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A general view of a plaque dedicated to Magdalane Laundry survivors in St Stephens Green in Dublin. Niall Carson/PA Wire/Press Association Images

'We still live in a Magdalene Ireland'

The waiting game continues for survivors of the Magdalen Laundries despite report confirming direct State involvement in the system.

CYNICAL. BIZARRE. BAFFLING. Disappointing. Disingenuous. Horrifying. Inept. Half-hearted. Shameful.

Those are just some of the words used today to describe Taoiseach Enda Kenny’s response to the Report of the Inter-Departmental Committee to establish the facts of State involvement with the Magdalen Laundries.

Survivors and advocacy groups expressed their disappointment at his failure to offer a full and official apology in the wake of Senator Martin McAleese confirming there was direct State involvement in the system.

“That is not an apology,” was a phrase expressed multiple times at two separate press conferences, held by Magdalene Survivors Together and the Justice for Magdalenes group, in Dublin’s city centre.

Mari Steed, the daughter of a Magdalene, went further in her criticism. “Today, if anything, showed us that Mr Kenny might eat his own words when he said we should no longer be living in a Magdalen Ireland. And I think we still are.” Her words were met with nods, and groans of agreement from the rest of the panel.

A corridor in the now derelict Sisters of Our Lady of Charity Magdalene Laundry on Sean McDermott St in Dublin’s north inner city. (Image: Julien Behal/PA Wire/Press Association Images)

Claire McGettrick of Justice for Magdalenes added, “To get up in the Dáil and refuse to apologise to a group of ageing, vulnerable group of women…is frankly cynical.”

“This could have been good day…this could have been a good news story. But it is continuing and prolonging the torture. These women want a bit of peace before they die.

“Dragging out this process is cynical, cruel, torturous and not good enough.”

Marina Gambold, a survivor speaks to TheJournal.ie, about her hopes for an apology. (Image: Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland)

Marina Gambold is a survivor hoping with fervour that she will hear an apology.

“I would love him to say it. I would cry with gladness.” She has previous experience of how the words could help.

“I’d love him to say it because Bertie Aherne done it to the other schools. I was happy that day because my brother was in Artane. An apology to me would mean the world, a million dollars.”

Finding herself without adult family at the age of 16, the Wexford native was taken by a priest to the Sisters of the Good Shepherd laundry in New Ross.

“The day I went in, I was so sad when she said your name isn’t Marina anymore, it’s Fidelma.

“My brother when he came to find me when he came out of Artane school, he came in and [the sister] said, ‘Who are you looking for?’ and he said Marina Byrne. I thought it was very sad, he looked for me for three years. He is in Australia now – he’d never come back.”

(They now have a great relationship and talk most days. She also has another brother who she did not meet until he ws 15 years old.)

“I would love to have been brought up with my mother and father. I always felt as if I wasn’t normal,” the 78-year-old told TheJournal.ie. “They put a lot of fear into us.”

Maureen Sullivan reacts during a press conference this afternoon. (Image: Sasko Lazarov/Photocall Ireland)

Marina was one of four survivors to talk during the Magdalene Survivors Together press conference following the release of the report. While they all welcomed the publiction for its ability to show they were “telling the truth” about their past.

They shared horror stories of their time in the laundries; of being fed nothing but bread and dripping or watered-down milk, of punishments which included eating that inhumane meal off the floor or being locked on an outdoor balcony for two day and two nights, of 15-hour work days which left them with “housemaid’s knees”.

The common painful memory of all four women was when their names were changed on entering the institutions.

“They took my name, they took my identity,” said Maureen Sullivan. They also took the school books and pencil case she had brought with her, along with the expectation or reality of an education.

“I will go to the grave with the pain,” Mary Smyth proclaimed. “It is soul destroying. Worse than prison.”

What happens now?

Barrister Maeve O’Rourke explains that the incidence of abuse, forced paid work and incarceration across Ireland’s 10 Magdalene Laundries had been established prior to this report.

What Martin McAleese has provided today is proof that some of the excuses previously made by the State in relation to the women who survived the system are untrue. When Magdalenes were omitted from the Ryan commission and the Residential Institutions Redress Board it was because the laundries were described as private entities, run independently of the State.

When asked about State collusion or commitals, Ministers have claimed that the majority of women entered the facilities of their own free will and that no children were found in the convent dormitories.

“All those things – the idea that there weren’t children in the laundries, the idea that the State didn’t refer women and girls there and the idea that the State didn’t know because the State wasn’t inspecting – all those three reasons have been proved to be untrue,” said O’Rourke.

“UNCAT is watching this very carefully. It gave a one year deadline in June 2011 for not only an independent and thorough investigation but also for the women to obtain redress within that time. It is not going away from their desk and the Irish government goes to different human rights committees every year or two years.”

Katherine O’Donnell, also of JFM warns that the issue is not going away.

“There is significant international interest. There is international spotlight on Ireland and the news today is that there is absolute irrefutable evidence of State involvement in the Magdalen Laundry system and the State has refused to apologise. And that’s the story that’s going to be out there for the next two weeks, watching to see what the Government does.”

Samantha Long, who told her mother Margaret’s story on Twitter and to TheJournal.ie recently, is somewhat optimistic at the end of a day she described as “lonely”.

“We’ve been waiting so long for this. The report is very long and there’s a lot to digest. I’m glad that Senator McAleese’s inquiry has confirmed that there was State involvement in the Magdalene Laundries and I’m anticipating the Dáil debate in two weeks time. I really would like to hear a full State apology because that is what most of us are waiting for, as opposed to money or anything else.

“I hope the Taoiseach or the Minister for Justice find it in their hearts to to that for the women, for my late mother. She can’t have anything else, only a moral victory. That’s all that she wants. I hope for that for her.”

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    Mute David O Brien
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    Jun 29th 2013, 7:50 AM

    How come none of our well paid TDs in the Dail did not explore this option following the bank guarantee (ie hold a referendum and ask the people if they wanted to risk €60,000,000,000 on Anglo et al) – Keaveney needs to stop playing silly buggers – Colm either shut up or get up of your parliamentary posterior and set up your own party. We’ve all had enough talk and tapes this week.

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    Mute Bramley Hawthorne
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    Jun 29th 2013, 7:39 AM

    A ‘lot of TDs’, including Mr Coveney, are also in for a shock when they find out the voters have moved on from the old right-wing Catholic conformity.

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    Mute J Ní Shuilleabháin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 7:36 AM

    So he wants women to be forced to continue a pregnancy against thier will which the UN has said is torture?

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    Mute Domhnall O'Griofa
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    Jun 29th 2013, 10:43 AM

    I suppose the ripping apart, limb by limb of an innocent baby is not torture! Deluded pro aborts show their ugly side once again

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    Mute Little Jim
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    Jun 29th 2013, 11:18 AM

    Domhnall, that’s a ridiculous and immature comment on such a sensitive subject.
    Can we deal with the facts here?

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    Mute werejammin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 11:33 AM

    Ignore domhnall, he’s a youth defense shill. All they have is shock tactics and tantrum language.

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    Mute Erica Corcoran
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    Jun 29th 2013, 11:50 AM

    Pro aborts gets me every time haha. It’s hard to believe that they (YD), are a serious group, when all they sound like are bullies in the playground.
    I can’t wait to see their reaction when abortion will be legal!

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    Mute Egg Mcmuffin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 12:40 PM

    Why are we still being subjected to the musings of Keaveney? He’s just another Independent TD now. I think there are two hotlines in the Journal office, one direct to Pearse Doherty and one straight to Keaveney.

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    Mute Laura
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    Jun 29th 2013, 2:07 PM

    ‘I suppose the ripping apart, limb by limb of an innocent baby is not torture!’

    Of course that’s torture. But nothing to do with abortion.

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    Mute Morgan McCabe
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    Jun 29th 2013, 8:42 AM

    Keavney just relinquished his mandate, and left his electorate swinging in the wind. You can’t have it every way Colm! Tough decisions , jump ship!!! Pathetic !

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    Mute Conor Declan
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    Jun 29th 2013, 9:01 AM

    Sure the reason he left the Labour Party was for the abortion legislation rather than cuts, sure he’s having talks with Ganly, he’s jumped ship to join right wing politics

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    Mute Scrap Croke Park1
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    Jun 29th 2013, 10:42 AM

    I seriously doubt Ganley would let that muppet make coffee

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    Mute Mary Costello
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    Jun 29th 2013, 8:10 AM

    “A new referendum removing suicide as a grounds for abortion would also have to include other issues, said Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar.

    He said he did not believe it would be possible to vote a third time on the issue without asking questions on allowing terminations on the grounds of rape, alleged rape, incest, the health of the mother or in the case of a foetus incompatible with life.

    “People who are pro-life in this House, or outside of this House, who are calling for referendums should be careful about what they wish for because they do not know, for example, how big a Pandora’s Box they may open.’”

    I say let the people decide. But any referendum must be worded to suit the people NOT the Catholic church!!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/varadkar-says-new-abortion-referendum-would-have-to-be-about-more-than-suicide-1.1445548

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    Mute werejammin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 11:18 AM

    “THE NEWLY-INDEPENDENT TD Colm Keaveney has claimed there are “a lot of people curious” about the possibility of invoking Article 27 of the Constitution and forcing a referendum on the Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill.”

    “A lot of people are curious” as to how a legislator i.e. YOU feels they can oppose legislating for two previous referenda and a supreme court decision. You are obliged to legislate in support of supreme court decisions. if you refuse to do your job, you should resign your seat.

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    Mute Stephen Howlin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 12:35 PM

    I am kinda curious myself, let it go to a referendum and pass and see the next excuse that he comes up with.

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    Mute Nick Beard
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    Jun 29th 2013, 3:16 PM

    He’ll claim that we can’t POSSIBLY be sure without four referendums. Maybe five.

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    Mute Margaret O'Keeffe
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    Jun 29th 2013, 9:59 AM

    I very respectfully suggest that Deputy Keaveney needs to stop now.

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    Mute Zoe Daly
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    Jun 29th 2013, 3:48 PM

    What? – censor him?
    so much for ” freedom of speech”!

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    Mute Oisín Ó Dubhláin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 9:44 AM

    Nobody cares what Keaveney thinks.

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    Mute eastpoint
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    Jun 29th 2013, 9:59 AM

    I suppose mr keavney has to keep in the news somehow -

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    Mute Ronan O Siochain
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    Jun 29th 2013, 9:48 AM

    Why not take what’s on offer? This is the bare minimum! However, the fact that women will still have to go to England to abort foetuses that inevitably will not survive is a shocking disgrace. Lets face it, our legislators are, in the main,cowards and hypocrites.

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    Mute Mary Costello
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    Jun 29th 2013, 8:14 AM

    “A new referendum removing suicide as a grounds for abortion would also have to include other issues, said Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar.

    He said he did not believe it would be possible to vote a third time on the issue without asking questions on allowing terminations on the grounds of rape, alleged rape, incest, the health of the mother or in the case of a foetus incompatible with life.

    “People who are pro-life in this House, or outside of this House, who are calling for referendums should be careful about what they wish for because they do not know, for example, how big a Pandora’s Box they may open.’”

    I say have a referendum and let the people decide once and for all. But the referendum MUST be worded to suit the people NOT the Catholic church or the extreme right wing politicians!!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/varadkar-says-new-abortion-referendum-would-have-to-be-about-more-than-suicide-1.1445548

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    Mute patrick bond
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    Jun 29th 2013, 7:52 AM

    I am glad to seeAt last the right minded TDs and senators working together for the common good
    Most people know FinnGael and labour are only puppets for Europe

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    Mute rodrigo detriano
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    Jun 29th 2013, 8:09 AM

    The economy was destroyed and our TD’s didn’t say a word about it. Now they’re all up in arms because women might be given a tiny bit more say in how to run their lives. The country is a farce.

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    Mute Paul Morrissey
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    Jun 29th 2013, 8:27 AM

    Go back to mass Patrick.

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    Mute Egg Mcmuffin
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    Jun 29th 2013, 1:01 PM

    Yes, Rodrigo. And you are one of the reasons our economy is in tatters..

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    Mute Jen Dalton
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    Jul 1st 2013, 5:54 PM

    Funny, never once in the reasons given for the recession in our economy did anyone ever tell me that it was Rodrigo Detriano’s fault in any way.

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    Mute Aindriú de Domhain
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    Jun 29th 2013, 11:58 AM

    Can everyone agree to stop paying attention to Deputy Keavney, please?

    The only thing Colm cares about is Colm. Abortion, the economy, democracy…they’re just a means for Colm to increase his profile. The sooner people stop reacting to him, the sooner we’ll forget him, then he can be turfed out at the next election, and go back to being an ineffective union rep.

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    Mute Ryan Murphy
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    Jun 29th 2013, 3:24 PM

    They’ll get another ten articles out of this interview yet.

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    Mute Daisy Chainsaw
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    Jun 29th 2013, 1:23 PM

    I’m fascinated to know where this fear and mistrust of women stems from. Are the likes of Keaveney so scared that the moment free, safe, abortion becomes legal in Ireland that we’ll all be queueing round the block for one like they’re Michael Buble tickets.

    Is it so necessary for religious groups and politicians to actively campaign for the continued control of women’s movements, rights and health in the 21st century?

    There will NEVER be a situation where a man will be told he has to wait for treatment until his medical condition threatens his life as opposed to his health. So why is it okay for these men to dictate these restrictions to women?

    The 8th amendment hasn’t saved lives. It’s killed women. We need rid of it now.

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    Mute Dermot O'Reilly
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    Jun 29th 2013, 2:21 PM

    TDs who vote for this “pro-abortion” legislation are behaving like “turkeys voting for Christmas”"

    Kill the Bill not the chid!

    Hiding behind the whip won’t help TDs in the next election!

    Where is Fine Gael’s pre-election undertaking today.

    “Fine Gael in Government will not legislate for abortion”! Or will it break its promise?

    Does Fine Gael intend to break its pre-election promise?

    How can any voter vote for Fine Gael in the future?

    Fine Gael has deceived the Irish People!

    Enda please tell the truth:-

    How many lives will your Bill save?

    How many lives will your Bill kill?

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    Mute Conor Farrell
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    Jun 29th 2013, 2:35 PM

    Yawn.

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    Mute Daisy Chainsaw
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    Jun 29th 2013, 3:25 PM

    Women have been killed as a result of being denied treatment under the 8th amendment.

    Would you stand for being told that your tumour/heart disease/diabetes isn’t going to be treated until it’s life threatening? Why do you insist women do?

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    Mute Margaret O'Keeffe
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    Jul 1st 2013, 4:36 PM

    A really excellent point.

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    Mute Zoe Daly
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    Jun 29th 2013, 3:10 PM

    Colm Keaveney mentioned on one of the papers today, that he is concerned about the lack of time limit, in the proposed legislation.
    A lot of people share that concern.

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    Mute Paul Keenan
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    Jun 29th 2013, 4:21 PM

    @ Zoe – if you have a time limit and the mother’s life is in danger after the limit do you deny an abortion?

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    Mute Zoe Daly
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    Jun 29th 2013, 4:36 PM

    I have no problem with termination, where the mothers life is in danger.
    For example in a life saving medical emergency.
    No one disputes that.

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    Mute Paul Keenan
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    Jun 29th 2013, 4:45 PM

    @ Zoe – some people do dispute it and state abortion should not be allowed even then.
    This Bill does not go far enough – no provision for fatal abnormalities, that a doctor can choose not to perform the procedure is appalling (what if a woman’s life is so in danger and a doctor opts out through conscience and another can’t be found quickly enough? Also the legal part – could this mean 14 years for taking the RU486?
    More freedom is needed.

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    Mute Shanti Om
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    Jun 30th 2013, 4:05 AM

    Funny Zoe, you say you don’t dispute it – yet that’s all they are legislating for and you are quite vocal in your opposition..

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    Mute Margaret O'Keeffe
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    Jul 1st 2013, 4:35 PM

    Yes, Zoe. However, it is very, very difficult in clinical scenarios to make the health/life distinction.

    The late Mrs. Savitaa Halappanavar would probably be alive now if an abortion on health grounds had been permissible in this State.

    It is important to remember this very salient point when discussing abortion.

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