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    Mute Alan Phillips
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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:33 AM

    I guess the officer needs to see a behavioural therapist!!

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    Mute Tony Skillington
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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:36 AM

    The cop didn’t know why he shot him?? And this guy is allowed carry a gun?

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:51 AM

    It was easier to say he did not know than to admit that he was racist in his motivation.

    The defence case of accidental gun discharge is now being constructed.

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    Mute Billy Mooney
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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:04 AM

    It’s notable that the police shot the black man with his hands in the air while the autistic man handling a toy truck wasn’t shot. If the autistic patient was black, would he have been shot also?
    Or maybe the cops would have just called in the National Guard to deal with such a hazardous situation.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:18 AM

    ” I dont know ” its pretty obvious when a grown man professional in his job does something without knowing why he did it. Its called conditioning and its rife in the police force. The hunt as the police call it dictates you shoot the animal even when its in a non threatening or combative pose. The civil war/ race war is on the way . Too many guns too much injustice too much cultural historic racism . US a culture steeped in violence domestically and internationally. All their liberal visionary leaders assassinated . Sure even John Lennon was killed there for preaching peace. Madhouse.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:20 AM

    Oh and dont let IDF attack dog soldiers train a civil police force that would also help.

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    Mute Billy Mooney
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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:25 AM

    Well said. It’s a class war though as well as a racial one. The primary role of the police is to enforce the will of the state on civil society. Much of the U.S. is now akin to an empire with an obscenely wealthy and powerful oligarchy ruling over a shrinking and increasingly desperate middle class and a huge underclass living in crushing poverty in the richest nation in the history of the planet. (Much of the underclass is of course black and hispanic) In this scenario an increasingly aggressive and violent police force is required to control the majority working class and this epidemic of police killings of civilians are a reflection of a dysfunctional and crumbling society. It will only get worse under a Clinton or Trump presidency.

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:44 AM

    Billy, excellent comment.

    Notice the highly deferential and unduly respectful use of “Sir” when addressing the police officer.

    When I lived in the US for 18 months, I was struck by the obsequious tone and manner in which all black people addressed the police. I was puzzled by this. The explanation I received were that failure to show extreme respect to a police officer was physically dangerous. It becomes automatic. When Inasked if I needed to use “Sir” it provoked great amusement. I was asked if I thought that I was black.

    Laws and law enforcement are primarily about the control of civic society for the benefit of the super wealthy.

    As Adam Smith said, politics is the dark shadow cast by wealth people over the populace. Laws are the normative controls imposed by the super wealthy on the rest of us.

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    Mute Jed I. Knight
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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:58 AM

    It’s indicative of American society that a man, particularly a black man, seeing an armed police officer approaching him knows he is in mortal danger of possibly being shot and killed so he immediately lies down with his arms extended. He is shot anyway.
    Charles Kinsey recognised that the person presenting the danger to him, a cop, may shoot him for absolutely no reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, it also probably didn’t help that he is black. And still the American’s maintain that it’s police force can be trusted, that they are there to “protect and serve”, personally I think if I was living there, I’d tell my kids to run like the hammers of hell if they see a cop.

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:07 AM

    They would be shot in the back while running away, suspected of holding an object similar to a gun. I saw a recording of a black victim, unarmed, running away in a park from a police officer who continued to shoot him in the back until he died of multiple bullet wounds.

    The best survival mechanism if you are black is to adopt a position of respectful silence and display your hands as the black suspect did in this case. You may be shot anyway but there is a possibility that if shot, you will only be shot once and may even receive medical attention before you bleed out.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:28 AM

    That poor student with autism must have been terrified too …

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:02 PM

    Tony, he shot him because he was African American and that is the point of the story, no one else got shot, why is that?
    Is cops only conditioned to shoot because of skin colour, there is a reason for it but what is it?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 3:14 PM

    Hear hear Wally. What they need to do is abolish the police and replace them with a Workers and Peasants Militia. You know, the sort of thing that they had in the socialist states of Eastern Europe (before the workers and peasants decided they didn’t like socialism and went with capitalism), and still have in the likes of North Korea. Everybody’d be better off.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 6:10 PM

    No, just an ordinary police force along the lines of countries that are not brutal police states like the US – plenty of models to choose from out there!

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    Jul 21st 2016, 7:21 PM

    Does he treat gunshot wounds?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:24 AM

    This is beyond a joke at this stage.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:55 AM

    Hi Keith!

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:05 AM

    Most of the police in the States have been trained by Israeli security services in the last 10 years, shows the mentality they are treating their citizens with, throw in the fact that most are army veterans who are straight out of combat areas and you have a recipe for disaster.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:49 AM

    That’s quite true, a few do travel to Israel for counter-terrorism training. I would love to see if any of those Israeli trained police have ever shot and killed an unarmed black man and would like to see if those police that did shoot unarmed black men – were they trained in Israel?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:52 AM

    If they were trained by Israeli police they would be far more able to deal with a situation without panicking and going for the gun immediately.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:05 PM

    Dave the Israeli army now carry knifes with them, so when the kill a Palestinian they then throw the knife beside the dead body and that is the so called evidence that gets them off a murder charge. Because all they have to say then is the youth went for them with a knife?
    If the cops were trained by them they they would have been taught better ways at making excuses, just a thought?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:38 PM

    Yeah, I’m not defending the Israeli army I’m just saying that they are skilled in hand to hand combat and don’t panic.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:25 PM

    Alois, how can you tell the difference between a Palestinian trying to stab Jews and an Israeli officer planting evidence beside a body?

    Do you have some sort of evidence to make this distinction? Maybe you think it impossible that there would be people who want to stab Jews?

    (I’m not saying weapons weren’t or can’t be planted, but you need evidence for that claim…)

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:32 PM
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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:33 PM

    In fairness, there is no evidence to support any hypothesis that the Israelis are responsible for US police officers killing or seriously injuring black victims by shooting them.

    The more obvious factors are a combination of racism and the raised stakes of a highly armed civil population.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:53 PM

    Alois, the first link is subscriber only, and the second link contains a video of little value.

    A knife being kicked towards a body on video is not enough evidence to conclude weapons are being planted on attackers. The knife could’ve easily been dropped during the attack and the blood trail leads directly to the knife.

    Not trying to be an apologist, but I don’t think anyone really takes that kind of stuff very seriously.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 3:15 PM

    That is just a lie you have made about Israel
    Why does HAMAS celebrate people who murder Jews if they don’t send them out
    Do you think the French army staged the Nice attack?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 3:18 PM

    Alois knows this because he used to be in the Israeli Army and he saw it happen. ‘I was theeere, maaaan…’

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:56 PM

    Malachi, here you go…
    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/israeli-forces-must-end-pattern-of-unlawful-killings-in-west-bank/
    Even if Haaretz can mention it them something worse is happening?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:03 PM

    I am not against Israel, only their government policies…

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:09 AM

    wouldnt have happened if the behavioural therapist had had a gun

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    Mute Billy Mooney
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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:20 AM

    Spot on Fluffer. The U.S. should also look at maybe issuing handcuffs to black and poor people so that they can restrain themselves when they see any police officer approaching to prevent regrettable incidents like this.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:23 AM

    Incidents where the victim is not black also happen and all incidents should be reported.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:34 AM

    Sadly, it is a reality that such incidents are much more likely to happen in the case of black victims. There is an unconscious but highly insidious racism at work.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:40 AM

    Or was white..

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:53 AM

    Actually not true Michael, more white people were killed by rogue cops in America last year than black people, its only the cases of the black person that are highlighted for some reason.
    Figures show that police killings in America stand at on average 3 per day or about 1000 per year, with it being an average of 2 whites to 1 black killed. Of the 1000 people killed, two thirds of them were white, 20% of them were armed while the 1 third of blacks killed only 15% were armed. For some reason the America media and facebook want us to think only #blacklivesmatter when in fact all lives do.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:58 AM

    Oh dear. You’re using Milo statistics. You’ve been conned my friend. Happy to have been conned too I’m guessing.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:08 AM

    Boeing Lover, you know that your figures are false.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:49 AM

    Not only are they false they are also unwilling to acknowledge that 67% of the population are white. The disparity is in the percentage per demographic not the numbers as a whole

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:00 PM

    Dave, precisely.

    Of course, we see effort to spin the reality and a total unwillingness to confront the reality that there is a racist element involved in the killing of black suspects, who are perceived as generally a greater threat than members of other races, instead of a situational specific risk assessment, devoid of generalisation.

    The consequence is that disturbed and volatile members of the black community, some with previous military training, are provoked into reprisals. Non one gains and every one loses. A zero sum game.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:57 PM

    Though it’s dishonest to say “oh more white people get shot by cops therefore no racism lol”, it’s also disingenuous to conveniently leave out the crime statistics when addressing how often black people are shot by police.

    This has been repeatedly pointed out, yet the narrative seems to be ‘black people are being shot in disproportionate numbers by police for no reason’. However, I would say that higher levels of crime (especially violent crime towards police) from black people is the reason they are disproportionately affected.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:03 PM

    But you’re ignoring the disproportionate use of lethal force Malachi. Where the statistics truly get interesting is when you look at the number of UNARMED people shot by police. That’s where you REALLY see the statistics start to skew, with the numbers of unarmed black people shot by police infinitely higher than the number of white people.

    And your argument about more black people being involved in violent confrontations with the police seems to be based on nothing but your own personal supposition regarding black people.

    More attacks against police are carried out by white people than black, in fact white people are now involved in more organised, violent, and drug related crime than any other group in the US.

    By your own logic, what we should be seeing is a disproportionately high statistic for unarmed white people shot by police, but we don’t. What could the reason possibly be? Could it be the R word you jump on every article like this to adamantly argue doesn’t exist or isn’t connected to these shootings at all?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:16 PM

    Malachi, how many of the disproportionate number of crimes are down to the disproportionate number of stop and frisks performed on minorities for no reason?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:20 PM

    Bryan, you’ve used the exact same dishonest statistical analysis that has been complained about in this thread, just in reverse.

    Of course more white people are involved in violent crime, there are far more white people in the country! This isn’t hard, and it doesn’t take a degree in statistics to understand. I’m beginning to think you understand this perfectly yet refuse to acknowledge it.

    The point is that black people are disproportionately likely to be shot by police, armed, unarmed. They are also disproportionately likely to be involved in violent crime towards police (I didn’t make this up as you seem to be claiming, look at any stats database for police shootings – it’s right there!).

    So you have a section of the population more likely to be violent towards cops than they should be and that same section more likely to be shot by cops than they should be. I don’t see the argument for racism there, do you?

    As for unarmed shootings, I’d encourage you to actually research what’s recorded as ‘unarmed’. If you look at the cases individually, the majority involve the victim of the shooting being shot after violently resisting arrest, even in some cases using a car as a weapon to try and kill police is recorded as a shooting of an “unarmed” person. It’s not as straightforward as you’d think.

    The number of unjustified killings of unarmed black people is small relative to overall police shootings and is weak evidence of systemic racism in the police force.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:28 PM

    Dave, I’m not sure, that’s irrelevant anyway when you’re talking about violent crime isn’t it? I was talking about violent crime specifically.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 6:13 PM

    @Malachi

    You’re just spouting nonsensical rhetoric at this point. I could barely figure out that last comment, you were all over the place. Though I can’t blame you since the more and more this happens the more untenable your stance is. You’ve been on EVERY single one of these articles looking for a way to argue that there’s no way it could be because of racism. Why are you so adamant it’s not? Why are you so determined to aver that centuries of legal, institutionalised racism in the US and especially in the police has just mysteriously vanished now in 2016 when the KKK is experiencing a resurgence? Examine your motivations pal.

    All statistical studies I look at are proportional, I don’t look at them otherwise. The entire justice system from judges to police in the US is plagued by racism but you wanna nit pick over what’s classified as unarmed?

    Nixon’s former advisor 100% admitted the war on drugs was made up to target black people. Officers, Chiefs of police, and even judges have been revealed as active members of the KKK last year, police in Miami (same place as this shooting) used mugshots of real black criminals for target practice in violation of all policies, and just recently an NYPD whistleblower released a recording of his boss telling him to do more traffic stops of black people as a matter of policy

    Why are you so determined to ignore the painfully obvious? Like I said, examine your motives.

    The other police apologists had the sense to leave this article.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 6:25 PM

    That comment contained precisely zero refutations of the statistical points I outlined in my reply. Why is that? I wonder.

    I honestly couldn’t care for a rant about the history of racism in the US, you seem to have run out of substance and have now resorted to ‘Well if they were really racist in the past that must mean they’re still quite racist now, damn what the statistics say!’.

    I’m not a police apologist, I support stricter training and requirements for police service, far better community engagement rather than the broken-windowesque stuff they’re at now, and I fully support body cameras and generally better citizen oversight of US police so that they aren’t allowed to get away with unjust incidents.

    Further than that as I’ve outlined on this article I’ve said that there is a massive problem with the system when it comes to the indictment of police officers who are clearly in the wrong.

    So, a police apologist? Pull the other one. What I reject is this notion that there is some sort of organised or widespread racist bias in unjustified police shootings. As I have already explained, the statistics and incident reports clearly show that it is more an issue of trigger happy cops in general than some specifically racial issue.

    I’d like a refutation of the statistical points outlined in my previous comment, otherwise I have no intention of listening to accusations of apologia for the US police force and a history lesson on systemic racism in the US. Thanks but no thanks

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    Jul 21st 2016, 7:18 PM

    I refute the fact that you only meant violent crime. Why? Because you said “crime (especially violent crime)” also, still no source

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:37 PM

    Good job the autistic guy wasn’t black, they would have riddled him.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:29 PM

    @Malachi

    I’d refute your statistical facts if you provided sources from them. I’ve a suspicion the places they came from start with “Storm” or “Milo”.

    I can track down all of the statistics I’ve researched over the years, but I really couldn’t be arsed with someone as wilfully obtuse and ignorant as yourself. You’ve made the outlandish claim that in the face of all rational common sense and historical precedence, racism plays no part in these repeated killings of unarmed black people.

    The burden of proof is on you old buddy old pal. Provide said proof and I will be tap dancing and spitting all over it with credible sources to refute it.

    P.S: Another myopic “the past is the past” moron? Why am I not surprised? If you’re incapable of understanding the concept of perpetuated history, then you’re a lost cause.

    P.P.S: You’re a police apologist when I’ve seen you on articles giving justifications for why an unarmed man was shot in the back…or choked to death…or shot four times while complying with all officers’ requests. When you do that I don’t care if you throw in a hand-wringing “Ummmm…they need better training” addendum at the end.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:37 AM

    Genuine question: Why is there a need to handcuff the guy after they see that he is unarmed, obeying commands and not caused offence? Similar situation with that woman a couple weeks back where her boyfriend got shot beside her in the car. She was handcuffed and detained.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:54 AM

    Because it looks better if he is at least seen as a criminal. Same thing happened with the girlfriend of the guy shot in his car, she was handcuffed and took a ride in the back of a squad car too

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:55 AM

    Welcome to police state America

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:56 AM

    Exactly. It’s plausible that it was a negligent (accidental) discharge by an incompetent and trigger-happy cop that led to the shooting, but there’s absolutely zero justification for handcuffing him after the event. I’m sure if he sues (which he certainly should) it’ll be a relatively straightforward case.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:10 AM

    That’s what I don’t get, as soon as they realise he’s unarmed why aren’t they putting him in the back of a squad car and turning on the sirens rushing him to a hospital?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:27 AM

    Because the cops can’t risk their gun being taken

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:31 AM

    Eh, I said in the back of the car. Cops ride in front. Also this cop should have their gun taken

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:35 AM

    Had the black victim not been handcuffed, he would have been executed. Handcuffs or execution.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:39 AM

    Along the lines of :

    ‘Sir/Ma’am i’m going to handcuff you now, this is for your safety and my safety, you’re not under arrest as of yet, it’s for safety only’

    Yet the poor dude was shot already, his safety was compromised from the getgo

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:01 AM

    …because they are collectively insane

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:42 AM

    American cops…a perfect example of why we don’t need to arm the gardai

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:31 AM

    Sorry Jimmy but I can’t agree with you. There are lots of armed police forces in the world that don’t have the reputation of the US police force. Look at Australia – you don’t see articles about them shooting people every second day. They don’t have the same gun culture in their society either. Arming our gardai does not mean we go down the American route. There are lots of other good models we could emulate.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:33 AM

    We do have armed gardai. I’ve seen them now and then quite regularly. We’re just lucky that we don’t have a population the size of the US and a constitution that allows us all to be armed. It’s shocking people wonder why these cops are always on the edge and firing on people.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:40 AM

    It is the apprehension naturally felt by the police when dealing with a heavily armed civilian population in a gun culture society, combined with a police phobia for black people.

    Many law abiding civilian black people don’t carry legally held guns because of the risk factor of being shot by a police officer.

    If the civilian population was not armed, then the police officers would likely be less trigger happy.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:06 AM

    BUT> factoring in black on black murder, you know that police killing is very small. Black ppl are in far more danger from other blacks. Still, the police need to be held to the highest standard of respect for the general public they are sworn to protect.

    Oh and did they swear to protect themselves? Go on, guess.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:14 AM

    There is a distinction between crimes resulting from social deprivation in very poor areas in the US and little or no prospect of legal escape from unrelenting poverty, on the one hand, and the cold blooded shooting of black suspects by lawfully appointed police officers with official State authority, on the other hand.

    It is important that US police officers conduct themselves to a higher standard than gangsters because moral authority and legitimacy are as important as legal authority and legitimacy in preserving respect and loyalty from the entire community. Trust in the police is a hallmark of a civilised society. Such trust must be earned.

    It is counter productive of police to shoot unarmed black civilians because it only provokes reprisals.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:06 PM

    Why would you factor citizens killing citizens into a case where a police officer shot an unarmed fully compliant citizen? The reason police have the focus on them now is because things like this keep happening http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5761beace4b09c926cfe1477

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:31 PM

    The case of civilians killing civilians is raised as a distraction from police officer executions of black civilians.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:37 AM

    These phone videos will hopefully help to change the laws, that currently allows ‘rogue’ police officers shoot innocent unarmed people …

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:39 AM

    No such law exists. Using unreasonable force is illegal even if you’re a police officer.

    But of course you have prosecutors who are reluctant to charge, and juries who are reluctant to convict. And most of all, you have a police force who NEVER stand up to the bad guys if they’re wearing a badge, no matter what they’ve done.

    This is what a police state looks like. You don’t need laws to create it.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:03 PM

    Ben, all that’s necessary from an officers point of view is to say they were afraid for their life, then shoot to kill is justified

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:12 PM

    Ben

    Chapter 563 of the Missouri Revised Statutes?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:37 PM

    There are three decisions of the US Supreme Court, the effect of which is to give a very wide latitude to police officers in the decision to shoot suspects.

    A common ground of defence is that the suspect was fleeing, was not a risk to the pursuing police officer but that the police officer had formed the assessment of a potential future risk to others from a possibly armed fugitive.

    There are easily available articles which analyse the three cases.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:37 AM

    It’s getting to a stage of shoot first and ask questions later, ridiculous!!

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:54 AM

    It’s way past that stage

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:18 AM

    The sad thing is even if they introduce proper gun controls in America it will be generations before the situation improves. Both in respect of the amount of guns in circulation the mentality of the police and ordinary citizens.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:30 AM

    Sadly you’re right but it will improve eventually. It’s only going to get much worse if it remains the same.
    If they introduced massive fines/ incarceration for unlicenced firearms coupled with strict gun ownership and a cash incentive for disposing of weapons then it’ll improve much quicker.
    It would help if Hollywood stopped glamourising guns too.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:52 AM

    Didn’t take generations in Australia.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:21 AM

    The gun control battle was well and truly lost after sandy hook, once America decided that the murder of children was an unfortunate but bearable consequence of their 2nd amendment.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:24 AM

    True Dave but it’s a very different gun culture unfortunately.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:29 AM

    It’s all about how you start off with the new law. Australia offered gun drop offs. Hand in your gun no questions asked

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:01 AM

    I see your point Dave but the mindset around guns is completely different in the US. There would be a huge cultural resistance to change that wasn’t there in Australia. A gun amnesty would get a lot of guns off the streets but it would be a long time before the cops would stop assuming that everyone they stop has a gun, so the circle of violence would continue. I agree though it’s the place to start, needs to happen as soon as possible. It’s just sad that it’s taking so long.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:51 AM

    I agree. There’s absolutely no progress being made. They can’t even agree that a person on a terrorist watch list can’t buy a gun! Its insane

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    Jul 21st 2016, 2:00 PM

    The NRA have backed themselves into a hole to the point where they have become an ally to terrorists who are trying to get guns to shoot US civilians.

    How ironic. The NRA want to protect themselves so much that they end up making it easier to get people killed via terrorism.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:18 PM

    Did you know that to get a costume of the NRA mascot you have to go through a background check and a waiting period and be a member of law enforcement or endorsed by a member of law enforcement? Obviously there’s no irony filter at the NRA

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:13 AM

    This wouldn’t have happened if everyone had more guns, lads.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:14 AM

    Ah Fluffer – great minds think alike. I probably wouldn’t have posted the same comment as you if I had a gun…

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:20 AM

    The lad with autism should have had a gun. They really need to replace all toy trucks in group homes with guns

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:31 AM

    replace people with guns?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:56 AM

    seen reservoir dogs/ the good the bad and the ugly? Fighting off a policeman with a gun gives you very poor longterm odds

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:01 PM

    John, these were films.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:56 PM

    ‘the good the bad and the ugly’ …hahaha

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:36 AM

    Badly trained police officers in the USA, what can you expect?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:32 AM

    Far more than bad training at work here.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:35 AM

    Therapists lives matter

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:59 AM

    It seems that the real problem here was the toy truck…maybe they should ban them as they did Kinder Eggs…you never see anyone shot in the USA over an incident involving a Kinder Egg!

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:47 AM

    “Sir, why did you shoot me?”

    It was because he’s black. Why did he even need to ask? Doesn’t he watch the news?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:52 AM

    Likely, it was a rhetorical question from a shocked victim.

    The only surprise is that the victim was not executed on the spot.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:44 AM

    Wouldn’t have happened either if the therapist was white, simple as.

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    Mute Micheal OLainn
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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:31 AM

    That’s the reality, a very sad reality. To many white police officers all members of the black community are a potential threat.

    Racism is not voluntary. The police are ordinary individuals infected with the same racism which afflicts US society and will continue to afflict US society.

    Add guns and you get trigger happy police who almost always receive the benefit of the doubt in the unlikely event of prosecution.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:59 AM

    That’s the thing though, it’s not just white police officers.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:55 AM

    Racism and prejudice against black suspects can afflict black police officers who often take their value system from the police force of which they are members.

    There have actually been instances of black police officers using racist language against black suspects. Racism is highly insidious.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:26 AM

    According to Jason Culligan, the Journal’s leading expert on guns and military topics, police only shoot to kill, not to incapacitate or to disable. There seems to have been a breach of protocol in that the unarmed black man was not executed.

    According to the logic of the NRA, had the black civilian been armed, he could have defended himself and killed the police officer

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:01 AM

    I have been wondering whether it was an accidental discharge or bad aim. In all fairness it was probably accidental discharge. I found it hard to tell when looking at the phone footage where the police are and what angle they shot from though

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:51 AM

    Had it been an accidental discharge, the instinctive response from the police officer in response to the question from the victim would have been “the gun went off”, using a distancing style of language.

    The shot was accurate in that it struck the victim. That suggests intent.

    The only circumstance which allows for the possibility of an accidental discharge is the evident lack of follow through from the police officer in seeking to execute the black victim, as would usually be the case when shooting a black suspect.

    I can understand an accidental discharge in the case of a civilian but not in the case of a supposedly trained police officer accustomed to weapons training and mandatory updates in training.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:05 PM

    Again, I’m not justifying it. I’m just saying it’s very rare that a cop will deliberately fire and hit a leg of a stationary target

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:22 PM

    I agree. Our resident expert, Jason Culligan, will confirm that a torso shot provides a better chance of rupturing major blood vessels and of major organs, producing the maximum level of lethality. The objective is always to kill.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:40 PM

    I think he’s off reading Breitbart for answers

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:34 AM

    Ah come on, I was really looking forward to all the semi-veiled rascists and gun enthusiasts defend this one.

    I know this is a tough one lads. But the NRA really need you now! Where are you all?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:48 AM

    Jason Culligan is working out his responses, a detailed technical dissertation on the gun used, the finger pressure required to shoot, accuracy, trajectories, velocity, wind conditions and the detail lovingly explained.

    Who knows, we may even get the argument that the unarmed black therapist short himself in an act of self hatred.

    Had there been an accidental gun discharge, unlikely in the case of a trained police officer, the instinctive reaction of the police would have been to say that the gun just went off.

    The therapist is very lucky that he was not shot again for asking the question as to why he was shot in the first place. Total passivity and silence is recommended if you are black.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 2:58 PM

    Yeah where’s Jason to tell us that this is actually OK and something that we shouldn’t be worrying about? I’m sure he has a really good reason why this wouldn’t have happened if there’d been more guns involved.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:54 AM

    Its not toy trucks that kill people its people that kill people

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:10 AM

    Mustn’t have been a white officer otherwise they would have said it.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:19 AM

    Mustn’t have watched the video otherwise you would have seen it

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:27 AM

    @ life
    I stand corrected, too eager to get in with an early comment.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:59 AM

    The dyslexic cop thought he was “the rapist!”

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:23 AM

    Yep, the world needs more guns.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:04 AM

    If Mr Trump gets into power they won’t even get the chance to put their hands up.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:18 AM

    There are plenty of other countries that have armed police forces that don’t have the same shoot/kill rate.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:48 AM

    The sad fact of the matter is that they know that they will get away with it the majority of the time, as rarely will they even be indicted for shooting an unarmed person, and on the rare occasion that they are indicted, most juries will not convict as they are sympathetic towards Police Officers. I urge anyone interested on this whole topic to read this excellent article in the Washington Post entitled ‘Thousands dead, few prosecuted’.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2015/04/11/thousands-dead-few-prosecuted/

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    Jul 21st 2016, 2:29 PM

    Yes, and this is a problem regardless of the race of the victim. There’s a massive issue with the way in which police are shielded by their colleagues unjustly in such a way that they can get away with (literally, in some cases) murder.

    There needs to be a more objective way of dealing with cops who cross the line.

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    Jul 22nd 2016, 1:05 AM

    The obdurate denial of racism, where it exists, may well be due to racism.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:59 PM

    The United States of Racists strikes again

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:14 AM

    Police officers impulse control must be at zero……or else the gun went off accidentally. It happens. Crazy though.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 3:21 PM

    There’s a couple pounds of pressure required to pull a trigger and due to a spate of ‘accidentally firings’ some decade or so ago most police issue handguns have a higher trigger pressure required to discharge the gun to avoid gittery trigger fingers so it’s hard to argue for this when the officer clearly wasn’t in any danger from the guy complying on the ground with his hands clearly in the air. His finger shouldn’t even have been trigger. Either gross incompetence or intent was involved here.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:10 AM

    Worth noting most think Gardai aren’t armed but a lot are. Not exact in figures but a good percentage are i. e. armed response, detectuves, plain clothes ones etc. yet we don’t see incidents like this here because Ireland unlike America isn’t constantly living in fear and what better way to deal with fear and confusion than throwing right to bear firearms into the mix.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:37 AM

    All the ones you listed would only be called out for specific reasons. The Gardaí that deal with the public on a day to day basis are not armed.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:30 AM

    And rightly so what was the therapist at ? A more level minded baby cop who grew up on a play station playing Black ops every night would of blasted him to Iraq !

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:41 AM

    What are you on about?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:03 AM

    No flies on you….

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:46 AM

    @Patrick O’Shea, whatever you’re smoking, I’d recommend you stop it

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:17 AM

    Well its not as gruesome as beheading a 12 year old. I wonder which is worse evil or stupidity?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:10 PM

    Well as long as he didn’t behead him I guess we can just give him a pass

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:19 AM

    In Connecticut they will not employ police recruits who have an IQ over 105 as they believe that they could not stand the mundane stuff. But if you give a gun to a person who has an IQ of 105 and put them under pressure then they do not have the mental capacity to act rationally, panic and innocent people die. The worst part is that the policeman who eventually progresses to become the police chief only has an IQ of 105

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:25 AM

    Paul prove that statement about the IQ.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:30 AM

    IQ of 105. Is that brainy or dumb?

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:38 AM

    brumb

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:59 AM

    Sean, Google it,it went to federal court and everything

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:12 AM

    Bollix. IQ, an unreliable evaluation in any event, is no measure of how a person will react to pressure, danger or stress.
    The thing that I find strange is that the guy who was shot called the policeman ‘Sir’. I know that Americans use the word differently from us, as a general form of polite address, but I think an Irishman would have called him a fecker, at least.
    Same thing with Castilo’s girlfriend, calling the policeman who had just murdered him ‘Sir’. Very calm and polite of her but perhaps a bit more verbal anger from citizens would be useful learning tool.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:48 AM

    @Patrick, A bit more verbal anger towards the police could get them killed at an even higher rate as well

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:48 AM
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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:02 AM

    The use of “Sir” is part of the culture of life preserving obsequity and passivity required of black Americans, in particular, in dealing with police officers and is often insisted upon by police officers. Not to use Sir, if you are a black American can be interpreted as insolence. The more official mode of address is “Officer”.

    When I asked some black friends if I should use the expression ” Sir” , they were greatly amused and thought that I was being intentionally funny. One of them asked me if I thought that I was black. I was reminded again of the naivety of my question on the occasion of a going away party.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 2:05 PM

    An IQ of 105 isn’t bad… it certainly isn’t at the point where you are unable to properly use a firearm.

    It’s above average, if I’m not mistaken the global average IQ is in the 90-100 range.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:01 PM

    Oh thank God. I read 122 on a breathalyser test about 20 years ago . Just tried it on a home kit- not driving may I add.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:23 PM

    Yes but Malachi 105 is the maximum allowed. They rejected a guy with an iq of 120 based solely in his iq

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    Jul 21st 2016, 5:29 PM

    Yeah that’s silly and I wasn’t defending it, it’s just the implication above was that 105 made you unfit to serve or something

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    Jul 21st 2016, 7:23 PM

    I get that, silly is a bit of an understatement though

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    Jul 21st 2016, 8:59 AM

    Cops Carrying that loaded gun around for years and not getting a chance to use it can be so frustrating. Any excuse will do to fire off a few rounds, THE black man that got shot He did have a gun, OK so it was plastic, Unfortunate,

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:41 AM

    All down to the training the police get. It’s training in ‘law enforcement’ rather than policing. The colour of the cop is irrelevant. They all act according to the same training.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 3:35 PM

    The American police forces are really out of control. They are judge jury and executioner.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 11:19 AM

    Maybe the cop thought it was Trump

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    Jul 21st 2016, 1:27 PM

    maybe, the cop is a Trump supporter. Maybe, the cop is a racist. Maybe the cop has an as yet undiagnosed neurological disorder causing the trigger finger muscle spasm. Maybe none of this. Maybe you are wrong.

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:16 AM

    ‘You have a truck…- please..step out of the vehice’

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    Jul 21st 2016, 10:16 AM

    ‘vehicle’

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    Jul 21st 2016, 9:19 AM

    Spiderman??

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    Jul 21st 2016, 12:01 PM

    don’t they have Tasers out there?

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