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Column The moment I met the woman having my baby

Caroline and Niall O’Flaherty had a daughter by a surrogate mother in India. Here, Caroline recalls the moment they met her.

A new book called, Baby Ava: An Irish Surrogacy Story, tells the story of a couple’s struggle to conceive, ending with their journey to a surrogacy clinic in India.

Here Caroline O’Flaherty, who wrote the book with her husband Niall, describes the moment she met the woman who would carry her child:

ON THE THIRD day of our visit we met Nita. For so long I had been gearing up for this moment and now that it had arrived I felt both nervous and excited. Curiosity as to what she was like increased, as well as how we would communicate since she spoke no English, and how we would get on. It was becoming the most important part of the trip.

At the clinic, Dr Hitesh showed us into a private room where Nita was sitting. She was dressed in a beautiful stripped sari with gold trim, with long black thick hair and a red bindi mark on her forehead. Like many Hindu women her nose was pierced and she wore gold earrings as well as her wedding necklace. Aged twenty-eight, she looked much younger, perhaps because she was so petite. From her profile I knew she was about five foot, just a few inches shorter than I was. Accompanying her that day were her two young children, a boy and a girl, and her husband, a vegetable vendor. Like Nita, her husband was equally short with a small thin physique and was smartly dressed in a check shirt and dark trousers. The family lived in Anand, not far from the railway station.

Emotionally attached

On the forum some couples say they didn’t get emotionally attached to the surrogate mother, but straight away I did. Of the two of us, I was probably the more emotional. The minute I saw her I started crying. The tears just flowed. God only knows what she must have thought. But the tears were not out of pity or anything, for she was lovely and well groomed, but maybe it was seeing her children. All I could think was how unbelievably good she was. Observing the young boy I immediately thought of my nephew Caelan – they looked about the same age and had the same brown skin colour. But I have to admit I was taken aback to see the children in the room.

‘These are her children?’ I whispered to Hitesh. ‘What do her children think she’s doing?’ ‘Well, I’ll ask her,’ he replied. And he did. ‘My job. I’m doing my job,’ Nita replied in Gujarati. Surrogacy was just her day job. I had never considered it like that before. ‘Obviously, they don’t understand everything,’ Nita continued. ‘No, they’re fine, they just know I’m going to do my job.’ ‘We are so thankful to you,’ her husband added. ‘No,’ I kept saying, ‘I am thankful to you.’ ‘We want this for you,’ he continued. ‘We want you to be happy.’ ‘Gift, gift, gift,’ Nita kept saying.

At the mention of the word gift, Bina’s words came back to me. She had urged me to remember that in Hindu culture there are so many fertility gods and that to do something like surrogacy, you’re giving someone the gift of life. It was an act of altruism, doing good for your fellow human being. Giving birth is nature’s greatest gift in your entire life.

Obviously, there’s the money end of things too. It’s only natural the women want to build a better life for themselves and their families and escape the cycle of poverty. Providing basic needs like food, clothing and shelter in India is a huge burden for some, not to mention funding other family finances or paying off debts. There is no provision for social housing in India and access to quality healthcare is limited, unless you have plenty of money. Nonetheless, these women were so good and generous and, as I saw it, you still have to be a certain type of person to do it.

What people call ‘rent a womb’ is not all black and white – it’s not a case that you go over to India and these people are queuing up saying I need the money. But because I got to know Nita and the other surrogates, that’s not the way they are, they’re human beings. Most of them would say this is a wonderful gift we are giving. And I don’t think they were purely motivated by money and justifying it under the guise of a Hindu gift.

Cost

The surrogate mothers are entitled to a certain amount of money every month – an allowance of about $25 or $50. In Nita’s case, she asked would it be possible to have a little bit extra, say $75. The fact that it was her second surrogacy and her mother would have to move into the household to share the childcare duties with her husband complicated matters. ‘Now, you don’t have to give anything extra,’ Hitesh explained, ‘it’s up to you.’ ‘Look, she’s only asked for a small amount, of course she can have it,’ I said. ‘We can give you $100 every month,’ Niall offered.

The fee for the surrogacy itself was 8,000, which was given in instalments and a lump sum at the end. We had heard that it was the equivalent of about ten years’ salary for rural Indians. Nita’s husband was a street vendor who sold vegetables and earned about 1500 rupees a month (about €22), which she said was not enough for them to run their household. Her plans for the money were centred totally on her family. The money from the first surrogacy had been kept for her children’s education. And we knew from Bina how much Indians value education; it was the best route out of poverty for them. Nita wanted to send her children to college, get jobs in the city and make something of themselves. The second time around she wanted a house, a brick house, and to move from her cramped flat so her children would have plenty of space and security.

Months later I learned more about Nita’s situation. In a BBC documentary, she revealed through an interpreter that her in-laws used to harass her at lot. After the birth of her second child, she and her husband decided to live separately from his family. She took a job at a place where they printed wedding cards and worked there for eight years. Then she heard about surrogacy, and after further enquires, brought her husband to the clinic and they discussed it with him. Initially, he disagreed and said such things were not acceptable in their society but finally she convinced him after much persuasion. At the end of our meeting, once everything was sorted out it was time to say goodbye for the moment. I really hoped it would all turn out for the best. When Nita and her family finally left the room, I was kind of wondering what to do with myself. It was all new territory for us with no handbook on surrogacy to guide us.

Surrogate house

My curiosity about the surrogate house began to grow and grow. Even Niall too wondered what it was like. So the next day I asked Uday to drive us to where Nita would be staying, just for a quick visit. I really needed to see what living conditions she would be under for the duration of the pregnancy, all going well with the embryo transfer. Both Niall and I were not immune to the claims that surrogate women were exploited and I half-visualised her tucked away in some field or chained to a bed in a locked room. We were really glad to have made the trip because it put our minds at rest.

The surrogate house we visited was about a ten-minute drive from our hotel. It was a large building on the corner of a leafy street bordered by a head-high concrete wall and wrought-iron gate. Inside was a tiled courtyard and a garden with steps leading up to the entrance. A local tax office in a former life, the two-storey house was bright and airy and a ceiling fan whirred busily inside. Though sparsely furnished there was plenty of life in the building. To begin with, a popular Indian soap opera was on the television as we entered. In one way, it was kind of funny because surrogacy was starting to become a theme in soap operas in India, as well as in films in regional dialects and Bollywood productions. I suppose it had a rich source of conflict and emotional story lines to keep viewers hooked.

The families of some of the surrogates were visiting and they sat on the ground or on white plastic chairs chatting while the children looked on obediently. I suppose the one drawback is that the women share rooms so there was nowhere private or secluded for them in the house. Downstairs there were about three dormitories, with three beds or so to each room, while upstairs there was another two or more dormitories. Close together, the beds had brightly patterned bedspreads and there was some basic shelving in the rooms for a few private possessions. In fact, the entire house was neat and tidy, though the pastel pink walls were probably due a lick of paint.

Hive of activity

Downstairs the kitchen was a hive of activity. All the food for the surrogates was cooked for them, everything prepared, so that they got the best of nutritious food, in particular milk and eggs. On the upper floor a door led to a large balcony with a clothesline and a view of the leafy neighbourhood. Despite its basic facilities, by Indian standards the house was luxurious – it had running water and electricity and was comfortable. All their needs were met; the surrogates didn’t have to get out of bed for anything. Indeed some of the women likened it to a stay in a hotel.

There was also a mother figure in the house, a nurse they called Auntie, who oversaw the care of the women, whether taking their blood pressures or easing any morning sickness. She was a real mammy of the house and in fact had been a surrogate in the past and so could support them in various ways. Much loved, she was showered with kisses and hugs whenever she brought them tea or did them a good turn. In terms of occupying themselves the women could chat, watch television, sew, use a computer or go for a walk in the fresh air. However at the same time, they weren’t free to come and go as they pleased.

Unlike in their own homes, they did not have to get up at the crack of dawn – Nita used to get up at 4am for work – and could lie in with less issues to stress them. It was hard to work out how many surrogate women were in the house. I only had a quick look but it wouldn’t have been more than fifteen. I had heard there were usually about fifty surrogates pregnant at any one time, at least when I was there. I later learnt that from 2004 to 2012, nearly 500 babies have been delivered through surrogacy, involving about 370 surrogate mothers.

Baby Ava: An Irish Surrogacy Story, by Caroline and Niall O’Flaherty, is out now and is published by Liberties Press.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:24 AM

    What about all those who couldn’t possibly think less of Britain than they already did?

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:40 AM

    @Fergal McDonagh: indeed Fergal
    Some of us never thought much of “England as Britain” particularly when acting in Ireland.
    Let’s remember “The British Government has no right in Ireland, never had any right in Ireland, and never can have any right in Ireland.” – James Connolly (1916)

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    @Fergal McDonagh: they are the half who couldn’t care less about the British. Joly Good

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    Dec 18th 2021, 9:35 AM

    @Fergal McDonagh: Some of you guys are nothing more than a mirror image of the most outspoken Brexiteers with your hate.
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    Dec 18th 2021, 11:34 AM

    @Justin Gillespie: How do you reckon the English would feel if a foreign power took 20% of their land?

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:08 PM

    @Anne Warren: yes but they aren’t ‘in’ Ireland.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:46 PM

    @A Well Known Comical Stereotype: The English would give it back in a heartbeat if they could.
    Unfortunately the bigotry and hatred on both sides means that it isn’t likely to happen anytime soon

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    Dec 18th 2021, 4:25 PM

    @Anne Warren:

    When will it stop. Its like british going on about the Romans.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 4:27 PM

    @Justin Gillespie: both sides? did both sides pressurise Britain to invade here 800 years ago. Did both sides ask for or vote for Brexit?

    Was Britain ever neutral in Ireland? Get a grip Justin, you are not fooling anyone with that nonsense – in the same week as the innocent tortured Hooded men by the British Army is back in the news.

    The thing is Justin, something you fail to get your head around, is people on here expressing such views of Britain’s role in Ireland, reserves such feelings towards the British political establishment, not the ordinary British people who are generally decent people.

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    @A Well Known Comical Stereotype:

    They did, years ago. The romans, remember them

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    Dec 18th 2021, 11:08 PM

    @Justin Gillespie: R ubbish on all counts. They could give it back in six months by making it so. The bigotry is on the side of the empire, not the victims of empire. Do you blame Nelson Mandela for apartheid?

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    As if things aren’t decisive enough, let the MSM find new angles to divide even further.

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    @Ernie Gallagher: divisive?

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    @Ernie Gallagher: Glad to see someone calling this pettiness out.

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    I think much less of our Government and the experts advising them “NETPH” after today’s announcements to be honest. At least they seem to be living some form of a normal life.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:20 AM

    @Tom Hickey: Not for much longer.

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    @Tom Hickey: Half a million new cases of covid-19 is living a normal life. Wow What do you consider normal.

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    Why do 99% of us here need so badly to be feel superior to other countries? Its not a good look.

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    @Contrary Mary: FRO back to USA. Superior? FO 99% FO

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:19 PM

    @Watchful Axe: I definitely hit a nerve. lol

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    Dec 18th 2021, 3:16 PM

    @Contrary Mary: 99% of us do not have a need to feel superior to anyone . Only Ireland’s 1% do so .

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    @Contrary Mary: Superior? you need to explain that one.

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    Don’t think they’ll lose much sleep about it

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    @The Cuban Lad: — They’re too busy hating each other to worry about any outsiders hating them.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:14 AM

    There are of course those for whom the country was already sort of sat at the bottom of the pit, so it makes one wonder whether their views could even have been properly represented in this particular survey.

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    I was born in England but feel very embarrassed by the current level of the intelligence of the electorate!!

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    @Chris Gaffney: I’m English and living in Ireland as are my family. My mother says she’s embarrassed to be British at this stage. I don’t agree with that… I’m embarrassed of Britain though.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 1:42 PM

    @Max Bailey: I’m British been here 30 odd years & couldn’t care less what people think. If they want to rejoin ROI have a vote no one cares, ask Barbados who recently voted to become an independent country no one batted an eyelid. Hong Kong went back to China having become one of the richest countries per capita in the world when the last UK governor left but if they decided to remain a part of the UK they will be defended just as the likes of Gibraltar, the Falklands etc would be. Every year during hurricane season the UK stations large warships in the Caribbean to rescue crown dependencies if they are hit because it’d responsible for their safety but no one would care if they became republics.

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    Dec 19th 2021, 1:11 PM

    @Joe Thorpe: Most of us laugh at the British belief of being superior to everyone.
    Like football, we love England getting beaten, why? we love to see the English press tie themselves up in knots about it.
    Its hilarious as they try and blame everyone else.
    A constant source of amusement.

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    What a groundbreaking poll.

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    @Ronan Walsh: We’ll, it did find Aontú voters, so that has to be a thing.

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    I wonder what percent of British people are laughing at the endless lockdowns here?

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    @Stephen Nix: Probably the 93,045 infected with covid today.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 7:26 AM

    @Stephen Nix: Uk had taken a different tactic this time round. Put messaging out recommending that people restrict their movements without enforcing it. Without doubt people are worried and are taking responsibility for themselves.

    The negative side of this, of course, is retail and hospitality are further hit but as it is not enforced, the government does not feel the same obligation for protective financial packages which many are upset about.

    Personally I think it is the correct way to go. Keeps industry afloat but emphasises the risks. Treating people like grown ups for once.

    The mass infections are mirrored all over the place. It’ll be the same everywhere. Just at different times.

    I think it is well understood that restrictions slow hospitalisation, not reduce them much.

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    @Stephen Nix: we’re not in lockdown here, curb your hyperbole. Good lad.

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    @TomTraubert: im a DJ and a barmen. i have just lost most of my income a week before Christmas. Lockdown or not this is a kick in the nuts.

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    Hello this is my first comment on the journal

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    @John Clarke: Get out John while you still can.

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    @John Clarke: Welcome to the thunderdome.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:33 AM

    I think we should join them Europe isn’t that great and the brits are in politics since there was politics I think there right

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    @John Clarke: when you have, neither punctuation nor grammar you should stop!! And brexit will be the bane of their lives not ours!!

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    @Bigblue2572: Sorry my grammar isn’t on par with yours

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    @John Clarke: grammar is the least of your worries!

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    @John Clarke: Hopefully this is your first and last comment, complete nonsense.

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    @John Clarke: and you started so well John

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:03 PM

    @Dec: lol

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:25 AM

    Boo hoo! Don’t the Irish realise that most people in Britain don’t even know Ireland exists and if they do they think that it’s just the six counties? I’m sure they’re all crying into their cafe Nero cappuccinos in Knightsbridge as I’m typing that the Irish think less of them. Ffs, get a grip people? This article is embarrassing! If England gets a chill the Irish get a cold. We only have to look at this weeks over reaction by the government here to the UK’s covid situation and the rise of omicron. Rather than looking at what doctors in South Africa have to say about it. Their knee jerk reaction is to half shut the country down because they’ve had one death in the uk. As far as brexit is concerned, they’ve made their bed, let them lie in it.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 6:43 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: I agree. Although Brexit has a big impact on us, so unfortunately we’ll be lying in the bed too to some degree.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 9:12 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: Most people in Britain don’t even know Ireland exists? God you must think worse of them than those surveyed! Brexit was a dumb move sure, but they’re not all idıots colm.

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    @Colm O’Leary: It would be interesting to know what percentage of the population in Britain have Irish Roots. I have loads of relatives who emigrated over there to find work when there was nothing for them here and never came back. They worked hard ,reared and educated their children many of whom did very well lest we forget.
    The bit I don’t understand is how it is only now it is becoming apparent to the electorate that Boris Johnson is a train wreck,a fact that was obvious to any rational person from the start.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 9:19 PM

    @Aine O Connor: Afaik it’s around 10%.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:38 AM

    Seriously I wouldn’t judge anyone on the fact they have ×#!× of a government@

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    Dec 18th 2021, 10:29 AM

    It’s not half of people in Ireland, it’s half the journal readers who took the poll

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    Dec 18th 2021, 1:23 AM

    Britain, can’t live with them, can’t live without them.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 6:40 AM

    @malcolm smith: Exactly. Very slow to get deliveries now (in my experience at least), and is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to buy decent second hand cars. I’m sure that there are many more things affected also. Brexit was/is a bit of a disaster for us

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:20 AM

    The age demographic speaks a lot.
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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:37 AM

    @Patrick Corr: Or was, and Brexit is in the process of changing that.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 10:04 AM

    Opposite for me. Brexit has brought pay rises and better conditions to our sector.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:24 AM

    I once met a person from this Britain you speak of! Blimey but they talk funny mate me old China cor guvnor that’s a real pea-souper tonight lumme oh what a knees up bang to rights you’re only supposed to blow the bloody doors off gertcha…

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:31 AM

    @William Tallon: are you alright? You sound like you’ve had a stroke while typing?

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    Dec 18th 2021, 3:15 AM

    @Colm O’Leary: I may very well have had a stroke but I can’t be sure! To help determine same maybe you might let me know what criteria you’re using. The deliberate omission of punctuation marks for attempted humourous purposes is so far as I know not a particularly good indicator of the occurrence of a cerebrovascular accident…

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:53 AM

    Hi this is my first comment on the journal but I’ve been a long time reader and I think the comments are the best thing about the journal.
    I also think the bits are right leaving the EU they have been I’m politics since politics began they never fully committed and they were right d,one forget however stupid or dumb you think a political party are they’ve generally been in this game a long time sometimes generations all going to school with each other and forming connections throughout life from qn early age I’m a irish man proud of it two I don’t generally like the British government but they know from experience when to leave a sinking ship.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 7:30 AM

    @John Clarke: You should read over your typed comments before posting. Numerous spelling, grammar and punctuation errors.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 11:19 AM

    What about all those Irish now living and working in the UK…what do they think?

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    Dec 18th 2021, 2:31 PM

    @indh2004: When Edna was lobbying them they seemed to be voting for Brexit too they wanted to protect their jobs from cheap imported labour

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    Dec 18th 2021, 3:28 PM

    It is hardly surprising that opinions of the UK have changed since Brexit . The list of abusive tirades and snide comments directed at this country since seems almost endless . They aren’t confined to the usual suspects in the Telegraph and Mail either . (Incidentally these are the newspapers of respectable Middle England .) The English have simply been honest about how they feel about Ireland and that has opened quite a few eyes over here .

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    Dec 18th 2021, 9:34 AM

    Let’s be fair, since and before Brexit their successive governments had done a sterling job in consistently lying to the population, blaming Europe for the failings of brexit cause they got what they wanted and at thats before their policies in relation to the pandemic. I’m stunned

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    Dec 18th 2021, 12:40 AM

    Ya what now???

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    Dec 18th 2021, 1:12 PM

    The whole lead up to Brexit did change my opinion a lot about the UK. Prior to that I had thought the UK was far better a being a multicultural society than the US is. The attitudes expressed by UK society and media showed me I had been very mistaken about that.

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    Dec 18th 2021, 3:36 PM

    They appear to have lost the plot

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    Dec 18th 2021, 1:54 AM

    How is this even possible ?

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    Dec 18th 2021, 1:33 PM

    @Brian O’ Leary: They conducted a survey and posted the results

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    Dec 18th 2021, 3:12 PM

    What a trash headline. Sure enough the gougers of society will descend on this story with glee. Never liked em anyway etc. Division is the enemy of all people

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