I agree it is worthless..every nan woman and child should storm the dail and other government building sieze the country..no big changes just cut the RSS etc pensions and pay,strip the assets of the bond holders..tell Germany we want a better deal or we are not paying..
it would be hard for a few years but we would gain our feet reinstall the beloved pound

Richard who are you paraphrasing there?

So Vinnie, what you’re saying is you not only want chaos nationally with people “storming” the Dail, you want someone then who is selected by these rebels to go and threaten Europe? Oh and reinstate the punt, which would massively devalue, while retaining debt held in euro so we would have even bigger problems paying it. That sounds brilliant. Chaos, disorder and a country controlled by people who don’t respect democracy or other people’s opinions so they instigate violence to have their way. Well done buddy, that sounds euphoric and would definitely sort out all our problems.

Jesus.

“Richard who are you paraphrasing there?”
Most of the people spouting anti-governmental nonsense, to be frank. Lots and lots of populist BS being spouted with no actual alternatives on offer. This march will amount to a lot of people suffering gross NIMBY-ism, collectively saying “No” while not offering or even thinking of a viable alternative.

so you would rather you your children and their children pay for someone else’s mistakes would a few bad years for us compensate this?pretty spineless not to look after the interests of your children..if I got several million on loan and can’t pay I presume you will have your check book out to help me pay it.. well within reason of electing a new government obviously not a ak-47 weilding manic we have thousands or reputable people for the job..if you had red it we were not paying any dept unless we got a better deal..

Most of the people spouting anti-governmental nonsense said “What alternative would you like to suggest?”
“Shut up! No more cuts!” oh wasn’t aware of that. Don’t think I’ll go to that big march now. Thanks for the help Dick

Richard. If we went back to the punt (unlikely) I’m curious as to why we would retain debt in Euros? Surely in the scenario Vinnie describes we would be writing off all debt?

While I wouldn’t like to see rioting in the streets a “velvet revolution” such as took place in Iceland when the removed their government and forced new elections with people not associated with past failures would maybe be something to look at?

“so you would rather you your children and their children pay for someone else’s mistakes would a few bad years for us compensate this?”
A few bad years? You believe that discarding democracy and letting whoever has the most physical force run the country would only result in a few bad years, do you? You think that giving the finger to our EU partners, the union with which we rely on for trade, would result in a few bad years?

No Vinnie, no. I’ve absolutely no desire to see Ireland turn into a violent dictatorship that burns its bridges with Europe. I was going to say I would hope you understand why that is, but you’ve clearly a very loose grasp of reality in suggesting this nonsense in the first place.

With regards to someone else’s mistakes, with the exception of the banking sector the majority of the mistakes made were made by the electorate of this very country. People continually voted for Fianna Fail who are the very people to thank for our massive, overpaid civil service and the massive bills that we’ve to go cup in hand to Europe to pay. If it weren’t Fianna Fail, it would have been another party who set us up for these mistakes because at the time, the people of Ireland voted for whoever would spend the most. That happened to be Fianna Fail and they were re-elected time and time again until finally people saw it was too late, changed their votes and ignorantly expected magic to happen, for the mistakes to disappear and for everything to suddenly be right again.

And now that those mistakes are taking time to repair, with a cost to those who actually voted for the people who made them, there’s people here demanding chaos, violence and a dictatorship?

You couldn’t make it up.

“pretty spineless not to look after the interests of your children..”
You’re really grasping here. The country is looking after the interests of the future but it’s futile in even discussing it as values like having a strong relationship with Europe, a democratic system instead of a dictatorship etc. appear to be completely lost on you.

” well within reason of electing a new government obviously not a ak-47 weilding manic we have thousands or reputable people for the job..”
Ok, then get them together and run them for the next general election. If they’re good and the answer you claim to be, they’ll get in, right? Anyway, you mentioned storming the government buildings and seizing the country, so you’re advocating violence and installing an unelected government. No thank you.

“if you had red it we were not paying any dept unless we got a better deal..”
You do realise they’re not obliged to give us money, don’t you? They could pull the funding tomorrow and we wouldn’t have anything to pay any of the 400,000 odd on the government bill, including the Gardai and hospital staff.

We’re a small, open economy with massive exposure to the union and are extremely heavily dependent on exports, and you want to go and threaten them because you want better terms on our loan payments, while completely disregarding the reasons why we actually need those loans in the first place. Hint: The banks are only a small part of that.

Lunacy all around.

@ Richard I had red about half your last comment and honestly I couldn be arsed reading the rest I haven time to even my wit with a idiot who commented on my opinion without reading it TWICE..bu bye

“Richard. If we went back to the punt (unlikely) I’m curious as to why we would retain debt in Euros? Surely in the scenario Vinnie describes we would be writing off all debt?2

Because the debt was granted in Euro? If I borrowed $100 off my American friend and moved to Zimbabwe, when I go to repay the debt am I paying him $100USD or $100 Zimbabwe Dollars? I’m either paying it back in dollars or the equivalent in my Zimbabwe Dollars.

Writing off all debt is a bigger fantasy than the other “lets storm the Dail, seize the buildings and make our own Government” nonsense than we’ve already been subjected to. If we keep our relationship with our creditors intact, however, we may get some written off anyway, as we did before I believe.

“While I wouldn’t like to see rioting in the streets a “velvet revolution” such as took place in Iceland when the removed their government and forced new elections with people not associated with past failures would maybe be something to look at?”

But we had an election not so long ago and we didn’t have a surge of new parties with new ideas turning up? Why would we force one now with absolutely no alternatives out there and nobody stepping forward to vote for?

I’ve stated before: An election, if held tomorrow, would amount to a very expensive exercise in removing Labour. An exercise that most likely isn’t even worth it given the caliber of those who’d replace them as the junior partner.

My ideal is a meritocracy where we have a small government of experts in their different fields and better local representation, but that’s not going to come about tomorrow so I’m making do with what we have, and what we have it a million times better than a dog-eat-dog, violent fight for power, as the citizens subjected to warlords in Africa will surely attest.

“Richard I had red about half your last comment and honestly I couldn be arsed reading the rest I haven time to even my wit with a idiot who commented on my opinion without reading it TWICE..bu bye”

Oh no, whatever will I do without further rantings of someone who clearly struggles to string a basic sentence together?

Pray for me while I struggle to fill the void.

oh my bad THREE times..

We did have an election about 18 months ago I agree. The parties who won the majority of the vote have not done what they claimed they would do if elected. So maybe if there was another election called this time we might see some credible alternatives appearing? If I remember correctly before the last GE there was some talk of a new party being formed but those looking at the option decided that the time line was to short?

Still here, Vinnie? Don’t worry about it buddy, you said you were going so run along and don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

“We did have an election about 18 months ago I agree. The parties who won the majority of the vote have not done what they claimed they would do if elected.”
Obama achieved little of the things he said he would in the first 4 years but he was re-elected today and rightly so. Why was this? Because he’s their best available solution to the problem.

I don’t agree with loads of stuff the current Government has done, or has failed to do. My biggest criticism of the current government is the payments made to the bondholders – I just don’t get why they’re happening. However, I’ve no doubt that they’re happening for a reason and that reason is beyond the control or desires of our government.

Would I have anyone else of those available running the country? Absolutely not. No way.

Promises and the reality of the situation/life are often two different things. Governments, candidates etc. state what they aim to do. What they can get done is often a very small subsection of that.

“So maybe if there was another election called this time we might see some credible alternatives appearing?”
But we wouldn’t. If an election were called tomorrow, Fine Gael would be at the helm of Government again the day after, Labour would be replaced and we’d be back essentially where we started.

” If I remember correctly before the last GE there was some talk of a new party being formed but those looking at the option decided that the time line was to short?”

The country is so steeped in tradition voting that even if a new party did turn up, I think it would take years and many general elections for them to have a fighting chance. 1 in 5 in Ireland is ready to vote for Fianna Fail again. That’s a pretty terrifying statistic when you think about the sheer destruction their choices caused the country.

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I think the iodine tablets were a reaction to the original advice from a Fianna Fail minister to a nuclear disaster. “Stay indoors and close all your windows”…………mmmmmm…..