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Taoiseach defends ministerial tax breaks for second Dublin homes

The Taoiseach tells Pearse Doherty that cabinet ministers only receive about a tenth of the accommodation allowances that TDs do.

THE TAOISEACH has defended a tax system which allows ministers to seek an income tax deduction to cover the cost of taking a second residence in Dublin – but has said the government is “considering” the matter ahead of the Budget.

Enda Kenny told Sinn Féin’s Pearse Doherty that government ministers from outside Dublin receive an allowance of €6,000, which is taxed at 41 per cent, and therefore leaves them with just over €3,500 to cover the cost of maintaining a second home in the capital.

This is not the case, however: ministers from outside Dublin are actually entitled to have their income tax liability lowered by €6,500, in respect of their mortgage and the costs of maintaining a second home in the city.

Doherty, standing in for Gerry Adams in this morning’s Leaders’ Questions, had demanded to know if Kenny himself was availing of this system, or a similar one which allows a €3,500 tax rebate for hotel and related costs, such as laundry.

“Are you one of the 13 ministers who are availing of this tax break? Which of your ministerial colleagues are availing of this tax break?” Doherty asked.

“How can you justify [this] to the people at home, who are fearing the introduction of the household tax on their family home… [when 13 ministers] are writing off their income tax for a home in Dublin?”

Kenny said most ministers were required to be in Dublin for four or five days each week, but said the annual amount that non-ministerial TDs can receive under their parliamentary expenses system – which ministers are not entitled to – is “a multiple” of what ministers receive.

“These matters that you mention are all part of what [the] Government are considering, in respect of the Budget,” Kenny said.

Doherty said the allowance was one that Kenny had promised to abolish while he was himself in opposition, “when this gang” – pointing at the nearby Fianna Fáil contingent – “was availing of it”.

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    Mute Gary Sommerville
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:43 AM

    Interesting stats there. in my last lab I was one of 2 guys but there was 10 women

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    Mute An Ordóg Dearg
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:56 AM

    Happy days! :)

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    Mute mad_scientist
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:00 AM

    Are you working in a biology-related field? If not, that’s very unusual!

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    Mute Pilib O Muiregan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:00 AM

    Would I be right in saying that a groundbreaking project could not receive funding because it is spearheaded by a man. This positive discrimination, gender quotas and the like are stopping the best person available person for a job, reserch grant etc from getting it.

    Imagine the reaction if this was a male only grant.

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    Mute Arthur Pewty
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:21 AM

    couldnt agree more.

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    Mute Fergal Kelly
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:22 AM

    Any initiative of such importance would be supported

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    Mute White Fang
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:59 AM

    There are countless grants available for men. If a male scientist proposes a project of any merit, it will get funded.

    All this talk of ‘best man for the job’ amuses me, as if that’s what happens right now.

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    Mute Tony Garcia
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    Feb 19th 2014, 12:53 PM

    You are totally right, this is the world we live in today…

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    Mute Sarah Hempenstall
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    Feb 19th 2014, 1:06 PM

    Hi Philib,

    The problem is that the best ‘man’ for the job does not always get the job as..he is a she. There are a number of studies confirming gender bias in performance review in STEM and, also, there is a smaller pool to choose. as you know yourself, no doubt, the social and emplowment set-up in Ireland is not the friendliest towards working mothers or fathers who want to spend the first few months raising their child. this leads to a winnowing of the remaining women as they approach 30 odd years of age.

    I’m a post-doc in the Netherlands in a STEM field. In a study here a few years ago, they also found that the amount of women in science was relatively poor. They instigated a number of funding initiatives to encourage women to enter, remain in or return to research post-family. It made economic sense-after all, what was the point of them being expensively educated by the state and system only to drive them out? It also prevevnts loss of talented candidates and onset of intellectual poverty. Google NUFFIC-it gives a good shake-down of the rationale forming policy here. It’s working-numbers are climbing.

    I have yet to meet a male, Dutch scientist who complains that his chances for advancement are reduced by these initiatives or that less talented women are edging him out of funding. Perhaps they are not quite so insecure. Maybe they won’t say to me directly…who knows?

    It’s not an initiative to shaft men, it’s meant to help women and add a bit of balance to the scene. To repeat-helping women to succeed in the face of bias does not mean preventing men from succeeding in a system already tilted in their favour.

    Philib, here’s a couple of studies on gender bias in performance review-I can’t send a direct link, google the titles if you like.

    Have wonderfull Wednesday All!

    Science faculty’s subtle gender biases favor male students. Corinne A. Moss-Racusina,b, John F. Dovidiob, Victoria L. Brescollc, Mark J. Grahama,d, and Jo Handelsman

    Study shows gender bias in science is real. Here’s why it matters. By Ilana Yurkiewicz

    The Impact of Gender on the Review of Curricula Vitae of Job Appplicants and Tenure Candidates; An Empirical Study. R.E. Steinpreis et al

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    Mute Sam Aritan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 8:29 PM

    Unless that research is from Ireland Sarah, it has limited efficacy.

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    Mute Bazalini
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:44 AM

    I’d hold out for a job in Rehab tbh. Miles more money, bigger pension and you dont even have to worry about turning over a profit.

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    Mute Ken McDermott
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:32 AM

    Dont worry Bazalini, that €175k is not their salary. That’s for all research costs including salary (and possibly even the salary for any assistants needed on the project). Id be willing to that bet that successful applicants would be lucky to draw a salary even near to €50k….so yeah that rehab job would definitely be a better shout!

    Also, its funding for a project that otherwise may not have gotten funded, possibly because it is not “in vogue”. Funding discrimination based on what fields of research are in fashion is unfortunately is a fairly big problem academia, and that is before even getting into any gender discrimination issues. Ideally science should be conducted for science’s sake and the progression of knowledge, rather than for profits. I think this scheme should be welcomed.

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    Mute Conor Finlay
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    Feb 19th 2014, 2:45 PM

    +1

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    Mute Jeremy Usbourne
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    Feb 19th 2014, 10:54 AM

    Sad to see the taxpayer paying for government gender politics rather than just science.

    Research should not be about the genital assignment of the researchers, just the work & its outcomes.

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    Mute White Fang
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    Feb 19th 2014, 12:02 PM

    I couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately though, that’s not how it works. A man is far more likely to receive funding and a greater salary. What’s that, if not gender discrimination?

    Defenders of the status quo are generally ignorant to how it operates, I’ve found.

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    Mute Sam Aritan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 8:17 PM

    “A man is far more likely to receive funding and a greater salary. What’s that, if not gender discrimination?”

    Just because their may be an imbalance doesn’t make it discrimination. Equality is about equal opportunity, not equal numbers.

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    Mute John Horan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:29 AM

    Seems a little weird to be encouraging women with Ph.D’s to remain in STEM fields. Seems very much to be preaching to the choir, women who hold a Ph.D. in a STEM field, really shouldn’t need extra encouragement to get into STEM.

    I’m all for promoting women in science, we always need more scientists, but this needs to be done at the secondary and even primary school levels, not at the Ph.D. levels.

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    Mute Conor Finlay
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    Feb 19th 2014, 2:51 PM

    John,

    What we really need is positions and more funding, (a boost in wages wouldn’t hurt either with post docs now starting on 32k) to encourage people to actually stay in science. The vast majority leave academia right after the PhD or within 5 years because it provides zero financial security and low prospects. Without a significant commercial research sector in Ireland most also leave research.

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    Mute Bioprinting
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    Feb 19th 2014, 12:04 PM

    I’m a scientist in medical research, I get ignored and talked over a lot. I would imagine this happens to a lot of women researchers. More money for women scientists is a very good thing!

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    Mute Arch Stanton
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:56 AM

    All the teachers in my local primary school/creche/secondary school are female, can I get a grant, cos I really need a job, and this discrimination against men is terrible.

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    Mute agent12x
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:18 AM

    Good old leftist social engineering. Just pay people to make up the numbers even if they have no interest in the subject. I hear the next project is to fund women to become professional snooker players.

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    Mute Sinéad Ronan
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    Feb 19th 2014, 4:51 PM

    @agent, did you actually read the article? It clearly states that prospective candidates need a PHD or MD. So they’re hardly picking random women who have no interest in STEM research.

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    Mute Daniel Nevin
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    Feb 19th 2014, 11:22 AM

    Totally skewed approach for aligning equal gender representation in STEM. Grants should be awarded based on the quality and strength of the applicant and their proposal, not on their gender. Will the government be rolling out a similar, positive discrimination scheme for areas in which men are unrepresented?

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    Mute Fergus Smyth
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    Feb 20th 2014, 2:40 PM

    Would you ever make valid points

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    Mute Owen Slattery
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    Feb 19th 2014, 12:07 PM

    Men and women have the exact same opportunities to study science in this country, instead why not offer grants to the best regardless of gender? That would do a lot more for science

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    Mute Rachel Mc Veigh
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    Feb 19th 2014, 7:48 PM

    As a product of the Irish education system I can tell you that men and women don’t have the same opportunities to study science and engineering. In secondary school; I was actively discouraged from taking subjects like metal work, chemistry and physics – sure why wouldn’t I want to do home edc instead? I studied Microbiology and biochemistry in college and while it was much better for me then in secondary school, friends of mine who studied chemistry and physics told me that some TAs and Lectures almost expected them to drop out at some stage.

    It is an uphill struggle for woman to get into certain fields of science; let alone get a PHD in a subject and once they get there they often find it difficult to get grants.

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    Mute Natalie O'Brien Hughes
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    Feb 19th 2014, 2:14 PM

    Surely a job/grant/etc should be given based on merit not gender. I know there are far less women in the lab sciences, but surely the answer is to see why as opposed to anything else.

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    Mute Mark Malone
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    Feb 19th 2014, 1:22 PM

    Positive discrimination strikes again!!

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    Mute Zossima
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    Feb 19th 2014, 6:48 PM

    Women in the workplace. Bad idea.

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    Mute ipsum oleum
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    Feb 19th 2014, 12:35 PM

    Just mention Gerbil Worming [aka climate change] and you get double :-)

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