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THE MINISTER FOR Finance Michael Noonan has said the majority of Irish households have paid-for TV packages and, therefore, many would be able to pay the household charge.
Speaking in the Seanad earlier this week, Noonan said that “a lot of people have an ability to pay and we should not take the hard case as the typical case.”
He said 82 per cent of households in Ireland have paid television packages: “Most of them do not have the basic package, they also have sport and film channels,” he said. “If one considers the cost of that, the full package in many instances is close to €1,000.”
The point I am making is that a very strong case can be made about how badly off the country is but that is not true. There are people who are very badly off and there are more people badly off now than ever before but there is a whole generality of people who are paying their way. I am only using what people pay for a television product in their homes as an example and this measure is an awful lot less.
Many people will pay less in property tax than they will pay for a television licence. The charges are quite modest and they will be spread across 1.9 million household units and that allows us to keep the rates down.
However, Noonan did recognised that some people in there country are “very badly off”:
“For single people on an income below €15,000 and for a couple with an income below €25,000, there will be a deferral. Those who are badly off because they are paying huge mortgages can add €20,000 interest on to the top of that income for a couple and still get deferrals.”
He described the deferral system as “good”, explaining: “If one has to pay €300 a year and one defers that for ten years, that is only €3,000 on the value of the house plus 4 per cent interest, which would probably bring it up to some hundreds of euro beyond that. The deferral system is not a big penalty on the value of the house and it is there for persons who have an inability to pay.”
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“Out of touch” doesn’t do it justice.
He is right though, isn’t he. If your short of cash and you are getting a Sky Package with all the trimmings then it is hard for people to fell sorry for you. TV Packages are a luxury, not a necessity.
It would be more in your line to put that 800 in to a savings account. You have to be on good money to justify it.
you should pay your household charge before you watch tv, or have a pint, or talk to a friend, or go for a walk, in fact, no one should be allowed to have any leisure activities at all untill its paid up, it doesnt matter that you will have to sacrafice the only thing keeping you from a life of soul-crushing boredom, ze germans need to be paid!
Yeah, Internet and sky are luxuries in my opinion.
You can’t claim to be poor if you have these things. You can claim to be broke all the time, but not poor. Poor is having to send your kids to school hungry.
point well made manonthestreet, i think the fear is the distance from poverty, people panic when they dont have a small sum to call on in case of emergency, the difference between actual poverty and almost poverty is very small and very stressful
He IS right…….
so does that mean that as I can’t afford a TV package and therefore do not have one, I don’t have to pay the household charge?
Do you really think that there are many people out there who have premium sky packages out there who have trouble paying their bills?
I’m sure there are some, but I think most people who are struggling to get by, kicked out sky movies and sports and those who simply can’t pay anymore swapped to free view.
Yet another miserable remark by a man who’s overpaid fat arse doesn’t get the reality. It explains the attitude of this government, it explains why they refuse to help those in desperate circumstances, it explains why they keep on burden the wrong people: they just don’t get it.
@ManOnTheStreet, whilst an arguement could be made that subscription based TV packages such as sky movies etc is a luxury.
The same cannot be said of the internet as it has become / is becoming the primary means of communication and interaction for many services and everyday activities.
this is being recognised by the UN and many international bodies and some countries such as Finland, have made internet access a basic human right (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10461048)
A decent internet connection is far from a luxury, any child growing up without it is going to have a lot of catching up to do so as to compete in the jobs market in the coming decades.
Internet is a necessity for a lot of people nowadays, more so than a house phone.
However you can no way define your self as stuck for cash in any shape or form if you have sky package. You are rightly lumped in as surviving the recession quiet nicely.
What ever the wrongs about using the household charge money etc to bail out failed banks and repay money that should not be repaid. If you have a Sky Package your on the pigs back either way.
I do agree with you conor, but you won’t see many genuinely poor people with Internet access.
I know in my case, if it came to down to it, the sky would go first, followed by my Internet subscription.
Lucky people like you aren’t in government. Being facetious like that undermines your whole argument. Instead of suggesting we forego every luxury in life, minister noonan is suggesting that people who can afford premium tv packages can afford to pay a property tax. To suggest otherwise is nonsense. I won’t be happy, while i and others pay our way, seeing people claiming inability to pay as they lie on their couch admiring Wayne Rooney’s latest scoring spree.
He should resign just for saying that. Maybe Noonan should do without the few luxuries in life. His comments just show what I have said all along. The governmental muppets are disconnected from the man and woman on the street.
They would never come on my show because I won’t buy into the whole ” only ask me this question and don’t ask me that ” mentality that’s going on for years.
It might sound like I’m banging a silent drum but people need to see through these muppets who are kept in the lap of luxury by the tax payers of this country.
There is a mentality by politicians that we must pay for having a good time 4 years ago as if there is something incredibly wrong with having a good time or nice lifestyle.
He’s a liar and that’s a matter of record as he promised this country ” we can not tax our way out of a recession ” before he was voted in. We lied to by a bunch of Morans who don’t give a f#%k about the people and their only interest is preserving themselves, their jobs and pensions.
I’m aware or many families who claim to have no money to spend on school books and copies, yet sky tv in more than one room in the house, is available.
@brian i would rather have to hunt for food and grow my own vegetables then pay one cent towards the biggest heist in history, i will never work again in this country until the people Repudiate The Debt, if you are agreeable to continue paying then more fool you
It’s you who’s disconnected I’m afraid. Take a look at the stats and you’ll see how many people have sky an whatever other tv packages are out there. Now go back to sleep!
He would only be right if he planned to include your ability to pay for a Sky package etc as part of the criteria around assessing your eligiblity to pay the household charge, but he ain’t doing that! Noonan is making wide sweeping generalisations. What about households that can’t afford to pay SKY are they going to be exempt from the tax? As other people have already pointed out, people who have SKY pay for a particular service. Will this contract provide us with a detailed list of the exact services that each and every homeowner will receive on foot of their payment of the household charge – will it heckers like?
That isn’t true at all. I come from a background where I am lucky enough to be considered “well off”. For many years we didn’t have any form of sky or anything similar. A large number of my friends would have had sky, and many of them would have been in the category where it was a struggle to meet all the bills. It’s important to realise that different people prioritise things differently.
If you want to think selfishly go ahead, but we are where we are and by contributing what I’m asked to, I’m thinking not of myself but the thousands of children who won’t have a chance in life unless we pull together and try and work our way out of this mess…something you’ve confessed you won’t be doing.
I have TWO pairs of jeans.
I shall wear them both tomorrow!
Sky sports is a leisure activity? The only thing preventing boredom? Philistine.
Poor Tarquin.
Then please emigrate instead of being a leach on other tax payers. Your happy to be involved in the heist. You strike me as just being lazy and overly opinionated.
Happy Christmas to you too Mr Noonan.
This is a low dig at the victims of your government and its highly protected corrupt/criminal elites.
How low will this man go?
At this stage,I would not be surprised if he started examining people’s garbage and sewerage for evidence of perceived luxuries.
Wouldn’t Hatchet man Phil just love that dirty job.
Disgusting!
The game is up Noonan.
Your government run scam has been exposed.
“When more of the people’s sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of a free government.”
Grover Cleveland
Yeah and if the government and bankers had done there job properly there would be know need for this tax and all the other austerity measures we are all suffering because of their incompetence. With some families it’s the only entertainment they have as they can’t afford to go out anymore. Next he will be saying that home heating is a luxury and we should all sit around the toaster to keep warm so we can pay for their over inflated wages
Hello Mr Noonan.
How did you get on at your Bilderberg meeting this year?
What was on the menu this year?
Forced depopulation, debt slavery and blame for the innocent masses
and handsome rewards and government protection for the corrupt criminal elites?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_participants
Stating what minor luxuries people may have is not a means to justify this tax . It’s wrong , and he has no business saying this ! Wake up .
This has to be the most badly thought out statement to come from his mouth. How much money I taxes are received through sky subscriptions in ireland ? How many jobs are secured by Sky and its sub contractors I ireland ?
What is he thinking of making statements like that. Why did he not mention UPC or RTE license fee ? On top of all that, I hope Murdock sues his ass for potential loss of earnings. This Irish government have singled out Sky in these remarks and I truly hope their lawyer is writing as we speak. Might teach him to shut his mouth when he looks down on people less well off then himself.
I wonder what TV package Mr Noonan has ??
My ‘high-end’ Sky TV package is my only luxury in life. I don’t smoke or drink, I have 2 small children and I don’t ever go out on the town. 99% of our meals are made at home and I can’t remember I went shopping for clothes or shoes for myself. My car is a 98 that has not seen more than half a tank of petrol for years.
Politicians give me the shits with their sanctimonious drivel.
Spot on James
Good points mate
You’re not alone, James. Don’t ever forget that. Happy Christmas to you & all in the same boat.
James you say it as it is I do not have Sky my children have grown up and two of the four have moved abroad to work and now my home is going to be taxed to fund services in my county.Where did it all go wrong.
You see Michael, when I give money to to these companies, they give me something in return. That’s what you don’t seem to pick up on.
And what services do we lose if we don’t pay?
It’s Christmas David, tone down the FG arselicking please.
Regards,
Diarmuid
Eh we’re paying private companies already for the services Davy boy. Councils were funded through the taxes we paid in years gone by. Now all of a sudden they tell us we have to pay taxes to fund councils. So we pay for the services twice and get no services.
Well, you get roads, street lights, sewage systems, traffic lights, grass in public areas is cut to name but just a tiny part of the basic infrastructure that you take for granted, if you don’t want to pay for these things i suggest you s*** into a bucket and bring it to the sewage plant yourself, try doing that without going onto public property, if you try to go through my property there will be a €50 charge, welcome to the real world you spoilt child
Agreed and if you don’t like what they give you, you can at least stop paying
Well said Diarmuid…
Diarmuid, Davids comment can be taken two ways?
You can say the same about any tax, though, can’t you?
Hey Robert, you are missing a lot of what is going on here, aren’t you. Get a feel for what most people are feeling, their circumstances and that feckers petty analogy taken in isolation and from his glass mansion.
Why should the sick, poor, old, young and disability pay for the debts of bankers, builders ,developers, bondholders and corrupt politicians ????
Michael Noonan passes a law to pay the politicians and higher civil servants hundreds and thousands of euro every year at the tax payers expences.
And someone on over 100k can do without expenses !
If Noonan and Co.had not turned down 2.8 billion that was on offer from Quinn and who knows what else, he would not have to burden us with a property tax. Everybody understands that money has to come from someplace but when billions are being wasted, it makes it very difficult to accept austerity.
Rusty, Where would the quinns have got 2.8 billion?
@rusty9. Thats like the Gambler saying, If you give me 100euro I can win it all back……………
Stephen, the Quinn Proposal committed to pay 2.8 billion over 7 years. That wouldnot have been a problem as Quinn Insurance had its best quarter ever in Jan-Mar 2010 and crucially, if all the money was not paid at the end of seven years, the State would have the money that was already paid PLUS all the Quinn companies. Compare that with the current strategy that will never see the return of one cent and will instead cost us billions. It was a win win situation for everyone but the powers that be decided that it was more important to “take out” Quinn and to hell with the taxpayers/Citizens/policy holders.
Rusty, No more sherry for you!
lets look at the big picture here Quinns being hounded for the money that they owe and rightly so but when it comes to Ernst a Young they wait five years to bring proceedings and still hand very handsome contracts to these individuals.
I’m also able to take a punch in the face, doesn’t mean I should be agreeable to receiving one though!
LOL spot on Paul
None of us like taxes – but someone’s gotta pay – who do you propose pays?
The bondholders for a flocking change!!! There’s flocking nothing bloody left!!!!!!!!!!! Empty pockets and fluff
Eugene just a question what exactly are we paying for?
“Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society”
– Oliver Wendell Holmes
sorry to single you out Eugene…..but due to media/political brainwashing,some people in this Country believe that theres no other option but for us, the public, to pay. Don’t forget this is PRIVATE BANKING DEBT, NOT PUBLIC DEBT….if the banks didn’t f-up, there’s enough revenue/tax to keep running our Country without new charges. I propose that the banks take the hit, like in Iceland, who are now back to successful growth
I’ve had freesat and Saorview for two years. Now piss off Noonan you disgust me (full name and address available to that other A-hole Bilderberg Bruton on request)
Paying for tv packages gets you entertainment.
Paying for the household charge gives you nothing in return but a headache and less money in your pocket.
Lets not forget we first have to pay a TV licence fee before we can even think about a sky package. In other European countries like France your TV licence and bin collection are included in your property tax, not like here where we won’t get anything for paying property tax
He’s on €3615 a week and he has the f*ckin cheek to say people should struggle that little but more for Germany
What a f….ing glib comment to make. They would like people to be sitting in a cold house eating beans and staring at the walls to pay for the monumental balls up that were made by them and the previous shower that were in charge. These politicians disgust me…. they are so good at imposing hardships on others yet they have the likes of Phil Hogan snuggling up to some young assistant with a glass of wine while the taxpayers are screwed for his expenses. GTFO.
Well Said Colum.
Well Said!
Of course people that can afford to pay it if they have high end tv packages, but he is also forcing people who can’t afford to feed themselves to pay it too.
The issue is not just ability to pay, the issue is whether or not we should have to pay twice for the same thing while the government stweals the taxes we have already paid to hand to bondholders.
Piss off Noonan and have a happy Christmas!
The major point also is what do people get for this government imposed fee. Is it purely a tax in which case how will the payees benefit as regards civic service and amenities or is just to be for helping the Govt dig itself out of the hole of debt.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly. For a lot of people TV packages are a necessity (imagine being unemployed), but at least your getting something for it. He’s making a bad, poorly advised and out of touch point… Next year when they put it up again, it wouldn’t be surprising if he says anyone who can afford more than porridge twice a day can afford it.
You’re a fool. Suggesting that someone unemployed deserves the privilege of a tv package for dear of boredom. Tell that to my family who couldn’t afford a tv their whole life, or countless other families who go without the same in an attempt to keep them afloat. People deserve an education, proper healthcare, sustenance but not sky tv.
My father lives on the state OAP and “the privilege of a TV package” is quite important to him and countless other people with low incomes who do not work. I’ve always wondered about the pompous arrogance of people who directly insult other people online for their opinions, there’s no need for it.
Dead right Declan.
Noonan and his inept government are trying to give this farcical “tax”, false relevance and priority over other outgoings in people’s households.
When all it really is, is an unlawful, government ran scam that pays for the gambling debts of the people (who are essentially criminals) who destroyed our country.
Just admit it Noonan.
It’s amazing how people try to justify things so they seem OK. Most people will be able to afford to pay, the point is we are only paying to keep you and yours on the gravy train. Ill be voting for the first party that gets rid of this tax no matter who they are.
He raises a valid point that cannot be denied.
Member of young fine gael thinks fine gael minister makes valid point.
Jaysus, didn’t see that one coming…..
If we follow that train of thought through Kevin..it’ll be if old people can afford the bus fare to hospital, why should they have a medical card. It’s this governments warped sense of justice prevailing.
Same as minesters exorbitantly high salaries they can afford a comfortable working environment so they can get RID OF ALL EXPENSES!! Lets look at the dirt before the brush shall we. Tw@
What next. People who have a 2006 reg car can afford it too, as they can downgrade to a 2000 model and then pay the property tax.
You’ve completely misinterpreted noonan’s comments. Comparing a medical card with a luxury tv package…stick to the tv – Harder to misinterpret those soaps.
If I had a Sky package I would know what I was getting and I can request a breakdown of my account and what I would be paying for, So when detailed accounts are available from this Government then maybe they can tell me what to do with my money, Or is a way of telling us we don’t have to pay the TV license anymore if we use Sky?!?!
@brian ose
still a muppet i see
i hope lads like you stay away
hurler on the ditch if ever i met one
Mr Noonan I have Sky simply because RTE have not supplied me with a service for the past 15 years, unless you consider watching snow on tv a service. I still pay a licence fee every year. so mr Noonan if you think I’m gonna pay you lot another couple of hundred a year for property tax and receive no service for that either, I suggest you think again.
Spot on Tony.
This reeks of let them eat cake (or Pizza) , from the comfort of the Dail bar in their Ivory Tower.
Proves just how out of touch they really are, with their people.
I expect that these Manure Based Statements from Noonan and his government will only encourage people to refuse to pay the T.V. licence fee aswell.
And I really hope that it does.
This Government is nothing more than a banker’s puppet!
Thought it was only 1.6 million homes that were liable to register for the household charge.Now its 1.9 million.Where did the extra 300k come out of?
Excellent point. The government insisted there are 1.6 m houses so they could say a higher percentage paid despite the anti household charge campaign claiming correctly that the percentages were much lower. The underhand sneakiness just shows them for what they are.
I cancelled my broadband subscription as it was a luxury…… Now I can’t log on to paid the household charge…. Ah we’ll ;-)
How’d you get to this then site Tony!
Which gets me thinking, what’s the chance Phil Hogan hits us with an IP address tax next budget.
Yup everyone has another 300-700 euro to fork out. And will have another 300 euro for the water and loose those of us with 4 kids loose another 400 euro and another e300 in paid health cover (ooops I cancelled by VHI for the 6 of us – couldn’t afford it) and lets not mention all the rises that will kick in because of the above.
Ya looney Nooney! That is the most pathetic petty bit of loon economics from you. You going to give up your e1000 tv package. You don’t have to as u can afford the tax. I don’t have sky movies or sports but Do I want my kids to enjoy their telly. They will – ya loon.
No go away and stuff your face – again!
There is an overall collective feeling of revulsion here and everyone is correct . This govt. should be forced to give up half their salaries and expenses. Maybe spend some time helping at the soup kitchens or helping the Vincent De Paul out. Im sorry to say it but I wish every one of them sheep in Fine Gael and Labour a terrible Christmas. To everyone else Happy Christmas !
This man is an arrogant overpaid clown..how dare you tell my mother that the small luxury of watching TV in her old age is something she and thousands like her don’t deserve as they should be paying money to overpaid international bankers via your f*****g household charge…how dare you buffoon…you try living on an ordinary pension…..this governments activities are nothing more than double and triple taxation disguised as something else…and for all of you lot who agree with this fool grow some between your legs…you’re being robbed senseless by these elected criminals
Does your mother pay €1000 a year for her tv package? That’s who he’s talking about.
how many payments does Michael have he wont have to worry about high end t,v.. also Phil looked good with the girl sitting by his side and the rest of us paying for it.
You lot in government give up your expenses and reduce your disgustingly high wages and then we wont mind paying. Until then f**k off
Does anyone remember the hep c case when he was minister of health this guy lives in lala land
Will never forget it. How did this man ever get back into politics Again
“You pesky commoners, you are paupers now, remember?? Your sole purpose in life now, is to service the massive payments we make to your betters, the bankers and unsecured bondholders. Who do you think you are with your Sky, central heating and fresh food? Huddle in your tiny negatively equitated hovels around a radio, wrapped in blankets eating Aldi beans on mouldy bread. The mould is nutricious. James Reilly will back me up on that one.”
who do these low paid and welfare classes think they are? complaining because they cant afford to pay, sure arent they lucky they dont have to pay for water…
Another politician out of touch and from one who should know better!!
Ooh Noonan strong words there! I can’t remember the last time I heard a politician talk so bluntly!
If people are to sacrifice their sky packages etc will this household tax go on local services such as schools, local council and refuse collection, or will it be centralised and used to pay off the bond holders? If its the latter I think I sky tv package is a better investment
We all pay that mans wages & he comes out with this crap. I’d like to cut his Sky package & put him on minimum wage.
I’d like to cut a good deal more than his Sky package!. His excessive, outrageous salary and his sick-making insulting expenses which we the overburdened taxpayers have to fund. He has some brass neck to come out with a moronic statement like this on Christmas. Happy Christmas, Mr Noonan – not!
And a very Happy Christmas to all at the Journal and all the readers and posters.
Marc Anthony Powwer, hear hear!
Marc Anthony Power. Spelled your name wrong. Sorry.
If he wants to return the stamp duty then he can tax my property until then he can f**k off
I agree Ian. The 13,000 I paid in stamp duty should cover my property tax for 35 yrs or more but no such luck. Fine Gael & Labour should be ashamed of what they are asking us… oh & I have the basic sky package.
He is right. I am no lover if taxes- but we all have to pay our share. There are plenty of people claiming they can’t pay, but think its perfectly normal to buy a new telly or smoke 20 cigs a day or go for a shed load of pints every week or get sky sports etc on the telly as noonan says … In most cases this is only going to cost 2/3 quid a week over a year. Those that genuinely can’t pay can defer till they can
Feck off troika apologist. What do we get for it? There’s a management agent who gets roughly €2,000 a year to light the common areas, clean the streets, do the shrubberies and gardens, take care of the rubbish and all that where I live. What are the city council planning to do for their money? €2k is too much but at least they produce itemised accounts to justify it. As for rural dwellers, they’re living in cheaper homes so lower taxes but get absolutely no services from local authorities.
Pints and Cigarettes are 90% tax so drink up and smoke up ;-)
We already pay taxes for the services they are tying to double and treble tax us for…what’s wrong with you?
I’m not sure that is true. Does the management agent provide the mains sewerage system your development is connected to? Or the mains water? In addition, it isn’t true to assert that people loving in rural areas do not receive services from local authorities. True, many of them have septic tanks, and are members of group water schemes, but they are still provided with services such as the library service and others.
No, water is about to be metred and charged, so again we’re going to be paying for that service separately.
Every other service apart from the library is pay per use.
Indeed it is, but the charges are only going to be a portion of the costs of providing the service.
So let’s all chip in for the street lighting and street cleaning in established areas of our towns and cities. The rest of us who live either in countryside areas with no services, or in managed developments that pay private companies to provide these services won’t mind helping them out, we’re all in this together aren’t we
Ultan please tell me what services you are talking about?
I’ll accept this sort of drivel when I see government ministers make one meaningful sacrifice of their own. Under the present circumstances I’ll forgive a person a sky sports package long before I’ll forgive them an exorbitant wage coupled with extravagant expenses.
Get more bang for my money with a sky package than this household charge.
I’d consider my tv package good value for money,could n ‘t say the same for my local services.
In fairness he has a point.
But what is his point, We should not have anything beyond our basic needs catered for before we pay higher taxes for absolutely nothing in return .. most of these taxes are going to bail out people who threw money away on a lot more than a bloody tv package..
No, his point is that anyone who can afford to pay €1000 per year for their television service could potentially scrap that service and therefore afford the charge. Property tax aside, imagine what €1000 a year could do for the quality of life of a child in such a household. I don’t think it is realistic to claim he is suggesting that we give up everything but basic necessities. It is perfectly possible to have much more than the basic necessities, and still not have sky.
Which is ? Please .
The arrogance of these effing hacks from fg telling me what I can or can not have . I do not smoke , I do not drink , I do not go out, I watch tv . I enjoy the types of programs that are shown on SKY , because I sure as hell do not watch the garbage that rte dole out . So Mr Noonan , I will pay for the TV package I enjoy and receive .
A village is missing its idiot middle aged balding and extremely stupid . Approach with caution .
So if you have a basic package do you not have to pay. Yea thought so. :(
We didn’t cause this mess and we are constantly told to pay up more and more regardless and while we’re bending over for these muppets they whisper and snide between the classes, I’m sick of this shit, if they start nit-picking at the small things for the sake of a few quid and keep the Germans happy then they truly are not a government of the irish people, impostors and stewards of the republic of Germany, merry Christmas ya filthy animal, and happy new year
Minister you are clueless , most international data would show mature countries allow for such tv packages as it has been proven cheaper than going to watch football in a pub or going to cinema. All that aside you and the banks have never engaged in a proper affordability debate as to what households can afford verses paying debt. Bring on this debate!
What’s next, they can afford to eat meat so they can pay even more.
More under hand snideness from Fine Gael. Doing their utmost to divide people. The half that have not paid the household tax are doing so in protest. So what if someone wants to watch pay per view sports.
Anyway Happy Christmas . Enjoy everything you have worked for, be it smokes a few drinks or God forbid enjoy the darts and football laid on by Sky TV.
Tin opener for this one and the worms are ready…..
The people of this country voted for these clowns and continue to allow them to run the country into the ground. If we want things to change we have the power in numbers to bring this about. All we have to do is to stop consenting to this madness. Take to the streets peacefully and refuse to move until there’s change. They rule by our consent!
Solution – €1000 tax on sky sports >_>
And a lot of us got rid of it, do they not want us to have a lifestyle at all, don’t drink, don’t smoke and don’t socialise so f… off Mr. Noonan
Between driving to and from work each day i’m gone from my house (which I can’t afford to pay for) 65 hours a week,I live in a tiny village where I can’t receive the cheaper upc package due to no signal so I have to pay for sky basic package, because i’m living on a ghost estate my children have no friends of their own age to play with so I got multi room into the spare room for them,I haven’t had a can of beer in 3 years this coming February,I don’t smoke, there’s no takeaways within 7 miles of me so we don’t spend our money on takeaways we both list our jobs in 2008 I was lucky to get a job of which I have a 3 hr round trip to get to every day for very basic money (25k per year) my point being that my basic sky package and internet connection are my only treats in life for being lucky enough to be in full time employment, and no I won’t be giving it up, you can take my very overpriced house from me first.
Protected species…..
What a fu@kin a-hole! We can also (just about) afford to buy food, perhaps we should give that up too in order to pay this ridiculous tax.
Journal.ie : will u guys do an article working out the average family gross income, take all the taxes out to get to the Net take home pay. Then work out average family overheads, food, power, petrol, heating oil, clothing, a few pints/bottle of wine (and for those who smoke their habits taxation) etc and calculate the amount of additional taxes were paying (VAT, duty, VRT etc.). Add to that house hold charges, septic tank, bins, water rates, DIRT on the paultry amount you’d have left to put into a savings account.
It would be very interesting to see what percentage of your gross income is actual tax ?
I can afford Sky TV = I can pay the household charge?
I can’t afford to pay nurses, teachers etc = I cant afford pay the bank bailout?
Wait, what?
Don`t we like the bankers have the right to live the life we are acustomed?After all who was it that said we have to pay the bankers 500k a year,because they should live the life they are acustomed…O yea id like to find out as well; what this money(the house tax) will be used for, as the U.S.C. is paying for the upkeep of parks etc…How is this new tax going to make anyone want to buy a house??
With Sky i know what im paying for(t.v good or bad)…does this household tax mean i can call someone to fix something in the house if it breaks FOR FREE?! We pay for the BINS,is ths not a servie???(U.S.C. covers services!?)Will we still have to pay for the water,or is this a service too??Who`s paying for the TDs ipads??CAN I get 60 euro a day as well a a weekly wage for going in to work,what about travel money,etc..
easy for him to tell us to give up our Sky to pay the household charge, on his wage.
Ah ye Noonan “That’s only €3000 on the value of the house” is that all? Jaysus sure we all hav that lying around!
At least when I pay for my tv package I have something to show for my money!
Good to hear straight talk in spite of recent fatal witch hunt. Straight talk, calling good and evil by name brought down Polish dictatorship Example. VHI is still cheaper than a smoking habit
a great mind at work.he should watch sky news he might come back to reality
Michael Noonan is one hell of cheeky man asking me to pay a houshold charge for my own house and that corrupt TV licence.
The bully boy is at it again,I tell you what remove all these political programmes and leaders questions off the tv and lets enjoy the sky tv even better what a cheek he has.
Is Noonan really trying to piss off everybody?
Does this fool not want to be elected again?
I cant believe he is not savvy enough to realise that these sort of statements are not good politics – rubbing salt in the wounds does not endear you to anybody.
Its no bloody wonder this fool couldnt get voted in without Fine Fail completely imploding
His observation is irrelevant and one that is antagonizing.
This type of remark drives it home that some of our politicians are not fit to govern this country.
If I can afford as the minister puts it ” a tv package costing a 1000 Euro per year” then I certainly don’t want to be told that I am also in a position to bail out other people who have caused this financial calamity.
From a psychological aspect this comment smacks of utter incompetence.
They want to bleed everyone dry, They want us to be as miserable as possible. Noonon is taking a leaf out of one of those trokia lads books with that talk.
I read somewhere that the one of the trokia lads were commenting that the pubs are always very busy when they are in town, and that if we have spare money to spend socially the government can tap into it.
Look noonan and Co are just stooges for the trokia, he is doing what he is told, any country the IMF have gone into ends up a disaster for the average joe.
The one definite that we can’t afford are high end, high maintenance politicans. Unfortunately we don’t seem to have any choice with regard to this item of expense. New political party package please!
with the wages u and your political brothers and sisters cheat from the tax payer, big pay-offs and bigger pensions for ruining the country and the audasity to think it is your god given right to it., who paid for phil hogan,s flusie bit on the side sorry media consultant to get down and dirty in middle east. not phil hogan for sure. why did the government not go after the last government for treason. if ireland was a private company the government would have been in mountjoy prison. why did the government not stop the big debt owners from goin bankrupt in britain. a crowd of waisters, o i forgot they donate to the political parties
Out of touch isn’t the word, the way they are going we won’t be allowed any enjoyment in life. We will be bled dry and on bread and water so the old boys club can be bailed out.
Also Nick Moonan is looking at sending agents to churches, to see how much people are putting in collections, cinemas to see who can afford popcorn , pub toilets see who can afford to use condom vending machines and pay to use toilets. Betting offices and bars are exempt cos politicians frequent same
Another quality assessment of the country’s financial state and our ability to bail out the bank. Which I may add we are the only country fully required to do so as our bank debt is our sovereign debt. While we are busy slagging each other off for who can afford what don’t forget if you earn a decent wage and have a good job it probably cost you a small fortune to get your qualifications to reach this point. Then u get hit with Paye. USC. Bin tax stamp duty property tax (same thing only doubled up). If you want to build and extension you pay upwards of 150 euro per sq mtr again to the local authority before u pay a cent to a builder. Water next. Tax on your car. Road tax. Parking tax. Petrol tax. Tv tax. They will just keep lobbing it on as long as we keep fighting each other instead if together.
Its safe to say that his career will come to a quick end along with enda, reilly and vladkar. But i think that we will do what we do best and replace them with the next biggest bunch of crooks, cue FF.
People have no right coming on to forums like this and lambasting our dear politicians! They get high wages because they and their party cheerleaders know more than us common people and we should just roll over and pay our taxes so that our great leaders will look good in the eyes of their euro chums and bankers!
oi Noonan, sky didn’t charge me 20 grand installation fee, over my dead body will I pay
Summed up nicely!
When is all this going to stop…… As we the people voted for these fools shouldn’t we have a say in how much they get paid…… This government is in dream land…… We need a government that will put the country and its people first and forget Europe and there ways…. The euro currency is also a joke we had more value for money with the punt…… Also with the bond holders it feels like this country is being held like someone with a gun to their head being demanded for money……. When and will it ever stop????
I am too angry to reply with an appropriate comment , to relate to such an ignorant statement would be wrong. get them out is all I say , no more of being talked down to by exteachers playing political lords.
Household Tax is the beginning folks. It’s modest now but wait 5 yrs down the road it will be over 500 euro or more for a house and in the meantime new taxes appearing everyday plus water charges.
The average joe on the street is not aware of the extra stealth taxes being imposed on a daily basis and this goes to erode the wealth of people which makes them controllable.
What is great is how peeved off they are ,about not geting they’re way. They say that the majority has paid but I don’t believe that for a moment.
Conspiracy. The main reason the tax is being brought in is to help balance the books. Water Charges were a given, as they are in place across Europe, and were in the political agenda in the election.
Not sure how wealth makes one more controllable than someone less well off.
Does his comment also suggest that if people are on social welfare/ or in local authority housing (neither of whom will have to pay)they can’t have Sky either
It open up a new debate.
God doesn’t Noonan sound like a nagging pompous school teacher. Oh wait!
Eat a dick, Phil.
Choke on it would be a better option!
Now if only he approached his negotiations for a debt-writedown with the same gusto!!!!
What a prize plonker!
And they wonder why TDs get abused on social media? it’s obvious Noonan intends to retire before the next election. No problem paying for sky sports on his free pension
Spot on Ciaran.
There far more abuse being thrown at millions of innocent people/victims from these wasters in their Ivory Dail these days.
Let them eat Pizza Noonan.
Let them eat Pizza.
How about certain people who be in social housing and there 47″ tv and there movies and sports, they won’t be paying it !!!
Sky, even though run by an odious individual, provide a service for a set fee. This cannot be said for any part of our public service, all arms off which seem to be a bottomless money pit. The finances of all these public departments are in the control of Michael Noonan, a man paid an inordinate ammount of money to take no responsibilty to run the finances of the country ‘the troika made me do it’ is the reflex response. Mr. Murdoch may be odious but at least he has a back bone, also when he gets his subscription the results of the monies received can be seen. The monies given to Mr. Noonan will vanish in to the euro ether along with all other monies generated by the taxpayer for decades to come, because our spineless so called leadership would sooner placate German banks than serve the people that pay their wages.
Murdochs legal team might already be drawing the summons on government directly affecting revenue stream……..
Noonan was probably quaffing champagne with a Murdoch at Bilderberg 2012 whilst deciding the destiny for the minions.
He has some cheek! How about we all remove the tv set from our homes, and use the rediculous fee of €170 to put towards the disgraceful property tax. One less propaganda tool for our great government. Loss of all advertising revenue would end rte. and we would be spared the drivel they ram down our throats! The gov should start respecting those who Voted them into power and the real people who keep the economy going. But we’re just €s to them.
Nice dig to the people who haven’t paid the house hold charge, he’s 100% right but does it mean if you haven’t all the sky channels and the Internet in your home will you not have to pay the house hold charge as well???
I work and on paper earn a decent wage, however by the time I pay, mortgage, esb, oil, home insurance, life insurance, car tax, car insurance, nct, petrol, parking, management fee(con) and the plethora of other ‘living’ expenses I’ve sweet FA left. Now ive to come up with a stealth property tax? Bite me!!!!
The minister makes a very good point. let those who genuinely can’t afford to pay it off through the waiver system. everyone else should pay up. And forget the bank debt bullshit. We are where we are and everybody needs to contribute. Many here wondered what it would take this last year to get people off their arses and onto the streets. Turned out to be the euro on the bottle of wine where thousands mobilised into the stores spending hundreds of thousands on alcohol that Wednesday night…
You must be on drugs! Go away because nobody wants to hear your opinion.
I guess the say a leopard never changes it spots, he was terrible the last time he was in power, was so out touch with people. Then again what politician is ever in touch with the people. Nothing like fixing the problem with a jack hammer, when a simple hammer is all that is needed.
Couldn’t agree more.
Merry Christmas to all our politicians . I hope you think about of. All the people who won’t have heat or lavish dinners . And the countless people on trolleys in our hospitals . This holiday . Not that you . Give i SHITE . Again happy and last Christmas in power yours faithfully. tom. Fox
its not only about affording it or not its an unfair tax !! what exactly does it pay for ? amenities ? street lighting ? what does the usc pay for ????? you are one ignorant pompous pig noonan
“The petty economies of the rich are just as amazing as the silly extravagances of the poor.” – William Feather
Here’s an interesting quote after the collapse of the federal banks in the US in the 1920s. I smell déjà vu ….
“We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the money vultures who control it. A superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.” – Louis McFadden, D-PA
First sensible statement from a politician in a long time, now that I think of it, why not look at dole, right to free legal aid etc, with regards to ability to spend on luxury goods and services.
He reminds me Of, Gollum in The Lord of the Rings! A dangerous evil, so and so!
when he speaks all I hear is the Hail Mary coming out of his mouth…..
Well if that’s the case why can’t them lot of dopes pay more tax and get paid minimum wage for their work. There’s alot of why nots doesn’t make them right!!!
People’s refusal to pay is more to do with where the money is going
To gathering your money- over the past decade through social warfare payment increased beyond the point of reasonable. People are paid more to do less. There are people or families known by the majority of citizens who have never worked a shift. Fix the system idiots. That’s for the idiots in place.
I know what you are saying Don, but when our fine “leaders and protectors” corruptly, carry on like lazy, corrupt idiot, dictators, and get away with it, what do you really expect their public/victims to do?
People must be led by good example and not corrupt thievery.
So he says if you can afford a sky package you can afford the household charge…ok then, hold on while I tap my neighbour on social housing for my charge….
Yeah minister if I was on the money your on maybe or but here’s an idea ” why don’t ya just crawl back under that rock ya came from”
Lets just have no fun until its paid. That should do it?
Having read the comments since my post I can clearly see the govt. the eu. The IMF. The troica have achieved the almost impossible by turning opinion against people who have and people who have not. It’s only 70-80 years since this last happened and unfortunately the outcome will be the same but the end result will be far far worse. The time of if it does not affect me it won’t affect me has well since sailed. If people finally accept that the real reason we are here is because the few ( wealthy. Very very wealthy) would rather see a catastrophic failure than give up what they are (owed) with the slim possibility that what they are owed will be payed. It will not. It can’t. We are on the verge of another bailout. Greece can’t and will never pay back what they (owe) but we think it acceptable that so many people (o a ps) be made homeless to probe that there govt were sub- standard is cruel. This will happen here Spain Italy and Portugal until we are so deep we can see no way out. But hey. Lets keep arguing with each other over who can afford sky. Food. Cars. Heat. Clothes. Oh and yes. A house. The most basic of human rights. The right to exist. In poverty or wealth.
Noonan is right in principle! with the Household/Water Tax Campaign it’s not a case in most cases of Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay, it’s a case of reasonably widespread civil disobedience. It needs to be tackled and if someone has a Sky or UPC subscription then they can well afford the Property Tax, the Household Charge etc. The same sentiment applies to TV Licence Evaders who have Cable TV Subscriptions!
Try comparing Sky subscriptions with vital necessities like food and shelter David and not an unnecessary unlawful “property tax” that is nothing more than a fee going to pay for the gambling debts of a handfull of criminal elites and the salaries/pensions of their bedfellows in government.
Some people will have Sky and get aid from SVP. However, funding the Murdoch evil empire or magic beans are worthier expenditures than that slave tribute to the ECB.
That’s the spirit Seamus, lets focus on the penny looking down on the half penny. Lets forget who brought us to our knees. Typical
hes an out of touch balding fat moron..desperately looking for an other way to rob decent people..a sick man..
Michael Noonan, fair play to you, a politician with balls he will always get my vote, now all you moaners where’s my red thumbs please?
Most won’t like this, but too bad. Grow up you whining and whinging spoilt people. The government gave us all gifts over the past decade and now when times are tough, you almost give a damn. I am an American blow-in. As far as I can tell only the OAP people have proved their case. Oh yeah, I am the carer for a special needs teenager and an elderly aunt. I didn’t realize that I was being overpaid.
I’m sorry Don, but I gave our thieving corrupt government more “gifts” in the form of taxes over the past 10 years than they ever gave me.
Exactly what “gifts” did they give us over the past 10 years, apart from the burden of the staggering debts, racked up by corrupt and criminal elites, that had nothing to do with us?
You dont have to wait till the next election!
You can Vote at:- http://www.HomeTaxPetition.net
in my opinion he is a complete arsehole, i was going to say p”"”k but i’ll leave it at arsehole … mr noonan go retire and let someone young enough who knows whats going on do what has to be done!
Tramp.
Arbitrary Seizure of our property:-
- by levy of this penal Tax-Rent with no consideration for ability to pay.
- deferral if we cant pay, until we die, and then take it from our families.
- force us to sell our homes so that some wealthy person can buy them!
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Not exactly a fair comparison…
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