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This morning Stephen Donnelly asked for your questions to put to the Troika. Their responses are below. Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland

Stephen Donnelly: I put your questions to the Troika. Here's what they said

The independent Wicklow TD met the Troika today, with YOUR questions in hand. Here’s what he was told.

I MET THE TROIKA earlier today. Before the meeting, I asked (via TheJournal.ie and Facebook) what questions people would like put to them. Over 200 replied.

With seven TDs and one hour, I had eight minutes to put my questions, so I tried to cover the most common themes raised.

One of them mentioned to me, during introductions, that he’d been watching the responses on TheJournal.ie with interest. So, even if your question isn’t covered here, rest assured that, at the very least, it’s been seen directly by the Men In Charge. Sadly, the mission chief for the ECB was not present. This was frustrating, as he was the person I wanted to engage with most.

Here’s my synopsis of the questions and answers, asked by you (via me) and by other members of the Technical Group.

Two caveats:

  1. What’s below is a summary based on my hastily written notes, and as such will not be perfectly accurate, and is entirely are open to challenge (I went straight from the Troika to a meeting with David Hall and others on the constitutional challenge to the Promissory Notes, so I’m doing my best on accuracy with a brain that’s pretty stretched for a Friday evening!);
  2. I am intentionally keeping comments non-attributable to individuals.

Q: Do the banks have enough money to deal with distressed mortgages?

A: The three main banks, AIB, BoI and PTSB, have €26 billion between them for this. That’s more than enough. Having these mortgages dealt with is important to the national recovery.

The markets should respond well for two reasons. First, it would reduce the number of people who are financially distressed, thus increasing domestic demand. Second, it would remove uncertainty as to the level of bad debt on the banks’ books. Too few solutions to date have been durable, with too much reliance on short term fixes such as interest-only periods.

Q: What does the Trichet letter to Brian Lenihan say? Can we have a copy?

A: We haven’t seen any such letter which insists Ireland bail out the banks. As to getting access, the ECB is governed by rules as to what it can release.

[Author’s comment: Gavin Sheridan of TheStory.ie has tried to get the letter, but both the ECB and the European Ombudsman are telling him it doesn’t exist.]

Q: Did the Troika have anything to do with the closure of Garda stations, as claimed by Minister Shatter last night?

A: Nope.

Q: Why is competitiveness not being more thoroughly addressed?

A: The issue is hugely important, and Ireland’s lack of competitiveness in certain areas contributes to high prices for the public.

A big impediment is that anti-competitive behaviour can only be addressed as a criminal activity. This requires too high a burden of proof. You need to be able to take civil actions, as in many other countries, which are easier and quicker to process.

Q: What’s your justification for the property tax?

A: It’s the Irish Government’s decision. However, we agree with broadening the tax base and we actually recommended a higher level of tax for it, as it’s a progressive tax.

[Author’s comment: This is a very short account of what turned out to be a rather frank exchange of views between one of the TDs present and several members of the Troika.]

Q: How are you keeping yourselves aware of the austerity being felt in Ireland?

A: We are very aware of the impact of austerity on the Irish people. We track household income, and reference it in the report.

[Author’s comment: They are also aware of various other indicators, such as the ‘What’s Left Tracker’.]

Q: Have you recommended to the Government that budgets and other correction measures should be progressive, rather than the regressive ones of this Government?

A: We are aware of the ESRI report, and its finding that overall, the correction measures are probably regressive. It is worth noting that compared to correction programmes in other countries, Ireland’s is less regressive than many.

We do engage with civil society groups, and get regular input from them on the impacts of the programme measures.

Q: What would happen if Ireland didn’t pay the €3.1bn on 31st March?

A: No comment, no comment, that would be a serious decision.

[Author’s comment: They didn’t actually say ‘No comment’, but I thought I’d skip over the boiler-plate responses that meant the same thing.]

Q: Is it reasonable that Ireland, which has, according to the EC’s own analysis, contributed 42% to the total cost of the Eurozone bank bailout, should borrow from Europe at seven times the cost Greece will now get to borrow?

A: No comment, no comment, no comment. [Author’s comment: as above.]

Stephen Donnelly is an independent TD representing Wicklow and East Carlow.

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    Immoral taxes will fix it!

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    @Marvin Dollery: the next woke brainwave will be “climate reparations” for poor countries…wait and see..

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:14 AM

    @Finian McG: These hitpieces are starting to get ridiculous. It’s come to the stage where all it does is massage the authors ego. People are being made to feel guilty for their existence. That’s not how nature works.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:32 AM

    @Marvin Dollery: To add to the above points: go out there and be proud of yourself and your existence. Be proud of your culture and country. Never let these miserable educated fools make you feel like you shouldn’t exist. Given half the chance, they’d jump into bed with Soros for the payday.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:40 AM

    @Marvin Dollery: They are getting paid by the government to print these articles, the government set up a grant scheme for media to print climate change articles.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:42 AM

    @Seanie: My point exactly. They preach and preach but it all comes down to money.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:23 AM

    @Seanie: Can you give details of this ‘grant scheme’, please?

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:33 AM

    @Brendan O’Brien: instead of controlling trolling accounts…… step back….. breathe ….. & do your own research maybe??????

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    @Frank Mc Carthy: Can you give details of it, Stephen? If the person making the claim can’t back it up, the claim can’t be taken seriously.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:54 AM

    @Brendan O’Brien: A government expert group that helped award €1.8m of taxpayers’ money to media companies wanted greater coverage of CLIMATE CHANGE and “the rise of populism” overseas.
    So far under the scheme, RTÉ has been granted €720,000, Virgin Media €500,000, and JOURNAL MEDIA €231,500. The Irish Examiner, the Business Post and Reach Media, the publisher of the Irish Daily Star and Irish Daily Mirror, all received €100,000 each. Bauer Media, the German owner of Newstalk and Today FM, is to get €55,000.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news-media-applying-for-18m-state-grants-were-asked-to-consider-focusing-more-on-climate-change-and-rise-of-populism/a1369474080.html#:~:text=Irish%20News-,News%20media%20applying%20for%20%E2%82%AC1.8m%20state%20grants%20were,change%20and%20rise%20of%20populism&text=A%20government%20expert%20group%20that,the%20rise%20of%20populism%E2%80%9D%20overseas.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 12:14 PM

    @sean mcnamara: Thank you for clearing that up Sean, it has shut Brendan up for a while.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 3:15 PM

    @sean mcnamara: Thank you for that.

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    Nov 10th 2024, 8:16 AM

    @Brendan O’Brien: Apology accepted Brendan/Kevin, you know all Muppet who doesn’t know as much as he thinks he does, next time, as Frank says, “do your own fk I n research before you question me

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    We had thousands of jets landing in Baku in Azerbaijan burning fossil fuel to talk about climate change says it all really.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 7:32 AM

    When will this woke nonsense stop

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    @Paul M Doe: it better stop soon as its keeping me up all night,and you aswell by the looks of it. Stop the MADNESS,WE NEED SLEEP NOT WOKEness

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    End the Green Madness, Make living possible again.

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    What’s the betting this jolly will be held in a 5* hotel, we’ll hear these words thrown around like candy—- ” dire, point of no return, fund, must do more, best COP ever, mandate for change”…… we’ll also have interviews with Mary the elder, George Lee will be on SixOne with predictions of armegeddon BUT assure us the next COP will do more

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    @Frank Mc Carthy: of course if you had bothered your hole to read the article, hell even the first paragraph, you would know that this particular Cop on Biodiversity has already taken place, in Cali, last month. How can you expect to be taken seriously if you so obviously don’t bother to read, yet post multiple comments on the article? Actually, scrap that, how can you expect to be taken seriously, full stop?

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    @Kevin Kerr: it’s happening in Azerbaijan, Nov 11th through Nov 22nd….. & You expect ANYBODY to take your ridiculous stable of trolling accounts seriously, lol

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    @Kevvy kerrr: that’s COP29. This particular article, the one we’re actually commenting on (well you’re trolling, not commenting) is about COP16 bio diversity summit which took place in Cali last month. I can’t believe that I actually needed to repeat this

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    @ecrowley ecrowley: They don’t seem to sleep either. Their comments seem to run 24hrs a day.

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    @ecrowley ecrowley: after the 4 evil years of death & destruction under biden— expert to see a LOT MORE RATIONAL debate sweetie

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    @Frank Mc Carthy: I told you Frank, you need an intervention.

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    @ecrowley ecrowley: my FAVOURITE ARCADE FIRE song!!!!

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    @HisMastersAlibi: You could almost say they’re very ‘woke’ ;)

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    @Frank Mc Carthy: oh but Trump will “drill baby drill”

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    Nov 9th 2024, 9:18 AM

    Comment section populated by expert scientists as usual. I see!

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    @Jack Hayes: AND trolls!!!!!

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    @Jack Hayes: It’s like air rushing into a vacuum. Is that something about climate or biodiversity? Deny! Deny! Say something about taxes!

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    @Brendan O’Brien: morning factor 50!!! C’mon get the whole stable on it!! I see you got rid of the chutes & d peader accounts???

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    @Jack Hayes: there is a valid reason no one listens to you

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:17 AM

    When our kids ask us “why did we bury our heads in the sand and jail those who spoke out”….

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    Nov 9th 2024, 8:25 AM

    @Mike B: who was jailed for speaking out?.

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    @Mike B: they are children, tell them to shut up

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:07 AM

    @Mike B: burying your head in sand AND jail those who spoke out—— that’ll go fax in the ‘X Factor’, lol

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    Nov 9th 2024, 11:50 AM

    @Paul M Doe: Like during claims of sexual abuse, but then again it wasn’t only children, it was Gardaí that we told to shut up or else. Bill Kennealy and cover ups still exist in the establishment. But of course for the people ha ha. Is it embarrassing that children understand the science behind climate chage more than you? Go on, attack Greta again, easier than accepting the scientific proof.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 12:14 PM

    @Brian D’Arcy: jog on shinners, your vile party are going to be obliterated and rightfully so :)

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    Nov 9th 2024, 11:16 AM

    The Chinese will flip this coin. America is sleeping down the global ladder, its incredible how they see the landscape of the future and capitalise on it, seems so simple, ‘Oh you need electric cars?… we have loads and they’re way cheaper’ lol!… Hope they can smash the elitist ‘tax-cabalists’ we have on this side of the world. Dont forget to ask your representatives why they tax us so hard and allow multinationals to do whatever they please in the ‘global economy’

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    Nov 9th 2024, 12:15 PM

    @Thesaltyurchin: slap a load of tariffs on that Chinese rubbish :)

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    @Paul M Doe: lol! It’s all future rubbish I suppose

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    Nov 9th 2024, 4:25 PM

    The cop 16 lot should cop on to the reality that us the great unwashed don’t give a fiddlers what these elites and so called celebrities and their hundreds of private jets do or say.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 2:51 PM

    The planet is destroyed

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    Nov 9th 2024, 7:02 PM

    @Fidelma Clarke: It’s not, the climate has always been changing, we need to adapt instead of wasting vast amounts of money on this new Climate Industry that has sprung up. The planet will still be here and functioning when we’re long gone – wheeeeeeeeeh!

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:36 AM

    Hmm. Having a scientific insight and opinion, yet not knowing the difference between ‘effect’, which I believe is a noun, and ‘affect’.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:49 AM

    @Athena: No, ‘effect’ is correct as a verb in this context. It means ’cause (something) to happen; bring about’ (Oxford Dictionaries).

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    Nov 9th 2024, 10:54 AM

    @Brendan O’Brien: Thank you, and apologies to the writer.

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    Nov 9th 2024, 12:16 PM

    So woke lol

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