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Avoiding the pensions timebomb may mean making retirement older - but exactly how old?

It may be a case of linking it to someone’s life-expectancy based on when they’re born.

‘HOW LONG SHOULD a person get the State pension for?’

This has become an increasingly difficult question to answer.

Back in the day, it was easy. In 1908, when the state pension was first introduced as part of a UK law, you had to be 70 to qualify for it. A typical Irish person was expected to live until they were about 50.

Now, this was skewed by higher infant mortality. But even still, a typical person would only be expected to draw down the payments for a few years before dying – crucially, not costing the state too much money.

But there’s been three big changes since 1908.

First, we’re living much longer. Life expectancy at birth in Ireland is about 81 for men and 84 for women. So a person who reaches the current retirement age of 66 can be expected to draw down the state pension for somewhere between 15 and 20 years – far longer than in the 1900s.

But, hey, societies are meant to progress, right? Surely people being able to enjoy more time free from work is a good thing?

Well, in theory, everyone would like the retirement age to be as low as possible. But this is where Big Changes Number 2 and 3 come in.

Secondly, Irish society is aging, and thirdly, birth rates are falling. Taken together, this will mean more old people and fewer young people / workers to replace them.

The upshot is, whereas now there are four workers for every pensioner, by 2050, it’s expected there will only be two.

Timebomb

This is a big problem, because as explained previously, people don’t actually pay into a pot for their own state pension throughout their working lives.

The social security / PRSI payments of current workers are immediately used to fund the pensions of current retirees. Current workers will rely on younger workers to do the same for them in the future.

But we’ve just established – the number of workers is going to drop, significantly, relatively soon.

It means the State will then be left making payments to a much larger group of retirees, for a much longer time, with a much smaller pool of workers.

So how can this circle be squared?

There have been plenty of ideas put forward to defuse the so-called pension time bomb, but when boiled down to it, many of them amount to some variation of:

  • Significantly raise taxes for younger workers
  • Increase the retirement age

We’ve examined Option One before. Option Two is what we’re going to take a look at now, as the OECD has put it back on the agenda.

For those who don’t know the OECD by its acronym, or its catchy actual name – the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development – basically, it’s an intergovernmental organisation / club of all the richest countries in the world. While its recommendations are often ignored by national governments, they at least carry some weight.

And an OECD report from earlier this month made this suggestion: “Given Ireland’s high life expectancy at birth, linking the retirement age to life expectancy could yield large benefits.”

It’s worth recognising the ‘benefits’ here would be for the State, not the individual.

Life expectancy 

Linking pension age to life expectancy essentially means raising the qualifying age for the state pension.

Doing this would save the country money, with the tradeoff being that people would have to work for longer.

But how much longer?

Well, as you might have guessed – it would depend on life expectancy. The OECD said:

For example, Ireland could increase the pension age by 2/3 of the increase in life expectancy.

This means that, for every year of increased life expectancy, the pension age should rise by two-thirds of a year

For example, if population life expectancy rose from 81 to 84 – an increase of three years – the State pension age would rise by two years.

This change would likely save the state billions of euro every year.

The government has actually looked at doing the exact same thing – in 2021, the Department of Finance published a report which also proposed the life expectancy link.

It found that the impact of the policy would be to raise the state pension age to 72 by 2070.

This was because it assumed life expectancy will rise to 86.8 for men and 90.4 for women – a rise of just under five years for both.

It also assumed that the state pension age would first rise from 66 to 68 – something which never happened.

While the pension age was meant to rise from 66 to 68 by 2028, after this became a massive issue at the 2020 general election, the move was scrapped.

The Department of Finance report was published in 2021 – meaning with the pension age still a sensitive issue, the proposal was put on the back burner.

But the Department published a report in June which again raised the idea of linking the pension age to life expectancy.

But would creating this life expectancy link be a good idea?

Well, the Department of Finance certainly thinks so – its most recent report said – the move would be the “optimal approach” to dealing with the so-called pension ‘timebomb’.

It’s also an approach which is being examined in several other countries. Denmark has moved to such a system, with the result being that those currently aged 25 may not be able to retire until they are 74.

Finland and Sweden have also brought in similar changes.

A big problem, obviously, is that this has a much bigger impact on younger workers.

Denmark is looking at slowing the life expectancy-linked age increases in the coming decades for this reason.

The other key issue is that the changes will likely more negatively affect poorer people.

The gist of this idea is that those on lower incomes are more likely to work manual jobs which damage their bodies. Therefore, they likely won’t live as long, and so may not even reach retirement age at all.

A study published in 2021 pointed this out, finding that the disadvantage faced by those from “lower socio-economic groups” is “magnified when retirement age is linked to life expectancy”.

However, this has been called into question by other studies, including one which found that “socio-economic status poorly predicts lifespan”.

Nevertheless, Finland has already moved to address the perceived issue, letting those who have worked in “physically or mentally wearing” roles to qualify for the state pension two years earlier than the rest of the population.

But while these are worries, the money will likely be the decider.

And this is where it’s good news for Department of Finance officials – in Sweden, it appears the move will help address the state’s pension issue.

Given the stink kicked up during the 2020 election, Irish politicians are unlikely to voluntarily raise the issue of a life expectancy link in the near future.

But the latest Department of Finance report shows that state officials are still keen on the idea – and so is the OECD.

While it would be a hard sell politically, don’t be surprised if the idea makes a return at some point in the not-too-distant future.

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    Mute Martin Ryan
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:13 PM

    The longer it takes the more interest AIB will have to pay won’t they?

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    Mute Plantation Watch
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:29 PM

    The bailout is bigger than 21 Billion, the low interest rates and DIRT @ 41% are not taken into account.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:38 PM

    True Martin but the more interest they have to pay , the longer it will take for them to get back to profitability.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:05 PM

    Future tax on profits written off against taxpayer covered debts.

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    Mute Mark Lillis
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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:30 PM

    Profits earned for a large part by charging crazy customers fees to those that bailed them out.

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    Mute Looky here
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    Nov 14th 2014, 12:03 AM

    Investment ?!! More like theft !!

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:14 PM

    Woohoo we’ll all be rich again. I’ve an option on some apartments in Bulgaria if anyone’s interested?

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:40 PM

    Bulgaria is old news Kim, Cape Verde is where its at, the new Canaries!… Ryan Air will be flying there soon. Yer man from Cork that knows about the money is selling them!

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:52 PM

    Brendan oil own fake is it ?

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:01 PM

    I like your style Ronan, just for that I’ll throw in a hot tub.

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    Nov 14th 2014, 1:59 AM

    Brendan Investments …come on now people keep up ….

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    Mute Martin Sinnott
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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:19 PM

    The Irish taxpayer paid out €21 Billion to bail out the Bank, then the senior bailed the pension fund with over €1.5 Billion, they retired on huge Pensions. Then they closed the pension to new members. The tax payer is paying 1000 staff salaries of over €100,000. Tax payers are taken to the cleaners by the AIB. You would want to be a gxxxxxxe to Bank with them.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:11 PM

    In 1984, AIB was bailed out, at a cost of £400 million to the Irish taxpayer, when its subsidiary (ICI) collapsed. The following year AIB paid out a dividend to its shareholders, while still in-hoc to the taxpayer.

    Less than 25 years later AIB was back, cap in hand, for another draw down.

    As from the last budget, it would appear, the government will, now, be incentivising even greater incompetence and negligence through its revised taxation policy.

    http://m.independent.ie/business/irish/why-one-irish-bank-wont-have-to-pay-tax-until-2034-30391556.html

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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:44 PM

    I despise that bloody bank, really actively despise it, I have more respect for a junkie thief than I have for anyone working for it.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 9:20 PM

    Saw that in the paper today, Martin. I nearly choked on me sandwich. 1000 AIB staff on over €100,000. Nothing has changed, these people live in a different world, on our money and nobody seems to care.

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    Mute John McCormack
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    Nov 13th 2014, 11:08 PM

    All the sheeple red arrowing me- the type that doff their cap to their “betters”
    A bankrupt state in tatters because of AIB- generations enslaved to paying for this God awful mess and these sad sacks red arrow someone pointing out how despicable this bank is- third time being bailed out by the tax payers and it’s these clowns attitude will see them bankrupt us again.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:36 PM

    Anybody that owes the AIB money shouldn’t pay it until they give all that money back to the taxpayers

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:21 PM

    jaysus!

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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:28 PM

    yep – this is a brilliant idea and will definitely help the borrower, the lender and the State finances all in one go.
    I look forward to the next economic marvel from you Denise.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:28 PM

    Well we’ll keep it so until you do – all of it ! not 75% ……” there’s a big bonus for ye lads and a few share options Isn’t the Irish public really stupid”,
    ALL OF IT !

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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:29 PM

    A fraction of this €21b would fix our water system and therefore no need for any Irish Water charges

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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:56 PM

    That’s like €4.5k for each citizen. That would give the local economy some boost. Can I expect a cheque in the post?

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    Nov 13th 2014, 6:31 PM

    Too f***ing late AIB the people have already had to suffer from your mess

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    Nov 13th 2014, 10:34 PM

    Well they could start by returning the €18 they stole from my account, which f***ed up a direct debit payment.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:39 PM

    If we get double digits billions back from the bank we will be doing well. AIB isn’t worth 21 billion.

    The big swing is the taking back the provisions for bad loans which were the worse worse case. That’s why they made big losses as they had to put huge money aside and now they don’t need it so they can take some and call it a profit.

    But that’s a short term thing as the economy improves and losses reduce. They still haven’t shown they can make money long term.

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    Nov 13th 2014, 3:45 PM

    IF I was a sausage I’d dance at the crossroads with a pink tutu on, while reciting the government ignored out of copyright amhran na bfhiann backwards on a bicycle !

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    Nov 13th 2014, 7:02 PM

    What about some decking Kim, a hot tub and some decking and im in!! I already have one in Kusadasi.

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    Nov 14th 2014, 10:13 AM

    It’s about time we took our fingers out of our holes and marched on the banks think about what they done to this country and how easy they got away with it . FFs Ireland’s paying 42% of the over all debt of the eu, so how dose the smallest end up paying the most

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:01 PM

    Bing!

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    Nov 13th 2014, 4:32 PM

    So how much will my bank shares be worth by then…??

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    Nov 13th 2014, 5:13 PM

    As Paul said they will be worth “Bing”

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    Nov 20th 2014, 7:36 PM

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