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FROZEN BURGER SALES have fallen by 42 per cent in the wake of the horsemeat scandal, according to figures published today.
Kantar Worldpanel in Ireland has published consumer data for the 12 weeks to the 17 February finding that in the four weeks to the same date, sales of frozen burgers in Irish supermarkets fell by 42 per cent.
Kantar, which monitors the grocery purchasing habits of 3,000 demographically representative households in Ireland, says that so far the impact of the horsemeat scandal on supermarkets has only been in consumers changing their habits rather than where they do their shopping.
For individual supermarkets Aldi has enjoyed sales growth of 29 per cent, increasing its overall market share in Ireland from 4.6 per cent last year to 5.9 per cent so far this year.
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“What is notable from Aldi’s performance is that it has grown sales of fruit and vegetables – the most valuable grocery category – by 39 per cent this year,” David Berry, Kantar Worldpanel’s commercial director, said.
Among the three biggest supermarkets – Tesco, Dunnes and SuperValu – only Dunnes increased its market share noticeably with 4.1 per cent sales growth.
The growth in the market of just under one per cent is the highest level since December 2011 with Kantar saying this is attributable to the increase in grocery prices.
Grocery inflation is at 5.8 per cent for the three month period ending 17 February, which is the highest level since September 2008 when grocery inflation was recorded at 6.2 per cent.
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If you’re willing to sacrifice yourself do it now and call an election.
Fair comment. I can see Donoghue’s point. But it will be too late by then. If he wants the voters to use the ballot box then there has to be an election now so that they can use it. I can’t imagine any voters who would disagree with or object to this?
translates into – ” I am Denis O’Brien’s Whipping Boy , please don’t stop Denis from making money!”…. if you’re cynical like me – that is !
The best thing about all of this is that when SF get into power and reveal the full extent of the corruption that has taken place in this country over the last 50 years or so, FG/FF/LAB will be consigned to the history books for ever more. Viva la revolution!
Who will reveal SF malaise when they’re in power? The party who wont even allow dissent in their ranks?
Sergeant – the thing about Sinn Fein is not the leadership or its idolising of its leader or indeed the stupidity of not allowing its members to vote on matters of conscience – which makes them as bad as any of the others – The thing about Sinn Fein is that among its supporters are very very serious southern republicans – people who believe in Ireland – so if the leadership of Sinn Fein do get into power then they will have to toe the republican line or they will be taken out of office !
Take my anger out during the elections? No problem, ya don’t have you ask me twice.
Minister, with all due respect, you must think wecare fools – this is not about muttering, being unhappy and voting you out of office in 18 months. This is about stopping something now and some form of confrontation is required (peaceful obstruction) – we are not letting this EU Bondholder Tax become a fact………oh – and rest assured we’ll still vote you out.
Have an election now on the issue if he is so sure what he and his party have done to the people of Ireland.
He and Fine Gale and Labour would sell their grannies to cling on to power they are a disgrace pure and simple put it to the electorate now.
And just who are you going to vote in ?
The guy has a pair unlike the small minority of thugs that are taking over the decent people who do not want IW in its present form but who are dignified in their protests.
Give us an election now..
What about people that definitely don’t want the water meters and they go and talk to in workers what if they start saying things we are here to put meters in and that’s it then it call on the do called garda of this country to protect them even if nothing is happening the people that have already been hurt for just standing around protesting and the garda won’t say if they were the ones that started the problem in the first place. NO MATTER WHAT THE GOVERNMENT THROUGH AT US WE WILL STILL PROTEST TO GET THE WATERS CHARGES ABOLISHED.
David
You should avoid intimidation by not making such comments. The real issue is the extent to which this site has been undermined by a very nasty element who cannot deal with any challenge to their position without lashing out in a very antisocial and threatening way.
Democracy isn’t about shouting the loudest or being the most aggressive as they believe.
It was appalling to see Sinn Fein elements quite comfortably in the company of Dissident IRA elements in both Santry and Coolock as if they were joined at the hip. When the abuse being hurled at the Gardai is listened to we should all be very afraid.
It appears that funding for opposition voices isn’t about raffles and dinners and members donations anymore but rather the illegal activities of criminals who provide security and protection services and the profits from smuggled cigarettes and laundered diesel
When someone raises these subjects the standard Company Policy Statement is …..” if any citizen has evidence of criminal activity they should take it to the police” !
When will we grow up as an electorate.
@ David you obviously believe the media in this country portraying people as sinister or republican dissidents who have hijacked the IW protests, this is a scare tactic to undermine the protest. I was present at Coolock station and previously at Clarehall when scuffles broke out and on both occasions thuggish behaviour was evident from both sides ( Garda & Protesters) but I challenge any man to stand on the sideline while your mother, sister, daughter or neighbour is physically removed or verbally abused for peacefully protesting in an area they have lived all there lives. It is much harder to restrain yourself in these situations but it is telling that not one arrest has been made for assault against a Gardai . Bad language and pushing are not life threatining and as for dissident republicans hijacking the protest it’s so funny it’s laughable. People film these situations as a form of protection and also to spread the message on social media. Join the fight back. Coolock Says No
Hugh – So Hugh – You were there , were you and you recognised all the various Members of all the Groups ?
What utter claptrap – you sound like a card carrying FG Member and Journalist with Denis O’Briens Indo Group ?
Please , don’t continue with such porky pies – you are just making a bigger fool of yourself , then Paschal Donoghue did already today !
Yes Hugh, democracy now seems to be to do everything in your power to go against the people that voted for you. Ignore them and then complain of the consequences. Think most of us have had enough of this type of democracy.
Now pardon me if I’m wrong Hugh, but isn’t it normal in every society to let the police deal with criminals? I think you are getting a bit deluded!
@ Hugh what’s appalling is your lack of knowledge in regard to dissident republicans and the Coolock area as the locals well know the dissidents became involved in a feud with a powerful local drug gang some three years ago and the dissidents lost. This feuding was well reported within the media with the subsequent death of the dissident leader and his two lieutenants (within 18months ) so for main stream media and people like you who portray Coolock as a hive of dissident activity it shows how gullible and out of touch with common sentiments you really are.
Bet you believe in the bogeyman as well Hugh. You know that tired old crap you’re peddling has had its day?
Gerry – Hugh Cavanagh aka Richard Rodgers , number One FG Troll and Official Troll Spokesperson for An Taoiseach , Enda Kenny and more recently , the Puppeteer in charge – Denis O’Brien !
What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tick tock Hugh, tick tock!
“The answer is not to take it out on people that are doing a hard job for an average wage.” ???
Ehh Paschal???
What what I’ve seen of these guys, they look more like a bunch of heavy handed thugs in Hi vis Jackets bullyboying pensioners and other concerned citizens.
If they worked for me, I’d sack them for endangering members of the public.
And your gone along with the rest of your crowd at the next ballot box.
FF’s pennyboys.
Hugh kavanagh, that’s the biggest load of waffle i’ve heard in a long time. You are doing exaclty what you accuse others of. As for growing up, we have. We dont buy into government spin and propaganda any more.
Suddenly this week all the talk from our elected reps is about ” fringe elements, violence, intimidation, violent behaviour,unacceptable levels of personal attacks “. Never a better sign that the government has lost the fight about water charges. Throw enough mud around and some will stick. A poor , poor attempt to disrupt the increasing level of resistance to a tax to pay back bondholders, NOT a water conservation exercise. Scrap water tax now or go down in history as the most punitive government in Irish history.
The Government is at the old trick Divide and Conquer but it won’t work,if enough people don’t pay this corrupt extra water charge (we already pay) then this government will be brought down.
Will revenue pursue and prosecute those people in government who avoided tax charges
not under this government glenoir – but under a new one then I feel that there are a lot of crooks who have appeared on television will get to experience a jail cell –
If I had an Ansbacher account and If I was a crooked politician to boot then I would be talking to George Forsey about how the prison life is and not be trying to get myself evicted from office by backing John Tierney and co.
All hail Fred Forsey.
One man carrying the can.
3 successive governments including this one have ignored – according to reports- serious illegal tax avoidance – what makes any politician in Government worth listening to or worth their salary for that matter ?
But according to Joan Burton the tax issue was already investi….. Ah f*ck it.Sorry I couldn’t finish that with a straight face.
I was laughing at the according to Joa…didn’t even have to read the “n”.
they are really for the high jump now though poncing around bullying people with edicts and they the worst tax-dodgers in the State !
In fact do the Iirsh citizens have to pay tax anymore given the precedent established by the recent revelations etc.
We had the Irish Water rep on our estate a few days ago. Unfortunately i accidently on purpose parked my car on the water meter thingybob and there he was in OUR driveway, brazen as you like, taking pictures of my car.
I found his behaviour INTIMIDATING!!!!!
Don’t worry Sinead the people who are going to sort these cowboys are being forced out of silence – change is coming and coming fast !
Dermot
My reading of the story states quite clearly that Revenue examined the complaint as did the Gardai through the Fraud Squad and a file was sent to the DPP who decided there were no grounds for a prosecution.
Now we have the PAC Squad wanting to have their piece of the action and all on the basis of what sounds like an old gossip monger from the Public Service!
I wouldn’t say any of that if the DPP hadn’t been involved as we have learned of the absolute independence of that role over many many years!
If he’d have come onto my property sinead, he’d have met a very large dog
What a load of waffle.
The cases the DPP put forward for prosecution seem to depend on the personalities involved from time to time!
It’s very refreshing to see someone with such trust in the arms of the State Hugh.
I just wish your optimism had some basis in truth
Hugh, I seem to remember the same tactics been used against the Garda whistleblowers, character assassination and name calling, it didn’t work then and won’t work this time, change is coming, Fine Gael and Labour are finishe!
If ,for example ,a minister say for finance* has been investigated for tax fraud don’t you think the Irish people should have been made aware of it ? Even if there was nothing there the fact that the investigation was hushed up should be investigated.FG would scream blue murder at even the suggestion that SF or an independant MIGHT have done such a thing.
On the plus side I can’t imaging Joan will be taking too many cheap pot shots across the floor of the Dail for a while.
*Just an an example.Not an accusation.
Hugh Cavanagh – AKA – Richard Rodgers ?
Well known FG “Spokesperson”
It took me just a few minutes to recognise your condescending and put down style Richard !!!!
Dermot.. I have seen plenty of protests against government policies in my time. And they all fizzle out. However i believe the Irish are going to see this to the bitter end. The only outcome we will be happy with is the end of Irish Water AND this shameful government.
Good spot kerry man
Just go onto its facebook page and report it for trolling and using a false account.
Facebook will ban the fool and block the ip.
It was, just the “independent DPP” chose not to prosecute, just like the person who got away with the fire at the Stardust #JFS48
@Hugh or Richie or whatever your name is this week….what a crock of sheet you…the DPP assess a case based on the file sent to them by the Gardai. Since the claimant has no authority to view the file sent to the DPP by the Gardai, the claimant has no way of knowing whether the Gardai acted corruptly by omitting vital pieces of evidence. The whole system is smoke and mirrors and hence why there is one law for the elites and one for the rest of us plebs. I am talking from experience here as I have witnessed at first hand how the DPPs office works. The whole system is rotten to the core. I cannot wait for the day until SF get in to office and they reveal all of the skeletons in the FF/FG/LAB closets and consign them to the history books for ever more. And that day is approaching fast. Viva la revolution!
Very true
Hugh – The D.P.P. ? Are you having a laugh ?
Did you hear why Garret’s son left the E.S.R.I. during the week – he hightailed it kinda sharpish – I hope it’s not health reasons !
You’re not suggesting that Garret the Good, was evading tax even after all the debt forgiveness he enjoyed? How too unseemly!
My reading of it is very little as I read very little about it, why was this not spoken about in the dail? Why is the DPP not and independent entity?
Mr Donohue,
The next reshuffle you experience will, indeed, be a life changing reshuffle for you.
You have now challenged the people to dump you on the scrap heap.
Your wish will be fulfilled.
Here here.
Irish water shouldn’t exist in the first place.
And how is a 20 meter exclusion zone around the installation going to work.
How will people come and go from there own homes freely if there installing a meter out the front.
No one should be rioting, simple, but to he’ll with waiting for the GE in 16 or 18 months time to take it out on you in the ballot box, IW needs to be abolished now you twit
Don’t worry,your reply is on its way.
IW are a non entity and that is it.
Passed a protest outside the Topaz garage on the Malahide road earlier today, It’s ratcheting up.
When i say passed it i mean drove by.
Protest in Carlow topaz today as well.
Nobody passing.
Mike, a quick question, if ya don’t mind. When you’re cruising on your boat, is the water in the taps at the jettys drinkable?
We bring our own water to drink Niamh.
Our deck fillers can allow contamination due to the nature of filling.
Also out water tanks are over 10 years old so we drop a few milton tabs to keep it safe.
It’s grand for tea,brushing teeth,washing etc and to answer yoir next question we do pay for it in our marina fees.
It clearly states that waste disposal,toilets/showers, water & parking is included.
Thanks for the reply mike. I was just thinking of filling up a few drums of it for the house!
Sure why not Niamh.
Some marinas have their own well’s and the water is flouride free.
Are you up north Shannon or South ?
I live in roscommon and would only have to cross a bridge to get leitrim water I wouldn’t have to boil.
His words are going to come back to haunt him. Let’s hope Election time comes very, very quickly and we can take our anger out on your parties begging for votes on our doorstep. I’ll be waiting with my bucket of freezing cold water. Now that’s an ice bucket nomination, i want to see.
Great idea Bob. Will it be rain water, or it’s toxic cousin Irish Water.
I think whatever comes out of your taps, be it sludge or lead filled milky substance, that Irish Gravy want to charge you for. And see how they would like to shower in it.
Lets make this Irelands Ice Bucket Challenge.
Give us an election so – or all that talk is just cowardice –
Care to comment on the Ansbacher Accounts Paschal ?
Someone is ready for retirement.
No, not retirement, but it does read like somebody knows they’re way out of their depth.
Take it out on me and let me head off with my nice cushy pension
Shame on the government and the controlled meda in Ireland trying to make something huge out of what is essentially a tiny minority of people protesting. The tens of thousands of people all over this country protested and you tried to ignore it, there was very little coverage and played down numbers , now that it suits you, it warrants headlines and massive coverage. You are the ones that are responsible for putting the workers and Garda in this position by forcing this disgusting, corrupt, immoral quango on to the people who pay you to represent them. If people are angry it is because you are selling us up the Swanee for your thirty pieces of silver. What reeally rankles with you is the fact that the people are waking up and it is coming as a surprise to you. We are angry and we are not taking anymore !! Abolish his quango now and have a referendum while your at it. Then there will be no need for us to take to the streets. C’mon Enda what are you afraid of ? Referendum now ! !
An interesting read regarding media bias and political disinformation about the water meter protesters – http://oireachtasretort.tumblr.com/post/102073020165/are-irish-water-protesters-assaulting-three-gardai-a
RTE..(Representing The Elite)…this pathetically and embarrassingly inept FG/Lab government, the corrupt tax dodging friend of FG..Denis O Brien, his Gardai army and his fascist non news empire are pulling out all the stops to condemn peoples legitimate protests to their cowardly surrendering of our natural resources to private companies as some sort of terrorist activity.
This country has become the most corrupt hole on this earth and that’ll be FG’s legacy.
don’t we will take it out on the liars in government Labour will be lucky to be in government in the next 20 years fine gael will also suffer
After the next election, you and your party will be history.The mafia are looking for recruits
15 months is a long time in politics.
Sargeant,
Your truly deluded if you think this Government will last fifteen months…
Seek Help Yates.
They have the largest majority in the history of the state.. If lab pull out now they will be obliterated.. So if you want to put a pet on go ahead.
If Labour don’t pull out they will be obliterated, only chance Labour have is to bring the government down over the Irish water scam! This joke of a coalition will be treated with the utmost contempt at the general election, what an achievement for Kenny and Burton, the utter ruin of their parties.
Do they take the irish public for fools. It’s my and every other free citizens right to protest and this 20 meter exclusion zone is only the start of a numder of court rulings to stop people being able to demonstrate. Another of endas little nazi party fools coming out with stupid comments.
Very oppressive government we have running this country. They think we are here to serve them not them serve us
If they want the people to decide with the ballot box then why not call an election now , the people would be happy to show them the road .
Pascal,
to put it nicely
“Go away and make love to yourself”….
“Sinister fringe” “darker element” “harassing” these are the buzz words that are now being used in association with the therm peaceful protest ….. Hope it won’t put people off…… that this is the psychology being used by these statements from RTE and it’s puppet masters
It won’t put people off. It is putting peoples backs up even more.
I hope so
Donohue is a complete lightweight. How he got to be a Minister I don’t know , but he reminds me of a ventriloquist’s dummy. Toes the party line unfailingly, and seems bereft of original thinking . Vincent Browne regularly dismantled him. I reckon he’s playing “messenger boy” on this issue.
The Campaign doesn’t need troublemakers, and the focus should be on the positive outcome of the protests. Bottom line is The Government/Irish Water screwed up , and no amount of bluster will change that fact!
Call an election now and let us rid ourselves of the corrupt parasites.
Translation…let the lads fit the meters it will keep the eu happy, I don’t care about the irish people I’ll get my pension and a handy job working for the eu.
The water meters have nothing to do with the EU or the Troika. Preparing our water infrastructure for future privatisation has been Fine Gael policy since before the Troika set foot here.
Long before that Tom. They also tried to bring in Water Charges the last time they were in power in 1996 -about the same time a certain Mobile Licence was given under dubious circumstances to a certain individual who was recently given a €300 million debt write off to buy a number of businesses from NAMA which happened to cost €300 million.- in essence he got the businesses from NAMA free.
Then would it not make more sense to fix the water network first.
Let’s conserve water by digging up roads and installing meters while a large proportion of clean treated water is lost.
Doesn’t make sense to me.
And did they not say that if to much water is conserved that the price of water will go up.
Irish water is one of the biggest cons a government has pulled off on there own people.
The same people who they promised during the last election that we would not have to pay for water.
Now folks let them put in the meters and come the election vote them out sure you ve be all being doing this protest wrong …., you can politely f@@k off minister
Maybe the figures for water protesters arrested for assault should be released and not lumped in with those arrested for obstruction to make them look artificial high but that won’t happen as the lie would be shown up
When it comes to this government,judge the future by the past.
Later that night, a protest outside Coolock Garda Station turned violent, and some protesters alleged that pepper spray was used to try and disperse the crowd (gardaí wouldn’t say whether it was or not) – So the Gardai can do as they please and no one is accountable to what they do??? Rough justice if you ask me.
Also Minister please pick up your P45 and leave, and take all the other so called ministers with you. Please close the door on your way out.
Brendan
Look at the film clips and listen to the dialogue and you would never make that statement unless you were biased or of impaired judgement.
I have seen many clips, of the heavy handed approach with the Gardai and I am not biased or nor do I have impaired judgement. I am simply stating the facts, perhaps you are the one with the impaired judgement.
Hugh – Richard Rodgers – well known FG Troll – isn’t that you ?????????
The picture in this link should put it beyond doubt if the Gardaí used pepper spray or not.
And the guy he is spraying is on the ground…what a cowardly act!
I have friends in the Gardai and I actually find myself trying to avoid them because of the despicable behavior of their colleagues around the country. (Water protests and Shell spring to mind). I have zero faith in the Gardai anymore.
He’s probably not running in the next
Elections anyway,
Lol,lol,lol,lol……Ah it gets better every time!
Like or not … but Pascal you know nothing about nothing… How can you be in such complete denial… .. we will take it out on every member of this coalition at the ballot box.. sometime in the new year….. the people are giving you a mandate now.. Please don’t ignore the electorate…
I have seen tons of videos and no violence so what the minister is proposing is the we will let him no in the ballot box now I don’t know about anyone else but I would not call that a protest just let them go ahead with he metering and then tell him how you feel but by then the government will have got what they want and the people as usual will have more money taken out of an already tempt pocket there has been no violence on any of the videos and if they have proof let them reveal it he says people are just trying to do a days work will I would like to remind the minister that after years of austerity the people are just trying to protect their family’s from going under any further
Fortunately Pat, you can do both (I don’t live in Ireland any more or I would too!), protest the installation of meters AND kick the government out on the next election. The minister doesn’t seem to realise that these things are not mutually exclusive, or maybe he does and this is just his feeble attempt at damage control.
Pascal, if you’re serious then lead by example & fall on your sword. If not then your ‘government’ may just not see out its full term.
When those in power deny your freedom. The only path to freedom is power. Nelson Mandela. Some people only understand force.
Or vote in the election like everyone else of course
Paschal I work for the minium wage I also work hard for this wage to support my family. Irish water employes are getting bonuses even the un
We don’t want to wait until the elections. We want you and your cronies out now.
The workers who are installing water meters do not deserve to be abused. They are only doing their jobs.
I don’t think so John. Nobody forced them to join iw, they did so of there own free will, wonder if jobsbridge is being used. The guards are being heavy handed and not being impartial in their dealings with protesters, the legality of forcing contracts on people has been conveniently ignored, on the late late last week a solicitor brought it up and was quickly dismissed from the conversation. If for example bord gais came to your house and forced you to be a customer with the back up of the guards in tow are you telling me you’d be ok with that,
Well they know by now they are working for corrupt criminals.
Do these chaps deserve our support?
They are a bunch of ignorant thugs.
They did not join Irish water Cupid stunt. They work for contractors
You know what I mean. Your just being pedantic now. By association these people are working for iw. They aren’t working for McDonalds now are they. So what’s your point?
There is always one “they are only doing their job” idiot but they never see that Hitler’s henchmen were only doing their job as well.
Righty Ho, my brave, lisping little warrior. I will arrange an appointment to do just that. I take it physical violence is an option?
Pascal thinks ordinary paddy is stupid. Let DOB carry onn has KENNY promised him IW
Sure that’s inevitable ol Paschal your all gonna be desamated come the next elections and the Irish people will still stand their ground and oppose the Irish Water farce
I can’t wait for the next election.
Certainly if you believe all on here all our problems will evaporate once we have one.
Newsflash. No matter who the next government is they will face the same problems and despite what some might tell you there are no vastly wealthy people out there just waiting to be taxed into oblivion to solve all your problems.
Be careful what you wish for.
The first thing that might disappear are all the politicians who have sat quietlty or appeared boastfully as if they are worth something while at the same time they or their colleagues have been involved in one of the biggest tax cover-ups in the history of the State –
I wish for those type of to be jailed – the only way that can happen is for a new government to be elected and Fianna Fail and Fine Gael to be not only barred from political life but to have all funds in their party coffers removed and spent on buying sledgehammers with which the tax dodging politicians can break rocks for as long as the people decide !
I may be wrong but only a politician with a hidden bank account or one of their cronies would disagree with the contention !
Totally different issue. White collar criminals should be jailed. By all means give Ivor Callely a few cell mates.
But that’s not going to solve our six billion euro deficit next year. There is no mythical group of super rich who will happily six around being taxed into oblivion to pay all out expenses and debts.
Are you not familiar with the monies that have been secreted offshore by at least one judge , god knows how many politicians and their cronies Alan – that’s a big plug in the deficit straight away –
Actions speak louder than words Alan and Fine Gael and Fianna FAIL seem to be up to their necks in Ansbacher –
The failure of the Tribunals also make a mockery of the proposed Banking Inquiry – particularly if reports are correct that a sitting Minister – appointed by Enda Kenny (T.D FOR Mayo), has known about this all along !
In 1918 the Irish got sick of foreign promises carried by local servants and set up their own Dail – History repeats and Enda and co. seem about as legitimate as a used condom in a puddle of vomit !
Ivor is taking a High Court challenge at the moment …. Something to do with him serving a full sentence ..He’s been discriminated against.
stop paying the banks and the bond holder, stop paying back a debt to the ecb that is not ours, stop paying over the top pensions to ‘retired t.ds and public servants who are under retirement age , stop paying anything to former politicians until they are ‘tax compliant ‘ .there you go that should cover a fair chunk of the 6 billion deficit !
The government will evaporate Alan, and the water tax scam, that’s a good start, if the coalition are so sure of themselves they should call the election now!
You do know who the bondholders are? People who lent us money. So you want to not pay them back. You want to default.
Go back to bed FFS.
Do you know why we needed the bailout? Because we were forced by our government to pay the gambling debts of our banks. If they had been allowed to fail, as they should have been, the notion of not paying back bondholders wouldn’t be on the table. The debt isn’t our debt and we should not be asked to pay it.
Alan – where does the I.M.F. make its money for example – where is ait a registered company and to what government is it accountable -
Remember when we pay back the I.M.F we pay D.S.K.’s pension and the bills for the parties he ran ! I wonder what dates those parties were on and where the Irish Government jet was on the same date ?
We’ve had a dossier of tax evasion by politicians passed to the DPP and the Political Line is “move along – nothing to see here” – Bruton says it’s already been investigated via the tribunals………….we’ve always known that the tribunals were set up by the Uber Irish to protect themselves and their pals from the real legal system and courts – this is disgraceful whitewashing by Bruton……..and it’s only a matter of time before some journo discovers a small clause within the Irish Water Incorporation Documentation which exempts politicians from charges.
Alan O’ C the bond holders did not lend us money out of the goodness of there hearts, those same bond holders speculated in the Irish market because of its high returns and when it all came crashing down a weak FF government was strong armed into bailing out the banks as the Treshei letter proved this week, now our tax take is used to service this debt and we borrow money with interest to run the country. Sound Economic’s their . Burn the Bondholders
It’s a fair point
It would be a fair enough point if they called a election now not 18 months time .
United we stand 10 December
To be fair normal irish people are courteous to the contractors, this seems to be a problem with howiyas in dublin. Can’t compare them to normal irish people
It depends how you look at it. We tend as individuals to try to paint ourselves in the best possible light, another why to look at it would be that we are not courteous but repressed from years of Catholic teaching telling us how sinful it is to express yourself. And these howiwas are people in fact freely expressing their views. I always thought I was easy going and liberated etc till I spent a few years travelling the world then I realized how repressed an individual I was due to an Irish upbringing.I don’t need a politician to tell me how to think and act. We’ve replaced the church with another set of mind police.
Edmund.
Coolock, not Dublin, if you don’t mind. We’re not all like that.
Loop this is exactly what the government PR machine want people like Edmund to believe , because it’s Northside Dublin we are all criminal types , dissident republicans or just unemployed thugs with a gripe against the Garda and the State. P.S nothing wrong with saying “Howiya”
Edmund and looper, nice try but AGAIN no cigar for the time worn and shabby “divide and conquer ” routine. We are soooo bored with you and your ilk.
Nothing to do with divide and conquer sheik. I am a Dub but I won’t be associated with the fìĺth in Coolock who disgraced themselves last week.
Them “filth” in Coolock as you call them should be called by there proper name Loop. An Garda Siochana
Says a lot about a person when they condone they foul mouthed abuse that was directed at the Gardai last week.
I suppose loop could stand on the side lines and watch women pushed around and be told to “get a job” by Gardai who wish to antagonise the situation instead of defusing it. Here in Coolock we look after our own and will continue to do so, while your snobbery shines through with statements like ” it’s Coolock not Dublin” as if this could not happen in your area. I have news for you looper Coolock is one of the largest working class area’s in Dublin and we will not be pushed off our own streets by Garda, IW or any one else for that matter. You can point the finger all you like but we will win this battle for the sake of our families, community and country. Coolock Says No
WE ALREADY PAY. 1.2 B Euro every year since 1997 from 5% on motor tax and 2% on VAT.
What is the alternative to FG and Labour? Of course they will be back after the next election! Who would vote for FF after what they did to the country? Who would vote for SF after their past violence and their leader who is (at best) of doubtful principles! Polls are one thing – elections are always different!
Paddy Power has FF/FG or FF/FG plus independents as favourites for the next election. The current government if third favourite. FF/SF is next at 9/2. A majority led SF coalition is 50/1 and that would be with Labour and the Greens. No way SF are in government after the next election. Unless FF sell us all out, which is not beyond the bounds of possibility. But I don’t believe that FF could stomach being the less republican party in any Irish government.
The next government will almost certainly be one of the first three favourites listed by Mr. Power. Opposing water charges is one thing. Voting for economic meltdown is quite something else.
Alan – the swing vote that Fine Gael got in the last election swung a way a long long time ago – it’s reliable core is 14 to 15% at best and that is with only half the population voting – then you have Fianna fail – gone but not forgotten – the bookies can say what they want but the Ansbacher is going to bury them because the next generation of voters are not falling for the old mullarkey anymore !
Alan if SF get into government they will not have to do eff all the latest shower of shysters have done it all for them.
So by just giving a little back will suffice as long as the electorate sends this despicable FG/L crowd to oblivion.
Its called revenge!
Interesting to see how few agree with you. I assume you think I am “Mr Power”.
Alan, you frequently quote Paddy Power as some sort of Oracle :-D seriously, how desperate have you become that you tout the opinions of a bookmaker? Does it comfort you in some way?
Alan what odds did Paddy Power offer on the abolition of the Seanad?
The Blueshirts and the Soldiers of Destiny will join forces for sure.
Like bilge rats co-operating to survive a shipwreck, they will form the next government unless the 50% of the population who never vote, are sufficiently galvanized by the water taxes; the referendum refusal; and the prospect of seeing our water-the source of life itself-sold like coal or oil, to a foreign multinational.
Have to say I agree, the workers installing the meters are not the ones getting a bonus if they under perform! IW outsourced their dirty work to another company. When mine was being installed a few months ago I was chatting to the lads who had been out of work before this contract and delighted for the wage. I think it shocking and disgusting how people are treating these workers.
My anger is at the ministers who have approved IW and hired “their own” in management to get hefty bonuses if they do their job. The protestors should aim their angry at them!!!
No worker worth his salt would cross a picket or a peaceful protest by local residents and management get there bonuses whether a good or bad job is done.
paschal is spouting a load of rubbish
like the rest of his ilk liars and arselickers
they are on the way out now anyway
this[ fringe element ] drivel is them clutching at straws
http://collectivelyconscious.net/articles/why-iceland-should-be-in-the-news-but-is-not/
Ireland versus Iceland. Read this fascinating story.
During a similar debacle to that which occurred in Ireland,The Head of State, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, refused to ratify the law that would have made Iceland’s citizens responsible for its bankers’ debts, and accepted calls for a referendum.
(in Ireland we have been refused a referendum on water taxes-and no question whatsoever of having one on bankers debts!)
Of course the international community only increased the pressure on Iceland. Great Britain and Holland threatened dire reprisals that would isolate the country. As Icelanders went to vote, foreign bankers threatened to block any aid from the IMF. The British government threatened to freeze Icelander savings and checking accounts. As Grimsson said: “We were told that if we refused the international community’s conditions, we would become the Cuba of the North. But if we had accepted, we would have become the Haiti of the North.” (How many times have I written that when Cubans see the dire state of their neighbor, Haiti, they count themselves lucky.)
In the March 2010 referendum, 93% voted against repayment of the debt. The IMF immediately froze its loan. But the revolution (though not televised in the United States), would not be intimidated. With the support of a furious citizenry, the government launched civil and penal investigations into those responsible for the financial crisis. Interpol put out an international arrest warrant for the ex-president of Kaupthing, Sigurdur Einarsson, as the other bankers implicated in the crash fled the country.
But Icelanders didn’t stop there: they decided to draft a new constitution that would free the country from the exaggerated power of international finance and virtual money. (The one in use had been written when Iceland gained its independence from Denmark, in 1918, the only difference with the Danish constitution being that the word ‘president’ replaced the word ‘king’.)
To write the new constitution, the people of Iceland elected twenty-five citizens from among 522 adults not belonging to any political party but recommended by at least thirty citizens. This document was not the work of a handful of politicians, but was written on the internet. The constituent’s meetings are streamed on-line, and citizens can send their comments and suggestions, witnessing the document as it takes shape. The constitution that eventually emerges from this participatory democratic process will be submitted to parliament for approval after the next elections.
We want you gone Donohue, gone gone gone-and your meters with you.!
I still haven’t heard of any arrests for threats or assault of gardai who used pepper spray on protesters…. Surely they would have been arrested and brought before the courts for such a serious crime
Surely by now we would have seen at least one shred of evidence to all these attacks etc, IRA infiltrators. Where is it? whether you agree with the rise of the people or not everyone should be concerned at the levels of propaganda and lies being used by a Government who are supposed to represent the people.
Why is the Transport Minister pretending to be Jesus and asking to be crucified for the sins of the masses? More importantly, who asked him to and as Transport Minister what does he have to do with any of this? But how disingenuously noble of him to offer to sacrifice himself for the poor auld Irish Water workers who he claims are being abused daily. You have to love the fact the government is now trying to look like a victim here in efforts to stop protests. You also have to love when a man like this offers himself up to be the next Jesus Christ for Irish Water.
Now let me get this right, people should take their anger out at the Government through the Ballot Box and that will happen. Now and me this what would have happened if the men and women of Ireland left it to the Ballot Box in 1916? It was ok for them to be angry then and do something about it by whatever means possible but not for Irish people now. How dare Paschal Donohue and his colleagues treat the all ready hard pressed Irish people with such lack of respect. Enough is enough
mininster cop on to urself, we have every right to protest, But we do not like u and ur gov bullying the people.As you well know,and i hope u are listeing to this ,the garda took an oath to protect the people not to use voilence against them.get ur facts straight,we did not give u a manadate, or a contract, or anything else.this gov has broken every promise they made just to get back into gov.
Anti-Irish water protesters.
What does that mean?
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