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Ministers say December Budgets could be a thing of the past

Brendan Howlin says bringing Ireland into line with European moves could see Budgets in October, with two months of debate.

YESTERDAY’S BUDGET could be the last in Irish history to be delivered in December, the ministers responsible for delivering it have said.

Brendan Howlin said the government was looking to address the annual habit of having to announce cost-saving measures in the run-up to Christmas, one of the most expensive times of the year.

Michael Noonan told RTÉ Radio 1 that proposals currently before the European Parliament – the so-called ‘two pack’ – would see Eurozone countries required to submit their annual budgets to Brussels to ensure they do not breach deficit guidelines.

This is a follow-on to the terms of the Fiscal Compact treaty agreed by Ireland and Eurozone countries earlier this year, which places legal limits on the size of a country’s budget deficits, relative to the size of its own economy.

The two-pack measures would mean countries would submit their draft Budgets for oversight by October, so that countries which have breached their agreements can be asked to amend them.

Noonan said the government had yet to decide on the exact impact this would have for Ireland.

Ministers were still “wondering whether to bring it in as a draft” in October, and allow two months of debate and reaction to its terms, or to bring the actual Budget process forward by two months so that the version being submitted to Europe was the final edition.

“I’m not too sure our system would sustain a draft budget announced in October, and everybody ganging up to stop it between then and December,” he said.

Howlin added that the programme for government contained a commitment to give the Dáil greater involvement in the Budget-making process, and this was something he intended to develop in the coming years.

The comments followed remarks by Pat Kenny that many of the Budget’s most difficult measures, like the property tax, had been leaked to the media in advance of the Budget so as to soften the public and blunt the impact of the government’s actions.

Noonan said it was “right to be critical” of the leaking culture, saying this was “not the way to do business”.

“As we get closer to the date, the circle of people who actually know what’s in the Budget gets very wide,” he conceded.

Read: Counting the pennies: where your tax money will go in 2013

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    Mute Billy Connelly
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:09 PM

    Im at home snuggled by the fire about to have a hot dinner brought into me whilst having a glass of wine. I feel so sad for victim’s of this trafic light debacle….:)

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    Mute Paddy Hayden
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:44 PM

    @Billy Connelly: I think that’s where the Guards are too . At least they’re aware of the issue .

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    Mute Patabake Kennedy
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:49 PM

    @Billy Connelly: I say, sitting in this traffic with all those wexford lowlifes peering at my beemer is excruciating. How uncivil of the lower class to even venture onto such an exclusive area as the outstanding N11. How uncouth.

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    Mute thenightmancometh
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:41 PM

    @Billy Connelly: Its a jake. A total jake.

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    Mute Billy Connelly
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:48 PM

    @Paddy Hayden: Their monitoring closely

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    Mute Billy Connelly
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    Oct 19th 2017, 10:33 PM

    @Patabake Kennedy: really? Im home, back in my home in Wexford having driven from Dublin 4 in my lovely Skoda. I love watching from my car window all the Audi and Beemers whilst in traffic wondering how the otherside live

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    Mute John Nolan
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:30 PM

    Have The Guards forgotten how to do traffic point duty.

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    Mute Jamie McCormack
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:56 PM

    Good point John. It’s still a part of the driving test to know your various signals.

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    Mute Jonathan Power
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    Oct 20th 2017, 12:38 AM

    @John Nolan: there still looking for Noreens phone

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    Mute Fiona deFreyne
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:08 PM

    It’s chaos in a lot of other areas as well.

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    Mute Theportobello
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:17 PM

    Is this what passes for a headline on the Journal?

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    Mute Darren Tully
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:59 PM

    @Theportobello: I think it’s more of a public service anouncement I’m thankful for reports of serious traffic delays that help me avoid them.

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    Mute j4VEpUO8
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:20 PM

    A Garda station only 20 seconds up the road. God help us!

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:13 PM

    The entire day was a ball of crap.. Also thanks to the cars that ran into each other at the Glen of the downs. Kudos for not keeping distance. 2 1/2 hour journey home

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    Mute Joseph Dempsey
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:20 PM

    Intriguing,it would be helpful if the traffic corps could spend less time tweeting and more time actually managing this mess

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    Mute Sean
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    Oct 19th 2017, 10:18 PM

    @Joseph Dempsey: maybe the tweeting unit tweets and the traffic unit does the traffic?

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    Mute David Huston
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:19 PM

    Hope some Bemer doesn’t rear end my Audi guys, Right.

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    Mute Del Bear
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:09 PM

    I just got the bus in from stillorgan to town and it was grand!

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    Mute Stephen Collard
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:09 PM

    It was a mess all day!!

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    Mute ⚡ Seánie ⚡
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:32 PM

    FFS. Doing night shift to avoid people, not get stuck in traffic with them.

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    Mute Eoin Kenny
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:15 PM

    It took me 2 hours to drive from the square Tallaght to bray an absolute nightmare.

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    Mute Nick Allen
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:22 PM

    @Eoin Kenny:

    Not surprised it took you 2 hrs if you are going from Tallaght to Bray via Donnybrook

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    Mute Eddie O'Neill
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:40 PM

    @Eoin Kenny: Any relation to that thick country vegetable, Enda Kenny? (only joking with you Eoin, it was a rough day on the roads of Dublin (and Wicklow) ).

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:08 PM

    Sandymount was the same earlier, backed up from the Merrion Gates to Ringsend. Luckily I was on two wheel…..so long suckers!

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:17 PM

    @Reg: I’d say your Ringsend is backed up from that saddle!

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    Mute Reg
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:18 PM

    Regular as clock work DJ!

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:10 PM

    Heard that there’s a powercut in Donnybrook, traffic lights out.

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    Mute Anthony Halpin
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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:13 PM

    @Anthony Halpin: …. just as he sees it in the article …

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    Oct 19th 2017, 10:58 PM

    It’s extremely dangerous when a junction that has traffic coming from four different directions is left with no signal and not a guard in sight. They’ve been aware of the situation for hours and their only response has been a tweet to avoid the area. This is actually negligent. I hope that a serious accident doesn’t happen!

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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:55 PM

    EVERY SINGLE DAY IN GALWAY. Every day

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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:16 PM

    Thousands of Guards in Dublin and we can’t get 2or3 to do point duty at one of The busiest junctions in Dublin.
    To serve and protect my arse!!!

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    Mute j4VEpUO8
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:22 PM

    @john g mcgrath: ohh they protect alright. We all know who..

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    Mute Matt Connolly
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:46 PM

    @j4VEpUO8: Did you not hear? They’re replacing the trffic corp with the Communications Corp. They’ll soon be rolling it out across the whole force. You’ll be tweeted where crime is happening so you can stay away, if you don’t and get caught up in it, it’s your own fault for putting yourself in harms way when you’ve been warned.

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    Mute Sean
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    Oct 19th 2017, 10:19 PM

    @john g mcgrath: I’m sorry but why does your arse need protecting?

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    Oct 20th 2017, 5:11 PM

    @john g mcgrath: Agree totally John. Mainly lazy thugs who don’t want to work in extreme conditions when they are needed most. After my experience with two family members being burgled….. One visit by one Garda who never checked back. Considering one family member was 80 years of age. I thought it was an absolute disgrace.

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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:14 PM

    The outage may have come from storm Brian.. because some young girl said it…

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    Mute Eddie O'Neill
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    Oct 19th 2017, 9:00 PM

    At 6ish traffic out of town was very bad today on the Donnybrook, Leeson St, Ranelagh routes, were the lights out since that time anyone know?

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    Oct 20th 2017, 7:39 AM

    I was stuck right in the middle. Was chaos. Everyone just trying to force their way through. Even some passenger, in a wife beater top, got out and tried to direct traffic. He nearly got side swiped. I called Donnybrook Garda station twice but no answer. Only 20 secs up to road but no where to be seen.

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    Mute Austin hickey
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    Oct 19th 2017, 11:27 PM

    The Garda are to busy

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    Mute Patabake Kennedy
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    Oct 20th 2017, 12:22 AM

    @Austin hickey: Yeah. scrachin your self wears these guys out all right.

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:52 PM

    shucks.. first world problems…

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    Oct 19th 2017, 8:21 PM

    That’s only the beginning. Wait until they start testing the LUAS more intensely tomorrow. Trams ruining every 3 minutes in O Connell street at 10kph.

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    Oct 20th 2017, 4:37 PM

    If there were more flyovers on existing junctions past shankhill heading towards city centre there would be no problems

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