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Aer Lingus: Continued plans for industrial action "regrettable"

SIPTU said its members are not in a position to withdraw the notice for industrial action until they receive acceptable clarifications on some issues.

AER LINGUS HAS said it finds it “most regrettable” that SIPTU is to continue with plans for industrial action at the airline.

The company is in the process of activating its disruptions handling plan and said it will do everything possible on Monday 19 November to minimise disruption to its customers’ travel plans. “Aer Lingus’ primary focus in the coming days is on our customers,” said a statement.

It added:

Aer Lingus finds it most regrettable that SIPTU has taken this decision to use Aer Lingus customers as leverage in a dispute, for which a way forward is clearly available.
The requirement for employment cost stabilisation measures has been consistently stated by Aer Lingus in all of its statements. This requirement is not new and Aer Lingus’ position in this regard remains unchanged.

The airline said it will communicate proactively with customers over the coming days to inform them of any anticipated schedule changes.

Clarification

The SIPTU council of representatives at Aer Lingus has sought clarification from the ICTU and IBEC on aspects of their proposal to mediate in the pensions dispute.

SIPTU Sector Organiser, Dermot O’Loughlin, said:

Our members are seeking the removal of pre-conditions introduced by Aer Lingus and which we believe to be unrelated to the pension crisis. In addition, we need clarification on the roles and responsibilities of all the participants mentioned in the ICTU/IBEC proposals. Separately, the union needs to establish if the Dublin Airport Authority is committed to the ICTU/IBEC proposals including the intention to refer certain issues to the Labour Court, where necessary.

He said that SIPTU members are not in a position to withdraw the notice for industrial action at the airline until such time as acceptable clarifications are received.

Yesterday, SIPTU held an emergency meeting with its Aer Lingus committee to discuss a five-point-plan from ICTU and IBEC to help solve the Aer Lingus/DAA pension crisis.

Following that meeting, O’Loughlin said the committee welcomes all initiatives aimed at resolving this difficult and complex dispute. He said that Aer Lingus has linked the resolution of the pension crisis to productivity/stabilisation measures, and:

Our members will not accept any proposals that require them to engage in productivity negotiations as a condition of protecting their pension entitlements.

Unions served Aer Lingus notice of industrial action last week.

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    Mute Enda Corry
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:42 PM

    No wonder irish nurses go to Australia! !!

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    Mute Regonald Timpson
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:44 PM

    Except the cost of living is higher in Australia.

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    Mute MVM
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:46 PM

    As is the wage..basic understanding you don’t have

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    Mute Brian Ó Cinnéide
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:47 PM

    And so is the nurses salary. With better working hours and professional development opportunities.

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    Mute Enda Corry
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:52 PM

    More wages, less tax, and better facilities!! Whereas in Ireland your worked to the ground

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    Mute ITS Student
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:56 PM

    Australian wages are LOW. That is the reason taxes there are low. However, Australian cost of living (food, rent, transport) is ENORMOUS. Ask anyone who went there.

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    Mute Michael J Collins
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:01 PM

    Simple way of dealing with this is to disband the Degree Programme for Nurses as Australia has done and bring all salaries in line with the new entry level but add increments for service. I’m fed up hearing about these ward clerical officers ( which I have personally witnessed as a client of the Health Service over the past four years) and lets move on.
    If nurses want to move to Timbuktu then let them as a matter of choice but let’s also make sure that people who walk away within a defined time from their expensive education which is largely funded by the State, they should be asked to pay back such monies.

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    Mute Eimear Smith
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:41 PM

    I don’t even know where to begin…..

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    Mute Pat McCarthy
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:23 PM

    That’s not true. A graduate nurse is on 60k aus dollars. I’m not going to look it up the exchange but say 47-48k euros? And the 60k graduate wage is correct as I am Australian and my friend is a nurse. It’s ridiculous money. Yeah things are expensive in Australia but the wages more than compensate.

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    Mute Pat McCarthy
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:24 PM

    Apologies for the grammar. I’m on the couch watching father ted

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    Mute Egallag
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:40 PM

    Michael J Collins? More like Margaret H Thatcher.

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    Jan 5th 2013, 2:30 AM
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    Mute Jillian
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:19 PM

    I have seen nurses being verbally abused in A & E and have heard of them being attacked by unstable/drunk patients while they were simply trying to do their jobs. Despite this from what I have seen they should be praised for the job they undertake. Us office workers don’t exactly risk our lives everyday we go to work, they do! In my opinion they deserve every penny they get and much more besides! I hope their petition gets them the attention and wages that they deserve.

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    Mute Mark Dalt
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    Jan 5th 2013, 12:26 AM

    Recall “vote yes for jobs and stability”. It looks like some intellectually stupid voters had another missed opportunity. They knew this would happen if they voted Fine Gael.

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    Mute Eileen Gabbett
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    Jan 5th 2013, 2:01 AM

    Mark Dalt
    I don’t think we knew it was going to turn out this way .People voted for what FG said ,not realising they were all telling lies. I voted FG . I apologise and I will never vote for them labour, FF, Greens again. However , they were voted in to get FF/Greens out . They lied .
    The nurses are entitled to a proper wage , I wish them well and I support them .
    This all started years ago when they introduced productivity into the civil service and then tried to do the same
    for the frontline public service, which can not be measured in terms of productivity. It has been a down ward spiral since.
    It is an absolute disgrace that nurses who are continually upkeeping their qualifications after 4 years of study are subjected to these petty and ignorant cuts to their pay.

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    Mute Eamonn Bolger
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    Jan 5th 2013, 11:35 PM

    Eileen – a “proper wage” can only be paid if the employer is solvent. It is bankrupt. Where do you suggest the money comes from?

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    Mute martin quinn
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:27 PM

    ITS Student how dare you say people who become nurses do so because they feel it will be an easy ride..what an idiot!!!

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    Mute Declan Carr
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:35 PM

    What time is this taking place? I would like to give them my support and I am sure a lot of readers would support them.

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    Mute Sinéad O'Carroll
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:36 PM

    11am, Croke Park.

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    Mute MVM
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:33 PM

    Couldn’t be right the government said the were creating jobs not extending the dole que..oh right fg are liars

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    Mute Mark Dalt
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:35 PM

    A hate based policy will not help. A government cannot spend money it doesn’t have.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:37 PM

    There is loads of money its just wasted by a bunch of half witted mongerals

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    Mute Regonald Timpson
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:42 PM

    MVM,

    You lack even the basic understanding why more people are unemployed.

    Where to start:

    - Since 2008, Ireland has suffered a DEBT crisis due to sharp economic downturn and bank bailouts. Interesting you failed to mention anything about the 32% of GDP going to the Banks.

    - Unions in the public sector feather their own nest egg in order to protect themselves at the expense of the people paying their keep.

    - Croke Park Agreement requires sacrifices from all sides.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:44 PM

    Aren’t I lucky your here to correct me….? Eh no your wrong money is just wasted

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    Mute ITS Student
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:51 PM

    @ MVM

    Nonsense. The government doesn’t “create jobs”. A government’s responsibility is to preserve the free market. The fact you aspire to becoming a government worker suggests you are a taker who likes an easy ride in life because of the generous conditions in being a public servant in Ireland (severance pay, guaranteed pension, reasonable hours, reasonable perks, etc).

    Take responsibility and look for a job in the private sector if you feel that strong.

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    Mute Cheeky Bums
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:53 PM

    Exactly! The HSE simply cannot afford the massive salary bill and as the vast majority of their budget is allocated to wages and salaries then it is logical certain cuts have to be made here.

    No one wants to see cuts to the wages of frontline staff but the reality of the situation is that the saving have to come from somewhere.

    Everyone has taken cuts along the way at some point.

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    Mute MVM
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:54 PM

    @its… they said they do and promised more jobs..maybe a little more of a background on the government might help you

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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:01 PM

    @ MVM

    There are plenty of Nurses from Europe to replace you…. So LEAVE… No one is stopping you.

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    Mute Michael J Collins
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:04 PM

    MVM
    If you work in the Public Service we all have a problem! Your basic English is so deficient that you’re likely to be unable to fulfil your basic function. Too many your when you’re at fault!

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    Mute Mark Dalt
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:08 PM

    There is No money. We have the second highest deficit in the Eurozone.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:09 PM

    @its…I’m not a nurse(I do pay myself well and treat my employees fair and lucky haven’t had to make anyone redundant) I just think its a farse how nurses,gards etc are treated maybe when you have to leave the security of sitting in college and try find work your attitude will change

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    Mute Paul MC
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:28 PM

    Get a job in a different trade, you don’t have to be a nurse.
    If you don’t like the wages go elsewhere, nobody is forcing you to work here.

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    Mute fred
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    Jan 4th 2013, 11:00 PM

    The health service is in a mess! Chronic problem of overcrowding and understaffing in the acute hospitals and closing some emergency services to other hospitals. I’ve started seeing things that shouldn’t happen.

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    Jan 5th 2013, 4:28 AM

    Nurses from Europe?
    ITS student – why do you think nurses will come here with the shite conditions (and I’m not just talking about money, there’s the understaffing and the under resourced health system to deal with)
    Nurses from another country are not a solution

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    Mute Paul MC
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    Jan 5th 2013, 10:12 AM

    Duh, nurse wage low, try a different job. No brainer.

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    Mute Dave Harris
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    Jan 5th 2013, 11:29 AM

    You idiot Paul
    You have’nt been in hospital have you?
    Wait till you need a nurse and you’re lying on a trolley for a couple of days, and there is not enough nurses to look after you because the government persists with this nonsense (after all the other stupid policies like the recruitment ban)

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    Mute Paul MC
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    Jan 5th 2013, 6:00 PM

    Dave, you plonker!
    They don’t have to take the job, what part of this do you not get?
    Free will etc.
    Just because somebody does a particular job does not mean they are entitled to a particular wage – duh!

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    Jan 8th 2013, 5:39 PM

    @PAUL MC

    So what will you do then Paul when you get sick? Who will look after you? If all the nurses just decide to leave their jobs because ‘nobody is forcing them to work here’ what will you/your mother/your son/your wife do when they’re sick? What an idiotic comment.

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    Mute Joanne Copeman
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    Jan 4th 2013, 9:09 PM

    If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys!! How can you justify paying a one nurse on a ward €22,000 and his/her colleague €10-15 k or so more for the exact same work? I didn’t go into nursing for the money as I’m sure alot of nurses didnt, but this is a total disgrace. We’ve given our fair share in cuts already……………….

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    Mute Mark Dalt
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    Jan 5th 2013, 12:19 AM

    starting salary of €33,470

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    Mute Sinead Fox
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    Jan 5th 2013, 2:07 AM

    Mark they are after cutting that starting salary already and the one they are looking to offer to new graduates is for 22k! I am busting myself going back to college as a mature student let alone kids going without also but at this rate i must be nuts as i would earn more working in lidl without having to take 4 years out to study and train my butt off! Nurses wages have been hit by about 34% cuts already! Not looking to qualify for money obviously but 22k really is taking the biscuit!

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    Mute Karolyn Cassidy
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:57 PM

    2 year contracts only? What happens after the 2 years? Back to the dole que? The 2 year contract is to give them training? What do they do in the 4 years prior? Nurses are out on training from 1st semester, it’s not like other college degree’s, nurses have class time tables but also have to work long hours on the wards without pay to gain adequate training infact from year 3 student nurses are rostered down as a working nurse to keep ward numbers up and hide how understaffed the Hse really is. Without them the health service would be on its knees. What happened to telling our kids to go to college, get a good job and to not end up like us. I can’t believe how the irish have become so content with being treated like peasants by our masters. We’re like dogs coming back with licks after getting a kicking, begging for some scraps off the dinner table. Fair play to the students, I wish them all the best.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:03 PM

    Most surprising thing in this article is that they used to have a starting salary of 33,470€

    No wonder the country is broke

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    Mute Joan Featherstone
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:54 PM

    Jesus Wiseman is that true, no bloody sympathy so…son did mechanical engineering in TCD four years, just like the nurses, had to leave no jobs here, works in UK, same graft but not same salary, get real unions!

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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:46 PM

    ?33,000? Thats not alot really, although i know lots of people don’t earn it. But nurse’s are not the sort of public servants that deserve to be squeezed anymore. They are not responsable for the countrys cock up. Hard working, long hours, abused and under appreciated group of people that would nurse people (including the people who tar public workers with one big brush) back to health.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 10:46 PM

    As a STARTING salary I’d say its terrific – just out of college ???

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    Mute Mick Fox
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:41 PM

    If only there was a bloated layer of administration and middle management that could be tackled before screwing the low paid front line workers.

    Unfortunately the drawbridge is up and the newbies have to take the hit.

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    Mute Arbitrasure
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:47 PM

    Minimum wage and dole for able bodied people who won’t work are too high, they should be reduced to European norms so as these new roles are in excess on the minimum.

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    Mute ITS Student
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    Jan 4th 2013, 7:02 PM

    So should public sector wages and their pensions.

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    Mute Danny Stultz
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:36 PM

    In Germany, Nurses earn €200 less than Ireland every week. We have a higher cost of living with higher taxes too.

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    Mute TheHeathen
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:39 PM

    Fair play

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    Mute MVM
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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:39 PM

    What’s a nurses wage in Ireland?

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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:43 PM

    200 euro? a week? Less? I sincerely doubt that you are correct.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:53 PM

    Why so many thumbs down for Danny? Is it possible they come from civil servants who want their pay to be kept a secret from benchmarking to Eurozone levels?

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    Mute Susan O Connell
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    Jan 5th 2013, 3:07 AM

    ITS, I gave you a thumbs down, I am a public servant, after tax I earn approx 24,000 a year, that’s around 7,000 less than the average industrial wage, as an Special needs assistant I get 14 weeks a year off, my pay reflects that, yes I will have a pension at the end-which I have contributed to also, I find it insulting and hilarious that 4 years ago no one gave a shit about me or my job- in fact one friend said’i wouldn’t do your job for love nor money’ yet now I find my job and me vilified every day by the media and ignorant people such as yourself, this job is a vocation to me, I never gave a second thought to my wages or pension, want to swap places for a day?

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    Mute Paul MC
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    Jan 5th 2013, 10:14 AM

    That puts in a parallel with Germany then, what is everybody bitching about?

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    Jan 5th 2013, 10:34 AM

    Oh well done, compare Ireland to Germany, another country where nurses are looked upon like dirt, sure that’ll fix the HSE.

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    Jan 5th 2013, 6:02 PM

    Not looked on as dirt you twit, nobody said that. The wages are the wages – don’t take the feckin job if the wages are crap.
    Did you ever hear of supply and demand?
    The laws of economics.

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    Mute Mark Dalt
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    Jan 5th 2013, 8:49 PM

    Susan O Connell,

    In my experience, I had to endure a lot of bureaucracy, poor service, and abuse of power for simple things like getting a drivers license. This is the result of a big government – you have to justify your existence and you also have to be paid. I care about my freedom more than anything, but when my freedom is being taken, I don’t care if it mistaken by the government, or by society. I care simply that it is being taken. In reality, your neighbors can take your freedom just as easily as the government can. This is the reason applications are being made more difficult for everything resulting in people not getting their drivers license due to the massive regulatory hurdles caused by a big government.

    We need to downsize the government – for example abolish the RSA, Irish Water, PRTB and free up the market for ordinary people trying to live their lives.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:44 PM

    Don’t teachers graduate on something in the region of EUR30k? How is it fair that nurses and midwives will qualify on EUR21k? Teachers are incredibly valuable to Irish society, but no more so than nurses…. Student midwives in the UK qualify on £21k, but go to £25,500 after their 12 month preceptorship. If this goes ahead, I can see the Irish state paying for the training of hundreds of nurses and midwives who will ultimately end up going to the UK, or as other people have said, Austalia.

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    Mute Mick Fox
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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:54 PM

    But nurses get 3 months off in the summer.

    Hang on…….!

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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:56 PM

    And get off at 3-4pm everyday whilst I work 13 hour shifts. Justice!

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    Jan 5th 2013, 1:00 AM

    Without wanting to sound like I’m giving out, his isn’t helping. The septic tank protest failed because it became an urban/rural thing, the student protests failed because it became an age thing, and then there’s the constant public/private sector catfight. Teachers and nurses both got shafted, arguably worse than everybody else, and instead of arguing over who got off worse, just remember that you’re in the same boat. How much more of an impact would this protest make if the teachers unions had been invited? I don’t mean that to criticise, but it should be considered in the future. Rant over, see you tomorrow.

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    Jan 5th 2013, 2:08 AM

    Oh here we go the divide and conquer brigade are here. Get real people . Do not be distracted. Nurses are not teachers. Gardai are not Prison Officers. Firemen are not soldiers. Yet they all ,each do an incredible well disciplined job BUT different disciplines. Support the Nurses. Then maybe the teachers and the gardai Prison officers army will be fairly treated down the line also. Do not allow anyone to divide ,distract and conquer us.

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    Jan 5th 2013, 2:21 AM

    Brendan ….
    I think you will find that the Septic tank protest has not failed …
    but you are correct , they will do anything to divide us , to conquer us.
    Rant over.
    Eileen.

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    Jan 4th 2013, 6:43 PM

    Mon de Unions!

    All out worker strike representing every industry I say!

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    Jan 4th 2013, 10:11 PM

    Are they gonna do the same to newly qualified doctors…I doubt it!!!!

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    Jan 4th 2013, 10:54 PM

    They did, twice. We get paid 30-40% less than those who graduated when we started medical school.

    Docs have taken cuts aplenty.

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    Mute Jim Smith
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    Jan 5th 2013, 1:31 AM

    Consultants salaries cut by almost 40% for new entrants in the last four years. This article is about the nurses though.

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    Mute Eric Wrafter
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    Jan 5th 2013, 7:57 AM

    standing right with all the nurses and midwifes in this. they get precious little as it is and nursing is not easy with long hours and frustration huge factors. to add insult to injury many have had to emigrate to better their prospects. fair play to all who organised this and all who stand together. support your nurses, they will always be there when you need them be there for them now

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    Jan 4th 2013, 8:20 PM

    Public service employees love Croke Park !!

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    Mute Eamonn Bolger
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    Jan 5th 2013, 11:32 PM

    Same ole same ole. Unions completely detached from reality. While there are over 400,000 on the dole.

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    Mute Aisling Mahon
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    Jan 8th 2013, 5:32 PM

    Nurses will be looking after the entire nation when they are elderly and sick. They DESERVE a fair wage. How dare this country devalue the vital, life saving work we do every day of the week. I will bring my 4 year honours degree to a country that respects me. I refuse to accept anything less.

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