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The two protagonists: Speaker of the House John Boehner, a Republican, and President Barack Obama, a Democrat. Carolyn Kaster/AP/Press Association Images

Explainer: What is the 'fiscal cliff' and why does it matter?

The US is facing a potentially devastating financial crisis in less than a week but what is it all about, what impact will it have on Ireland and what’s got to happen if it is to be avoided? TheJournal.ie explains…

US PRESIDENT BARACK Obama has cut short his Christmas break in Hawaii to return to Washington and deal with the so-called ‘fiscal cliff’.

You’ve probably been hearing a lot about the impending ‘fiscal cliff’ in recent weeks but just what exactly is it? What could be so important that Obama has to cut short his Christmas family and golf time in Honolulu?

Briefly, the fiscal cliff is a series of tax rises and spending cuts which are automatically due to come into effect on 1 January which is as soon as next week.

Such is the extreme nature of the fiscal measures they are predicted to almost certainly plunge the US into recession next year which would be devastating to the country, Obama’s second term and the global economy.

A pretty big deal then. How did it come to this?

You may remember that in August 2011, President Obama and Congress struck a deal to raise the United States’ debt ceiling - the legal limit placed on the amount of debt the country can run up – having been on the brink of reaching the $14.294 trillion ceiling that summer.

In doing this both houses of Congress – the Senate and the House of Representatives – passed the Budget Control Act, a law which committed the US to cutting overall government spending in a bid to reduce the country’s deficit – the gap between money spent by the government and revenue raised.

In order to cap government spending over ten years and find budget savings of $1.2 trillion over that same period a bipartisan ‘supercommittee’ was established to identify where long-term and sustainable adjustments could be made in order to avoid the kind of brinkmanship experienced during the debt ceiling crisis.

But this committee failed to reach an agreement meaning that a so-called sequester of automatic, across-the-board spending cuts and tax rises would come into effect on 1 January 2013 – these measures are known as the ‘fiscal cliff’.

Why? Because they are measures considered so severe that they are predicted to plunge the US into recession next year – hence the country would go ‘off the cliff’, fiscally speaking.

What kind of measures are they that they would lead to the US going ‘off the cliff’?

Some of the measures  include the expiration of federal tax cuts and breaks that were enacted under the presidency of George W Bush in 2001 as well as a payroll tax holiday that Obama enacted in his first term. These tax changes would hit an estimated 88 per cent of all US taxpayers, making almost all of them worse off.

For the ordinary, middle-income American – which is 60 per cent of the US population – the Tax Policy Center says they would face an average annual tax rise of about $2,000.

There would also be federal spending cuts particularly in areas like defence but most other federal agencies would also be affected and benefits for the unemployed would automatically expire for two million Americans who are currently out of work.

Overall the deficit reduction measures would be made up of two-thirds tax increases and one-third spending cuts and would total $607 billion.

This pie chart from a helpful New York Times powerpoint gives you an indication of what sort of cuts and tax hikes will be coming into force without a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff:

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For the wider US economy the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says that the real gross domestic product in the US would decline by 0.5 per cent in 2013 with a big drop in the first part of the year. Some analysts predict it the economy could decline by as much as four per cent.

Unemployment, which has stayed below 8 per cent in recent months, would shoot up to over 9 per cent by the end of next year, the CBO says.

How would this impact on Ireland and the world?

Globally, the impact cannot be underestimated. The old saying ‘when America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold’ would ring true with the International Monetary Fund among those predicting a knock-on effect on the world economy if the US economy declines.

The eurozone economy is already predicted to contract by 0.3 per cent next year and the US going over the fiscal cliff would have an even greater impact on this.

For Ireland, exports to the US – which account for almost a quarter of all Irish exports – would suffer and inward investment from major US-based multinationals would also be impacted.

Since the not-so-super ‘supercommittee’ failed Congress, where the Republicans control the House of Representatives, has been wrangling with the White House in an attempt to reach an agreement.

Unless some sort of a deal can be worked out before the turn of the year then the US will go over the fiscal cliff on 1 January, that’s next Tuesday.

How did it get to the point where the US is facing this sort of crisis?

The simple answer is that aside from the all the economic turmoil that has afflicted the US and global economy in the last five years, tax rates in the States have gone down while government borrowing and spending have gone up.

Tax cuts, like those introduced by Bush, are good an era when the economy is booming and there is more tax revenue coming in but when it starts to decline it can create problems especially when rising unemployment places a greater burden on government welfare programmes.

The share of income most families pay taxes on has been falling for the past 30 years, according to the Wall Street Journal. In 1981 the middle of the middle class in the US paid 19 per cent taxes. In 2007 they gave 14.3 per cent of their income to the tax man.

This table from BBC News shows how tax cuts during the George W Bush administration came down from his predecessor Bill Clinton’s time in office and led to the current situation:

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While all of this is happening government spending has been increasing. At present one out of every four dollars spent by the US government goes towards healthcare compared to 1960 when less than 10 per cent of overall federal spending went towards health.

In the area of defence one in every five dollars the US federal government spent last year was in this area. Defence spending has rocketed in recent years because of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

So why not just let the Bush tax cuts expire?

Well this would hit everyone including struggling middle-income families. President Obama does not want to let all of the Bush-era tax cuts expire but does for those on higher incomes. He argues that those who earn more, specifically the wealthiest two per cent in America, should pay more.

This is anathema to the Republican Party which takes a dim view of taxes in general. Over 90 per cent of the party’s members who serve in the US congress have signed the so-called ‘Taxpayer Protection Pledge’ – the brainchild of Americans for Tax Reform president Grover Norquist – which commits them to opposing increases in marginal income tax rates.

There is a recognition from both sides of the need for concessions.

Obama has pledged to change the way Social Security (social welfare) cost-of-living adjustments are made for some recipients and cut spending on government healthcare programmes.

But when the Speaker of the Republican-controlled House of Representatives and defacto leader of the opposition, John Boehner, offered to allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for those earning more than $1 million this was rejected by his own party.

The reason it’s called the fiscal cliff is because going off it is supposed to be so unpalatable that both sides – Democrats and Republicans – will do all they can to avoid it.

For the Republicans they do not want the Bush-era tax cuts to expire or defence spending to be cut so deeply. Here’s Boehner summing-up his side’s view during what was probably the shortest press conference ever on 19 December:

YouTube: SalonASW

For Democrats they want to avoid cuts to other federal government programmes as well as avoid a temporary payroll tax that Obama introduced expiring on 1 January. here is Obama summing-up his side’s view, also on 19 December:

YouTube: AssociatedPress

So where do we go from here?

With days to go before the deadline there is no agreement and no sign of one. While Obama returns to Washington, the rest of the country’s lawmakers show no immediate signs of coming returning from their own Christmas breaks to forge a deal.

To complicate matters the US Treasury Secretary – the US’ finance minister – Tim Geithner has said that the statutory debt limit – that debt ceiling we mentioned earlier – will be reached by 31 December or Monday.

This means that the US won’t be able to borrow any more money to service it’s debt and it will default. Fortunately some ”extraordinary measures” taken by the Treasury will postpone the date it has to pay some of its bills.

This is effectively moving money around and kicking the can down the road to February or early March when the debt ceiling of $16.4 trillion will be hit again and the US really will default unless more permanent action is taken.

All of which makes it incumbent on lawmakers to reach some sort of deal.

By Monday?

Well in an ideal world yes but if a deal is not reached before then there is an expectation that it would not be an immediate catastrophe. After all, US citizens like the rest of us don’t have to pay all of their taxes for the year right at the start of it.

But going off the cliff would be a demonstration to the world that the US cannot handle its finances, stock market confidence would plummet, its already cut credit rating could be cut further and it would be a huge blow to Obama with his second inauguration on 20 January.

So then, what’s going to happen?

Well we can’t tell you that because we just don’t know but there are now three likely scenarios. In order of likelihood here they are:

  1. A stalemate where the Bush tax cuts expire and the spending cuts are implemented.
  2. partial renewal of the Bush tax cuts involving some but not all of them being extended
  3. A short-term fix involving the partial extension of Bush tax cuts, a delay on spending cuts, and some deficit reduction measures.

    But in truth it’s difficult to predict just what might happen between now and next week. Which means that the next few days in the US will be dominated by rhetoric and brinkmanship with the rest of the world watching on, nervously.

    An alternative explainer: What’s a fiscal cliff? Let Monty explain…

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      Mute itiswhatitis1
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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:48 AM

      There is more to this than meets the eye no one man caused all this it was many catastrophic failures from Government and Dail and Central Bank as well as Senior civil servants as well as the banks themselves.

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      Mute Golden Bryan
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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:55 AM

      The fundamental problem was the “light touch regulation”. And where did that come from?
      From Fianna Fáil.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:57 AM

      And 35,000 people turn up for the pro-abortion demotration and im yet to see anything done to these 2 ******
      They know they can get away with it because we as irish people are missing the point and more over until you stop walking 5 and 10k to raise money for charity to buy hospital bed and make a point to the government to start using the tax money for what they are meant for these kind of things will never stop.who wouldnt wont free money if they know they cant be touch,the system is weak,corrupt and pointless.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:00 AM

      We just copied the UK system, so I suppose we should really blame the English.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:08 AM

      These two boys are only the tip of the iceberg ….

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:13 AM

      Time to stop blaming the English dont you think? We the Irish messed things up and we corrupted the political and banking system. So it requires us the Irish to get on with things and fix it because sitting around and blaming others for our problems is not going to do anything.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:19 AM

      The funny part of all these is the current government pretend they dont know anything about the banking system,sure what we they doing as opposition.i guess they were there collecting their big pay cheques and never give a toss about anything so do us a favour and stop acting like saints because it makes yees look like clowns .

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:33 AM

      @Aaron, sarcasm?

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:40 AM

      So, no minds of your own ? How convenient.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:48 AM

      @ Aaron
      the banks lending money they knew could never be paid back is what has us in this mess.. you said
      …we the irish messed things up and we corrupted the political and banking system … let me ask you is your daddy a banker ?

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:49 AM

      Aw poor David…. the drip feeding of the recordings are making my life a misery… I wish they would all be out in the public at once so everyone could get over it and move on… well for once im happy they are being drip fed to us… we need time to reflect on the utter shite you were spouting on our behalf….

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:26 PM

      ..all the evidence & proof, yet still nobody accountable or facing justice..

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:44 PM

      Sorry Fagan my dads not a banker, but let me say this to you, this whole mess is cultural thing at root, you can see it in our society even with the level of Cronyism, we need to start correcting such cultural aspects. And just to clarify Im not saying this is every Irish individuals fault or that they live up certain cultural aspects, but these things are a problem in Irish society.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:59 PM

      ”We just copied the UK system, so I suppose we should really blame the English”
      - yes – we did in way – but the system originated in USA – in Chicago – by Milton Freidman- and his Neo Liberal Economics – so we blindly followed them – over the cliff .
      How many of the Nordic countries have called in the IMF [ A disaster happening to any country - with their political agenda ] – but look at much of EU .
      We got what we deserved for not questioning hard enough -. USA is a failed state – now a police state – and we still follow them .

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:22 PM

      @ Aaron …so the bankers lending money to people they shouldnt of lent it to in the first place is a result of irish culture …again your trying to blame the people of ireland are we to blame for the rest of the world

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      Jul 7th 2013, 2:19 PM

      I the sad truth of it is that will probably get back in government in the next election :/

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      Jul 7th 2013, 2:22 PM

      Yes the English always get blamed for anything that goes wrong in Ireland.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 9:56 PM

      You speak the truth!!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:04 AM

      Nothing will be done. The government is not going to investigate themselves.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:08 PM

      Wait a scapegoat…. does anyone else see the irony in what he’s saying. :-)

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:27 PM

      Which is why we need to pull a revolution out of our arses.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:50 AM

      The poor man, they’re blaming him for all the lies he told.
      I feel sooooo sorry for him.
      Dish the dirt Drummer, it’s your only chance.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:19 PM

      What’s the problem? He told the truth; the regulator, the central bank and all the politicians are a bunch of f*****g clowns.

      He got them, using the people of Ireland’s money, to try and bail out his crap business. He’s obviously far more clever than the electorate.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:47 PM

      He’s telling the truth now, he was lying then.
      He lied and he got the moolah.
      Our moolah.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 5:08 PM

      Absolutely agreed
      Anglo ran rings around the regulators
      Anglo board ran rings around government ministers and there financial advisers
      Ran rings around the central bank
      Tried to run rings around the eu banking system

      All to prop up a bank that was bleeding 1 B euros A DAy and was going to the wall at a rate of knots . Run by a bunch of salesmen selling loans to people who shouldn’t have even had a sniff of the money never mind getting 100 million loans here and there

      Hiding losses with creative banking running down the line between legal and ethical . Auditors from the big five surely must have seen this coming and signed off as sound . The Irish people should
      Sue
      1 auditors for fraud
      2 all Anglo board for bankrupting the country and loss of sovereignty
      3 FF ministers in charge at time who allowed this debacle to go ahead and remove all pensions entitlements and straight to jail for corruption who ever found guilty
      4 all senior serpents who were involved as they simply had or have no clue about big finance and there incompetence in managing the banking crisis and remove all pensions and entitlements
      5 Peugeot for building cars that don’t work . I have gremlins in my electronics I have never experienced before and is taking all my skills to sort out 407SW don’t touch with barge pole

      Now where’s me green pills again ………

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:08 PM

      He was prepared to work to save the bank …question is who was prepared to work to save the people ….yes that’s right not the politicians happy with their lump sums and €3000 a week or the civil servants with jobs for life and big bench marked pensions ….

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:54 AM

      Awww, poor little David, everyone is picking on him!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:50 AM

      Work in any branch of high finance and you’ll hear the same language. I would like to hear the conversations in the dept of finance or dept of the Taoiseach.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:58 AM

      What were the heads of finance doing, didn’t Cardiff lose account of 3 billion and then he got a job in Europe I wonder is that where all the Dunces are sent. It says a lot for Europe doesn’t it the shower of wasters

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:48 AM

      Pure sc*m

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:52 AM

      Put this d*ckhead in a pillory outside the central bank. I’d love to throw a few rotten eggs at him.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:10 AM

      If Drumm didn’t want to be a scapegoat, he shouldn’t have done and said what he did. Simple.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:16 AM

      Clearly, Anglo Irish Bank and its irresponsible management were the sepsis in the financial system. There were total rogues.

      But Bankers will run riot if not controlled. This is why there has to be a Bank Regulator but the Bank Regulate has to regulate. The Central Bank of Ireland and IFSRA were not just involved in light touch regulation. They turned a blind eye. Every rule of prudent lending was openly and flagrantly broken but nothing was done.

      The ultimate culprits are the senior civil servants who were paid magnificently and did a dreadfully bad job, resulting in the destruction of the Irish public finances.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:57 AM

      They all promotions the civil cervants.disgrace.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:57 AM

      jail the fecker

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:03 AM

      While these tapes are a shocking indictment on the system that was; and still is. You have to question why they are being released and for what purposes, you cannot listen to these tapes in a vacuum but against the governments of the day and todays. These tapes are but a reason for a referendum on Oireachtas inquiry power and a chance to give government power that should only be held by the Judiciary. Remember this when the question comes around again, ask yourself if you would have liked Haughey, Ahern and Cowen to be in charge of a Dail (without a seanad if current opinion polls are to continue) with the powers the founders thought ought to rest solely with the independent courts of the land.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:05 AM

      What Paul Williams is doing with this drip feeding is not in the public interest. It is damaging our international reputation if that were possible. Not defending drumm et al but if the indo were serving the public interest as they said, they’d let it all out in one go.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:12 AM

      Indo want to sell papers

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:16 AM

      Precisely my thoughts. The indo is doing quite a lot of damage in drip feeding.
      How many more extracts are going to be released? This could go from now until Christmas.
      Other questions I have for the indo is how long did they have possession of these tapes and who on earth gave them over?

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:23 PM

      People in this country tend to have short memories (look at FF leading the polls again), so I hope they continue drip feeding for as long as it takes until some of these crooks end up in jail. Keep on dripping baby!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:07 AM

      Slaughter the scape goat and we can rest easy. Poor little drummer boy.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:10 AM

      FF must take the blame for most of our financial crisis.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:30 AM

      Yet FF are now the most popular political party according to the polls. What does that say about us? I think it says we are a pack of idiots that are terrified of change.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 2:27 PM

      Linda it’s unreal isn’t it! when will we ever learn?

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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:51 AM

      Well I am sure that the rest of Ireland do not want to be the mules that are hauling the money back into the banks.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:36 AM

      He deserves jail at least but he has a point, release all tapes from all banks, stop with the drip feeding and let’s see exactly what happened and of course who the f*#kers that will getaway scot free are.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:30 AM

      The saying is true “an ounce of breeding is better than a ton of feeding”. This is one ignorant man and with all his money it’s fairly obvious he was dragged up.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:54 AM

      Gary, it was the breeding issue (croneyism etc) that provided the banking and political dynasties that destroyed the country, both economically and politically. Yeah, Drumm is from the North side, but the vast majority of the rest of them were old-school south siders. Thats why none of them are in prison yet.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:16 PM

      Cathal don’t get me wrong, all I meant was the foul language he was constantly using and on top of that the fact he said he wanted to punch Brian Linehan. I have no idea where he was brought up, I’m judging him from the tapes. There are classy people that come from nothing and ignorant people that come from wealth.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:27 AM

      Imagine if these tapes had been published at the start of the crisis… You have to wonder why they weren’t and why there’s a drip feed several years later.

      I guess the “soft landing” turned out to be real for bankers, developers, regulators and politicians.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:34 AM

      One word CARTEL..I personally can’t wait to hear Cowens dreary voice coming into recognition as a player in all this

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:38 AM

      Most of the top presenters from RTE were in the Galway tent.So its ironic that they are surprised what’s coming out in the Anglo gate tapes.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:07 PM

      The guy is the very definition of Traitor!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:30 PM

      Just by stating that he wasn’t the only one doing something wrong still means that he was doing something wrong! I am enjoying the drip feeding and long may it continue. If it had all leaked at once it would now have magically been swept under the carpet – this way it is kept in the media and I hope it stays this way until something is finally done. The lack of action makes me think that the politicians, bankers, developers all have something to be scared of… Oh and FF top the poles again, short memories it would seem. Shame there is no drip feeding to remind all the mindless sheep of FF’s role in all this – it seems to be the only thing that works in Ireland…

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:26 PM

      i got a lot of red thumbs last week for mentioning the other banks and what would their tapes reveal. not just irish banks foreign banks too. time will tell.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:36 PM

      Rose,I agree with you there is more to come. As Tim Fat Coogan says, some one usally the winners will write the history books.

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      Mute Paul Somers
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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:02 PM

      Opportunity for the Irish Gathering to make a killing. 63 ‘Septic Dunk Tanks’ outside the Central Bank, each one for a banker, politician or nama abuser. €5 to trow a ball to dunk one, the queues would be massive..from trains, planes and automobiles.. Hell I would walk… The Irish would come back in herds. Clean up the country as well.

      Will the Indo please release ALL the tapes NOW, so that we can hopefully get a clear picture, bring in a German commissioner and derail the corruptness.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:39 AM

      And they have not been replaced by much better !

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      Mute grease lightening
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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:15 PM

      Can you even imagine what it would have been like if the present lot had been in power at the time!

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      Mute J. Dunn
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      Jul 7th 2013, 10:51 AM

      ‘They were marching to the beat of a different Drumm.’

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      Mute tax slave
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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:26 PM

      The indo knows we have a short memory so thy are drip feeding it to keep up focused on the bastards that got us in this mess . Well i hope . That’s why thy are doing it

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      Mute K S
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      Jul 7th 2013, 12:48 PM

      Hopefully he’s p##sed off enough by this to name and shame a few of the politicians and civil servants he’s talking about!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:31 AM

      And on a lighter note,i was stop recently by a garda doing 55km on a 50km and just out of curosity i ask the garda where did he got that figures from,he replied i got it out of mi back side..hahaha..have a good day folks…

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      Mute William O'Shea
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      Jul 7th 2013, 1:17 PM

      In the absence of a political will to hold an independent inquiry and the absence of (seemingly) a Police investigation then the drip feed of these tapes is the right thing to do…… Like the infamous Chinese water torture method the skinning of these deplorable excuses of humanity the results will come in! If the Authorities government, legislative, justice (gardai) are dithering (I’m being kind using this word) in their response to this emergency then we have to find other ways. This Indo Sino tape torture is working…. this Drumm pup (and colleagues) doesn’t want to be the scapegoat… well let’s drip feed more and more and make that smug, arrogant muppet squeal like the proverbial pig (that he appears to be). Keep applying the pressure Indo and who knows your management of these tapes (which I applaud) might be the catalyst for REAL change in this shambolic Republic.

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      Mute William Mcgee
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      Jul 7th 2013, 6:40 PM

      FF. have to take the blame for the banking collapse , FG. and Labour in government are not doing anything to upset the the people that destroyed the country, all we are hearing is more cuts and more taxes , the people are paying for the sins of the Golden circles . Time for the government to wake up and do their job and bring a little bit of justice to the country . Putting it on the long finger and hoping the people will forget is not an option .

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      Mute Peadar Grant
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      Jul 7th 2013, 8:45 PM

      A number of Italians I’ve spoken to over the last few days think that we’re mugs in Ireland for taking it lying down.

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      Jul 8th 2013, 9:23 AM

      Like that lot can talk – one word Berlusconi.

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      Mute Brian Donohoe
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      Jul 7th 2013, 9:41 PM

      Why doesn’t Drumm just do what bankers always do when faced with a problem. . . . pass the buck. He knows a lot more than he is saying about the guarantee, and eveything else that went on at that time, and I’d say that the sale of toilet rolls to certain TD’s homes have increased hugely in the last week. No surprise either that Noonan warned about “mucking around with evidence”. Trying to cover his buddie”s backs as usual.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 2:21 PM

      I’d have the death penalty of these people, they have destroyed the country.

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      Jul 7th 2013, 4:14 PM

      I hope someone manages to get a hold of drumms neck and wrings it for him, he doesn’t deserve to walk the streets of this country without being lynched

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      Jul 8th 2013, 6:24 AM

      The Regulator failed to regulate which allowed the sort of very bad lending practices to become the “norm”. Drum et al just resorted to type with no opposition from politicians too busy being in the “tent” themselves to do their duty. FF Govt totally culpable and then compounded mistake by failing to tell UE to GTF! Net result ? Population in hock forever, emigration our best export again and the nation a poster boy for incompetence. Large corporations here not for Irish “expertise” in matters financial just the bottom line tax rate . Thank you Connolly et al RIP.

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      Jul 10th 2013, 2:22 PM

      Drum should be arrested and charged ASAP!

      Enda act ASAP!

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      Jul 7th 2013, 3:37 PM

      Thae corrupt Irish govt put in place as at now and in the past are the ones responsible the Irish people need to either accept the blame or do something about it me myself I left the whole mess as I couldn’t bear it absolute “bolloxoligy” to even hear this from a senior banker is absolutely ridiculous ….

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      Jul 7th 2013, 11:05 PM

      Extra asterisk in f*cking Amy. Oops..that doesn’t read well!!

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