May she rest in peace..
a great figure and model for Ireland..
A credit to the freedom of Ireland..
I salute you

Mask….shouldnt your handle be “Balaclava”.

Gerry Adams never sweated on his life. Too ignorant to care.

Are you serious, Jamie? The woman was a psycho.

Pipe down Patrick, you must have had a crush on her and she turned you down or something!?-someone’s a Moody Michael this evening!

What an absolute idiot. You don’t happen to vote Sinn Fein and be on the dole? That murdering terrorists can rot in hell and same should happen to get sister in Prison

@Farmer Tom, very small minded bigoted statement to make! I suggest you check out the young SF TDs, they happen to be a minority in Leinster House that can actually make cogent statements and debate on tv without mud slinging.

Another dead terrorist! Yippee! Good riddance.

Delighting in another person’s death is shameful.

Not when they’re a murdering terrorist it isn’t.

Celtic clad simpleton no doubt.

muppet

go rub your shiny head you muppet

The time has come to part our love
You must go away
You leave us now our darling girl
No longer can you stay

Our heart like yours has broken
Together we’ll prove strong
The road you take, will show the world,
The suffering still goes on.

Ah, how romantic!

Tool no.1

Tool no.2

Just like all the murdering orange Hun murderers eh! Their time is coming too. Why don’t you start reading the sun again and save your comments for that British rag.

Yep. Just like the murdering orange bastards too. Let them all rot in hell for what they’ve done between them.

The difference between me and you is that for me, a murderer is a murderer, but for you, it seems to depend which side they were on.

As for The Sun, I’ve never read that shite and never will.

At least the Al Qaida terrorists had the decency to kill themselves as they murdered innocent people for their fanatical beliefs. This evil woman decided that her opinion was so important that it was worth killing countless innocent people over. Her victims lives, and the lives of their families meant nothing in her eyes. However, she decided that her opinion wasn’t worth her own life, and so she slaughtered innocents from afar. What a despicable, evil person.
And before you reply with Sinn Fein boilerplate responses, try swapping the words “republican cause” for “Allah” and “occupied six counties” for “infidels”. The language may be different but murdering innocents is murdering innocents, plain and simple.

Mandela did, blow people up that is.

While I disagree with her actions, her reasons were correct. Adams is a liar who has no place in Dail Eireann.

Was ghandi an obtuse or right angle.

@lauren soldiers kill people in foreign countries & when they go back home they are given medals & are called heroes.as a matter of interest what is your definition of a hero?

I’m not sure that Mandela did blow up people? Correct me if I’m wrong.

He was a circle.

Gandhi was in to peaceful means but he always agreed that it was easy to do that in India with their large population. He was an admirer of men like Terence McSweeney who died on hunger strike. He was a realist and knew that what worked in India would not work in Ireland or Kenya.

Ghandi recruited hundreds of thousands of Indian men to fight for the British army during World War one, thousands never came back.

eh at what point did I say i support war or think soldiers are heroes…?

Convicted bomb maker

Mandela I mean!

@lauren i never said you did.i asked you whats your definition a hero?

Mandela never blew anyone up, nor did he intend to. After his guerrilla training in Uganda he was on his way to make his first attack, on infrastructure (it was their plan to target SA infrastructure to see if it would work before they would resort to killing) when he was arrested.

@nicholas,what about the catholics who were mutilated by knife on the shankill road by loyalists..

And her victims !

@ the mask use a real name and you might get a reply.

Yet again some numbskull justifying IRA atrocities by citing Loyalist atrocities. How stupid do you have to be to….
….oh what’s the point with these eejits?

@nicholas,I wasn’t really hoping for a reply as it is fact..believe what you like the law is law

They were evil as well! Anyway does that justify killing innocent people elsewhere?

@paddy.I have to laugh you can side with one group even when they were as bad if not worse.both sides were to blame, in any war people die.I am not condoning any side but don’t listen to one and ignore all others..
I suggest you read into both sides before ill commenting

Give me a clue as to how believing the Ira and loyalists both committed atrocities is taking sides. You’re a bit of a coward, aren’t you, hiding behind anonymity?

@paddy,your comment signifies your lack of knowledge to the subject shown by a reference to my name instead of what my previous comment stated

I didn’t refer to your name because you are too much of a coward to give it.

Still nothing paddy..very childish can give it but can’t take..

Anonymous Coward. I have no idea what you are on about and I suspect you don’t either. Can’t take what exactly?

Paddy Murray back with his problems with free speech. Why are you so keen to know our identities? Do you have a Walter Mitty style fantasy about being a secret policeman or something? You always drag the debate down to a mud slinging match about identities.

Oh I’m so shaken your words really hurt boo hoo.insults is the sign of a uneducated ill informed village idiot..if you can’t follow the thread I suggest you return to 1st class for English lessons

@paddy
somehow i don’t think yer average provo took the same psychopathic pleasure in placing a bomb or an incendiary in a public place as the shankill butchers did when, time and time again they went out drunkenly hunting taigs for slaughter.
not the same thing at all.

It would indeed be hard to find anyone as sadistic as those butchers but it still doesn’t justify no warning car bombs, sectarian massacres such as Teebane and Kingsmill or torture – the names of victims are well known. Gerry’s buddy Scappatichi was a past master. I hate all murder all violence but understand utterly why, almost 100 years ago, it was a legitimate option. But not how or when the modern IRA did what they did. Republican? They don’t know the meaning of the weird.

And that’s word though it’s not a bad auto correct!!!!!

Well said , paddy Murray,enough said.

Will u listen to urself , u just tried to make a point that one crowd were more humane murderers than the other… God help us..

Not sure what you’re saying. But 100 years ago negotiation was impossible, telling the world of your plight was impossible. It was a different world. It doesn’t excuse violence but it may explain it. In the late 20th century, in western Europe, there is and was no justification

Paddy I’m not leaning one way or the other on this argument but I’d be interested to know why you perceive it to be a legitimate option 100 years ago but not 30/40 years ago. I would have thought that Ireland pre free state was a better place to live in for a nationalist than anywhere in the six counties during the troubles.

Maybe I misunderstood you.

That would be interesting, to hear how it was ‘justified’ to murder innocent civilians 100yrs ago.

War in general is sick my friend

@Patrick .Name a war where civilians didn’t die. I am not condoning it but it is what it is.

80% of people that died at the hands of the PIRA were combatants. 50% of those that died at British army hands were combatants, 20% of those that died at Loyalist paramilitary hands were combatants.

Micheal Collins and colleagues killed a lot more civilians than PIRA did. War is not nice and awful things happened and were done by all sides.

I don’t really ever agree with Patricks comments but he’s right it wasn’t a “war”. It wasn’t the Irish state vs. the British state. The Irish state recognizes people like Dolores Price as terrorists and locks up dissidents. The so-called “IRA” of the Troubles never ever had a majority backing from even Catholics in the North. This isn’t my opinion, these are hard facts. Terrorism is terrorism.

‘Fools’ is well named. What an idiotic statement. The provos were a small gang with no popular support until they stopped their campaign of murder and mayhem.

“This isn’t my opinion, these are hard facts. Terrorism is terrorism.”

Here’s a hard fact, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

Here’s another ‘hard fact’, the same British government which referred to Gerry Adams as a terrorist also referred to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist. Now theres a statue of Mandela standing outside the British Parliament in Westminister.

Silly business. Its widely acknowledged that Adams represented the political end to the republican struggle since the 1970s and dragged the IRA to the negotiating table prior to the good friday agreement.

Matthew, it was not a war. It was terrorism. I agree with what you say about war.

What a cheesy phrase. Putting bombs under school buses/shopping centers/homes, murdering civilians, etc. is TERRORISM.

When Adams says he was not in the IRA, I think he is technically saying he was not sworn in. He probably naturally fell in to a community leader in the chaos of 69 and naturally became an IRA leader and was seen as an authority figure and leader of an armed resistance by default.

So by saying he was never a member means he was never an official member.

This doesn’t mean I’m standing up for him, support him or the methods employed by that organization. Just pointing out Adam’s clause in his argument.

“murdering civilians, etc. is TERRORISM”

So, by that measure, your beloved Israel must be a terrorist state, kevin, yes?

“Oppressed not “occupied”. Your occupied when the majority are against being in the Union and your forced to stay. ”

So, you consider the west bank occupied territory, rather than disputed?

Yep, that is terrorism. Just like every war includes State sponsored terrorism. Firebombing massive numbers of civilians from 30,000 foot, nuking entire cities, carpet bombing, polluting large areas of land with chemical weapons – those are all terrorist acts. Some of you need to move on the past or we’ll still be stuck in the same place in a 100 years.

It would also mean the British, American, French, Russian, Chinese are terrorists.. looks like the world is full of terrorism..

This isn’t about Israel…….So we should force Northern Ireland to become part of the ROI regardless of what they want? What if an Irish province, say Connacht wants to become independent of the ROI? Do we check with the rest of Ireland and see what the majority wants? If we were going by your logic the Troubles would have never ended.

I have also said I disagree with the settlements before……If the majority of people in the West Bank want to become part of Palestine, then they have every right to do so.

“This isn’t about Israel……”

LOL!

I like how you dodged my point…….

@Seamus please get back in your box your comment makes you look foolish.

Kevin where did u grow up. I grew up in Derry theo the 70 and 80, and ur statement on support for the armed struggle is far from fact.

@Kevin N
just a little history when the provo campaign started the taigs were under the lash.
Sunningdale gave them a look-in, but it was torn down by paisley and some fellow travellers of his that he has distanced himself from ever since.
what were the croppies to do???
Lie down?
Get with the M.L.K. program and do the whole non-violence bit?
No, they resisted with the means they had to hand, and i think that until any one of us in the South haswalked a mile in the shoes that Northern nationalists had to walk in for almost 50 years it ill-behooves any one of us to sit on the sidelines in judgement on a set of circumstances we never had any experience of outside what was fed to us by RTE BBC and UTV.

Actually kevin, I was laughing. Y’see, pointing out a double standard usually involves introducing a second subject to show the standard in question. For instance, a lot of the time, the same people screaming “terror” and “murder of innocent people” at the first mention of Gerry Adams are the same people waving miniature Star of David flags every time Israeli terror murders inocent people.

May she Rest in peace,TAL

@werejammin
there was an area in Belfast that was festooned with Israeli flags about 10/15 yrs ago.
Can’t remember exactly where, but i remember thinkin to myself “there’s the planters and those that are planted”.
it’s as true in modern times as ever it was hundreds of years ago, and it causes NOTHING but trouble and bloodshed.

Yep. Apparently theres still the odd protestant pub up there with lots of Israeli flags hanging round. Oppression, like occupation, is an old habit that dies hard.

I am very aware that extremist Loyalists and Republicans have used the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to further their own hatred.

The loyalist armed conflict – Mark Humphrys
The loyalist paramilitaries did not serve the role of the IRA’s enemy in war. The British security forces filled that role, and fought according to the rules of war.
The loyalists did not fight according to the rules of war. They killed almost exclusively innocent civilians, and not by accident either. These were not errors. These were not “collateral damage” – they were the actual targets.

The loyalist paramilitaries were Protestant religious death squads – killing and torturing innocent, uninvolved civilians for religion. We were supposed to believe that both sides were doing this of course, but in retrospect that was unthinking politically-correct humbug, one of many such devices over the last 30 years to avoid thinking about the conflict. Anti-Catholicism has been just as real in Britain’s history as anti-semitism has been in Europe’s, and it could so easily have ended in the horrors of the camps (as have in fact been proposed by a number of loyalist thinkers).

The similarities of virulent fundamentalist anti-Catholicism and anti-semitism: The “Irish” problem, like the “Jewish” problem, was never a problem with the Irish. It was a problem with virulent fundamentalist anti-Catholicism, a problem that still exists in the unionist population today. Northern anti-Catholicism is the fundamental cause of 30 years of conflict.

The similarities of the loyalists and the Palestinians: Loyalists have killed and tortured almost exclusively random Catholic civilians. This is because they are motivated by a fundamental racism that their opponents do not feel. Any objective historian will be struck by the fact that, like in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the republicans generally tried to hit military targets, while the loyalist supporters would cheer the killing of any random civilian. To observe this does not mean one supports either the republicans or the Israelis. It is to observe that fundamental beliefs come out in the way one wages war.

Anti-Catholicism v. Anti-Judaism v. Anti-Islam:
It is hard for an Irish person to recognise that anti-Catholicism did once have some rational origin (at least, more rational than anti-semitism).
In the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries, England and other Protestant countries were constructing the most exciting centre of civilization and science since Ancient Greece. They were building the modern world of science, democracy and capitalism. Catholic Europe threatened to destroy their world, and put it again under the control of the Pope and his medieval church.
Britain was right to fear Catholic Europe, but absolutely wrong to introduce persecution of its own Catholics as a response. Irish Catholics were reduced to impoverished serfdom and regular famine, and anti-Catholicism mutated into a fantastic creed similar to anti-semitism. Indeed, if anything, persecution of Catholics got worse as England’s power and security grew (e.g. the persecution of Irish Catholics after England’s final and total victory in 1691).
It is similar to the Islamist threat to the West today. The West is the heart of human civilization and knowledge. The Islamists threaten to destroy it all and return us to medieval barbarism. We are right to fear them, but would be wrong to introduce persecution of our own Muslims.

To a rationalist, it is absurd that Protestant religious killers should hate Catholics, who share identical beliefs, more than they hate, say, atheists. But strangely enough this is what you would expect if you view religions as competing memes.

I guess the main difference between many people on here and me is that I don’t feel any sympathy for a person like Dolores Price when it comes to all the crimes she committed or feel the need to justify such behavior. But on the other hand I would never cheer on the death of Dolores Price; since I’m not a psycho/sociopath and see no reason to shit on a woman who has been in a mental institution. To make vile comments about a deceased mentally ill woman because I find her behavior vile makes me no better a person. I don’t even hate Dolores Price I feel sorry for Dolores Price as a person. It amazes me how someone could get to such a mental state and carry out the actions she did. I know very well the Loyalists are responsible for breeding this kind of hatred/extremism not to mention their own campaign of terrorism. Ian Paisley might not have killed anyone but he definitely has a lot of blood on his hands. He is one of the main reasons the Troubles started in my opinion being that he made the climate so toxic even before the Troubles started.

@Kevin N
bwahahahaha!!!!
please excuse me if i don’t burst out in applause when (through your citation) you firstly acknowledge the fact that Provo violence was not motivated by racism/sectarianism, but you add the bit that says that Western cultureis under threat from Islam!!!
Where do you think the knowledge of the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans was resting as Europe went about killing eachother through the dark ages?
In the Muslim lands!!!
And now, because of a few head-bangers you’re prepared to write off Muslims as potential destroyers ofWestern “culture”!?!?!
oh, go to bed ya muppet!!!

The loyalist armed conflict ///>BY: Mark Humphrys </// – “It is similar to the Islamist threat to the West today. The West is the heart of human civilization and knowledge. The Islamists threaten to destroy it all and return us to medieval barbarism. We are right to fear them, but would be wrong to introduce persecution of our own Muslims.”

Stephen Maher Response: ” but you add the bit that says that Western cultureis under threat from Islam!!! Where do you think the knowledge of the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans was resting as Europe went about killing eachother through the dark ages? In the Muslim lands!!! And now, because of a few head-bangers you’re prepared to write off Muslims as potential destroyers ofWestern “culture”!?!?!”

……..There’s something wrong with you.

@Kevin N
oh, God give me patience (this eejit again)
the woman’s name is Dolours not Delores.
Your veiled backhanders against a dead woman speak more of you than ever they do of her.
Your naked distrust/misunderstanding of Islam speaks volumes about your pure damned ignorance.
i’m finished with this.

@Stephen –

I’m glad you’re finished with “this” since you never successfully articulated any valid points. I don’t care whether her name is Dolly, Molly, or Jolly.

“Your naked distrust/misunderstanding of Islam speaks volumes about your pure damned ignorance.”

I am half-Irish and have a Pakistani father (half-Punjabi/half-Pashtun) with Muslim grandparents who I have nothing but respect for but that doesn’t make me sympathetic to Islam. I first off didn’t even say anything bad about Islam to begin with? The quote I posted by Mark Humphrys clearly states “We (Non-Muslim Western people) are right to fear them (Islamists), but would be wrong to introduce persecution of our own Muslims (Muslims that do not subscribe to Islamism).” The reality is Islam is the most violent religion on the planet when it comes to its holy book the Koran and by its current actions. I assume you’re an admirer of Khalid Kelly or Liam Egan.

“Can’t remember exactly where, but i remember thinkin to myself “there’s the planters and those that are planted”. it’s as true in modern times as ever it was hundreds of years ago, and it causes NOTHING but trouble and bloodshed.”

You also have the typical overly selective interpretation of Irish History from a Sinn Fein/Dissident Republic perspective. Is the surname Adams, Irish? Who are the “planters” you are talking about? The Norwegian/Danish Vikings, Gallowglass-Scots, Anglo-Normans/English, Welsh, French, Flemings, and Bretons who all came before the Protestant Reformation? You do realize that most Northern Irish Protestants descend from Lowland Scots many who bear surnames of Scottish Gaelic origin; they basically returned to their ancestor’s homeland. Dal Riata colony (Gaelic settlement/invasion of Scotland)? What is your opinion on the mass murder against Southern Irish Protestants (who are overwhelmingly Anglican and are of British/Irish ancestry) at the time of Irish Independence? All the Protestant homes burned down, Protestant orphanages burned down, and Protestants brutally murdered because they were just Protestant? Most fled to Britain at the time of independence due to persecution by a violent extremist Republican minority and statement like “this is a Catholic state for a Catholic people”. Who was it that threatened to resign as Prime Minster of the UK if the Catholic Emancipation wasn’t passed? The Anglican – Duke of Wellington. Who are the main architects behind Irish Nationalism? Wolf Tone? Henry Gratton? All Anglican. The truth is that Ireland was only united twice in history that was for a short period of time under Brian Boru (who most of the British Royalty descends from BTW) and the Act of Union between Ireland and Great Britain. Why was Ireland never united otherwise? Because the Irish people were never a united people to begin with. “Plantations” have been going for over a 1000 years in Ireland. Maybe you should do a little more reading of history and not use Sinn Fein-IRA books as your sources for history lessons.

@fools, bombs such as the warrington bomb can not be explained away as war, they were cowardly and evil. regardless what the brits & loyalist were doing you can not justify placing innocent peoples lives directly in danger. You say name a war that civilians wern’t kiled in, well in war people who kill civilians in such an indefenseable manner are charged with war crimes, excuses about vague warnings is not enough

Geez Kevin, well you win the prize for being smarter than all the rest of us. Congratulations!

Kevin you’re in the wrong place to be talking sense like that, Catholics = good, prods = bad is the level on here

This whole saga is disgusting . Nothwithstanding the terrible effects of armed conflict and the lasting trauma that many people still endure , it strikes me as enormously rich when the media , political establishment and opponents of Gerry Adams in general constantly sanctify and pontificate on the moral wrongs for which Adams must atone . What a load of hypocrisy. They have lost all moral credibility by constantly bandying about the name of Jean McConville as little more than political expediency . It is nothing more than a name to them , a blunt instrument by which to mount a PR attack . We can all be sure that when they have had their fun , no sleep is lost out of heartbreak for the McConville family . I doubt they would even be able to recall even a few names of the many people who lost their lives in the terrible year of 1972. ( almost 500 ) Why not ? Because there is nothing to be gained from them . They are not valuable to the achivement of political goals . Neither is the name of Pat Finucane or the innocent victims of Ballymurphy massacre, or Annie’s bar . Maybe efforts could be better placed on perhaps pressing the British government for answers on the Dublin/Monaghan bombings , on which the Irish governemnt , and media , have been strangely silent . I wouldnt hold my breath

Jean McConville’s name only comes up at election time. Most of the people that bring her up couldn’t care less what happened to here.

@Jamie, the slandering continues

Well, it was hardly better. It was the time of tenament buildings and pretty dire poverty. Anyway, the point I’m making is not that violence is justified or was. But 100 years ago, there was no real means of communication for those who wished to put a case widely or world widely. Diplomacy was virtually unknown an certainly not effective. ‘Empires’ did not negotiate. the oppressed, up to and including and indeed beyond that point, generally took up arms. Sixty years later, Ireland and Britain were both democracies, both permitted free speech, worldwide communication was possible and was used by both sides. That is not to say the minority in the North were not mistreated. They were. But blowing people up, torturing suspected – and I stress suspected – informers – sectarian killing, were not the methods of civilised humans.

@robin
seeing as Jamie doesn’t have a clue, perhaps you could answer a few questions.
what was the result of the 1918 election in Ireland?
how many people were killed in Derry 30/1/1972?
how many loyalists/unionists were interned in 1972?
how, on one day in 1974 the UVF became proficient bomb makers, yet had never been so either before or since?
how did loyalist paramilitaries get their hands on intelligence files from all arms of the security “services” in the ’80′s and ’90′s with such ease?

The 1918 election was the one with massive voter fraud, but in NI unionists won most of the seats just like they did in the rest of the UK outside Southern Ireland, so the south were allowed to break off the rest got to remain in the UK as they wished, why would you want to force them into a country they didn’t want to be part of, on that rationale we could be forced back into the UK as 4.5 million out of 60 million

Stephen- that you think because I’m against IRA murder means I’m pro loyalist? It’s exactly this view that has Northern Ireland the way it was. Seemingly you must be on one side or the other? Sad.