it run away and hide

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:09 PM

    @Cormac McKay: anyone who thinks neutrality will save us is living in cloud cuckoo land. Holland, Belgium and other small countries were neutral in WW2. Didn’t stop the Nazis over running them and carrying out mass atrocities.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 1:20 AM

    @Harry Callahan: The big difference between WW2 and now is 1 nuclear bomb would obliterate us in less time than you could say ” I told you so “. The more enemies you make, the more useless your friends will be.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:49 PM

    Neutrality is non negotiable. We shud look at how the Swiss deal with it. By the way why do we, a tiny country, have an army, air corp, navy as though we were a global power. Surely a single service covering all our security needs would be a better approach, including compulsory service for young men and women

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:05 PM

    @Big Red Bus:”compulsory service for young men and women”
    We can’t pay the ones we have now ffs

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:38 PM

    We need to spend money building houses and putting money into our public health services, not to mention our schools. If we are invaded, we won’t win a standing fight against anyone, sure even North Korea couldn’t and look at how much they spend on bomvs etc. In fact, I’d say if we were invaded they’d spend more than this state spends on housing, if we’re supposed to be frightened they’re doing a terrible job at it. Not forgetting how Britain and America, along with the Nazi’s planned to invade us during World War 2 and guess what, none of them did.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:07 PM

    @Brian D’Arcy: a amazingly daft comment ,you do realise that we are talking about protecting our infrastructure

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    Feb 15th 2025, 9:56 AM

    @sean weir: lol, what infrastructure? The luas and an unfinished kids hospital?

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    Feb 15th 2025, 3:56 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: Data Centers. Pharmaceutical and other high tech manufacturing facilities. Power Stations.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 5:02 PM

    @DAN TEDSON: So protect Jeff Bezoz interests? :’D

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    Feb 14th 2025, 7:25 PM

    The question is what would we be realistically be able to put in put in place and at what cost. We couldn’t repel an attack from a large power no matter what we spend. Should we have a radar system that allows us to see who is in our skies rather than have to phone England to ask them? Yes. We should be able to protect the infrastructure in our waters and have a reasonable and decently equipped armed forces. Beyond that it would just be throwing money down the drain.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:09 PM

    @John Moore: we have ships going to see with their main gun not working,we have the money ,it’s just wasted

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:04 PM

    @John Moore: That and our UN duties is what Tom is saying!

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    Feb 14th 2025, 7:22 PM

    Housing Health Homelessness
    Education
    Should be our priorities .
    Our neutrality is sacred. Leave the
    Sabre- rattling
    To the big boys.
    We need Doctors nurses. Teachers.
    Thanks.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:15 PM

    @Kerry Evans: “Our neutrality is sacred”
    That’s why the Brits knew they could keep the 6 , because you southern lads were busy hiding behind your mammy

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:04 PM

    @sean weir: Yet us southern lads were the ones that rose in 1916.
    Funny that!

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:13 PM

    “And you know that peace can only be won/When we’ve blown ‘em all to kingdom come…”

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:29 PM

    Agreed, we should be neutral with a strong army that is capable of defending the country.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:50 PM

    @common sense: How strong? Strong enough to defend us from the Faroe Islands or Russia? Because let’s face it to face Russia we’d need tens of thousands of troops, many many warship and hundreds of fighter jets. Also will yourself be joining this new strong defence force?. Manpower is the biggest issue the defence force has so are you willing to join our new Strong Defense force?

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:59 PM

    @Ger Whelan: strong enough for our size and wealth

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:04 PM

    @common sense: That’s not an answer. Also will you be joining this new defence force yes/no

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:48 PM

    @Ger Whelan: Thanks for telling us the options – ‘yes/no’. We’d never have figured it out.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 8:32 PM

    @Ger Whelan: If my country was invaded even though I’m in my 60s I would absolutely join up or become a guerilla to fight the invaders…unlike you who I have no doubt would be a quisling and collaborator with the invaders

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    Feb 14th 2025, 8:42 PM

    @Ger Whelan: The biggest mistake that people make is to assume that any Irish Defence Force would fight a conventional war against a potential enemy.
    During the Troubles in Northern Ireland there was an estimated force of between 125 to 150 active service member’s of the Provisional IRA against a combined force of 44,000 British Army, RUC, UDA and various Loyalist Paramilitary groups which ended in a stalemate after 25 year’s
    The Irish Defence Force’s would also adopt similar tactics if called upon to defend the country in greater number’s
    History is full of examples of small force’s fighting overwhelming enemies with great success Vietnam, Afghanistan,and the Ukraine and only a few of many.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:34 PM

    @Chaotic State: war technology is totally different nowadays.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:12 PM

    @Ger Whelan: if the men and women who put themselves forward got paid a living wage ,if we didn’t have ships going to sea with no main gun ,if we had RADAR ffs,wake up the state has spent enough time getting bailed out by the rest of Europe

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:14 PM

    @Ger Whelan: Mr Chamberlain over here

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    Feb 15th 2025, 9:59 AM

    @common sense: Sort of agreed, we should continue our neutrality with a strong defence force that serves the protection and maintenance of our sea boarders. But in terms of Defending our country? It’s not possible with infinite investment, we’re that small but our geographical position means a lot of very powerful nations need to keep others from our shores.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 4:01 PM

    @Ger Whelan: there are only 2 deep water ports to defend. Invasion is not feasible or likely. We need primary radar in order to have a viable air defence. Interceptor jets are not needed, ground to air missiles are. Those require a radar system. At sea we need sufficient resources to patrol the coast and at the minimum be able to board maritime traffic suspected of carrying out clandestine sabotage or smuggling operations. Our civil defence requires sufficient resources to deal with natural disasters, fires or floods. 0.2% of GDP is not cutting it.

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:13 PM

    @Pat O Dwyer: The tactics you mention are what was taught to the Irish PDF during the emergency.
    They were outnumber and out gunned and my Dad was told get seven and run like hell.
    They were going to fight and run, back to predetermined spots, hit and run again. Like the Flying columns from the war of independence!

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    Feb 14th 2025, 7:57 PM

    Vance’s knowledge of European affairs needs to be improved. He talks about mass migration. Did it ever occur to him that the primary drivers of this are the USA and Russia? Staggering level of ignorance.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:41 PM

    @Alan: Europe’s migration problems is down to america trying to spread democracy to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:50 PM

    I don’t know why Tom or anyone continues to pretend that we are a “neutral” country in the realm of foreign affairs. The government has repeatedly sided with bad actors across the world. They’ve taken an explicitly anti-Israel and pro-Hamas position which has been nothing short of disgraceful. Harris and Martin’s incessant attacks on Israel have crossed the line into antisemitism. They have been cozying up to China and have refused to criticise their actions in Hong Kong and the fact that they put 3 million Uyghurs in concentration camps. They’ve also repeatedly sided with Cuba over America with regard to the justified embargo against the brutal Communist regime and repeatedly condemned it, despite the fact that medicine and food are exempt and any other country can still trade with them.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 5:56 PM

    @William Jennings: Can you give an example of an anti-Semitic thing that Harris or Martin have said?

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:05 PM

    @William Jennings: Ah yes. If you criticise Israel at all, you are anti-semitic and a pro hamas terrorist. That’s some logic.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:40 PM

    @Brendan O’Brien: I can indeed. Martin has repeatedly called Israel’s actions in Gaza “genocide” (even though he knows it’s a lie) which is a form of Holocaust inversion. He also gave UNRWA €20 million worth of funding recently even though it’s an arm of Hamas. We know this because their employees were involved in the October 7th massacre, the Israeli hostages were held in their buildings and the head of the UNRWA teachers’ union was a senior Hamas commander. Harris has refused to differentiate between civilian and combatant casualties in Gaza and has regurgitated Hamas propaganda by saying that Israel is “starving” Gaza. 38,400 aid trucks have been let in and the people there get 3,200 calories a day, well above the recommended 2,400 calories. All of these constitute antisemitism.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:45 PM

    @Eugene Burns: Well it’s true Eugene. If you incessantly criticise the only democratic country in the Middle East and spread lies about them, you’re antisemitic. If you recognise a fictional country whose demands involve making Israel hand over chunks of their land while simultaneously wanting to wipe Israel out, that’s antisemitic. If you given taxpayer funding to an arm of Hamas like this government has on multiple occasions, that makes them pro-Hamas. If you regurgitate Hamas propaganda and trivialise the Holocaust like this government has done, that makes them pro-Hamas. I hope that clears things up for you.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 7:00 PM

    @William Jennings: willy jennings comment drinking game:
    ‘Pro Hamas’ – down your pint.
    ‘Anti-Israel’ – take a shot.
    ‘Simon Harris got a clip round the ear’ – take 2 shots.
    ‘Economically Illiterate’ – swap drinks with your friend and down them.
    ‘Disgusting Occupied Territories Bill’ – shotgun your can.
    ‘President Trump’- take 3 shots.
    ‘When America says jump the world should say how high’ – down a can of budweiser.
    ‘Democratic checks and balances’ – drink a flagon of cider.
    ‘Marxism’ – pass out and gawk all over the place.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:30 PM

    @Setanta O’Toole: You were already warned about your repeated trolling. I’ve given you ample opportunity to engage in some resemblance of a good faith discussion but you persist with your incoherent drivel. You’ve now been muted and reported. The fact that you are unable to string together any sort of coherent rebuttal to the points I made is very telling. Your surname is very fitting because you are some tool.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:30 PM

    @William Jennings: Did the country that started the Second World War and committed genocide have a democratically elected government, in other words a democracy? Just because a nation has a democracy doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not capable of committing genocide.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 10:05 PM

    @Leonard Barry: Nazi Germany was not a democracy during World War II, nor was it a democracy 30 days after the Nazi Party took power and Hitler took power. While it’s not completely out of question that a democracy could be capable of committing a genocide, no such action has even occurred. The reason that Israel has not committed a “genocide” is very simple. The civilian to combatant ratio in Gaza is 2:1. The average for global conflicts around the world is 4:1. More people have been born than died in Gaza last year (63,800 vs 40,000-42,500). There is no measurable metric which shows that the IDF is deliberately targeting civilians they wouldn’t let through 38,400 aid trucks if they wanted to effectively wipe as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:24 PM

    @William Jennings: munitions from the US are still coming though Irish air space ,the OT bill has been put in the back burner ,yes we do cosy up to china ( a major mistake)

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    Feb 14th 2025, 11:26 PM

    @Setanta O’Toole: it’s hardly a reply to him is it

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    Feb 15th 2025, 1:48 PM

    @William Jennings: 42,500 militants in Gaza?

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:18 PM

    @William Jennings: More unproven claims and genocide is not a Holocaust inversion.
    You are plucking at straws.
    Being anti Israelis government action and being anti sematic are two different things completely.
    Does that make the Jewish communality is Israel and elsewhere who are against the war anti sematic as well.

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:20 PM

    @William Jennings: This government have never trivialised the Holocaust.
    This government have given funding to the UN organisations. Same as we have everywhere else in the world.
    It is a disgrace to use the Holocaust for a political angle!

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:02 PM

    Spud guns for all.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:36 PM

    @Paddy Ryan: class comment Paddy

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    Feb 14th 2025, 8:09 PM

    We can pretend to be neutral but in reality we are not, we are part of Europe and that’s it, say we are neutral is delusional thinking.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:02 PM

    Ireland is not Neutral the six counties is part of NATO .

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:05 PM

    @Jack Moss: No part of this country is part of NATO. Northern Ireland is part of NATO this country isn’t. So yes we are neutral

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:14 PM

    @Ger Whelan: tell that to the VVS

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    Feb 14th 2025, 9:40 PM

    Better start making the bows and arrows so.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:03 PM

    Actually Ireland is not neutral the six counties is part of NATO . Irish troops from NI have been fighting in wars for the last 350 yrs including the two world wars , Korean War and recent conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ireland is not recognised as a neutral country by the Taliban, Nazis or any other country that Irish troops from NI have served in so your neutrality is pointless .

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    Feb 16th 2025, 12:22 PM

    @Jack Moss: The Nazis did, same as Portugal was neutral! You really should study Irish history a bit more!
    Ireland is known as a neutral country worldwide due to our UN work. One of the reasons we were voted onto the UN Security council!

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    Feb 15th 2025, 3:43 AM

    No point spending anything on defense while we let in God’s knows who at the airport

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    Feb 14th 2025, 8:11 PM

    We have no choice. The Trump regime will soon be adding Ireland to its list of future colonies.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 8:13 PM

    @Ed Ruttledge: Lay off the whiskey bud.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 10:03 AM

    Yes, makes sense but the idea that Ireland can ‘defend itself’ particularly in relation to invasion from another nation is laughable

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    Feb 15th 2025, 4:11 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: invasion is not the only military threat. And Invasion is rather unlikely. We also face non military threats, flooding, fire and other natural disasters. Ireland is woefully unprepared for ANY sort of difficulty or crisis. To say we should just give up and do nothing, spend nothing, recruit and train nobody just because in the unlikely event Russia were to mount a full invasion of Ireland marshalling its entire military to do so – we might struggle to repel them – is childish.

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    Feb 15th 2025, 5:00 PM

    @DAN TEDSON: Agreed, makes the most sense that the main focus of a ‘defence force’ should be based around the functional requirements of all the situations you mentioned and more, certainly it should be a job to ‘aspire’ to and not just a catch all.

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    Feb 14th 2025, 6:02 PM

    If we’re to buy arms from outside of the eu we should be buying Chinese technology

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    Feb 15th 2025, 8:00 PM

    There is no one in the defence forces to use the new armoured cars ect we need skilled pilots with minimum of 4th gen jets we purchase 2 new ships now tied up with no one to man them

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