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1982 Papers reveal changes recommended to fire service in aftermath of Stardust disaster

The government said the capital’s fire service was not adequately equipped to meet “the needs of a modern fire brigade” at the time of the tragedy.

THE STARDUST DISASTER of 1981, which 48 people were killed and 214 injured, resulted in a raft of new recommendations for the capital’s fire service, newly released state papers show.

The Department of the Environment noted in the 1982 Report to the Tribunal that the capital’s fire service was not adequately equipped to meet “the needs of a modern fire brigade”, and recommended the replacement of fire fighting equipment which it said was “generally unsatisfactory”.

The communications system used by the brigade at the time was also labelled “outdated and inefficient”, while the brigade training programme was deemed as needing improvement.

A note relating to the Dublin Fire Service Review, one year after the fire, noted several areas for potential improvement:

  • Pre-fire planning, particularly in regard to areas of high fire risk, were deemed “less than adequate”. It was noted that pre-fire planning needed to be carried out on a regular basis, especially in reference to high-occupancy buildings or places that pose a special fire risk.
  • Provision of adequate water supplies in the Dublin Port area were needed, along with pre-fire planning consultation with the Port and Docks Board and various companies along Port area. The provision of adequate equipment to deal with fires in storage areas and aboard ships was marked as needing “urgent” consideration.
  • Arrangements for dealing with dangerous substances was “imperative” – with such substances as acrylonitrile, anhyrous ammonia, and methyl acrylate.

In February of 2012, the Irish Fire and Emergency Services Association warned that improvements made since the Stardust tragedy could be negated by further cuts and lessening resources.

It claimed that three Government reports commissioned about the fire service over the past 30 years highlight improvements that are needed but that have never been implemented – and that the current system was put into place when Ireland was a very different country – largely agricultural with relatively small numbers living in towns and cities.

See National Archives, ref number 2012/90/922

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    Mute Paul Quinlan
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    Aug 12th 2015, 6:42 AM

    Getting my results in a few hours.. God help me

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    Mute Mantl Family
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    Aug 12th 2015, 6:46 AM

    Good luck!

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    Mute Dylan McDonald
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    Aug 12th 2015, 6:50 AM

    Best of luck Paul hope it goes well for you.

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    Mute Moll Rowlands
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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:08 AM

    I’m in the same boat Paul! Best of luck, I hope you’re happy with your results :)

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    Mute Afcdb10
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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:32 AM

    Best of luck to you both

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    Mute Liam Byrne
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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:05 AM

    God would have mercy…the leaving cert. won’t.

    Whatever the result Master Quinlan, you’ll eventually get to your destination. Worse case scenario, you’ll just take the scenic route.

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    Mute HRH The Brummie
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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:39 AM

    I have a bit getting her results today too. hope you all get what you want. my other girl did hers two years ago did not get enough points for Radiography, but one year of science under her belt and she got radiography in London, has year one of three done and dhe loves it. There are always options to get the courses later on in life or via another course. good luck to you all.

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    Mute Helen Ryder
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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:36 AM

    Come back to us, Paul and tell us how you got on! Good luck.

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    Mute Helen Ryder
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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:37 AM

    Hi, I am a radiographer, it is a very rewarding career. Good Luck to your other child today.

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    Mute Helen Ryder
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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:38 AM

    to HRH Brummie! my post was aimed at you :-)

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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:42 AM

    She loves it, done her placement in Kings college hospital. very busy course and she loves it, second daughter is set to follow too. great career choice alright. thanks for the tweet.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:07 AM

    @Liam – spot on – I like that; “the scenic route”. Plenty of people have taken this route with absolutely no regrets and some even stay on the scenic route. Far too much emphasis on what has been seen for too long as a “typical” route of LC, college, job.

    It’s becoming less and less typical….

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    Aug 12th 2015, 11:04 AM

    @GardaTraffic had this to say….

    “if you are are one of the 58 thousand today, good luck and just remember, the cliffs of Moher never took an exam and look how popular it is” (https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/631387189893591040)

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    Mute Siobhán Ní Fhuada
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    Aug 12th 2015, 11:15 AM

    True and it’s great craic – more fun-filled college days, more skills learned, more experiences of different areas which you will always get some benefit from, the scenic route is a great choice! I hope nobody is disheartened if they find themselves taking this path today

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    Mute Paul Quinlan
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    Aug 12th 2015, 12:26 PM

    Got what i wanted so am ecstatic to say the least! Thanks for the well wishes.

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    Mute HRH The Brummie
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    Aug 12th 2015, 12:29 PM

    the world is your oyster. it always was this only helps.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 1:56 PM

    Thanks Moll hope all went well for you! :)

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    Aug 12th 2015, 6:52 AM

    Just remember the LC is most certainly NOT a measure of your true intelligence. Points do not always equate to smarts.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:16 AM

    The irony is that those who get high results “think” they are the intelligent ones, while those who score low “know” that intelligence is measured in more ways than just academics!

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    Aug 12th 2015, 6:48 AM

    Good luck to everyone receiving their results today. I hope you all get what you hope for and if you don’t, even though you might not realise it today, it is not the end of the world. You are a hell of a lot more than what a state exam says you are.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:55 AM

    Although my daughter got great results last year, they weren’t enough for her first choice university and she spent a lot of the day in tears. In many ways it was a blessing in disguise as instead of moving to the UK, she is thoroughly enjoying her course at Trinity College, Dublin and has thrown herself into college activities and is presently in India with an educational charity. We get the benefit of having our daughter at home and we are enjoying her university career as well! There are always options – good luck to everyone today.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:36 AM

    I got my results thirty years ago and still well remember the stress of waiting for them. My sincerest well wishes to all concerned.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:03 AM

    I love my country and I’m proud of Gaeilge, but the language needs to be taken out of the category of a compulsory subject. Irish is just not used anymore, except in obvious places. There is no benefit to knowing it whatsoever.

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    Mute onlybuzzinwitcha
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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:41 AM

    I was away travelling a while back and while on the bus to another destination, I was sat next to a fellow Irishman. Me (23) and the other guy (mid 50s) were talking about the Irish language. I was going on about it being taught wrong, no use for it after school etc. and that’s why I couldn’t speak it. He said to that there is a use for it. That it was my responsibility to practice and speak my mother tongue, it’s part of our identity. That it is our duty to appreciate it as we are even lucky to still have it. To finish his point he said he regretted not being fluent in Irish and wishes he didn’t leave it so late. Maybe it was the fact that I was away for a prolonged time that made what he said impact me more. But if some lad on Dublin Bus said this to me I probably would have ignored him. Anyway, now, whenever I’m around friends or in the shops, I almost always say a bit of Irish. You get a shock reaction at first but it always ends in smiles and a chat about the language. Even if they’re another nationality I say thanks or goodbye and they know how to respond sometimes. In the case of the older generation you sometimes get to learn a phrase you never heard before and get a story or two. I encourage everyone to give it a go. it’s a bit weird at first but even if it’s just a thanks in the shops, you’d probably make that shopkeepers day (believe me when I say that, used to work in retail).

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Aug 12th 2015, 12:11 PM

    ..that’s all very well. Why you need Irish to study Mech Eng though, escapes me -or, take the posts above, Radiography – and that’s why Irish as compulsory should be abolished. It’s being used as a stick. Why not teach people to love it, instead ?

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    Aug 12th 2015, 12:31 PM

    Liam, I disagree.

    It might sound counter-intuitive, but the reason we have compulsory subjects is to give people some choices in life.

    One might say “there is no benefit whatsoever” to learning English literature – the novels, plays and poetry – but some people develop a real passion for this and go off and study it in college – a passion they might not have developed if they didn’t have to study it in school. @John Moylan – you say Irish shouldn’t be compulsory because we don’t need it for radiography? I assume you are also in favour of abolishing compulsory English literature study, since it does not help people study radiography either?

    Definitely, the average person has no use for most of the maths they learn for Leaving Cert maths….but if you want to go into a career in engineering or something like that, you need to have that maths background. So the compulsory studying of it give you more options when it comes to decision time.

    And I would say the same for Irish. Studying it for the Leaving Cert (and leaving aside the debate of how it is taught) gives people a base to work from if they want to use Irish after school. Most people don’t, but some people do. I will give myself as an example. I definitely would have dropped Irish at 15 if I had the choice, because I struggled at it. But I got a good teacher for the LC, got much better at Irish, kept learning it after school – now I am fluent and Irish will be the language I raise my children through. I wouldn’t have had that choice to the same extent if I didn’t have to keep learning it for the Leaving Certificate.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:43 AM

    Wouldn’t envy anybody opening the envelopes this morning. But if you don’t get what you want it’s not the end of the world.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:08 AM

    My son is getting his results today. Best of luck to him and everyone getting results today.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 7:35 AM

    If you didn’t do well, hard luck it’s just a memory test . It doesn’t define you…..

    If you did well, wow well done . What an amazing achievement!

    Either way In a matter of time . You will just be another full time journal troll ha

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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:10 AM

    13 years later and still having “dreams” about today. Good luck everyone ehos getting their results today, and don’t forget no matter how you do its not the end of the world. Finishing school is an achievement in itself.

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    Mute Shadowman
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    Aug 12th 2015, 8:26 AM

    The results ONLY reflect the amount of Uni places – veterinary complains they are deluged with bookworms bent on white coat science labs, not labouring over cattle? The systems a joke – don’t be overwhelmed by peer perceptions in youth; overwhelm them by your insight and adaptability to the fluidity of the big picture – flexibility and solid work get you everywhere, as does taking the thrills and spills of life in your stride.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:00 AM

    Best of luck to everyone getting their results today. Am I to understand from that article that we have better academic Russian than Irish? If I’ve read that correctly, what does that say about how our national language is being taught?

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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:13 AM

    That’s a bit simplistic – from previous years, analysis of such results show that the overwhelming majority of those who take Russian grew up with the language – this isn’t true for the irish language across the majority of the country.

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    Mute John Moylan
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    Aug 12th 2015, 12:26 PM

    …actually Tony, it tells you exactly about the state of the language: we didn’t, don’t grow up with it. That we don’t use it, that it’s not familiar, and effectively out-of-use to the majority. That’s some achievement for the years and cost of teaching it…………

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    Aug 12th 2015, 9:47 AM

    The Irish system is complicated and sometimes may not seem fair, but the most important thing for Leaving Cert class 2015 to remember is that whatever the results are, it is the way you went through, that is important. It is the knowledge and experience you gained that will help you pursue your way of life. Remember, if the results are great – congratulations, if they are not -congratulations, you have yet another opportunity to pursue your goal and creatively find a different way – this will help you grow even further. If you want to become an engineer or a doctor and found yourself with 3 points too little to study in Ireland, you can still look for options abroad, which may be a life changing experience and a blessing in disguise. E.g. you can study medicine i Poland and end up saving one year.

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    Mute Micí Ó Mhurchú
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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:29 AM

    Other options are fine, but I don’t think I will have time to find out what I need before Colleges start in September.

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    Mute Artur Banaszkiewicz
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    Aug 12th 2015, 3:12 PM

    Hurry up, you can still apply e.g. to study medicine and related disciplines in Poland with Medical Poland. E.g. Copernicus University’s Collegium Medicum in Bydgoszcz with Medical Poland run an open day this Thursday, 5pm.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:46 PM

    Over 70% of those taking honours Russian got an A1. Can that be right? should Russian not follow the same bell curve as all other languages, or are they marked easier? Just asking as it seems to give them an advantage points wise.

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    Mute Osine
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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:59 PM

    To go a little further there should be an investigation by the dept. of education as 70% getting A1 is a gross distortion of statistical possibilities.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 11:01 PM

    Even probabilities, my bad.

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    Aug 12th 2015, 10:11 AM

    “The SEC says that results this year are “broadly in line” with last year across the board.”

    This is said EVERY single year! There’s a reason why – and that reason is highlighted by the large percentage of appeals where results get upgraded.

    For any student that feels aggrieved about any particular result, they should DEFINITELY appeal.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/leaving-cert-appeals-have-18-higher-grade-rate-1.1955439

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    Mute Arran Ó Bhoilgéir
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    Aug 13th 2015, 9:51 PM

    “Nobody who sat ordinary level in Classical Studies, Italian, Physics & Chemistry, Construction Studies, and Japanese received an A1″. True, but it’s also probably true that no one sat that combination of subjects, unless you meant “Classical Studies, Italian, Physics & Chemistry, Construction Studies, OR Japanese”. Simple grammar, guys; get it right.

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